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Objectively speaking, AZ is the better job. If the money is outrageous, maybe he considers it, but I don’t see him leaving for Austin.

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The Nike money will remain a benefit for Oregon in this new era of recruiting.

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Arizona was a huge mess a year ago, after a few years of serious damage from the FBI/NCAA nightmare, a chosen scapegoat for the sports media, especially ESPN, which like it or not is a primary sports media entity. The Arizona brand was severely damaged. So, while Arizona is a top-tier program histor...

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Alieberman wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:42 pm There is a very real possibility that Gonzaga and Arizona finish 1-2 in the regular season

What does that say about Mark Few and Tommy Lloyd?

Crazy

At the very least, Few can now boast of establishing a viable coaching tree to add to his resume.

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There is a very real possibility that Gonzaga and Arizona finish 1-2 in the regular season What does that say about Mark Few and Tommy Lloyd? Crazy And Lloyd took over a dumpster fire and has changed the culture and direction of the program overnight. One of the most impressive coaching jobs in rec...

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There is a very real possibility that Gonzaga and Arizona finish 1-2 in the regular season What does that say about Mark Few and Tommy Lloyd? Crazy That Lute Olson's system is the greatest of all time. facts - Gonzaga copied Arizona and Lute Olson in every single way Exactly, that is why this year’...

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Now that Tommy is winning in impressive fashion and has AZ in the top ten, one suspects recruits will start strongly revisiting AZ as a destination. There is still the question of sanctions, but it is unlikely AZ gets a second year post-season ban.

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I don't know what Tommy is doing to make us so good, but I am so thankful he's ours. No wonder Gonzaga was so high on him. Good point. It isn't surprising he allegedly already had a deal in place to be the next head coach there -- Gonzaga and Few clearly knew what they had. And after seeing the AZ ...

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The one thing that we can compare directly between Miller and Lloyd is style of play. Without a doubt Lloyd's style of play is much more enjoyable to watch. Although, winning is also fun and I will give Miller credit for doing that often. Agreed. While I was watching the game, I was thinking that I...

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Yeah, that was the best Arizona Basketball has looked in a very long time. Hopefully some recruits/prospects start taking notice.

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This is a key year. If Tommy has success (not championship contending success, but shows he can coach and win games), it will stabilize some of the unknowns in terms of perception from a recruiting standpoint, and should open the door to Arizona caliber players once again committing to the program.

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2) Completely agree with this and I hope we all can rest on this whether we like it or not. Yeah, we took a step back losing Miller. No, we don't know what the long-term future will hold. But this is our guy for the next few seasons and there's no sense in getting worked up, looking backwards, or e...

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2) Completely agree with this and I hope we all can rest on this whether we like it or not. Yeah, we took a step back losing Miller. No, we don't know what the long-term future will hold. But this is our guy for the next few seasons and there's no sense in getting worked up, looking backwards, or e...

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Growing up in North Carolina and having zero rooting interest for either I was always a bit more impressed with Dean Smith's UNC program. It just felt like they were in the Final Four every year and what they ended up putting in the NBA was damn impressive. He didn't coach quite as long at UNC as K...

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Growing up in North Carolina and having zero rooting interest for either I was always a bit more impressed with Dean Smith's UNC program. It just felt like they were in the Final Four every year and what they ended up putting in the NBA was damn impressive. He didn't coach quite as long at UNC as K...

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Chi, I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you don't consider K to be the greatest coach of all time. Where would he rank? Top 5? Lower? He’s #1 in my list of sanctimonious pricks. But if you had to take the question seriously? He’s probably Top 15. I have to grade him on a sliding scale since he’s...

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I would rather have Tommy Lloyd than Scheyer, but that's just me. Both guys clearly played big roles as associate head coaches and lead recruiters, but it is interesting that Duke is also going with a guy with no head coaching experience. Scheyer will have an easier road because the Duke program is...

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Too early to tell. The guy just got the job and tried to reel in a couple of players at the 11th hour that AZ was never in play for, and came very close to landing Tyty. The biggest recruiting task he had was keeping a handful of key players committed to AZ for next year, when they entered or were c...

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BeardownZonaZona wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 3:36 pm That would be DaRon Holmes. He went to Dayton

Which showed how damaged the Arizona brand had become. Arizona losing a recruit to Dayton? It was actually an astounding development.

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https://247sports.com/Article/Zion-Williamson-bank-records-show-payments-Adidas-executive-mother-stepfather-Duke-Blue-Devils-New-Orleans-Pelicans-165508460/ The mother and stepfather of Zion Williamson accepted payments from former Adidas executive Chris Rivers between 2016 and 2019 bank records sh...

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Don't know if it's true, but I heard his girlfriend goes to Creighton. She’s a Tucson native. She’s going to Mizzou which isn’t all that close of a drive to Omaha. Yeah, it is like a 5 hour drive; 3 hours to Kansas City, and another 2 to Mizzou. Creighton has had some success lately, but it is hard...

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Bal has some interesting tools, but the redshirt year might be needed if he's still playing like he was in some of those videos. Like Benn, he's got to build up his handles and confidence attacking off more than one or two dribbles and hoping he gets close enough to put up a shot. Still, guys with ...

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ESPN will only begrudgingly report on Duke, with respect to this story, when it has to. And even then, they will try to bury it or water it down. ESPN is like a political news channel -- it goes after some parties, while it props up and protects others, all based on the ideologigal position of the c...

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How about Josh Pastner? The biggest bench cheerleader in program history, an assistant under Lute and Calipari, ran Memphis into the ground, got involved in some bizarre love-triangle shakedown, and now oversees mediocrity at Georgia Tech.

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I suppose we could compare Nico's freshman year to other big-minute AZ PGs in their first year. Nico - 14ppg, 5.3apg, 2.5rpg, 39%FG, 79%FT Bibby - 13.5, 5.2, 3.2, 44%, 70% Gardner - 12.6, 4.8, 3.7, 37%, 72% Shakur - 9.4, 4.5, 3.6, 51%, 80% Bayless - 19.7, 4.0, 2.7, 45%, 83% McConnell (junior transf...

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Clearly Vitale has his allegiances, and tows the ESPN company line with certain programs and coaches that ESPN is in business with, but I don't think he ever targeted Arizona in previous decades. He respected Lute, even though Lute referred to him as "Dukie V" -- IIRC, Vitale even acknowledged that ...

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Is vitale going to keep saying AZ is dirty if Tommy pulls in all these guys? Why would he start being reasonable now? As far as ESPN goes generally, I'd guess they saw how they got away with broadsiding a program without factual basis, and they'll do it again. Not necessarily to Arizona, but Arizon...

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Is vitale going to keep saying AZ is dirty if Tommy pulls in all these guys? Vitale allegedly had a one-sided vendetta against Miller. As others have pointed out over the years, once Miller arrived at Arizona and started encroaching on recruiting territory once dominated by Duke, Kansas, Carolina a...

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Why are you guys trying to introduce supporting facts? We know nobody cares because it doesn’t fit the media narrative. Miller and Arizona have 5 Level 1 infractions from the sanctimonious NCAA. We are a bunch of cheats. We pay players and we are going to get heavy sanctions... and the boogie man i...

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azgreg wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:14 pm
enfuego wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:09 pm Apparently there are rumblings the kid is looking for a paycheck.
Right up Self's alley.

It is surprising Pitino didn't get in on the action.

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NickyBCats wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:15 pm Kerr in the portal and Ben M and Koloko are likely to join him here soon. Tommy already has his work cut out.

If he is the recruiter everyone says he is, he should be able to reel some of them back in, unless the unknown about NCAA sanctions scares them away permanently.

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I could get behind Damon Stoudamire. And you may have to do that. The speculation is that Damon would be in over his head with the Arizona job, but who knows, maybe he would excel, especially if he had the right staff. He would definitely not be an exciting hire, but within a year it would be clear...

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Musselman is a better, safer choice than Lloyd. Musselman has a solid track record at Nevada and Arkansas, versus Lloyd, who has never been a college head coach anywhere. If we did things right, which I doubt, then we told Lloyd we will explore Muss' interest and then make a decision. Lloyd is no d...

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IrishAzCat wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:40 pm Maybe Miller tossed some money at Lloyd to not take the job.

Yeah, ESPN is going to report Miller is paying him $10,000.00 a month, apparently captured via a phone tap.

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is Mark Few coming too? It's funny, I remember a few years ago when people would talk Miller replacements, Few would come up. Now, we've maybe hired Mark Few...'s assistant. Cannot say I'm hyped. Few was never coming to Arizona. There was a time when people thought he was almost a guarantee to be L...

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97cats wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:46 pm is Mark Few coming too?

You think it is that bad of a potential hire?

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CSM. Always classy. As for me, not so classy, because I say fuck those fuckers, Heeke and Robbins. And I wish failure for anyone those two hire. So you would rather see AZ basketball become irrelevant, than once again become a power? Heeke and Robbins are jackasses, but I would prefer to see AZ bac...

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So, is this Tommy Lloyd thing really happening?

If Lloyd can truly emulate the Gonzaga consistency and success, plus utilize AZ’s recruiting advantages, it might work.

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True man. But hindsight is always rosy. I remember how I felt as we hired a Xavier coach (albeit he did get to Elite 8s there) with no west coast ties and a style of game that was odd to anyone who loved AZ basketball. The 3 coaches in 3 years stuff with nobody decent on the roster outside of Nic W...

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Who knows what Terry’s value is as a coach, but if Tommy does get the gig, there may be some rationale behind keeping a highly decorated former Arizona star/alum as part of the staff.

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Choo said if there's no news by Monday, it probably means Lloyd turned us down and we're moving on to Plan B, C and D. One suspects the only thing that would turn him off is the likelihood of additional sanctions to deal with in his first couple years (that didn’t stop Mack from going to Louisville...

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Damn. It was telling to see the ASU fans laughing about it instead of going "oh crap, Arizona is going to get a great coach". I remember hoping UCLA would keep Lavin forever. But our rivals all seem delighted with this move. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sean-miller-firing-college-basketball-losing-...

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Fairly certain sean is done in college bball for a bit. Ouch. Yeah it sucks. Must feel good to go all in on self. Ballsy move, and I respect it. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out. Honestly I'm sure losing a coach once to UNC had something to do with it. They got scared and pulled the ...

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The timing of all this is what bothers me the most. It makes no sense. The program just started to look like it was going to be back on track. Now, I fear, we may see even darker years upcoming. I understand both sides of keeping/firing Miller argument. His actions, or lack of action, lead to the F...

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We fired a coach with a .730 win %, 5 Pac titles, 4 Elite Eights and a projected top 15 team in 2021... That is an impressive resume, but that isn't why he was fired. The FBI/NCAA investigations, the allegiance to Book Richardson, and the stink over the program over the past couple of years is why ...

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Yeah not sure why anyone thinks he'd even leave Gonzaga. It’s either take a big time job now or wait another decade plus to take over Gonzaga. And he can take that job over in a decade if he still wants it. If he’s successful at Arizona he’s not going to leave that for Gonzaga. If he’s leaving for ...

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A couple of things. One, who cares if Robbins wants Lloyd, that doesn't mean it is automatically a bad hire. Lloyd has been Few's main assistant, which is not insignificant. Gonzaga has become a premier program. For all the assistants that haven't succeeded, there are also assistants that have, such...

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Miller even agreed to be a lame duck coach... and they still fired him https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/status/1379927857758044160 Yeah, that was the link above I'm too dumb to know how to embed. I have no doubt Miller would have succeeded and made it much harder to fire him. So funny that we fired ...

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I’ve loved az basketball for 35 years plus. I would never say I won’t support the ream. Unless pastner gets the job. If that happens I’m out and fucking done. I will become the biggest Asshole troll this board has ever seen. Pastner is not getting the job. One, he is a mediocre coach; two, he has h...

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Yes, the product on the floor was mediocre by AZ standards. Suddenly the past couple of years was acceptable because the future with another coach is unknown. Sorry, but the past few years was not enjoyable to watch, and none of those teams ever felt like legitimate contenders — and it isn’t like w...

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