The Great Outdoors

[BearDown89]

Thank you for sharing those photos. They bring back a lot of memories. Spent a summer working out of Elk City/Orogrande. Beautiful country. Another year was among the first to make the Darby run after the road opened up for the summer (in a F150 with a Jayco pop-up). Great fly fishing on the Selway - really did not know that it was C&R and the cutthroats tasted wonderful. May have caught some from that very rock. Are there still a lot of mountain goats around there?

It is great country. It's been two weeks today since we left and I can't stop thinking about it. Didn't see any goats although they're still known to be out there. Would've loved to seen some. What I will do different next time is focus the campsites on fishing. I fished a little, but not enough. That's awesome you spent a summer up there Kaibab. As I recall, you know Idaho well.

BD89: Just found this thread. I saw Boise in your handle but still didn't make the connection. My 40 years of woodswork were mostly in Idaho from the Boise to the Panhandle. The stretch from the South Fork of the Boise up through the Payette and Nez to the Selway will always be my heart's core. Elk City in the mid 70's was wild: Highway 14 just recently been paved and The Boarhogger was, well, let's just say it was something out of a David Lynch movie. (People think the Dirty Shame in the Yaak was wild. Oh well, what do they know.) I grew up in the Lolo and had a buds in Sula and Elk City and more time than I can count we went out Magruder just to get out of town and stay out of trouble. Many busted u-joints; many cut sidewalls; lotsa bad Burgie beer. Thanks man!

Fantastic story dovecanyoncat. Hadn't heard of the Boarhogger. Awesome. Would've loved to experience some of that back in the day . . . There's a Dirty Shame bar in Garden Valley, Idaho about an hour+ from Boise. It's got a bit of the same reputation. Even thought there was a fair bit of four wheeler and ATV traffic in Elk City on the 4th of July, it still felt very remote, wild and a place for hearty living. Thanks for posting - it caused me to look back through those pictures. Not bad. In fact, I fired up the Jeep and drove it to work this morning.

[azgreg]

The wife just signed us up for this.

[azgreg]

[UAEebs86]

There's one living near the Rancho del Lago golf course out here in Vail. It's been spotted multiple times.

[CalStateTempe]

Jogger attacked by mountain lion and killed it with his bare hands!

Just a ridiculously crazy story. Dude is now fending off marriage proposals from probably a different type of cougar.

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/02/05/h ... er-county/" target="_blank

[BearDown89]

Thought this made more sense here rather than the movie thread. Saw this in IMAX over the weekend. Great story, incredibly shot and definitely breathtaking. Even though you know he succeeded, it's still harrowing and nerve-wracking to watch. People are amazing.



As a side note, I'm thinking about hitting up a climbing gym to shake up my fitness routine . . .

[CalStateTempe]

Thought this made more sense here rather than the movie thread. Saw this in IMAX over the weekend. Great story, incredibly shot and definitely breathtaking. Even though you know he succeeded, it's still harrowing and nerve-wracking to watch. People are amazing.



As a side note, I'm thinking about hitting up a climbing gym to shake up my fitness routine . . .

Awesome BD, I love stuff like this, so inspiring.

Good luck and have fun, I’ve found training to hiking long distances and climb stuff is an awesome total body work out. Really forces you to examine caloric input and output as well, because the goal to cut weight and build muscle at the same time.

[dovecanyoncat]

As a side note, I'm thinking about hitting up a climbing gym to shake up my fitness routine . . .

Good plan. Cone picking/tree climbing got me in great shape back in the day. It's very effective for core strength and for working muscles in positions of odd leverage.

[84Cat]

I watched this a few nights ago and thought it was really good. The more I find out about his approach the more interesting I find his story. That would be really cool to see in an IMAX theater



And an even deeper dive into how he lives

[CalStateTempe]

http://www.fitclimb.com/page/12-week-mo ... ng-fitness" target="_blank

This is the regimen I use when training for a climb. It’s leg and lungs (cardio) and core heavy and on off days I’ll focus on back and arms.

[CalStateTempe]

Sweet 84! Honnold is gonna make a run at some of Ueli Stecks records.

[84Cat]

http://www.fitclimb.com/page/12-week-mo ... ng-fitness

This is the regimen I use when training for a climb. It’s leg and lungs (cardio) and core heavy and on off days I’ll focus on back and arms.

Nice. You must be getting into some pretty good shape.

[CalStateTempe]

Trying to. The last two times I did this averaged about an 8lb weight loss each round. But I allowed more cheat days and kept up the weekend beers to a greater degree than I intended. Good news is I didn’t gain it back the rest of the year and was able to maintain both times.

This year I’m training for Mt Shasta in May and learned a ton from my summit bid last year.(bailed at 13.4k at the base of misery hill due to AMS/hypoxia vs malnutrition/dehydration symptoms). Nevertheless it was a fun adventure and I’ll be back for another attempt.

In order to get my cardio to where it needs to be I need to cut more weight and to do that I have to follow a strict diet. It’s been fun to learn how to do all this stuff. Can’t wait to check out the Alex nutrition video when I get home tonight.

[dovecanyoncat]

http://www.fitclimb.com/page/12-week-mo ... ng-fitness

This is the regimen I use when training for a climb. It’s leg and lungs (cardio) and core heavy and on off days I’ll focus on back and arms.

Thanks for this link, and the link within it: https://www.verywellfit.com/maximum-heart-rate-1231221" target="_blank which confirm my perceived exertion targets. I don't feel like I get the cardio workout I need unless I hit 100% of mhr (165-170). I try not to pay too much attention to those who say it's dumb to do it. But I've never been accused of being smart.

[azgreg]

The wife just signed us up for this.

Today's the day, wish me luck.

[CalStateTempe]

Get after it Greg! Let us know how it goes.

[UAEebs86]

Pulled hammy coming up azgreg

[azgreg]

That was a goddamn workout and a lot of fun.

[CalStateTempe]

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/adve ... aineer-k2/" target="_blank

My new mountaineering hero.

Polish dude first to ski down K2!

[CalStateTempe]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZRqeRRik8c" target="_blank

Someone Embed please, sick video of the descent!

[84Cat]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZRqeRRik8c

Someone Embed please, sick video of the descent!

[CalStateTempe]

Thanks 84!

Here’s an awesome read on the superhuman endurance of Kilian Jornet.

https://www.outsideonline.com/2324076/u ... ontroversy" target="_blank

[CalStateTempe]

Just signed up for my first ski-mountaineering race.

Never wouldve thought that I’d do something like this 2 years ago.

I’ll try not to kill myself.

https://www.mammothmountain.com/winter/ ... -challenge" target="_blank

[azcat49]

Going on something big that has been planned for 30 plus years. Not a rugged outdoors thing in reality but is is centered on the outdoors for a late 50’scouple. More to come soon

[CalStateTempe]

Going on something big that has been planned for 30 plus years. Not a rugged outdoors thing in reality but is is centered on the outdoors for a late 50’scouple. More to come soon

Awesome J, lets us know, sounds pretty awesome with that much planning!

[Chicat]

[BearDown89]

Been working on my "overlanding" (i.e., car camping ) set up in the Jeep. Not a lot of room back there so organization is key.

[azgreg]

Well done man.

[dovecanyoncat]

Delorme Gazetters rock. Well done.

[BearDown89]

Delorme Gazetters rock. Well done.

Thanks dove. That one is pretty old, but well-used. Time for an updated edition.

Well done man.

Thank you Greg.

[azgreg]

Anybody here ever go through Antelope Canyon near Page?

[Jefe]

Anybody here ever go through Antelope Canyon near Page?

Yes, well worth the trip! Mid day is the best time to go. Dont miss out on Horseshoe Bend either

[84Cat]

Anybody here ever go through Antelope Canyon near Page?

Yep, I highly recommend it. We went to the upper canyon and some day will hit up the lower canyon

[azcat49]

Been more times then I have fingers and toes. Always inspiring. Went fly fishing today in the smoky mountains. An absolute must on anyone’s trip list

[azgreg]

So, our trip weekend is set. The 29th we're setting out early for the Four Corners monument then Mesa Verde in Colorado then back to Page for dinner. Then Sunday morning to Lower Antelope Canyon and then a picnic lunch at Horseshoe Bend then back home. Can't wait.

[pc in NM]

So, our trip weekend is set. The 29th we're setting out early for the Four Corners monument then Mesa Verde in Colorado then back to Page for dinner. Then Sunday morning to Lower Antelope Canyon and then a picnic lunch at Horseshoe Bend then back home. Can't wait.

I fear you're trying to cram too much into 2 days....

FYI, Mesa Verde is not possible to fully experience in part-of-a-day....

I suggest, pck one, and do it well.

[azgreg]

So, our trip weekend is set. The 29th we're setting out early for the Four Corners monument then Mesa Verde in Colorado then back to Page for dinner. Then Sunday morning to Lower Antelope Canyon and then a picnic lunch at Horseshoe Bend then back home. Can't wait.

I fear you're trying to cram too much into 2 days....

FYI, Mesa Verde is not possible to fully experience in part-of-a-day....

I suggest, pck one, and do it well.

I get that but I'd hate to be just an hour away from there and not see it. Not sure when I'll get up there again.

[dovecanyoncat]

So, our trip weekend is set. The 29th we're setting out early for the Four Corners monument then Mesa Verde in Colorado then back to Page for dinner. Then Sunday morning to Lower Antelope Canyon and then a picnic lunch at Horseshoe Bend then back home. Can't wait.

I fear you're trying to cram too much into 2 days....

FYI, Mesa Verde is not possible to fully experience in part-of-a-day....

I suggest, pck one, and do it well.

I get that but I'd hate to be just an hour away from there and not see it. Not sure when I'll get up there again.

It's impossible to do brief justice to this amazing part of the country. The SE corner of Utah alone is like a trip to Mars. When we were recently in Chaco Canyon I met an archaeologist/anthropologist who said Hovenweep Nat. Mon. is something no one fully appreciates and everyone passes up.

Have fun at MV, you're gonna love it. You get to climb lotta ladders and get misted.

[Jefe]

and then a picnic lunch at Horseshoe Bend

Eat at the car unless you don't mind a little over a half mile walk thru soft sand from the parking lot to the lookout. Its usually pretty windy too

[azcat49]

Mesa Verde/Cortez/Delores River are all great Greg. MV is tough to see in a day unless you just want to have a driving tour/step out and see the ruins. Must see though

[Longhorned]

Setting aside my archaeology obsession, it's possible to have get a lot out of Mesa Verde with just a quick visit. You can't do the British Museum in an afternoon, either, but it's worth seeing what's most interesting to you.

Skip the visitors museum, talk a quick walk down into the interactive part of the site, view the famous cliff structures from above, and skip the drive around the park to visit the various structures.

[pc in NM]

Setting aside my archaeology obsession, it's possible to have get a lot out of Mesa Verde with just a quick visit. You can't do the British Museum in an afternoon, either, but it's worth seeing what's most interesting to you.

Skip the visitors museum, talk a quick walk down into the interactive part of the site, view the famous cliff structures from above, and skip the drive around the park to visit the various structures.

Yeah, you can stand on the edge of the Grand Canyon, and look down, too, but you haven’t “seen” it, or “been there”....

[Longhorned]

Setting aside my archaeology obsession, it's possible to have get a lot out of Mesa Verde with just a quick visit. You can't do the British Museum in an afternoon, either, but it's worth seeing what's most interesting to you.

Skip the visitors museum, talk a quick walk down into the interactive part of the site, view the famous cliff structures from above, and skip the drive around the park to visit the various structures.

Yeah, you can stand on the edge of the Grand Canyon, and look down, too, but you haven’t “seen” it, or “been there”....

Now hold on. You're saying if someone stood on the north rim of the Grand Canyon, and took it all in with his eyes, he hasn't seen the Grand Canyon?

[Chicat]

Setting aside my archaeology obsession, it's possible to have get a lot out of Mesa Verde with just a quick visit. You can't do the British Museum in an afternoon, either, but it's worth seeing what's most interesting to you.

Skip the visitors museum, talk a quick walk down into the interactive part of the site, view the famous cliff structures from above, and skip the drive around the park to visit the various structures.

Yeah, you can stand on the edge of the Grand Canyon, and look down, too, but you haven’t “seen” it, or “been there”....

Is this like the difference between “listening” to Jimi Hendrix and “hearing” Jimi Hendrix?

[pc in NM]

Setting aside my archaeology obsession, it's possible to have get a lot out of Mesa Verde with just a quick visit. You can't do the British Museum in an afternoon, either, but it's worth seeing what's most interesting to you.

Skip the visitors museum, talk a quick walk down into the interactive part of the site, view the famous cliff structures from above, and skip the drive around the park to visit the various structures.

Yeah, you can stand on the edge of the Grand Canyon, and look down, too, but you haven’t “seen” it, or “been there”....

Is this like the difference between “listening” to Jimi Hendrix and “hearing” Jimi Hendrix?

You might say the difference between being at a Jimi Hendrix concert, and hearing a Jimi Hendrix album...

[pc in NM]

Setting aside my archaeology obsession, it's possible to have get a lot out of Mesa Verde with just a quick visit. You can't do the British Museum in an afternoon, either, but it's worth seeing what's most interesting to you.

Skip the visitors museum, talk a quick walk down into the interactive part of the site, view the famous cliff structures from above, and skip the drive around the park to visit the various structures.

Yeah, you can stand on the edge of the Grand Canyon, and look down, too, but you haven’t “seen” it, or “been there”....

Now hold on. You're saying if someone stood on the north rim of the Grand Canyon, and took it all in with his eyes, he hasn't seen the Grand Canyon?

More or less, yes. I’d been there several times, but until I hiked it and spent a nite by the river, I hadn’t really “seen” or “experienced” the Grand Canyon.... that’s what I mean

[Longhorned]

Setting aside my archaeology obsession, it's possible to have get a lot out of Mesa Verde with just a quick visit. You can't do the British Museum in an afternoon, either, but it's worth seeing what's most interesting to you.

Skip the visitors museum, talk a quick walk down into the interactive part of the site, view the famous cliff structures from above, and skip the drive around the park to visit the various structures.

Yeah, you can stand on the edge of the Grand Canyon, and look down, too, but you haven’t “seen” it, or “been there”....

Now hold on. You're saying if someone stood on the north rim of the Grand Canyon, and took it all in with his eyes, he hasn't seen the Grand Canyon?

More or less, yes. I’d been there several times, but until I hiked it and spent a nite by the river, I hadn’t really “seen” or “experienced” the Grand Canyon.... that’s what I mean

Let's have this out. If you hike the Grand Canyon, you can't see it anymore because you're in it. I've hiked the Hermit Trail and Havasupai Trail, I spent days down in there, and I'm here to tell you it's just like being anywhere else in nature once you're inside of it.

Nobody hiked into the Grand Canyon, slept in a sleeping bag down there, and then decided it was one of Wonders of the World. It's the seeing of it in all its expansiveness from the outside -- up on the rim -- that presents the fullness of the sublime. That's the Wonder.

If you were to blindfold a man and reveal everything once he's at the bottom of the canyon, that's the guy who hasn't seen a damn thing.

What you're saying is like if somebody goes to the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam to see Rambrandt's Night Watch, and then you say to him he hasn't seen it because he hasn't looked at it under a microscope. Sometimes, it's not about being inside a thing. It's about seeing it.

[dovecanyoncat]

You're both wrong. Until you've gotten food poisoning at the El Tovar the totality of the Grand Canyon experience has escaped you.

[Longhorned]

You're both wrong. Until you've gotten food poisoning at the El Tovar the totality of the Grand Canyon experience has escaped you.

That's where I ate my first ever sandwich with the bread secured to the ham and cheese with a toothpick ornamented with colored cellophane frizzles.

[UAEebs86]

Yeah, you can stand on the edge of the Grand Canyon, and look down, too, but you haven’t “seen” it, or “been there”....

Is this like the difference between “listening” to Jimi Hendrix and “hearing” Jimi Hendrix?