Bear Down Wildcats

Sucks.

Even more than Walmart.

indeed it does. 2 of my dad's brothers died from it before age 60.

scumdevils86 wrote:indeed it does. 2 of my dad's brothers died from it before age 60.

Sorry. Lost 3 GP's to cancer. Other one went more peacefully.

And, death comes with guilt for the financial burdens left behind.

Lost my Father In Law a few years ago and just lost a friend of mine around my same age (she had 2 small kids under 10 years old) to Pancreatic Cancer.

Fuck You Cancer.

Lost my father-in-law to PC. Happens very quickly.

Lost my grandma to it. She was my favorite person on the planet.

I don't know of anybody in my family with PC, but I lost my dad and my uncle to Leukemia and bladder cancer.

Lost my grandpa to it. It was quick and ruthless.

My dad. Was officially classified as 'undiagnosed' but the speed and symptoms matched pancreatic. Pretty rough six months, but as cancer goes, that's fast.

Puerco wrote:My dad. Was officially classified as 'undiagnosed' but the speed and symptoms matched pancreatic. Pretty rough six months, but as cancer goes, that's fast.

Cousins wife was diagnosed, lasted just weeks at age 31. Best friend in H.S. had a biopsy at age 17. Never left the Hospital. My 3-pack a day 70-year old aunt has battled for 4 years and defies all odds. So many lifestyle changes. Diet. Diet is the killer. Just finding the things you can eat without puking...enjoying food no longer matters.

I really hope you're not saying that you have been diagnosed?

Probably the worst cancer to have, I think the success rate of beating it is around 5% due to they can't detect it early enough. Here are the top-10 causes of this horrible disease

1.Cigarette smoking:illustration of person smokingCigarette smoking doubles the risk of pancreatic cancer. In fact, some scientists have estimated that one in four, or one in five cases of pancreatic cancer are caused by smoking cigarettes. Smoking is also associated with early age at diagnosis. Very importantly, the risk of pancreatic cancer drops close to normal in people who quit smoking. Simply put, cigarette smoking is the leading preventable cause of pancreatic cancer.
2.Age: The risk of developing pancreatic cancer increases with age. Over 80% of pancreatic cancers develop between the ages of 60 and 80 years.
3.Race: Studies in the United States have shown that pancreatic cancer is more common in the African American population than it is in the white population. Some of this increased risk may be due to socioeconomic factors and to cigarette smoking.
4.Gender: Cancer of the pancreas is more common in men than in women. Men are more likely to smoke than women.
5.Religious background: Pancreatic cancer is proportionally more common in Ashkenazi Jews than the rest of the population. This may be because of a particular inherited mutation in the breast cancer gene (BRCA2) which runs in some Ashkenazi Jewish families.
6.Chronic pancreatitis: Long-term (chronic) inflammation of the pancreas (pancreatitis) has been linked to cancer of the pancreas.
7.Diabetes mellitus: Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes) can be a symptom of pancreatic cancer, and long-standing adult-onset diabetes also increases the risk of pancreatic cancer.
8.Obesity: Obesity significantly increases the risk of pancreatic cancer. Believe it or not, it has been estimated that 8% of cancers are related to obesity.
9.Diet: Diets high in meats, cholesterol, fried foods and nitrosamines may increase risk, while diets high in fruits and vegetables reduce risk. The vitamin folate may be protective.
10.Genetics: As mentioned earlier, a number of inherited cancer syndromes increase the risk of pancreatic cancer. These include the breast cancer syndrome (BRCA2 and PALB2), familial atypical multiple mole melanoma syndrome (FAMMM), Lynch syndrome (also known as hereditary non-polyposis colorectal cancer syndrome), and the Peutz-Jeghers syndrome. More information about these syndromes is provided in the genetics section of this web page and on the web site of the National Familial Pancreas Tumor Registry.

Irish27 wrote:Probably the worst cancer to have, I think the success rate of beating it is around 5% due to they can't detect it early enough. Here are the top-10 causes of this horrible disease

1.Cigarette smoking:illustration of person smokingCigarette smoking doubles the risk of pancreatic cancer. In fact, some scientists have estimated that one in four, or one in five cases of pancreatic cancer are caused by smoking cigarettes. Smoking is also associated with early age at diagnosis. Very importantly, the risk of pancreatic cancer drops close to normal in people who quit smoking. Simply put, cigarette smoking is the leading preventable cause of pancreatic cancer.
2.Age: The risk of developing pancreatic cancer increases with age. Over 80% of pancreatic cancers develop between the ages of 60 and 80 years.
3.Race: Studies in the United States have shown that pancreatic cancer is more common in the African American population than it is in the white population. Some of this increased risk may be due to socioeconomic factors and to cigarette smoking.
4.Gender: Cancer of the pancreas is more common in men than in women. Men are more likely to smoke than women.
5.Religious background: Pancreatic cancer is proportionally more common in Ashkenazi Jews than the rest of the population. This may be because of a particular inherited mutation in the breast cancer gene (BRCA2) which runs in some Ashkenazi Jewish families.
6.Chronic pancreatitis: Long-term (chronic) inflammation of the pancreas (pancreatitis) has been linked to cancer of the pancreas.
7.Diabetes mellitus: Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes) can be a symptom of pancreatic cancer, and long-standing adult-onset diabetes also increases the risk of pancreatic cancer.
8.Obesity: Obesity significantly increases the risk of pancreatic cancer. Believe it or not, it has been estimated that 8% of cancers are related to obesity.
9.Diet: Diets high in meats, cholesterol, fried foods and nitrosamines may increase risk, while diets high in fruits and vegetables reduce risk. The vitamin folate may be protective.
10.Genetics: As mentioned earlier, a number of inherited cancer syndromes increase the risk of pancreatic cancer. These include the breast cancer syndrome (BRCA2 and PALB2), familial atypical multiple mole melanoma syndrome (FAMMM), Lynch syndrome (also known as hereditary non-polyposis colorectal cancer syndrome), and the Peutz-Jeghers syndrome. More information about these syndromes is provided in the genetics section of this web page and on the web site of the National Familial Pancreas Tumor Registry.

Then why Patrick Swayze?

Longhorned wrote:

Irish27 wrote:Probably the worst cancer to have, I think the success rate of beating it is around 5% due to they can't detect it early enough. Here are the top-10 causes of this horrible disease

1.Cigarette smoking:illustration of person smokingCigarette smoking doubles the risk of pancreatic cancer. In fact, some scientists have estimated that one in four, or one in five cases of pancreatic cancer are caused by smoking cigarettes. Smoking is also associated with early age at diagnosis. Very importantly, the risk of pancreatic cancer drops close to normal in people who quit smoking. Simply put, cigarette smoking is the leading preventable cause of pancreatic cancer.
2.Age: The risk of developing pancreatic cancer increases with age. Over 80% of pancreatic cancers develop between the ages of 60 and 80 years.
3.Race: Studies in the United States have shown that pancreatic cancer is more common in the African American population than it is in the white population. Some of this increased risk may be due to socioeconomic factors and to cigarette smoking.
4.Gender: Cancer of the pancreas is more common in men than in women. Men are more likely to smoke than women.
5.Religious background: Pancreatic cancer is proportionally more common in Ashkenazi Jews than the rest of the population. This may be because of a particular inherited mutation in the breast cancer gene (BRCA2) which runs in some Ashkenazi Jewish families.
6.Chronic pancreatitis: Long-term (chronic) inflammation of the pancreas (pancreatitis) has been linked to cancer of the pancreas.
7.Diabetes mellitus: Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes) can be a symptom of pancreatic cancer, and long-standing adult-onset diabetes also increases the risk of pancreatic cancer.
8.Obesity: Obesity significantly increases the risk of pancreatic cancer. Believe it or not, it has been estimated that 8% of cancers are related to obesity.
9.Diet: Diets high in meats, cholesterol, fried foods and nitrosamines may increase risk, while diets high in fruits and vegetables reduce risk. The vitamin folate may be protective.
10.Genetics: As mentioned earlier, a number of inherited cancer syndromes increase the risk of pancreatic cancer. These include the breast cancer syndrome (BRCA2 and PALB2), familial atypical multiple mole melanoma syndrome (FAMMM), Lynch syndrome (also known as hereditary non-polyposis colorectal cancer syndrome), and the Peutz-Jeghers syndrome. More information about these syndromes is provided in the genetics section of this web page and on the web site of the National Familial Pancreas Tumor Registry.

Then why Patrick Swayze?

#1, smoking.

I'm starting to think smoking isn't healthy

Longhorned wrote:I'm starting to think smoking isn't healthy

We should probably do some kind of study.

Ugh. I wanted to ignore this thread but can't.


Lost my mother to PC over 20 years ago now. The fucking worst.

azgreg wrote:

Longhorned wrote:I'm starting to think smoking isn't healthy

We should probably do some kind of study.

No need. Big Tobacco did one. Good to go.

Check out this old ad.

http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/outrage ... rette-ads/

Bear Down Vegas wrote:Ugh. I wanted to ignore this thread but can't.

Lost my mother to PC over 20 years ago now. The fucking worst.

Emphysema for mine. But will my sisters stop smoking? No. Father in law has a hole in his throat. He did stop.

gumby wrote:

azgreg wrote:

Longhorned wrote:I'm starting to think smoking isn't healthy

We should probably do some kind of study.

No need. Big Tobacco did one. Good to go.

Check out this old ad.

http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/outrage ... rette-ads/

Both my parents died from smoking. Heart disease & Lung cancer.

Dr. Nicolas Gonzales has had success treating pancreatic cancer with diet change, pancreatic enzymes and detoxification using daily enemas. http://www.dr-gonzalez.com/history_of_treatment.htm The problem is that health insurance will not cover non standard approaches (slash/burn/ and poison). If I had pancreatic cancer, this is who I would go to. Give their office a call. What will it hurt?

It'll hurt your decedents who will inherit less upon your death because in your desperation you gave a ton of your money to a quack.

ALASKACAT wrote:Dr. Nicolas Gonzales has had success treating pancreatic cancer with diet change, pancreatic enzymes and detoxification using daily enemas. http://www.dr-gonzalez.com/history_of_treatment.htm The problem is that health insurance will not cover non standard approaches (slash/burn/ and poison). If I had pancreatic cancer, this is who I would go to. Give their office a call. What will it hurt?

That's not the problem. The problem is that he hasn't proven what you've stated to be true.

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRel ... er/kg.html

Conclusions

Neither Kelley nor Gonzalez has identified proposed toxins in processed food.
Neither has evidence that abnormal protein molecules from necrosing tumors are toxins or that they poison organs.
Neither has evidence that the toxins poison oxidative metabolism.
Neither has evidence that cancers thrive in an anaerobic environment.
Neither has shown that coffee enemas, megavitamin doses, and their special diets inhibit the progress of cancer.
Neither has produced evidence that a deficiency of pancreatic digestive enzymes is related to the onset of cancer.
Neither has produced evidence that enzymes from animal or vegetable sources can replace enzymes in human organs.
There is no evidence that ingested pancreatic enzymes seek out and kill cancer cells.
Neither has produced evidence that their regimens are more effective than a placebo for cancer.

Do you really think that insurance companies should be compelled to cover unproven remedies. If you were an insurer, would you?

Be careful with the terms "toxin" and "toxic." Everything can be toxic if you get too much. For instance, our drinking water has traces of arsenic. But there isn't enough to make it toxic.

On the other hand, if you drink an entire swimming pool of the stuff, you'll get sick. Even if it doesn't have arsenic.

So this whole "detox" movement rides this notion that just calling something a toxin triggers a response of, "Well. I better get rid of it!"

And the 5th Century coffee enema ensues. But be careful: might be "toxins" in that coffee!

Oxygen is toxic if you dig a 3 mile deep hole in the earth and stand at the bottom of it

Water itself is toxic when ingested in great amounts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

Bruins01 wrote:Water itself is toxic when ingested in great amounts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

It's too bad because that's one of my qwack cures for the common cold. You drink so much water so fast that you forget your own name, and then you quickly drink another couple of gallons. You literally have to pee every 30 seconds. You lose all of your electrolytes, and instant death is a real possibility, even a likelihood. But it's better than suffering from a cold, and it truly does cure it instantly. My wife made me quit, and rely instead on "plenty of fluids" the way your doctor and your grandmother intend it. Which doesn't work.

My grandmother gave us laxatives for any illness. Purge those toxins!

I'm optimistic. 3-5 years. But that's me.

BigSkyCatinMT wrote:I'm optimistic. 3-5 years. But that's me.

Am I understanding you correctly? You've been diagnosed?

Just heard that my son's former scout master died on Sunday from liver cancer which he was diagnosed with just 3 weeks ago.

New scary word for the day. Hospice. Still in denial.

Sorry to hear that Mtz.

Our prayers are with you buddy.

Got bless, MT.

Thanks guys. I have a 12 year old, hope I did enough.

Damn. Not what anyone wanted to hear...

Wow...

Thoughts are with you and your family.

I'm sorry to hear this Mtz, thinking of you and your family.

So sorry mtz. Hit my family a few years ago. We're all thinking of you.

I'm so sorry to hear this MT! My thoughts are with you & your family.

I feel so bad for you Mtz. I know you are so concerned about your family. I will pray for them.

Hoping for a miracle, MTZ.

Best of luck MTZ. Keep in touch with us all as you can. We're all praying for you, brother.

Roller coaster. Go from denial, to extreme optimism, then acceptance. Then anger. Then you put affairs in order just in case, Next, a health food binge. Much more optimistic today than yesterday. Maybe because I saw the sky and sun for the first time in weeks due to fires. Depression is common in Alaskan winter months...

hoping for the best for you. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

scumdevils86 wrote:hoping for the best for you. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Thanks. Yesterday I was at the absolute bottom. Kept a bucket next to me all day. Better today. Just finished a 6 mile bike ride. What an up and down ride! What an experience to appreciate old things as if they were new all over again. Who knows which version of me awakens tomorrow?

You are definitely in my prayers MT. I really hope you kick this cancer's ass. Please keep us updated. You really have to take it one day at a time and enjoy every day, something most of us take for granted.

Irish27 wrote:You are definitely in my prayers MT. I really hope you kick this cancer's ass. Please keep us updated. You really have to take it one day at a time and enjoy every day, something most of us take for granted.

3 really good days in a row. Can't remember the last time I had that many.

Volunteering my services at my sons school, now that it's in session. That has to be a help when it comes to my frame of mind.