2014 NBA Offseason

Coop Cat · Post by **Coop Cat** » Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:10 pm

Not sure about this decision by Phil.

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Derek Fisher is finalizing an agreement on a 5-year, $25 million deal to become the Knicks coach, league sources tell Yahoo.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:43 pm

Phil wanted someone familiar with the triangle offense. That's why he wanted Kerr. Only one else I can think of is Brian Shaw. I agree though, I don't like taking guys right out of the league and making them head coach. Make them earn that as an assistant first. I think Fisher has what it takes to be a good coach someday, just not sure I would pay him that much to start.

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:15 pm

Just a note on the Heat courting Melo... It certainly is possible.

If Anderson and Haslem don't opt out and the Heat keep their 1st round pick, they renounce everyone else (including Wade, Bron and Bosh) they can pay $12.5 mil starting, each, for Wade, LeBron, Bosh and Melo.

LeBron just netted a cool $30 mil from the Beat by Dre sale. After watching this series you have to think money is not a concern to LeBron, winning is. The problem is going to be talking Wade AND Melo into leaving a ton of money on the table. Wade is due $42 mil and Melo would be taking a MASSIVE pay cut.

That said, Melo is the perfect fit next to LeBron on this team. He is the clear #2 man behind Bron. He proved he can be a deadly spot up shooter in the Olympics and he absolutely needs to be surrounded by players he trusts and will give the ball up to.

Keep in mind Melo is the first player since Bird to put up 27 ppg, 8 rpg and shoot 40% from 3.

Riley's selling point to Wade is that he can piggyback his way to a potential 4th and 5th title with a shot to catch Jordan at 6.

Coop Cat · Post by **Coop Cat** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:47 am

This just sounds of something that ESPN is throwing out there so they can discuss it all summer starting as soon as the Spurs with the Championship b/c talking about the Spurs will not "move the dial".

That said:

Does Carmelo consider himself anything other than a #1?

Is Carmelo actually gonna take that much less $ to win?

All the platforms of ESPN are going to have a field day with this..................ugh!

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:49 am

Why would the Heat keep Wade if they don't have to?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:13 pm

Alieberman wrote:Why would the Heat keep Wade if they don't have to?

Sentimentality. Wade will never get what he's due with the Heat on the open market. I would think the only way is for LeBron to talk him into it.

The smartest move for LeBron is to opt out and begin negotiating seriously with Cleveland or LA. Put pressure on Wade and Bosh to follow.

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:06 pm

Coop Cat wrote:This just sounds of something that ESPN is throwing out there so they can discuss it all summer starting as soon as the Spurs with the Championship b/c talking about the Spurs will not "move the dial".

That said:

Does Carmelo consider himself anything other than a #1?

Is Carmelo actually gonna take that much less $ to win?

All the platforms of ESPN are going to have a field day with this..................ugh!

I can tell your for certain, on very good authority, this is not just a thrown together rumor. Just as I mentioned months before it happened that the LeBron to Miami scenario was definitely not speculation.

Not saying this happens, but I it certainly is an option. How viable remains up to Wade and Bosh.

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:07 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Alieberman wrote:Why would the Heat keep Wade if they don't have to?
Sentimentality. Wade will never get what he's due with the Heat on the open market. I would think the only way is for LeBron to talk him into it.

The smartest move for LeBron is to opt out and begin negotiating seriously with Cleveland or LA. Put pressure on Wade and Bosh to follow.

They all have the same deadline to opt out.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:58 pm

TucsonClip wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Alieberman wrote:Why would the Heat keep Wade if they don't have to?
Sentimentality. Wade will never get what he's due with the Heat on the open market. I would think the only way is for LeBron to talk him into it.

The smartest move for LeBron is to opt out and begin negotiating seriously with Cleveland or LA. Put pressure on Wade and Bosh to follow.
They all have the same deadline to opt out.

Yeah, he would have to pull the trigger earlier, or at least signal. The guy who should (Wade) is the least likely to.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:40 pm

Not sure Wade is worth more than 7-8 million. He really should look into the Manu Ginobili 6th-Man Preservation system to extend his career. He can't play 100 games at even 30 per.

Bosh is barely worth 10 million. He's not not very good as a 3rd/4th option. Needed to be a #1 with excessive touches to put up numbers.

Now, whether they or the market agree, that's a different story.

Also, Fisher could likely play a factor in Durant sweepstakes.

Daryl Zero · Post by **Daryl Zero** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:00 pm

Gotta figure LeBron opts out just to keep his options open (or opts out of opting out for 1 year).
Miami hasn't been able to provide any really good players on top of the big 3 for years now. Nothing in the draft.
Cleveland might be intriguing especially if they could add Kevin Love and maybe Carmello.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:41 pm

Today I heard this:
Boston gets Kevin Love
Minnesota gets #6&17 picks this year+ a 1st in a future year+ jared sullinger

wooha · Post by **wooha** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:12 pm

Klay Thompson now on the table, apparently. Rumored deal of...

MIN: Klay Thompson, David Lee
GS: Kevin Love, Kevin Martin, JJ Barea, MIN 2014 1st

The Goat · Post by **The Goat** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:19 pm

I can't believe Minnesota would do that deal.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:27 pm

No way Minnesota trades a future 1st.

Thompson/Lee/1st
Love/salary filler

ElGatoBlanco · Post by **ElGatoBlanco** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:31 pm

wooha wrote:Klay Thompson now on the table, apparently. Rumored deal of...

MIN: Klay Thompson, David Lee
GS: Kevin Love, Kevin Martin, JJ Barea, MIN 2014 1st

I've heard that deal is without Martin or with Martin and no Barea/draft pick

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:59 pm

Not a good deal for Minnesota, other than they get talent to win now

That said, they are taking on Lee's salary, might have to pay Klay the max and have one of the worst defensive frontcourts with Lee and Pekovic.

Not a big fan of this deal, but wow what a move if the GSW can pull it off.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:28 pm

This Love trade will have to be unpalatable for all involved. The team that gets him will have given up too much. The only way Minnesota wins is if Phoenix gives up picks along with Bledsoe and Goodwin.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:23 pm

Kerr gets a great head coach in Alvin Gentry to be his Associate Head Coach. Fantastic hire. Familiarity from Phoenix days.

If Warriors can get Love/Martin...

Curry, Crawford (RFA)
Martin
Iguodala, Barnes
Love, Green
Bogut, Speights

That's pretty damn good. Add a veteran shooter at wing, run motion offense with Martin and pic/roll with Curry/Love and you may have an actual offense that doesn't lead league in isolation plays.

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:25 am

Gentry was an EXCELLENT hire by Doc Rivers and is an even better hire for Kerr. Gentry has a way of connecting with his players, developing trust and putting them in the best situation to succeed. He will absolutely bring some much needed creativity to the Warriors struggling offense.

Furthermore, dealing Thompson and Lee to Minnesota is a steal.

Klay has turned into a good defender, but wants a max contract and just doesn't create enough off the dribble, not is a big enough offensive option to warrant that type of money. Looking at the Warriors books, paying Klay the max and either keeping Lee or dumping him for cap relief, does not make the Warriors that much better. Adding Love creates a different element on both sides of the floor.

Iggy is more than capable of playing the 2 and 3 and defending the top perimeter option. This also opens the door for Barnes to develop into a viable 6th man role and more minutes at SF, despite playing better at PF. The Warriors can now add a legit wing defender without having to worry about him stretching the floor. The offense can flow through Love an Bogut to help free Curry off the ball.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 4:43 am

18 pts, 3 rebounds, and 2 assists a game gets you a max contract?

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 5:49 am

Chicat wrote:18 pts, 3 rebounds, and 2 assists a game gets you a max contract?

When you're young with upside, yeah. That second contract is typically more about what they think you can do than what you've done.

the real dill · Post by **the real dill** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:59 am

Coop Cat · Post by **Coop Cat** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 9:02 am

It will be fun to count how many NBA teams Carmelo ends up playing on during his career without winning a title.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 9:21 am

He'll wind up in Miami

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:36 am

I am going Bulls.

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:59 pm

Chicat wrote:18 pts, 3 rebounds, and 2 assists a game gets you a max contract?

Fortunately, its the rookie max, which is much lower. Still, I don't think Bledsoe is worth the max, let alone Thompson. We will see who pays to get/keep him and at what cost.

To me, he doesn't create enough offense to warrant anywhere near that type of offer. Hes a complimentary scorer who is a good defender. Unless he can develop his dribble drive attack and passing, I don't see him ever living up to a max deal.

Coop Cat · Post by **Coop Cat** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:28 pm

Tim Duncan ...............................coming back for another!

$10.3 mil

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:31 pm

Coop Cat wrote:Tim Duncan ...............................coming back!

San Antonio Spurs star Tim Duncan has decided to exercise the final-year option on his contract worth $10.3 million, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Seems like a bargain to me. Why is he so poorly paid compared to the rest?

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:37 pm

Age. Took a little less than market to stay in San Antonio last year, and to help keep big three in tact.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:40 pm

Tim Duncan is a really hard guy to dislike. And I've tried...

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:54 pm

the real dill wrote:

I notice no one is passing a ball in that photo.

Coop Cat · Post by **Coop Cat** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:30 am

LeBron opts out. Let the circus begin!

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:13 am

Coop Cat wrote:LeBron opts out. Let the circus begin!

He was going to, even if he's coming back. It's the only way to try to push Wade and Bosh to opt out and take less. Pulling the string early lets him take time to convince them.

It only gets really interesting if they don't opt out too. Then...ooh.

the real dill · Post by **the real dill** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:30 pm

Marc Stein is reporting Dallas is close to a deal

Chandler and Ray Felton (ugh) for Calderon, Dalembert and Larkin

the real dill · Post by **the real dill** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:31 pm

Broussard from espn just put this out there. Morey may be working on a sign and trade for Melo shipping Harden to the Knicks. that will then free up cap space to also sign LeBron...big three of Carmelo, Howard and king James...

I would assume such a deal would also include moving Asik for some kind of awful long term contract.

Also to be noted, I think Broussard is o for his career on inside scoops.

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:32 pm

Doesnt make sense for the Knicks to give up their cap flexibility for Calderon. Has to be another deal involved. Here is what I proposed:

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:27 pm

Adding those picks definitely helps. Just odd to see the Knicks taking on salary next summer, when their books were set to be clear. Calderon should fit in Phil's system, but what is Melo leaves? Especially, with reports coming out that Melo will meet with the Mavs once free agency begins.

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:42 pm

Word coming out that the Knicks are trying to move Dalembert and Larkin in a separate deal.

wooha · Post by **wooha** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:35 pm

Omar Asik to the Pelicans for a future 1st. Clear that cap space!

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--r ... 44266.html

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:24 am

Some weird rumblings about Harden being traded for either Carmelo or James and then small deals using picks/prospects to jettison Lin, then use CAP to sign the other of the pair.

If they can get closer to 38-40 million, it's doable.

It would basically leave just Beverly in the backcourt.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:12 am

Coop Cat · Post by **Coop Cat** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:44 pm

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:34 pm

JMarkJohns wrote:Some weird rumblings about Harden being traded for either Carmelo or James and then small deals using picks/prospects to jettison Lin, then use CAP to sign the other of the pair.

If they can get closer to 38-40 million, it's doable.

It would basically leave just Beverly in the backcourt.

If Houston can pull that off, thats a huge win. I actually think dumping Harden for Melo would be a good move as well.

Coop Cat · Post by **Coop Cat** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:24 am

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:31 am

Please go to the Rockets. I really want to love that team...

Coop Cat · Post by **Coop Cat** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:33 am

Jason Kidd......................................what the hell?! Very odd story.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:36 pm

What the....

h

Kerr and Walton have a lot of NBA years playing, but how many years coaching between them on any level?

Coop Cat · Post by **Coop Cat** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:10 pm

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:00 pm

If the Warriors are able to land Love, they look real good. I think Livingston makes sense. Will split Klay's and Steph's reserve minutes and can create off the dribble and defend.

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