2015 Arizona Cardinals

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:42 pm

Wait for a team to win a championship before you really invest your fandom in it. You have to be sure. Don't waste your whole life on a cursed team.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:42 pm

I went to a sold out Bears / Cards game in the late '80s in my Bears gear. Walking into Sun Devil Stadium I felt like I was at Soldier Field. It was 90% Bears fans. The Cards were booed by the crowd in the intros and the Bears were feverishly cheered.

I rooted for my Bears but remember feeling really bad for the Cards.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:47 pm

Alieberman wrote:I went to a sold out Bears / Cards game in the late '80s in my Bears gear. Walking into Sun Devil Stadium I felt like I was at Soldier Field. It was 90% Bears fans. The Cards were booed by the crowd in the intros and the Bears were feverishly cheered.

I rooted for my Bears but remember feeling really bad for the Cards.

That was every game experience. At best it was 60/40 opposing fans. Typical was 70/30. And Bears, Broncos, Cowboys, etc. were 80/20 or greater.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:49 pm

Longhorned wrote:Wait for a team to win a championship before you really invest your fandom in it. You have to be sure. Don't waste your whole life on a cursed team.

Lol that's like everyone in the Bay Area under 40 and the warriors.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:52 pm

JMarkJohns wrote:
Alieberman wrote:I went to a sold out Bears / Cards game in the late '80s in my Bears gear. Walking into Sun Devil Stadium I felt like I was at Soldier Field. It was 90% Bears fans. The Cards were booed by the crowd in the intros and the Bears were feverishly cheered.

I rooted for my Bears but remember feeling really bad for the Cards.
That was every game experience. At best it was 60/40 opposing fans. Typical was 70/30. And Bears, Broncos, Cowboys, etc. were 80/20 or greater.

Totally, I remember reading somewhere about a Bill Bidwell using connections to get a disproportionate share of back east and Midwest teams to bring out the phx transplants to supplement poor ticket sales. I also remember a huge stink made by ownership when the nfl moved the cards from the NFC east to the west.

Doubt Shelton knows any of this history.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:02 pm

Longhorned wrote:Wait for a team to win a championship before you really invest your fandom in it. You have to be sure. Don't waste your whole life on a cursed team.

Which is why I am the worst fan ever.

Grew up in Chicago a Bears / Cubs fan but moved to PHX before I was into basketball.

I then got into basketball living in Phx and I then turned into a Bears / Cubs / Suns fan (but not a Bulls fan)

Then came Michael Jordan... and I continued to be a Suns fan.

I am the worst.

azthrillhouse · Post by **azthrillhouse** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:26 pm

Alieberman wrote:I remember getting excited when the Cards had Jim McMahon for a year.

Oh god, the Buddy Ryan years....Jay Schroeder actually started most of the games that year, I think, and they almost made the playoffs.

McMahon, Schroeder, Dave Kreig, Gary Hogeboom, Boomer Esiason...they had such a long history of retread QB's on their last legs.....which is why it took me a while to warm up to Warner and Palmer, the scars from that time run very deep.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:30 pm

azthrillhouse wrote:
Alieberman wrote:I remember getting excited when the Cards had Jim McMahon for a year.
Oh god, the Buddy Ryan years....Jay Schroeder actually started most of the games that year, I think, and they almost made the playoffs.

McMahon, Schroeder, Dave Kreig, Gary Hogeboom, Boomer Esiason...they had such a long history of retread QB's on their last legs.....which is why it took me a while to warm up to Warner and Palmer, the scars from that time run very deep.

Lol yeah, I think I've blacked out a few of those names. Great recap! I remember when Buddy Ryan walked off the field a minute or two left in his last game. What a joke!

Denny Green sure was fun times too. "They are who we thought they are"

azthrillhouse · Post by **azthrillhouse** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:48 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:
azthrillhouse wrote:
Alieberman wrote:I remember getting excited when the Cards had Jim McMahon for a year.
Oh god, the Buddy Ryan years....Jay Schroeder actually started most of the games that year, I think, and they almost made the playoffs.

McMahon, Schroeder, Dave Kreig, Gary Hogeboom, Boomer Esiason...they had such a long history of retread QB's on their last legs.....which is why it took me a while to warm up to Warner and Palmer, the scars from that time run very deep.
Lol yeah, I think I've blacked out a few of those names. Great recap! I remember when Buddy Ryan walked off the field a minute or two left in his last game. What a joke!

Denny Green sure was fun times too. "They are who we thought they are"

I used to be able to name them all in sequence.....Tom Tupa, Stan Gelbaugh, Kent Graham....so many stiffs.

Denny's drafts at least set up the Super Bowl team's run - Fitz, Dockett, Dansby, Antonio Smith, Rolle, Lutui all were impact starters on that team. He couldn't develop talent or in-game coach worth a lick, but he could at least draft well - should have just been a GM.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:56 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:
Longhorned wrote:Wait for a team to win a championship before you really invest your fandom in it. You have to be sure. Don't waste your whole life on a cursed team.

Lol that's like everyone in the Bay Area under 40 and the warriors.

As a Suns fan I was always jealous of the Warriors for that 1975 championship. It preceded my basketball memories, but it told me that team wasn't eternally cursed. And sure enough....

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:19 pm

I wish I was still a suns fan, but thing have changed over the past 10-15 years for me regarding the suns. Don't know why it's different for them vs the cardnals, certainly they have done better than the cards over they time.

Tom tupa! There is a name I was trying to remember. Loving this trip down memory land.

azthrillhouse · Post by **azthrillhouse** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 3:10 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:I wish I was still a suns fan, but thing have changed over the past 10-15 years for me regarding the suns. Don't know why it's different for them vs the cardnals, certainly they have done better than the cards over they time.

Tom tupa! There is a name I was trying to remember. Loving this trip down memory land.

For me as a Suns fan in remission, the lockout in 98-99 killed it for me...the team the prior year was Jason Kidd/Antonio McDyess w/ Chapman splashing 3's etc - fun to watch. McDyess left, the Spurs won that lockout-shortened season, and my interest began to wane. I think in general the NBA is less interesting than it was 15 years ago for a lot of reasons.

Cardinals memories....Timm Rosenbach deciding he wanted to be a rodeo rider rather than an NFL QB...what more can you say.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:36 pm

Don't forget Steve Beuerlein and Mike Tomczak.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:04 pm

Maybe Sarver will buy the Cardinals.

azthrillhouse · Post by **azthrillhouse** » Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:41 am

catgrad97 wrote:Don't forget Steve Beuerlein and Mike Tomczak.

I did forget Tomczak but not Beurelein....Beurlein actually wasn't bad, but Buddy came in and decided he wasn't one of "his guys".

One of the refreshing things about Arians seems to be that there isn't any of that playing-favorites BS that was definitely present with Whiz, Denny, and Buddy - or at least, I haven't seen/heard any evidence of that yet. He certainly has brought in guys that he feels comfortable with from his prior experience, but it doesn't seem like that has resulted in any guys getting demoted or jettisoned purely because they weren't "his guys". Maybe I'm misremembering and just mainlining that red kool-aid right now.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:36 pm

Seahawks are putting it to the cardinals

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:47 pm

30-6...time to bench the starters for the second half and rest up for the divisional round

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:14 pm

I think we want the Vikings to win this game.
That would keep Seattle the #6 seed and the Cards wouldn't have to face Seattle or Carolina until the NFC championship game.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:02 pm

do we know if we are in the second weekend yet?

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:02 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:do we know if we are in the second weekend yet?

Yes #2 seed

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:41 pm

Good job Minnesota. First game will be in UoP vs. either GB, Minnesota, or Washington.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:42 pm

means we are the sat game right?

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:48 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:means we are the sat game right?

Yep

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:51 pm

The Cards have the easiest path through the NFC playoffs.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:10 am

azgreg wrote:The Cards have the easiest path through the NFC playoffs.

A small token from the football gods for playing in the much better division and playing an at least respectable 15th ranked schedule strength. Don't feel bad at all for the Panthers, whose schedule strength was ranked 29th. Seattle and Carolina games are always a grind in Carolina, and they will be hungry for revenge after completely choking an almost 3 TD lead earlier this year (when they weren't playing well). Id put my money on an Arizona-Seattle NFC title game in Phoenix.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:38 am

rgdeuce wrote:
azgreg wrote:The Cards have the easiest path through the NFC playoffs.
A small token from the football gods for playing in the much better division and playing an at least respectable 15th ranked schedule strength. Don't feel bad at all for the Panthers, whose schedule strength was ranked 29th. Seattle and Carolina games are always a grind in Carolina, and they will be hungry for revenge after completely choking an almost 3 TD lead earlier this year (when they weren't playing well). Id put my money on an Arizona-Seattle NFC title game in Phoenix.

I believe a number of the Cardinals are on record as wanting that as well.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:17 pm

This NFC Championship game is the first time I've seen the Cardinals play this year. They don't look very good. Maybe just lucky to make it this far and fans are grateful for that?

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:23 pm

They're about done, I'd say.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:25 pm

Longhorned wrote:This NFC Championship game is the first time I've seen the Cardinals play this year. They don't look very good. Maybe just lucky to make it this far and fans are grateful for that?

Defense has taken a step back after losing Honey Badger and Palmer hasn't been the same since he hurt his finger.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:30 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:
Longhorned wrote:This NFC Championship game is the first time I've seen the Cardinals play this year. They don't look very good. Maybe just lucky to make it this far and fans are grateful for that?
Defense has taken a step back after losing Honey Badger and Palmer hasn't been the same since he hurt his finger.

I thought the Cardinals got derailed by injuries last year. Anyway, Carolina looks pretty sharp - nice offensive line.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:31 pm

They can't get any pressure and when you give any NFL QB time he'll pick you apart.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:35 pm

So I'm guessing O-line isn't a strength for Arizona, but that was a nice run and I wouldn't be surprised if they get that part of the game going.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:35 pm

Longhorned wrote:
I thought the Cardinals got derailed by injuries last year.

They did. The curse of being a fan of any team in Arizona lately.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:39 pm

Let's not blame this latest Cardinals shortcoming on injuries. The team has imploded on both sides of the ball.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:40 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
I thought the Cardinals got derailed by injuries last year.

They did. The curse of being a fan of any team in Arizona lately.

The sports gods have no quota? Have they no shame? I still think the Ashley injury was overboard.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:20 pm

catgrad97 wrote:Let's not blame this latest Cardinals shortcoming on injuries. The team has imploded on both sides of the ball.

Especially Carson Palmer. I don't care about that last INT, the Panthers didn't need any help and he's given them the ball three times in the first half.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:25 pm

Seriously what the fuck has happened to Palmer

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:28 pm

I don't know much about Palmer earlier this season, but what's the advantage of keeping him in the game? That's one of the worst quarterbacks I've ever seen.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:32 pm

Longhorned wrote:I don't know much about Palmer earlier this season, but what's the advantage of keeping him in the game? That's one of the worst quarterbacks I've ever seen.

Believe it or not, as pocket of a passer as Palmer is, his backups suck worse. Wouldn't be surprised to see Bidwill go after RGIII this spring.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:39 pm

Is this TV announcer's name really Joe Buck?

Is that for real?

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:42 pm

Yes. He is the son of legendary CBS and St. Louis Cardinal voice Jack Buck.

He wrote a preview for Fox prior to the 1997 Final Four that said Arizona was the one team that didn't belong. I emailed him but he never manned up enough to respond and eat his words.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:51 pm

Joe buck sucks, yuge jock sniffer and wears a beard like a prepubescent male.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:07 pm

Pathetic showing this half, Fitzgerald included. Game was over after the first three-and-out.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:24 pm

The super bowl loss hurts worse than this.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:40 pm

To me this looks like house money. I can't imagine this Cardinals team as good enough to get this point, even though I know that can't be right. They look really poorly coached.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:46 pm

Seems about right, J. This is just not a big-game team and fooled a lot of fans into believing they had the depth to be contenders through a couple of injuries.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:48 pm

Put this old dog down.

Give Palmer his walking papers tomorrow.

Same ol' Cardinals.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:57 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:Put this old dog down.

Give Palmer his walking papers tomorrow.

Same ol' Cardinals.

Who can they get who's better?

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:01 pm

I mentioned RGIII, but really the organization just needs to get serious about developing a young athlete at QB. You don't win Super Bowls with 30-year-old free agent QBs.

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:05 pm

I heard Johnny "Football" Manziel is available!

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