Sean Miller

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:51 pm

rgdeuce wrote:Thats exactly what will happen LBD. Almost all players have these w their coaches at some point. And if you ask the player who their favorite coach is, a lot of them are going to be those coaches. I can guarantee TJ had these w CSM, ive seen him bark back at Brent Brown as a dispensable NBA rookie. ill spare everyone the details, but such is a case for me too and our last "convo" was something similar to this. I was a pussy at the time and transferred. A lesson was learned, ive never backed out of a big committment due to adversity since. I stopped by to say hi recently and ended up in his office for three hours and not once was any of that brought up. What the hell happens to Zeus in the business world when a superior or someone important addresses and issue or becomes demanding? "Relax." That will go over real well.

And this team is indeed a rollercoaster. That inconsistency is directly correlated with this team's defense. Scary how good this "transition year" team could be if they defended well

Well I doubt that he well get yelled and cursed at in front of the entire office unless he is embezzling company funds - Millenials don't take the same shit that older generations did. And if however he does respond is greeted with "Fuck you, motherfucker..." He probably ought to quit - and the boss who does it will likely be sent on a sabbatical and forced to participate in anger management therapy.

College sports and the professional business world are not the same thing. The lessons learned in the former can certainly be applied to the latter... but having a backbone and standing up for himself with serve Zeus well. I have had a few 'aggressive' bosses over the years, and the ONLY way to earn their respect was to stand up to them when challenged. Roll over and acquiesce - and you might as well get a headhunter on the phone immediately. They would think you were a pussy and steamroll you.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:25 pm

Wasnt insinuating hed get the Miller treatment. Let go, or pissing them off to be put in the doghouse to be shitted on for the rest of his time there, etc. Ive known plenty of people who gave a "relax" answer at the wrong time in the workplace who probably wish they hadn't.

MrMeow · Post by **MrMeow** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 7:59 am

KaibabKat wrote:Speak loudly and carry a little stick.

Excellent!! Brevity is the soul of wit, and KK wraps it up in one short sentence.

Miller is a good coach, we all recognize that, however, he has shown once again he is no Lute Olson. Lute carried a big stick because he knew that to control others he first must first control himself. That is a lesson Miller has yet to learn. One would think Larry Scott's $25K fine for similar behavior would be lesson enough, but apparently not. Time to grow up, coach.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:09 am

MrMeow wrote:
KaibabKat wrote:Speak loudly and carry a little stick.
Excellent!! Brevity is the soul of wit, and KK wraps it up in one short sentence.

Miller is a good coach, we all recognize that, however, he has shown once again he is no Lute Olson. Lute carried a big stick because he knew that to control others he first must first control himself. That is a lesson Miller has yet to learn. One would think Larry Scott's $25K fine for similar behavior would be lesson enough, but apparently not. Time to grow up, coach.

Oh boy, we're really wading in it now...

MrMeow · Post by **MrMeow** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:20 am

Excellent!! Brevity is the soul of wit, and KK wraps it up in one short sentence.

Miller is a good coach, we all recognize that, however, he has shown once again he is no Lute Olson. Lute carried a big stick because he knew that to control others he first must first control himself. That is a lesson Miller has yet to learn. One would think Larry Scott's $25K fine for similar behavior would be lesson enough, but apparently not. Time to grow up, coach.[/quote]

Oh boy, we're really wading in it now...[/quote]

Mike Stoops redux. Always counter productive.

Bear Down Vegas · Post by **Bear Down Vegas** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:00 am

Mike Stoops redux is maybe the worst take I've ever seen posted online in regards to Arizona basketball.

And that's saying something.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:19 am

Wow..so MrMeow has been personally offended by RR and Miller now.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:29 am

Love CSM, Love the fire, really disrespectful to say "relax" to coach during a tight game.

That being said, a bit over the top on Miller's end, IMO. As a whole, not good to see as a fan of the program (kinda like when you parents are fighting when your young)

One question I have is, has Miller earned it? (the right to behave aggressively to players in that manner during a game) K has a notorious mouth, but one could argue he's earned that right-not that its justified, but that the behavior is acceptable because of the coach's track record. It was accepted with Knight at Indiana, until it wasn't at TTech as the results in his new position did not meet that of his prior.

I admit, this is likely a stupid question, but just thinking outside the box.

Here's to some understanding among all parties, a commitment to excellence, forgetting and forgiving, and moving on/bearing down for a win tonight.

rough year for AZBB.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:47 am

It wasn't the teams finest moment and it wasn't CSM's finest moment either

I'm excited to see tonight's game. I expect a laser like focus from everyone

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:12 am

And the most overblown story of the year goes to.....

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:42 am

Bear Down Vegas wrote:Mike Stoops redux is maybe the worst take I've ever seen posted online in regards to Arizona basketball.

And that's saying something.

100% agree with you. That hot take was a cold turd.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:44 am

We need the JJ commitment to happen soon so this thread can get back to singing CSM's praises.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:57 am

SCCats wrote:
Bear Down Vegas wrote:Mike Stoops redux is maybe the worst take I've ever seen posted online in regards to Arizona basketball.

And that's saying something.
100% agree with you. That hot take was a cold turd.

If there was a Shit Take Hall of Fame, "Mike Stoops Redux" would get its own wing.

elriop20 · Post by **elriop20** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:22 pm

This is the dumbest story ever. Anyone who works in high stress environments experiences blow ups. It isn't personal or malice, but a coach doing everything possible to get his players in line.

The Butcher · Post by **The Butcher** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:33 pm

Bear Down Vegas wrote:Word is, Kaleb said, "Relax" to Coach when he got pulled. That's what made Miller lose it. And with good reason.

It makes sense too. Zeus had played a quite good game up until that point. He played crap defense on that play and showed no effort & coach pulled him because of it. So if he says, "relax" there....I can kinda see both sides. Especially Miller's. I'd have lost it there too. Coach isn't paid to relax. In fact...the very reason Tarc was getting pulled is because he was too relaxed.

This. Don't relax. Don't tell the coach to relax. F'ing ever. Especially when the entire team is giving a "relaxed" effort on defense.

Less "relax" and more IN-FUCKING-TENSITY.

God we miss TJ.

RazorsEdgeAZ · Post by **RazorsEdgeAZ** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:43 pm

Overblown story? Sure, probably. Is it a story? Yes, probably.

My opinion it's not the cursing out Tarczewski or the anger. It's the level of anger it got to. Saying "relax" to CSM not the smartest thing to do. But it's not the worst (not good, just not a "Shit, that was horrible disgusting so over the top thing Tarc said") thing to say to CSM either. Sure, get on Tarc, let him know who's the boss. Curse at him. But don't lose your handle on your emotions to where the assistants have to jump in a walk you away because they sensed it could get more out of hand. I assume this goes on more behind closed doors. Fine. But this was very public at a escalation level many not used to.

Look, if I saw Bobby Hurley doing the same, I would absolutely jump on Hurley for doing it. I mocked Hurley when he lost his temper and got kicked out of the AZ game couple weeks ago. No way I was going to defend Hurley and his temper. I'm sure ASU fans mocking CSM. Part of the rivalry.

Wasn't your normal CSM anger or frustration we're used to. This was different and many immediately thought it was different. Even Walton chimed in on it I think. Thus the story.

Many, many people online said right away that that was the most angered they've seen CSM. It was different to many. Story. National media picks it up, more story. That's what media does, manufacture drama. Again, story. Sure the players have thought about it. Sure other coaches thinking about it to negatively recruit against AZ with prospects.

All that noise Doesn't mean much. But I would bet it will be a long time before we see CSM approach a future situation to that level during a game.

dirtbags · Post by **dirtbags** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:52 pm

kaleb should've been all

amirite

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:07 pm

RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:Wasn't your normal CSM anger or frustration we're used to. This was different and many immediately thought it was different. Even Walton chimed in on it I think. Thus the story.

But this isn't different from how he's acted before. I'm not seeing how this is something out of the ordinary, or any different from how RichRod acts. It feels like people just want to blame our losses on Miller's anger, as if the players aren't playing as well because they're not used to being yelled at like this, when you know they've heard much worse behind closed doors.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:06 pm

AZCatGirl wrote:
RazorsEdgeAZ wrote:Wasn't your normal CSM anger or frustration we're used to. This was different and many immediately thought it was different. Even Walton chimed in on it I think. Thus the story.
But this isn't different from how he's acted before. I'm not seeing how this is something out of the ordinary, or any different from how RichRod acts. It feels like people just want to blame our losses on Miller's anger, as if the players aren't playing as well because they're not used to being yelled at like this, when you know they've heard much worse behind closed doors.

I don't blame the episode for the loss... at all.

And while we know Miller is fiery, I would not say this was normal. He'll get pissed, yell something (Parrom), sit the player down, and it is over. That happens all the time.

This time... He kept going back to KT - and would not let it go. Granted, Kaleb's response is what escalated it, but it was still something different. And I am pretty sure I never remember Miller calling a player an MF. Ref under his breath or out of earshot - yes. Screamed directly at a player's face - No.

prh · Post by **prh** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:11 pm

at salty implying Miller is not a leader. I can't believe this is even a story. You don't get to tell your coach to relax after making a mistake. Sports do not work like this, at any level. You gotta have a little fire to start a bonfire, let's see what this team is made of. All of us who have played sports have been part of something like this, and I've been on both teams that respond like champions and team that give up. I'd expect our players to respond like champions, and if they don't, then they don't deserve to wear "Arizona" across their chest.

Salty · Post by **Salty** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:06 pm

prh wrote: at salty implying Miller is not a leader. I can't believe this is even a story. You don't get to tell your coach to relax after making a mistake. Sports do not work like this, at any level. You gotta have a little fire to start a bonfire, let's see what this team is made of. All of us who have played sports have been part of something like this, and I've been on both teams that respond like champions and team that give up. I'd expect our players to respond like champions, and if they don't, then they don't deserve to wear "Arizona" across their chest.

This is pathetic.

Kaleb was out of line. But Miller's response was over the top. That wasn't coach trying to teach, encourage, or motivate his players, that was to belittle Tarc. You back the guy into a corner, and he's going to fight back.

Those of you making excuses for our coach's actions need to put down the rose colored glasses and realize that Sean Miller isn't above criticism.

The guy who is responsible for the players who wear "Arizona" across their chest is Seam Miller. His players are a direct representation of him, and if he can't control their behavior then that is his failure, nobody else's.

I hope coach can learn from his mistakes and move on.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:13 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:We need the JJ commitment to happen soon so this thread can get back to singing CSM's praises.

Think he (and other prospective recruits) is/are reading this?
Just asking..

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:15 pm

Haha, I almost forgot the lulz of one of Salty's sanctimonious anti-Miller posts.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:21 pm

HiCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:We need the JJ commitment to happen soon so this thread can get back to singing CSM's praises.
Think he (and other prospective recruits) is/are reading this?
Just asking..

No idea. But if he commits to AZ, it's going to give this program a big time momentum boost. A FF would help too!

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:50 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
HiCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:We need the JJ commitment to happen soon so this thread can get back to singing CSM's praises.
Think he (and other prospective recruits) is/are reading this?
Just asking..

No idea. But if he commits to AZ, it's going to give this program a big time momentum boost. A FF would help too!

Ditto, no idea. If guessing, I'd say no. Who knows, just hope to see a great game tonight, with Miller smiling a lot.

Salty · Post by **Salty** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:10 pm

Chicat wrote:Haha, I almost forgot the lulz of one of Salty's sanctimonious anti-Miller posts.

I'm all about coach Miller. But he's not above criticism.

MrMeow · Post by **MrMeow** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:19 pm

Larry Scott is laughing. Gets to say, I told you so. Time to grow up, coach.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:22 pm

MrMeow wrote:Larry Scott is laughing. Gets to say, I told you so. Time to grow up, coach.

I nominate this for worst post of the year.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:37 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:
MrMeow wrote:Larry Scott is laughing. Gets to say, I told you so. Time to grow up, coach.

I nominate this for worst post of the year.

This post would have very stiff competition from Mr. Meow's other posts on this page of this thread.

I can't really say which is the worst of the worst of a decent sampling of cold, cold turds.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:55 pm

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:38 pm

84Cat wrote:

Thanks for these 84cat and AGAIN for those few who constantly bash Miller for this incident.....again, you don't talk back, especially in the heat of battle,work, etc. like a heated Bball game....you DON'T talk back to your Coach, Superior Officer, Boss, Father, etc. when they are royally pissed and yelling at you....that's just stupid and I bet both he and Zeus cleared this up afterwards.

All this 'CSM is a bully..' , 'not a leader...' , 'isn't caressing the butts of these Millenials....' talk is for wimps who just don't 'get it'......especially in this day and age of the spoiled HS/College athletes and their egos. Granted, CSM came within a hair of going too far (and I'd wager he knew it) with that last bit where the pic of him in Zeus's face..,...but damn....telling CSM to 'relax' or whatever Zeus said was just dumb (and I'll bet Zeus knows this as well).

We've all made mistakes, said dumb things, acted inappropriately....(and hopefully learned from them and the repercussions afterwards as a result) but I trust CSM and would certainly want him, his leadership skills, and passion over anyone else at the helm of our beloved Arizona Porgram.

Enough said. BTFD.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:53 pm

Loved the presser tonight when he basically said no f*cks (can i say that?) are given about the whole thing, or what anyones opinion or perception was about it. This whole thing is ridiculous IMO. I respect the hell out of several of you who have a differing opinion, but 90 percent of the people running with this elsewhere are the ones who cannot finish a sentence about Sean Miller without throwing "Lute" in it, and fans of other Pac 12 teams/nonconference teams who lost out on a recruit to Miller looking for anything to talk shit about the guy.

There was this uncomfortable/awkward feeling inside of McKale today. Part of it was the sting of Thursdays loss, part of it was our lackluster play early, but most of it felt like awkwardness from thursdays CSM/Zeus spat. Hard to describe. Like watching your parents beat the crap out of each other in front of you and then 20 minutes later sitting down w them at the dinner table. The fans were super supportive for both pregame withe louder than normal cheers, seemingly forced as if to let them both know they love them and arent taking sides. Thought that was cool regardless

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:36 am

Miller looked happier in the presser. During the game, appeared okay with Zeus..all seems good again. Going forward, can't wait to see AT back on the court soon.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:18 am

I am amused by the recent posts in this thread....I had lunch with my mom this weekend, who reminded me that when I was young my dad often coached my teams and basically used to yell at me for whatever the team did/did not do, because he knew I could take it and that he and I would still be good.

That's basically what Miller did with Kaleb the other night...move on.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:31 am

Not sure if my dad ever called me a motherf--ker, but he called me everything else, sometimes affectionately and sometimes when he was pissed. He left me alone when he coached me unless I did something really stupid, like get ejected from a game. Could havr handled it though, cuz he was intense at home

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:33 am

not AYSO and no everyone doesnt get a trophy

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:39 am

This CSM/KT "incident" is getting a lot of attention, mainly negative. I don't really think this hurts JJ's recruitment, or recruiting in general, but it probably doesn't help.

Miller is who he is. If you're still on the fence about whether to embrace him as our coach, you're probably never going to be satisfied. He's got us right where Lute had us in terms of national prestige and status. No FF yet, but I don't consider that a blemish on his otherwise stellar resume.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:43 am

I used to coach my son's teams when they were growing up. I was always yelling at the better players, even grabbed one by the arm one time for not listening to me. Once they reached junior high though I had to quit, hated the teen insolence.

Don't do it CSM! NBA players don't listen!

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:50 am

rgdeuce wrote:Not sure if my dad ever called me a motherf--ker, but he called me everything else, sometimes affectionately and sometimes when he was pissed. He left me alone when he coached me unless I did something really stupid, like get ejected from a game. Could havr handled it though, cuz he was intense at home

That would just be a weird insult for me to hear from my dad.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:59 am

I told my JV baseball coach to "take a chill pill" once. I honestly thought he was going to beat me to death with a fungo bat.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:01 pm

Chicat wrote:I told my JV baseball coach to "take a chill pill" once. I honestly thought he was going to beat me to death with a fungo bat.

Yeah, telling a pissed off coach to relax never goes well for a player. It's like trying to put a fire out with gasoline.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:03 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
rgdeuce wrote:Not sure if my dad ever called me a motherf--ker, but he called me everything else, sometimes affectionately and sometimes when he was pissed. He left me alone when he coached me unless I did something really stupid, like get ejected from a game. Could havr handled it though, cuz he was intense at home
That would just be a weird insult for me to hear from my dad.

Oedipus Wrecks Mom.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:10 pm

Chicat wrote:I told my JV baseball coach to "take a chill pill" once. I honestly thought he was going to beat me to death with a fungo bat.

LMAO

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:15 pm

I've never seen CSM as an NBA guy.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:28 pm

gumby wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
rgdeuce wrote:Not sure if my dad ever called me a motherf--ker, but he called me everything else, sometimes affectionately and sometimes when he was pissed. He left me alone when he coached me unless I did something really stupid, like get ejected from a game. Could havr handled it though, cuz he was intense at home
That would just be a weird insult for me to hear from my dad.
Oedipus Wrecks Mom.

"Yeah, well it takes one to know..."

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:30 pm

Apologies for the liberal arts reference.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:37 pm

gumby wrote:
Apologies for the liberal arts reference.

Long as you paid for it yourself and didn't take any federal or state money.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:37 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:This CSM/KT "incident" is getting a lot of attention, mainly negative. I don't really think this hurts JJ's recruitment, or recruiting in general, but it probably doesn't help.

Miller is who he is. If you're still on the fence about whether to embrace him as our coach, you're probably never going to be satisfied. He's got us right where Lute had us in terms of national prestige and status. No FF yet, but I don't consider that a blemish on his otherwise stellar resume.

Absolutely no bearing on JJ or Rawle whatsoever. They have both seen it and experienced it over and over, and JJ knows he will see the same from Self and Izzo and his future NBA coaches. After you get the first one out of the way, those situations rarely have an effect on you other than reminding you what is expected and to get your shit together. You dont hear "motherf*cker" you hear the voice in your head sayin "oh sh*t, that pissed him off, better step it up."

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:38 pm

gumby wrote:
Apologies for the liberal arts reference.

I never understood why Oedipus thought that was the best course of action to take vengeance on himself. I think there were other organs that failed him more dramatically.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:50 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
rgdeuce wrote:Not sure if my dad ever called me a motherf--ker, but he called me everything else, sometimes affectionately and sometimes when he was pissed. He left me alone when he coached me unless I did something really stupid, like get ejected from a game. Could havr handled it though, cuz he was intense at home
That would just be a weird insult for me to hear from my dad.

Thats why friends thought my dad was the greatest dude ever. No filter on the mouth and a temper. I had to pull him off a Phillies fan at a Padres game a few years back, my dad was probably 58 and the kid was in his early 30s.

My dad called me dick breath in front of my prom date; when I got my ear pierced (parents told me no, did it anyway) he told me I looked like a (homosexual slur) in front of my entire team; there was another time I was around 20, can't remember what I said, but I remember it was something mean that would dig into any father's soul, and he called me a "f*cking ungrateful cocksucker." Different times for sure.

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