michcat wrote:Zags desevered it. They are a complete team with a great coach.
This is going to come across as salty but i dont care.
Fuck Gonzaga. Mark Few didnt earn shit. First off, this team starts three upper classman transfers. Guys really put in that work. Their fourth starter, a fat fuck, by the greatest of luck in the world gets injured early enough in his senior season to qualify for a medical redshirt.
As if that wasnt enough of a dump in Mark Fews lap, the dude wins a couple of good nonconference games and wraps things up by getting Arizona without Trier and PJC, before hopping into their pansy ass conference and hitting cruise control, still somehow losing to BYU at home. So they get a 1 seed, barely skate by a team that shot maybe 27 percent in a game and fouled the living hell out of them all night and go to an elite 8 where they get the joke of the school that we somehow lost to, partially thanks to a freak finger injury to Alkins playing the other pansy school from their conference. We pissed away our golden path but the truth is, theirs was the absolute golden one. No disrespect to the squad they face to skate into the title game, but naturally, a 7 seed who cant keep up offensively. And then they have a 50/50 chance of playing a 3 seed playing essentially six guys for a national title (i still think Oregon would bend them over). I mean, we played more tough games in our conference schedule alone then they will have to play all season, including the tournament, to get to a final four
Oregon and Altman have earned it. Mark Few is the guy who took the easy road for over a decade and failed repeatedlt and finally saw the stars align in one perfect season.
This is all fine and dandy rg, and I totally respect many of your takes but the reality is few kept it all on track where Miller didn't. Miller is probably the better coach and few was gift tons luck, but at the end of it all were here sitting home while the zags moved on.
And we couldn't get it together enough to beat the team that they creamed today. That's not luck. Ftr the way the zags looked today, we are probably going home had we had to play them.
CalStateTempe wrote:My hot take has nothing to do with geography and more with the style of play to the coaches. Alford is an idiot with no control so you can do what you want. Alford is a great coach who give you the freedom to create. Miller ball is pack line and motion offense but despite having similar level of talent relative to Oregon, is less enthusiastic over letting his throughbreds run.
If your a top talent, Oregon>ucla>Arizona, as it stands after this tourney, imho
Yes, Oregon lost Boucher, but they already have what they lost in him. Plenty of outside shooting and another presence around the rim/protector. They lost a luxury. Amazing coaching job by Altman, who were already knew was a great coach. But lets not pretend he pulled off a miracle here. Pac 12 POY, a guy who is playing like the POY right now, and a great 15th year senior, Bell, Pritchard. Thats still a damn good starting five. And of course, sixth man is a dude that started for them last year.
ive brought this up before, but Altman is super successful because he doesnt have the turnover Miller does. Think hes had two big names leave early and i dont think any were after freshman or soph years. Guys stay four years at Oregon. So in terms of recruiting, I wouldnt worry too much. If Altman wants to put on his big boy pants and recruit w the blue bloods then so be it. He hasnt proven he can, he hasnt proven he can win like that, and it isnt like hes developing guys into NBA players. If you want to win in college, Altman is a great choice. But most top 30 guys are looking beyond that and that is why they mostly go to a handful of particular coaches. No knock on Altman but until I see him do, Im not super worried.
Arizona is still the gold standard out west, program and recruiting. Until UCLA or Oregon strings off 6 or 7 top classes in a row, that will not change. Until Oregon continues what theyve been doing the last few years for an extended period, they are still 2nd or 3rd fiddle in the conference. After wisconsins 14 and 15 success, are they the crown jewel of the big 10? Oregon wins their way and we win ours. There wont this huge overlap IMO. But, if there is then bring it on. Its good for us to have Oregon and UCLA joining us in the top 10 every year. The ACC is big enough for Duke and North Carolina and Louisville (and a slew of others). More guys will want to come here if and when we get that type of situation going
michcat wrote:Zags desevered it. They are a complete team with a great coach.
This is going to come across as salty but i dont care.
Fuck Gonzaga. Mark Few didnt earn shit. First off, this team starts three upper classman transfers. Guys really put in that work. Their fourth starter, a fat fuck, by the greatest of luck in the world gets injured early enough in his senior season to qualify for a medical redshirt.
As if that wasnt enough of a dump in Mark Fews lap, the dude wins a couple of good nonconference games and wraps things up by getting Arizona without Trier and PJC, before hopping into their pansy ass conference and hitting cruise control, still somehow losing to BYU at home. So they get a 1 seed, barely skate by a team that shot maybe 27 percent in a game and fouled the living hell out of them all night and go to an elite 8 where they get the joke of the school that we somehow lost to, partially thanks to a freak finger injury to Alkins playing the other pansy school from their conference. We pissed away our golden path but the truth is, theirs was the absolute golden one. No disrespect to the squad they face to skate into the title game, but naturally, a 7 seed who cant keep up offensively. And then they have a 50/50 chance of playing a 3 seed playing essentially six guys for a national title (i still think Oregon would bend them over). I mean, we played more tough games in our conference schedule alone then they will have to play all season, including the tournament, to get to a final four
Oregon and Altman have earned it. Mark Few is the guy who took the easy road for over a decade and failed repeatedlt and finally saw the stars align in one perfect season.
Good take RG. I agree Few was given a golden path to the FF but that win against WV was impressive and hard fought. I don't think anyone wanted to play those dudes in this tournament. Now lets see how he does against the big boys and I hope to see a Ore / Gonz final.
This is what college basketball has become. You lose both players and your back to rebuild mode. You get them back and you are one of the top teams in the country.
This is what college basketball has become. You lose both players and your back to rebuild mode. You get them back and you are one of the top teams in the country.
Lauri would come back to college if he was at Oregon or some place other than Arizona.
This is what college basketball has become. You lose both players and your back to rebuild mode. You get them back and you are one of the top teams in the country.
This is what college basketball has become. You lose both players and your back to rebuild mode. You get them back and you are one of the top teams in the country.
Pretty much.
And that's sort of why I think we need to modify our recruiting strategy just a little bit, to try and increase the chances guys come back for their second and even third years.
This shot clock issue is making this game super shitty.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
South Carolina, now there is a Cinderella. Frank Martin is a hell of a coach. The cocks are coming to AZ
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gotta admit, that ending surprised me. figured uk was really done, and they made a heck of a game out of it. of course north carolina responded at the end. heck of a finish.
It's long past time to bring this back to the court, let's do it with a small update:
It's going to be a good FF. I don't hate any of the teams. UNC is my favorite of the 4 elites (UNC, UK, KU, Duke). I want to see an Oregon/Gonzaga championship game.
South Carolina lighting in a bottle, I'm cool with them winning it all.
Altman, no thanks would crush me to see Nike you get a chip before Arizona.
UNC no thanks, their fans are insufferable enough
Zags, I'm cool with them get A chip, real apparent downside for uofa and it would reward few/the zags, no matter how lucky they are with this season.
Catintheheat wrote:It's going to be a good FF. I don't hate any of the teams. UNC is my favorite of the 4 elites (UNC, UK, KU, Duke). I want to see an Oregon/Gonzaga championship game.
Don't hate of these teams? Never have seen Oregon fans in person eh? How much better is it going to be if they have a basketball NC?
I also remember USC's large racial slur section during the CWS. They are the ASU of the Carolinas. They never cared about basketball, so they don't deserve to win.
Gonzaga is fine, but they win and they emerge as an even stronger recruiting enemy.
By process of elimination the only non-terrible team is UNC and their fake classes.
michcat wrote:Zags desevered it. They are a complete team with a great coach.
This is going to come across as salty but i dont care.
Fuck Gonzaga. Mark Few didnt earn shit. First off, this team starts three upper classman transfers. Guys really put in that work. Their fourth starter, a fat fuck, by the greatest of luck in the world gets injured early enough in his senior season to qualify for a medical redshirt.
As if that wasnt enough of a dump in Mark Fews lap, the dude wins a couple of good nonconference games and wraps things up by getting Arizona without Trier and PJC, before hopping into their pansy ass conference and hitting cruise control, still somehow losing to BYU at home. So they get a 1 seed, barely skate by a team that shot maybe 27 percent in a game and fouled the living hell out of them all night and go to an elite 8 where they get the joke of the school that we somehow lost to, partially thanks to a freak finger injury to Alkins playing the other pansy school from their conference. We pissed away our golden path but the truth is, theirs was the absolute golden one. No disrespect to the squad they face to skate into the title game, but naturally, a 7 seed who cant keep up offensively. And then they have a 50/50 chance of playing a 3 seed playing essentially six guys for a national title (i still think Oregon would bend them over). I mean, we played more tough games in our conference schedule alone then they will have to play all season, including the tournament, to get to a final four
Oregon and Altman have earned it. Mark Few is the guy who took the easy road for over a decade and failed repeatedlt and finally saw the stars align in one perfect season.
This is all fine and dandy rg, and I totally respect many of your takes but the reality is few kept it all on track where Miller didn't. Miller is probably the better coach and few was gift tons luck, but at the end of it all were here sitting home while the zags moved on.
And we couldn't get it together enough to beat the team that they creamed today. That's not luck. Ftr the way the zags looked today, we are probably going home had we had to play them.
Just because we shit the bed doesnt mean all does not apply to Few. Remember, before this season, this was a guy who was given a 1,2 or 3 seed five times and failed to get past the round of 32 in three of the five. Fews job was 100x easier than Millers was all season.
And you may be right bout going home but you never know. Maybe thats a night where the shots go in. I personally think our guys were looking ahead in the xavier game and thought they were going to coast by xavier. Doubt the same team would have showed up against gonzaga
Lmao. Yea im rooting for the gamecocks and UNC. From there, either is fine w me, as a UNC win meams two duke losses. I personally have never had a problem w the oregon fans but maybe im just crossing paths w the right ones
Spaceman Spiff wrote:Everyone craps on the Pac because we have zero NC's since '97. Go Oregon, I guess.
This is a really unenthusiastic vote for the Ducks.
Why do we need to root for other Pac teams? I can tell you most Oregons fans could care less about us. We don't need their success to help us recruit. They have gone far enough to give the Pac exposure.
Would you feel the same if in some bizzaro universe ASU was in the NC? The Pac-12 brotherhood crap only goes so far, before we are just morons for swallowing it.
Spaceman Spiff wrote:Everyone craps on the Pac because we have zero NC's since '97. Go Oregon, I guess.
This is a really unenthusiastic vote for the Ducks.
Why do we need to root for other Pac teams? I can tell you most Oregons fans could care less about us. We don't need their success to help us recruit. They have gone far enough to give the Pac exposure.
Would you feel the same if in some bizzaro universe ASU was in the NC? The Pac-12 brotherhood crap only goes so far, before we are just morons for swallowing it.
X1000%. Add to that some of the dbag players as well....am already sick that Nike U made a FF before Sean and no way do I want them to advance any further! Really hoping they flameout vs UNC.....and that took a lot to say seeing as how UNC is getting away with murder vs the NCAA
There is absolutely no reason we should cheer for Oregon. No, their fans would not cheer for us. They would be busy thinking about football. RG, damn I'm 100% agreement about Gonzaga. It's an unpopular take but man I don't know why people slobber over them. I don't care about SC, we beat them at baseball, and I don't lump Coastal in there (as we shouldn't be lumped with any of the other 3 programs in Arizona). I'd prefer to see a UNC SC final.
Spaceman Spiff wrote:Everyone craps on the Pac because we have zero NC's since '97. Go Oregon, I guess.
This is a really unenthusiastic vote for the Ducks.
Why do we need to root for other Pac teams? I can tell you most Oregons fans could care less about us. We don't need their success to help us recruit. They have gone far enough to give the Pac exposure.
Would you feel the same if in some bizzaro universe ASU was in the NC? The Pac-12 brotherhood crap only goes so far, before we are just morons for swallowing it.
I root against ASU at all times. The rest of the Pac I root for.
The lack of a NC since 97 gets held up all the time as evidence the Pac sucks. That gets used to decrease the importance of our wins in the league. This has nothing to do with "brotherhood." The more highly regarded Oregon is, the more it helps us to beat them next year. I want them to be highly regarded and I want to beat them next year and get a major bump from it.
