Sean Miller

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:17 am

Bordercat wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Bordercat wrote:btw... a true example of doing less with more us Udub.

The talent they have is unreal. How did they underachieve so badly?
Lost their PG in the middle of the season and had nothing else resembling a PG on roster to replace him.
I don't buy that. Not to the level they underperformed with their talent.

By all means shit on them, you won't get an argument from me.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:28 am

I really just wish the NCAA would make their ruling like.... today.... so we could start this ball rolling....

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:38 am

What’s the over/under on number of years till our next FF? If you’d told me in ‘01, “so we won’t be back here for several decades,” I’d have laughed and mocked the very idea.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:45 am

Alieberman wrote:I really just wish the NCAA would make their ruling like.... today.... so we could start this ball rolling....

We could start it rolling regardless.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:52 am

Beachcat97 wrote:What’s the over/under on number of years till our next FF? If you’d told me in ‘01, “so we won’t be back here for several decades,” I’d have laughed and mocked the very idea.

Probably the same odds now as UA FB making it to the Rose Bowl. Can't see the UA ever making it out of the first weekend with Miller as coach now.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:30 am

Beachcat97 wrote:What’s the over/under on number of years till our next FF? If you’d told me in ‘01, “so we won’t be back here for several decades,” I’d have laughed and mocked the very idea.

Yeah back in like 2002 not many Arizona fans would think it would end up being decades and decades until we went back.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:05 am

I just can’t imagine having that much money and wanting to stick around for an all-encompassing job that’s come apart at the seams. You can just talk on TV and keep earning without all the grief.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:51 am

Longhorned wrote:I just can’t imagine having that much money and wanting to stick around for an all-encompassing job that’s come apart at the seams. You can just talk on TV and keep earning without all the grief.

Miller would have to admit he's failed in order to make that transition (without being fired, I mean) and I don't think he's the kind of guy who is capable of doing that.

SabinoDrifter · Post by **SabinoDrifter** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:23 pm

Longhorned wrote:I just can’t imagine having that much money and wanting to stick around for an all-encompassing job that’s come apart at the seams. You can just talk on TV and keep earning without all the grief.

So I had a Facebook memory pop up this week, before we moved to Tucson from Phoenix, my wife and I were able to catch the Stanford-UA game on Gabe York's senior day when he absolutely lit them up from 3. Four years later, Gabe is still the last player that I genuinely said, damn I am going to miss that guy. Pretty fucking damning, IMO.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:36 pm

Was there as well. Got teary eyed for Gabe and Zeus.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:40 pm

SabinoDrifter wrote:
Longhorned wrote:I just can’t imagine having that much money and wanting to stick around for an all-encompassing job that’s come apart at the seams. You can just talk on TV and keep earning without all the grief.
So I had a Facebook memory pop up this week, before we moved to Tucson from Phoenix, my wife and I were able to catch the Stanford-UA game on Gabe York's senior day when he absolutely lit them up from 3. Four years later, Gabe is still the last player that I genuinely said, damn I am going to miss that guy. Pretty fucking damning, IMO.

It means if you were a senior at U of A now your good times that make you love college would have no associations with basketball.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:45 pm

Longhorned wrote:I just can’t imagine having that much money and wanting to stick around for an all-encompassing job that’s come apart at the seams. You can just talk on TV and keep earning without all the grief.

When John Madden went into the booth after being fired by the Raiders he said that he would never go back into coaching. High pressure 70 hour work weeks turns into 20 hour work weeks with very little pressure.

Of course Miller has no hobbies, so would probably need to pick one up.

BBQ wildcat · Post by **BBQ wildcat** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:54 pm

This season has been disappointing. A couple of seemingly overrated, or at least very, very inconsistent, freshmen, a couple of seemingly overrated transfers, and a couple of missing players who would have been starters (Williams & Doutrive). But I am sure no one on this board is remotely as disappointed as Miller.

I'm not ready to give up on Miller and I hope his breakthrough will be here at Arizona.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:17 pm

BBQ wildcat wrote:This season has been disappointing. A couple of seemingly overrated, or at least very, very inconsistent, freshmen, a couple of seemingly overrated transfers, and a couple of missing players who would have been starters (Williams & Doutrive). But I am sure no one on this board is remotely as disappointed as Miller.

I'm not ready to give up on Miller and I hope his breakthrough will be here at Arizona.

1 bad season is a down year, 2 seasons is disappointing, 3 seasons is a very concerning pattern...4 down seasons in a row is beyond grounds for termination.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:17 pm

If our three freshmen were coming back next season, our perspective for this season would be totally different. And that’s so frustrating to know that our freshmen won’t see a minute of playing time in the League next year but better college players will be back beating Arizona next season as upperclassmen.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:26 pm

zonagrad wrote:If our three freshmen were coming back next season, our perspective for this season would be totally different. And that’s so frustrating to know that our freshmen won’t see a minute of playing time in the League next year but better college players will be back beating Arizona next season as upperclassmen.

Yeah thats the thing for me. we have this good class of freshmen that almost all underperform and the team is mediocre this year...then they leave to all go be benchwarmers and d-leaguers. Next year, as of now, we'll be no better than we are this year.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:29 pm

Probably a silly question, but is there any — and I mean ANY — chance that one of our freshmen comes back? If not, then yeah, it’s just a vicious cycle we’re in that never produces the desired outcome.

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:38 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Probably a silly question, but is there any — and I mean ANY — chance that one of our freshmen comes back? If not, then yeah, it’s just a vicious cycle we’re in that never produces the desired outcome.

By all observations, seems like this year is a pretty weak draft class. Thus, most likely all 3 will be drafted round 1. if they test the waters and get a 1st round guarantee in the process, then can you blame them for leaving?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:38 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Probably a silly question, but is there any — and I mean ANY — chance that one of our freshmen comes back? If not, then yeah, it’s just a vicious cycle we’re in that never produces the desired outcome.

Chance Zeke comes back, although it isn't likely.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:38 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Probably a silly question, but is there any — and I mean ANY — chance that one of our freshmen comes back? If not, then yeah, it’s just a vicious cycle we’re in that never produces the desired outcome.

If someone tells them they’re at least 3 years away from being able to play against grown MEN in the NBA.

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:45 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Probably a silly question, but is there any — and I mean ANY — chance that one of our freshmen comes back? If not, then yeah, it’s just a vicious cycle we’re in that never produces the desired outcome.
Chance Zeke comes back, although it isn't likely.

Probably the one player who could help his stock the most. Similar to a Dwill type sophomoric rise. If he continues to improve his perimeter game, he has a chance move to the top half of the 1st round. I would love to have Zeke back. Totally understand him jumping to the NBA and capitalizing on his increasing his stock to a late first round prospect

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:45 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Probably a silly question, but is there any — and I mean ANY — chance that one of our freshmen comes back? If not, then yeah, it’s just a vicious cycle we’re in that never produces the desired outcome.
Chance Zeke comes back, although it isn't likely.

He’s the best of the three, imo.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:51 pm

Frybry02 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Probably a silly question, but is there any — and I mean ANY — chance that one of our freshmen comes back? If not, then yeah, it’s just a vicious cycle we’re in that never produces the desired outcome.
Chance Zeke comes back, although it isn't likely.
Probably the one player who could help his stock the most. Similar to a Dwill type sophomoric rise. If he continues to improve his perimeter game, he has a chance move to the top half of the 1st round. I would love to have Zeke back. Totally understand him jumping to the NBA and capitalizing on his increasing his stock to a late first round prospect

Line of thought is to show more consistency from 3 to boost his stock. I wouldn't count on it, but the hope ain't dead.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:54 pm

Frybry02 wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Probably a silly question, but is there any — and I mean ANY — chance that one of our freshmen comes back? If not, then yeah, it’s just a vicious cycle we’re in that never produces the desired outcome.
By all observations, seems like this year is a pretty weak draft class. Thus, most likely all 3 will be drafted round 1. if they test the waters and get a 1st round guarantee in the process, then can you blame them for leaving?

We won’t blame them for leaving, and we’ll ask that we’re not blamed for being tired of recruiting players that give the program nothing because they’re too good for college basketball to develop into winning college basketball players.

Some people told us this was the path to success. We don’t believe them anymore.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:02 pm

Pretty sure Ziaire is OAD. Maybe use that scholarship on a guy who wants to stay in college longer?

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:38 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Pretty sure Ziaire is OAD. Maybe use that scholarship on a guy who wants to stay in college longer?

Mentioned it a couple times, but Miller not going after Jaylen Clark is exhibit A of him just not understanding what this program is missing and what types of players he would succeed with. Hunting OnD players and not recruiting the exact type of 4-year player that would be hugely successful in Miller's system...it signals to me that Miller still just doesn't get it.

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:57 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Probably a silly question, but is there any — and I mean ANY — chance that one of our freshmen comes back? If not, then yeah, it’s just a vicious cycle we’re in that never produces the desired outcome.

No way - these freshman (Nico & Green especially) want to get the hell out of Tucson. Like, fast.

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:59 pm

BTW, this website is such a breath of fresh air from another site that I post on and subscribe to.

A lot of people over there are content with the shit we have continued to see from Miller and this program. They have taken on the loser blood mentality that Miller has developed this program into.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:17 pm

I am undecided on the OAD's. Having three of them is definitely not the norm for us. The thing I worry about the most is the negative culture it can bring into your program.
I am starting to sour quickly on the grad transfers. Most of these young men are everything you want in your program, but they are adding to the roster turnover problem. No disrepect to Stone. He has been my favorite grad transfer.

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:20 pm

Dave wrote:I am undecided on the OAD's. Having three of them is definitely not the norm for us. The thing I worry about the most is the negative culture it can bring into your program.
I am starting to sour quickly on the grad transfers. Most of these young men are everything you want in your program, but they are adding to the roster turnover problem. No disrepect to Stone. He has been my favorite grad transfer.

Stone is definitely a kid that you'd like to have around for another couple seasons.

OAD's can have an amazing impact on your program if the rest of the roster makeup is done correctly (like in 2013-14 and 2014-15). Unfortunately, Miller has done an absolutely terrible job in making up this roster over the last 4-5 seasons...and it isn't going to be any different next season.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:07 pm

Dave wrote:I am undecided on the OAD's. Having three of them is definitely not the norm for us. The thing I worry about the most is the negative culture it can bring into your program.
I am starting to sour quickly on the grad transfers. Most of these young men are everything you want in your program, but they are adding to the roster turnover problem. No disrepect to Stone. He has been my favorite grad transfer.

Can't blame these grad transfers who are used to traveling to games by bus now get chartered jet flights and stay at the best hotels.

I work at Cal Poly SLO, and for many years staff were allowed to share the same locker room as all the athletes, outside of wrestling who had their own locker room being PAC-12. If you saw it, you would shocked how bad it is, looks like the same locker room I had in high school gym class.

Then you see this...

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:58 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Pretty sure Ziaire is OAD. Maybe use that scholarship on a guy who wants to stay in college longer?

Arizona is going to need him to be competitive next year to say the least.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:59 pm

goslingswagg wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Pretty sure Ziaire is OAD. Maybe use that scholarship on a guy who wants to stay in college longer?
Mentioned it a couple times, but Miller not going after Jaylen Clark is exhibit A of him just not understanding what this program is missing and what types of players he would succeed with. Hunting OnD players and not recruiting the exact type of 4-year player that would be hugely successful in Miller's system...it signals to me that Miller still just doesn't get it.

Prioritizing a fringe top 100 guy, who's pretty much a 3 point shooter only, who refuses to commit to you, although he's been cockteasing as much forever now, over Clark who is a perfect fit for every thing you do, is such a Sean Miller move.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:03 pm

Have you seen the visitors locker room at the football stadium?

I can’t believe a P5 has something like that.
I’m pretty sure most local high schools are nicer.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:03 pm

Take the medicine now. Recruit the best possible talent that fits your system.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:19 pm

I guess that's easier said than done when your job is on the line.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:12 am

Lute's ex-players still to do this day come to Tucson and to the UofA to maintain their connection.

How many of Sean's ex players do the same?

I may be wrong, but it doesn't seem like it happens all too often.

midnightx · Post by **midnightx** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:20 am

Beachcat97 wrote:Pretty sure Ziaire is OAD. Maybe use that scholarship on a guy who wants to stay in college longer?

Not sure why Ziaire would want any part of this. Apparently he wants to stay out west, so who knows, maybe he will view it as the best option because of the location and fan-base (it is hard to know if a teenager cares about the historical culture of the program, that mostly took place before he was born). UCLA has no fan support. USC is USC. Oregon would seem to be the best option in terms of being a somewhat vibrant program at the moment, but then one is stuck in Eugene.

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:22 am

Kyle Fogg was there Saturday.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:25 am

Grant Jarrett called it...

Arizona is a pit stop under miller

From point guard U to a players program to a pit stop over 12 years.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:27 am

CalStateTempe wrote:Grant Jarrett called it...

Arizona is a pit stop under miller

From point guard U to a players program to a pit stop over 12 years.

Did Jerrett really say that? Wow.

I mean, I gotta think Calipari's players see UK much the same way. And plenty of K's too.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:29 am

gronk4heisman wrote:Kyle Fogg was there Saturday.

Lute recruit? I don't recall KO or Pennell recruiting anyone of note.

I imagine you will see a lot of old time UA players coming into town with Lute in such poor health.

Think Steve Kerr was in town a month ago to see Lute.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:48 am

Merkin wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:Kyle Fogg was there Saturday.
Lute recruit? I don't recall KO or Pennell recruiting anyone of note.

I imagine you will see a lot of old time UA players coming into town with Lute in such poor health.

Think Steve Kerr was in town a month ago to see Lute.

I've been wondering if Lute's absence from McKale was due to health or our godawful team.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:51 am

There's just not the sense of an Arizona family anymore... and that makes me sad.

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:07 pm

Alieberman wrote:There's just not the sense of an Arizona family anymore... and that makes me sad.

I would venture to guess that 90% of this team does not even know where Sean Miller lives versus Lute's house being like a second home for his players.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:09 pm

gronk4heisman wrote:
Alieberman wrote:There's just not the sense of an Arizona family anymore... and that makes me sad.
I would venture to guess that 90% of this team does not even know where Sean Miller lives versus Lute's house being like a second home for his players.

Sean actually hosts regular get togethers for the players at his house.

I know shit looks bleak, but let’s not assume things that are not in evidence.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:13 pm

Chicat wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:
Alieberman wrote:There's just not the sense of an Arizona family anymore... and that makes me sad.
I would venture to guess that 90% of this team does not even know where Sean Miller lives versus Lute's house being like a second home for his players.
Sean actually hosts regular get togethers for the players at his house.

I know shit looks bleak, but let’s not assume things that are not in evidence.

I did not know that. Good to know.

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:14 pm

Chicat wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:
Alieberman wrote:There's just not the sense of an Arizona family anymore... and that makes me sad.
I would venture to guess that 90% of this team does not even know where Sean Miller lives versus Lute's house being like a second home for his players.
Sean actually hosts regular get togethers for the players at his house.

I know shit looks bleak, but let’s not assume things that are not in evidence.

Glad to hear I am wrong.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:00 pm

Merkin wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:Kyle Fogg was there Saturday.
Lute recruit? I don't recall KO or Pennell recruiting anyone of note.

I imagine you will see a lot of old time UA players coming into town with Lute in such poor health.

Think Steve Kerr was in town a month ago to see Lute.

Mike Dunlap recruit.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:04 pm

Let’s not write revisionist history just to support your point. Lute’s players didn’t particularly like him when they were in school. He always held himself aloof from them when they traveled. Bobbi was the one to create the family culture. The respect and love came after they left.

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