Sean Miller

[pc in NM]

Anyone have $3.5M laying around??

If you do you can buy Sean Millers house

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6015 ... 8168_zpid/

Wretched excess!!

[Merkin]

Canned enchilada sauce? How very disappointing.

House is a little underwhelming for that price. Along with I really hate TVs over fireplaces.

In truth, Lute had a much nicer house with great views.

[RaisingArizona]

Canned enchilada sauce? How very disappointing.

House is a little underwhelming for that price. Along with I really hate TVs over fireplaces.

In truth, Lute had a much nicer house with great views.

The indoor-outdoor space is awesome. The 19th century French like decor of the interior, not so much.

[dovecanyoncat]

Not enough wine on the rack for me.
Next.

I like the way you think, but ya gotta admit, it depends on which vintages are there. I'll say this much, I spend a lot of time slutting around on RE websites, and something you'll NEVER find is a home for sale in '22 that is materially no different than the price paid in '09. Coach wants out and he ain't interested in squeezing the market for all that it's worth.

[U.P. Zona Fan]

After looking at the pics of that place, I was surprised at the price, I thought it looked more like 5 , but I don't know anything. And I don't know what he paid for it.

[scumdevils86]

It's so gaudy and like has olive garden vibes. Yeesh

[scumdevils86]

He paid $3.25 million in 2009

[scumdevils86]

In Tucson at least, I seem to find once a house is over a million dollars it is usually ugly as sin inside. Maybe I'm just a poor dullard though.

[dovecanyoncat]

After looking at the pics of that place, I was surprised at the price, I thought it looked more like 5 , but I don't know anything. And I don't know what he paid for it.

Right again. It's hard to find anything that hasn't increased in price by at least 50% since 2018.

[SabinoDrifter]

Anyone have $3.5M laying around??

If you do you can buy Sean Millers house

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6015 ... 8168_zpid/

If I had enough money to play La Paloma, I could hit one into his backyard.

[Jefe]

Sounds like Brigger is staying with AZ but Ryan Anderson may be headed to Xavier

[Longhorned]

It's so gaudy and like has olive garden vibes. Yeesh

I call that aesthetic, "pseudo-Mediterranean Country Crock".

[Jefe]

[Spaceman Spiff]

That's just really cool all the way around.

[Merkin]

Yep, whether you hate him or love him, that is all class.

[BBQ wildcat]

To me, it really shows that Miller really had his players' backs. Did right by them. Keeping BWill from playing more CBB has let him do better in the NBA.

[CopaCat]

Yep, whether you hate him or love him, that is all class.

I am not sure how you could hate him? I still hate Robbins for not having the testicular fortitude that KU showed with Self. Yeah I am OK with Lloyd and think he will be great at AZ, but Miller is still the man. Fuck Robbins.

[Spaceman Spiff]

To me, it really shows that Miller really had his players' backs. Did right by them. Keeping BWill from playing more CBB has let him do better in the NBA.

This one of those things I hated most about Robbins' firing of Miller. That he did it in part because he didn't like that Miller yelled at players or Miller's demeanor.

This is the latest of a ton of examples of how much loyalty between Miller and his players there was. Remember TJ being upset he couldn't get Miller to a Final Four? Or Parrom hugging Miller when he returned from the gunshot? Or the way the team reacted to the timeout vs UCLA in the 2017 Pac tourney?

Robbins never understood (IMO) that you can be a disciplinarian and push players hard and they'll love you for it. That sports isn't like being a heart surgeon where people have to kiss your ass. That a lot of the time, players want to be held accountable aggressively...even if they don't always realize it at the time.

Sorry, rant over. BWill getting a shot I never thought his knee would allow is awesome. He would have been fantastic here if it wasn't for the knee, and you can see it in his overcoming it to make the NBA. I'm glad that even if he didn't get his chance here, he can still live his dreams.

[Chicat]

Miller also silently took the heat from fans and the press for what seemed like him booting BWill from the program for being injured when in reality he knew that he’d be jeopardizing BWill’s future pro prospects if he had kept him on the team and he re-injured that knee.

Miller needed Williams but he knew that Williams didn’t need another year of the wear and tear of college ball and instead needed that time to recover and get ready for the next step.

Sean Miller truly lived up to the ethos of A Player’s Program.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Miller also silently took the heat from fans and the press for what seemed like him booting BWill from the program for being injured when in reality he knew that he’d be jeopardizing BWill’s future pro prospects if he had kept him on the team and he re-injured that knee.

Miller needed Williams but he knew that Williams didn’t need another year of the wear and tear of college ball and instead needed that time to recover and get ready for the next step.

Sean Miller truly lived up to the ethos of A Player’s Program.

One thing I always gave Miller credit for is he truly put players first. He would tell players to enter the draft when it was in their best interest to do so, even when he could have won more games by persuading them to return.

He would build his players draft stock and not push them through injuries that could cripple their careers like you say. To me, that's what you want in a coach, not someone who will win games by breaking down players health or their future.

[azcat49]

I sure like what I am reading on how Miller handled the B Williams situation.

My question is though, is this speculation? Reading the tea leaves or some inside info. I am so hoping the stuff I have read is rock solid because it points to the fact we had a great coach who is a great man

[EastCoastCat]

But he was too loyal to Book which brought a lot of unnecessary noise and turmoil to the program.

I love CSM and will never forget what he did for our program and how he represented our tradition and legacy. But he will always have to own up for that.

[UAEebs86]

Yeah Book and his inflexibility on offensive/defensive philosophies were my only issues. Other than that I loved CSM and feel bad he came so close to a FF but never made it. Fuck that ref who called the charge on Nick against Wisky.

[Spaceman Spiff]

But he was too loyal to Book which brought a lot of unnecessary noise and turmoil to the program.

I love CSM and will never forget what he did for our program and how he represented our tradition and legacy. But he will always have to own up for that.

I'm a little more forgiving. First, you see players responding to Miller's loyalty...his biggest flaw with Book was showing Book that same loyalty. Is it really on Miller that Book ****ed a lot of people by getting greedy over 15k?

Then, the wire...I think it was genuinely a shock to everyone in CBB. The NCAA never would have caught Book, and everyone's mindset was you had to avoid the NCAA...and no one suspected a real investigative agency would get involved.

[Chicat]

But he was too loyal to Book which brought a lot of unnecessary noise and turmoil to the program.

I love CSM and will never forget what he did for our program and how he represented our tradition and legacy. But he will always have to own up for that.

I'm a little more forgiving. First, you see players responding to Miller's loyalty...his biggest flaw with Book was showing Book that same loyalty. Is it really on Miller that Book ****ed a lot of people by getting greedy over 15k?

Then, the wire...I think it was genuinely a shock to everyone in CBB. The NCAA never would have caught Book, and everyone's mindset was you had to avoid the NCAA...and no one suspected a real investigative agency would get involved.

Loyalty is always a two-way street. Unfortunately Book’s had speed bumps and a dead end.

[Longhorned]

I'm just pissed off that basically everyone in Tucson still thinks Miller was a cheater who got caught.

Most recently, an Uber driver - clearly an Arizona fan - repeated it to me. He tried to defend his view when I went all Socrates on him, and my wife stepped in and vindicated the driver by telling him I'm closed-minded on this one and unable to see the evidence. Because, of course, everyone in Tucson must be right, and her husband watches just a little too much basketball to have any credibility on the matter.

[Beachcat97]

I have only love for Sean Miller, and I'll be rooting for that guy's success for the rest of his career. Here's hoping we never have to play against him in the tournament, lol.

[KillerKlown]

Best way to get back at those people would be to win a championship and hopefully that's soon.

[Beachcat97]

Best way to get back at those people would be to win a championship and hopefully that's soon.

If Miller wins a championship at Xavier, is it a "technical" championship for Arizona?

[Chicat]

Best way to get back at those people would be to win a championship and hopefully that's soon.

If Miller wins a championship at Xavier, is it a "technical" championship for Arizona?

It’s a very real GO FUCK YOURSELF to Booby Bobbins.

[Jefe]

Most recently, an Uber driver - clearly an Arizona fan - repeated it to me. He tried to defend his view when I went all Socrates on him, and my wife stepped in and vindicated the driver by telling him I'm closed-minded on this one and unable to see the evidence. Because, of course, everyone in Tucson must be right, and her husband watches just a little too much basketball to have any credibility on the matter.

Careful which Uber drivers you talk hoops with. I got into it with mine about my extreme distrust with Book the weekend after the FBI news dropped. Turned out my driver was Brian Pedersen and he had to write his article on the whole ordeal that night.

[AzCatFan2]

It pisses me off how Miller got treated by Dr. Bobby and his lap dog Heeke. Yes, Miller made the mistake of trusting Book. And Miller has paid dearly for his trust. But Miller deserved better. All Miller did was win a lot at Arizona, earn undying respect from his players, and help turn them into men, many of which are thriving in pro basketball.

It also pisses me off that the majority of the country see Miller has a cheater who paid DeAndre Ayton to come to Tucson, despite the only evidence being hearsay, and an error-filled article from ESPN. I'm convinced someone fed Schlabach some information hoping he could put 2 and 2 together and get 4. Instead, Schlabach got 3, and Miller paid the price. Remember, the info Schlabach had to go on was a sure-fire #1 pick who attended a basketball school got paid $100k to attend said school. Schlabach didn't look at his dates, and thought the info was about Ayton. But the error in the dates is important, especially since multiple articles about the #1 pick in next year's draft, who went to Duke, have been written and confirmed. The info Schlaback was fed fits Zion Williamson, and no need to fudge the dates.

Pisses me off that Coach K gets to ride off into the sunset as some sort of College Basketball deity, and nobody mentions the serious cheating allegations. But we get a self-imposed 1-year post season ban? Just isn't fair or right.

Sure, Miller's devotion to the pack-line D sometimes got on my nerves. So did problems with attacking a zone D. But Miller was showing signs of being flexible, hiring good assistants, and he still won. And won a lot. I too will be rooting for him at Xavier.

[Bangkok Wildcat]

It pisses me off how Miller got treated by Dr. Bobby and his lap dog Heeke. Yes, Miller made the mistake of trusting Book. And Miller has paid dearly for his trust. But Miller deserved better. All Miller did was win a lot at Arizona, earn undying respect from his players, and help turn them into men, many of which are thriving in pro basketball.

It also pisses me off that the majority of the country see Miller has a cheater who paid DeAndre Ayton to come to Tucson, despite the only evidence being hearsay, and an error-filled article from ESPN. I'm convinced someone fed Schlabach some information hoping he could put 2 and 2 together and get 4. Instead, Schlabach got 3, and Miller paid the price. Remember, the info Schlabach had to go on was a sure-fire #1 pick who attended a basketball school got paid $100k to attend said school. Schlabach didn't look at his dates, and thought the info was about Ayton. But the error in the dates is important, especially since multiple articles about the #1 pick in next year's draft, who went to Duke, have been written and confirmed. The info Schlaback was fed fits Zion Williamson, and no need to fudge the dates.

Pisses me off that Coach K gets to ride off into the sunset as some sort of College Basketball deity, and nobody mentions the serious cheating allegations. But we get a self-imposed 1-year post season ban? Just isn't fair or right.

Sure, Miller's devotion to the pack-line D sometimes got on my nerves. So did problems with attacking a zone D. But Miller was showing signs of being flexible, hiring good assistants, and he still won. And won a lot. I too will be rooting for him at Xavier.

This ! Very well-said AzCatFan2….I couldn’t agree more with all you said. BTFD.

[atlantakat]

Not to beat a dead horse, but my recollection is that Brian Bowen (or perhaps Nasir Little) was more likely the subject of the call in which Dawkins discussed money with SM which Schlabach confabulated in his reporting that it was Ayton. Would be interested in seeing evidence and analysis suggesting it was Zion Williamson instead. No doubt there are a lot of issues with Duke's recruitment of Williamson but I don't remember that included Dawkins hawking him to SM for money.

[AzCatFan2]

Here's the Sporting News article with Zion getting $400k. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/new ... lpo9azk5lz

There are other articles if you Google it.

Remember, Schlabach was a year off, and had Ayton getting paid after he had already played at Arizona. Schlabach originally corrected the article claiming he got the year wrong originally. But then corrected his correction back to the original year.

[atlantakat]

To be clear, I agreed with everything you posted above except tying in Zion Williamson to SM and Dawkins and the false Schlabach article that libeled SM, Ayton and the U of A -- I think one of the defense lawyers must have leaked to Schlabach that SM had a conversation on tape with Dawkins agreeing to pay for top recruit and Schlabach ran with the story and reported falsely that the player involved was Ayton and that SM said he would pay. While I don't want to defend Schlabach, he would not have run the story naming Miller if all he had was go on was someone told him that "a sure-fire #1 pick who attended a basketball school got paid $100k to attend said school." The source must have told him it was Miller on tape but Schlabach got the player wrong. Dawkins had strong ties with Bowen and from what I have seen it was most likely Bowen or perhaps Nasr that Dawkins was trying to sell to SM (and I believe SM when he said that he refused to pay). If there is an article about Dawkins and SM discussing Zion Williamson and or suggesting that was what Schlabach misreported as a conversation about Ayton, I have not seen it.

[AzCatFan2]

There was never confirmation that whoever leaked the Ayton payment story to ESPN was connected to the Dawkins FBI scandal. Or the payments were part of the scandal in any way. Schlabach could have made those connections himself, and been 100% wrong.

As this SI article states, either the leak got information wrong on Ayton, or the story was written with incomplete information. https://www.si.com/college/2018/03/01/a ... spn-report

It's possible, especially given the dates, the leak was talking about Zion, and had no info on the FBI scandal at all. The SI article above also states the leak got the price tag wrong, which fits the $400k number from the first leak.

I have no evidence the leak was talking about Zion, and Schlabach made a wrong assumption, and thought it was about Ayton. But all the puzzle pieces fit. The dates. The 6 figures, and the surefire top NBA draft choice. The truth will likely never come out, and if it does, ESPN will bury it to cover Saint K. But in my world, 2+2=4.

[TheCat]

Sean dedication to his players is unquestionable. TJ was not even invited to any NBA functions till Sean called personally to get him invited. The rest is history.

[Merkin]

[azcat49]

Sure hope he finds peace and continued success at X. Will always be a huge fan of his

[RondaeShimmy]

Miller was most related when Arizona won the Pac-12 championship his second year (2010-11).

“I remember thinking, ‘Wow, this is awesome,’” said Miller. “That was the last party I ever had. Once we got past that first one, it was like, ‘Look, there is a bigger picture. When are we getting to the Final Four?’ And instead of that being helpful, I really think that sometimes, looking back, when that’s what is fueling you, there are a lot of moments you’re skipping over that you could have enjoyed. And if you had enjoyed them, maybe you would have been able to get there.”

[YoDeFoe]

Miller was most related when Arizona won the Pac-12 championship his second year (2010-11).

“I remember thinking, ‘Wow, this is awesome,’” said Miller. “That was the last party I ever had. Once we got past that first one, it was like, ‘Look, there is a bigger picture. When are we getting to the Final Four?’ And instead of that being helpful, I really think that sometimes, looking back, when that’s what is fueling you, there are a lot of moments you’re skipping over that you could have enjoyed. And if you had enjoyed them, maybe you would have been able to get there.”

Miller going deeply introspective and sharing that is really touching. Dammit, I love that dude.

[U.P. Zona Fan]

Will always admire him and appreciate what he did for the program after Lute.

Will always think he got jacked and deserved better from the admin and esp the dunderheads at ESPiN.

Hope he gets his final 4. Of course not against us though, however fitting it may be.

[JMarkJohns]

Miller was most related when Arizona won the Pac-12 championship his second year (2010-11).

“I remember thinking, ‘Wow, this is awesome,’” said Miller. “That was the last party I ever had. Once we got past that first one, it was like, ‘Look, there is a bigger picture. When are we getting to the Final Four?’ And instead of that being helpful, I really think that sometimes, looking back, when that’s what is fueling you, there are a lot of moments you’re skipping over that you could have enjoyed. And if you had enjoyed them, maybe you would have been able to get there.”

Honestly, as someone who lost myself, my fandom, my enjoyment in all of it, coming to a crashing halt where I quit sports cold Turkey Sept-February of last year, I understand fully what he’s saying.

We become so results based be can’t enjoy the journey. I have seen it so much on Twitter, Toxic Accomplishment Syndrome. It’s true of those competing, it’s true of those cheering.

Don’t ever like something so much you can’t enjoy it.

[U.P. Zona Fan]

That's too bad, this past Sept thru Feb, well maybe Nov thru Feb were some of the most enjoyable months of Arizona basketball I've experienced as an adult. But, it was also the time where I cared the least about if we won or not, new coach, big changes on team...

We just kept freaking winning and it was great!!!!!!

PS. Twitter is a black hole of sadness at its best when it is not actively tempting you to suicide.

[HiCat]

"he seems happier”

Happy for Coach Miller. Glad he managed to land on his feet with a smile. ( after all the bulls...t questionable espin reporting)

[EastCoastCat]

I hope at some point he comes back to Tucson with his team so the fans can give him the kind of send off he deserved.

He deserves to see how much all of the true fans feel about him and indirectly show him how we all feel he got royally screwed.

[Merkin]

Even though he was given a shitty deal by ESPN, Robbins and Heeke, it was probably good he left. He got paid, and had a chance to relax for once in decades and rethink things.

I wish him nothing but the best, and hope he gets his FF at X, but it was really time for him to go. Just too much of a distraction for him, the school, and the fans.

[dovecanyoncat]

I'm impressed by both his emotional and professional maturity. To give ESPN an interview ...... I wouldn't have been able to muster the requisite reflective distance. He was a bulldog, a passionate fighter who drew criticism from many directions. He came out of it in a healthy mental place. I'm proud for him.

[TheCat]

Luckily he has a team that could go a ways in the tourney. Hope he gets to the final four even if it means beating Ariz.