Yeah it is insane what has transpired. As I understand it there was a SC President in the 1990s (I think) who made it his mission to improve the academic standing and profile of the school. It obviously took some time but now SC is ranked about 25th and UCLA about 20th nationally and their admission requirements reflect that reality.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 2:03 pmWelp, consider me staggered. I had no idea USC's admissions rate and other metrics had moved this much. When I graduated from HS, anyone with a 3.0 and a lot of money could go there. And the average SAT score was probably closer to 1000.Winger wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 1:49 pm 4 kids BC97. All recently graduated or currently enrolled in universities in southern CA, including USC.
Admission rate: UCLA 8.8% USC 10.0%
Average SAT: UCLA 1405 USC 1440
Average GPA: UCLA 3.93 USC 3.83
Those numbers are in line with my personal experience of late, which says that there is zero meaningful difference, with both schools being reach for everyone who applies.
Only material difference is the preference given to CA residents by UCLA.
Course how hard a university is to get in to has just about nothing to do with getting your basketball recruits enrolled. And, accordingly, this isn't the explanation for why it has been harder to win at SC (would note that UCLA hasn't been great since Howland, and wasn't before Howland, as well).
This is from last year. Data looks a little different:
https://www.bestcolleges.com/united-sta ... c-vs-ucla/
Enjoyed the discussion BC97. Don't want to lose the forest for the tree of me harping on admission requirements lol.
I appear to think less of Mussleman as a coach than you (note that I don't like the dude at all which colors my take I am sure) but it is going to be interesting to see what happens to UCLA/Cronin and SC/Mussleman with the move in to the B1G.
Recruiting, rankings, tournament performance, all of it. I don't know how it is going to turn out but I don't think either coach is the answer to getting either program to elite status.
FWIW I have heard some stuff the past say 18 months regarding Cronin losing his recruiting fields. Similar to what happened to Alford.
To get more toward what you were posting above I am sure that Muss will not be able to get the same types of young men in to SC as he did Arkansas. One can do things in the SEC that one can't elsewhere and especially not at a place like SC.