Re: ASU blows
Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:13 pm
Granted they won but only 1 true road game and now they dont play anyone until the 30th. I dont see how that will prep them for conference play.
For one, I welcome a good ASU team. We want to whip them. Instead of the usual, where we either get a neutral or bad result, it would be nice to get a bump if we win.CalStateTempe wrote:We just need to stomp them and put an end to this noise.
They have a proud tradition, from James Harden to Hedake Smith to Byron Scott. That's really it, but at least 2/3 of those guys aren't convicted point shavers.Merkin wrote:Hmmm...
I see they are still using an elementary school locker roomMerkin wrote:Hmmm...
Eh, TJ is a pro, Nick was an All American here and played in the L. Allonzo preseason AA, Kyle Fogg is very successful overseas (blows away Jahii at least). Lyons is making a living overseas.CalStateTempe wrote:In fairness we're more WingU in the miller era.
That was the KU visiting locker roomsplitsecond wrote:I see they are still using an elementary school locker roomMerkin wrote:Hmmm...
It has been a while since ASU had as good a team as they do this year so I can understand why their fans are excited. I won't fault them for that. I actually don't remember how good ASU was with Harden. The last good team I really remember was in the mid 90's when they had Mario Bennett. I think that team made the sweet 16. As far as anyone suggesting Wells Fargo Arena is the toughest court to play in I would disagree but the enthusiasm this year will put more butts in seats consistently. I still think McKale is the toughest Pac 12 arena to win at with Oregon's home court being second. ASU has better guard play at this point but they don't have Deandre Ayton. I'm actually glad to see ASU challenge us this year for a change. Anything to toughen us up more for the rigors of the NCAA tournament.Catintheheat wrote:I'm getting a kick out of the ASU board. They are having delusions of grandeur. People want to stop by the airport to welcome them home, like they won a 'ship. I guess they are entitled since they have the best team they've ever had. One poster was insinuating that WFA is going to be the toughest court to play in the conference. But I guess they should whoop it up now because in a few weeks they are going to be brought back down to earth.
Wells Fargo isn't top 5. McKale is easily #1. Colorado and Utah's altitude plus decent fans are better than ASU. Oregon and Stanford/UW/Cal are all better or even. Wells Fargo can beat out the LA schools, Oregon State, WSU and that's about it.Captain Obvious wrote:It has been a while since ASU had as good a team as they do this year so I can understand why their fans are excited. I won't fault them for that. I actually don't remember how good ASU was with Harden. The last good team I really remember was in the mid 90's when they had Mario Bennett. I think that team made the sweet 16. As far as anyone suggesting Wells Fargo Arena is the toughest court to play in I would disagree but the enthusiasm this year will put more butts in seats consistently. I still think McKale is the toughest Pac 12 arena to win at with Oregon's home court being second. ASU has better guard play at this point but they don't have Deandre Ayton. I'm actually glad to see ASU challenge us this year for a change. Anything to toughen us up more for the rigors of the NCAA tournament.Catintheheat wrote:I'm getting a kick out of the ASU board. They are having delusions of grandeur. People want to stop by the airport to welcome them home, like they won a 'ship. I guess they are entitled since they have the best team they've ever had. One poster was insinuating that WFA is going to be the toughest court to play in the conference. But I guess they should whoop it up now because in a few weeks they are going to be brought back down to earth.
Having a roster full of 3 star upper class men is a luxury? Hurley must be so thankful he isn't coaching a blue blood program. I am sure it is miserable having a roster loaded with 5 star talent and being picked to be in the final four every year. Hurley must be counting his blessings.midnightx wrote:Hurley has the luxury of having upperclassmen. Duke, Kansas, Arizona, Kentucky, etc. frequently have to reload their rosters. Yes, most of them have some upperclassmen as well and/or a couple of guys that decided to stay a bit longer than expected, but constant change in rosters for key players and positions significantly impacts depth and experience. If he starts landing better classes, he is going to start losing guys early and will not have seniors who have developed and can really ball. He has the perfect scenario this year, but it will be interesting to see what happens during conference play. His guys are on a roll, but what happens when they come back down to earth? Because it won't last.
I realize that ASU basketball's success this season is due to having a senior laden team. I just find it laughable that someone would try to argue that the blue blood programs are at a disadvantage because they have to restock with elite talent every year.zonagrad wrote:The model with Hurley as it stands now is to have players with less talent play early. That's why ASU has done nothing up until now. When their senior class departs, they'll take a significant step back and then slowly build. His model is to start bringing higher rated recruits to help stabilize the program.
ASU deserves credit for what it has accomplished so far. But what exactly has this senior class accomplished up until now? Nothing. They've been a subpar program during the previous four years. Tra Holder, Shannon Evans and Kodi Justice have been just as likely to score 3 points or go off for 30. And as the season unfolds, unless ASU gets some significant help at other positions, opponents will figure ASU out and limit shots and opportunities. Just as ASU is going to have games where everything is falling and they hit 50% of their 3's, they're going to revert to the mean and have games where they hit 20% of their 3's. The question is, can they win when opponents begin to take away their offense? Can they win games where they have to grind out possessions, play defense for the full extent of the shot clock, and rebound? I think they're a tournament team. But I don't see them winning the Pac or garnering a top 3 seed.
If you are referring to me, I do not think blue blood programs are at a disadvantage — I am simply pointing out that when certain second-tier programs have the luxury of compiling a lot of seniors, they will be able to put together a run like Hurley is having before conference play. It works out every once in a while — next year ASU won’t make the tournament.Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:I realize that ASU basketball's success this season is due to having a senior laden team. I just find it laughable that someone would try to argue that the blue blood programs are at a disadvantage because they have to restock with elite talent every year.zonagrad wrote:The model with Hurley as it stands now is to have players with less talent play early. That's why ASU has done nothing up until now. When their senior class departs, they'll take a significant step back and then slowly build. His model is to start bringing higher rated recruits to help stabilize the program.
ASU deserves credit for what it has accomplished so far. But what exactly has this senior class accomplished up until now? Nothing. They've been a subpar program during the previous four years. Tra Holder, Shannon Evans and Kodi Justice have been just as likely to score 3 points or go off for 30. And as the season unfolds, unless ASU gets some significant help at other positions, opponents will figure ASU out and limit shots and opportunities. Just as ASU is going to have games where everything is falling and they hit 50% of their 3's, they're going to revert to the mean and have games where they hit 20% of their 3's. The question is, can they win when opponents begin to take away their offense? Can they win games where they have to grind out possessions, play defense for the full extent of the shot clock, and rebound? I think they're a tournament team. But I don't see them winning the Pac or garnering a top 3 seed.
Just let them have this. They don't get much.Merkin wrote:
I mean, I don't like ASU at all, but I don't take that seriously.UALoco wrote:No less than 3 scummies approached me today with the Forks up blabbering about their team and Bobby [make me] HURLey...we HAVE TO WIN on the 30th. This is not just another game. If I hear anyone associated with the bball program say that, I will want them OUT!!
I'm not speaking from a place of overconfidence. I like having a ranked opponent to boost our RPI. Usually ASU drags it even if we hammer them. It is nice to see a game vs them mean something and have the potential to really help our resume.UALoco wrote:We saw what over confidence did for us in the Bahamas.
They actually prefer to leave it unguarded so they can get to their optimal status of blacked out faster.Chicat wrote:More like “Guard Ur Drink”, amirite ladies of ASSU?
1McKalecats101 wrote:Seriously, assu fan(s) will go out their way to prove college basketball doesn't matter (just in March) but are all giddy about their little success in Mid-December.
Toughest arena in the conference? Don't you have to put butts in seats first? Even with Harden in uniform, they maybe had 1 sellout, albeit they have a curtain hiding seats now.
I actually want them to go as high as they can in the polls....the reality will make it that much better when they come back down to earth. I mean 5 #1 votes? hysterical. The media loves a good story, especially from a joke program like assu, so I guess it makes a little sense. Not saying this isn't a good team that can't make the tournament ect but all the hype is way overblown.
No one has ever said that without meaning it.TatetheGreat wrote:Phoenix sports talk guys were speculating that Bobby Hurley could be the next Lute Olson since he said in an interview he wants to stay at ASU long term. Sickening stupidity and credulity.
Huh? Every coach says that, but few mean it. Hurley will replace Coach K if he continues having success.Spaceman Spiff wrote:No one has ever said that without meaning it.TatetheGreat wrote:Phoenix sports talk guys were speculating that Bobby Hurley could be the next Lute Olson since he said in an interview he wants to stay at ASU long term. Sickening stupidity and credulity.
I was being sarcastic. Everyone says it and it is meaningless.TatetheGreat wrote:Huh? Every coach says that, but few mean it. Hurley will replace Coach K if he continues having success.Spaceman Spiff wrote:No one has ever said that without meaning it.TatetheGreat wrote:Phoenix sports talk guys were speculating that Bobby Hurley could be the next Lute Olson since he said in an interview he wants to stay at ASU long term. Sickening stupidity and credulity.
LOL I'm a dingus. I think ASU's ceiling is Sweet 16 and I half expect them to lose a game before we meet at McKale.Spaceman Spiff wrote:I was being sarcastic. Everyone says it and it is meaningless.TatetheGreat wrote:Huh? Every coach says that, but few mean it. Hurley will replace Coach K if he continues having success.Spaceman Spiff wrote:No one has ever said that without meaning it.TatetheGreat wrote:Phoenix sports talk guys were speculating that Bobby Hurley could be the next Lute Olson since he said in an interview he wants to stay at ASU long term. Sickening stupidity and credulity.
Now that they have a target on their back - including a lack of height (starting lineup is 6-1, 6-1, 6-1, 6-5 (190 lbs) and 6-9), I bet they come down to earth and go 9-9 in the conference.Spaceman Spiff wrote:I agree with zonagrad that it's really hard to say ASU is for real based on the KU win when you look at KU losing to Washington. Washington beat St. Martin's, which I'm still not 100% is an actual college, by 4 at home. UW has looked unimpressive across the board, then they take Kansas out by 9.
I'm just not sold that KU is that good right now, and that is ASU's big calling card win.
We'll see. This year has had a lot of fits and starts for a lot of teams. They have a unique style and that can go well or poorly. If they are good, super. I'd rather beat a good ASU team. If we think Arizona is a FF level team, we can't get worried about ASU being good.MountainCat wrote:Now that they have a target on their back - including a lack of height (starting lineup is 6-1, 6-1, 6-1, 6-5 (190 lbs) and 6-9), I bet they come down to earth and go 9-9 in the conference.Spaceman Spiff wrote:I agree with zonagrad that it's really hard to say ASU is for real based on the KU win when you look at KU losing to Washington. Washington beat St. Martin's, which I'm still not 100% is an actual college, by 4 at home. UW has looked unimpressive across the board, then they take Kansas out by 9.
I'm just not sold that KU is that good right now, and that is ASU's big calling card win.
Imagine an ASU - Arizona championship game in Vegas. The cocaine and liquor fueled brawls in the stands would be epic.azcat49 wrote:I think ASSU ends up battling us for the PAC crown. They have experience and really good guards. With the conference not being very good this year I think they go no worse than 14-4 and they end up a top 4 seed going into the tourney. Oh and the PAC tourney will be us and them in the finals, fun fun
It's on P12 network, so even if they lose, no one will notice.dovecanyoncat wrote:Well, ASU blows right now.
Then that's a shame. They won't get to experience a whistle every 30 seconds.Spaceman Spiff wrote:It's on P12 network, so even if they lose, no one will notice.dovecanyoncat wrote:Well, ASU blows right now.