UCLA Basketball in trouble!

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:08 pm

SCCats wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:Or what I said where they have the time money to fire Alford buy that money doesn't want to give DG another hire. Ithe was his bad contract he signed off on, I doubt he makes a good one this time either. Next year he'll have 25 years in the UC system and be 66. Time to go
Now that makes more sense.

So why not fire Guerrero tomorrow?

That's not how the UC system works.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:46 pm

MrBug708 wrote:
SCCats wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:Or what I said where they have the time money to fire Alford buy that money doesn't want to give DG another hire. Ithe was his bad contract he signed off on, I doubt he makes a good one this time either. Next year he'll have 25 years in the UC system and be 66. Time to go
Now that makes more sense.

So why not fire Guerrero tomorrow?
That's not how the UC system works.

If you started the process now, in a general sense what is your feel for how long it would take?

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:40 pm

The department has money, Olympic sports are doing well, the chancellor doesn't care and he's firmly part of the establishment. He has three more years on his contract but I bet he's gone as soon as the new facility for football is up, in 16 months or so

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:18 pm

I just rewatched the second half and I honestly cannot believe that Alford watched the refs foul out his two centers on multiple horrific fouls with not even a peep of protest.

Sean Miller would have torn that place down brick by brick. Alford just stands there with that butthead corn-fed haircut and a stupid look on his face like he doesn't quite grasp that he's at a basketball game and that he is in fact the head coach. Shameful...

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 9:20 am

Pac-12 Standings

TEAM CONF OVERALL
Oregon 9-4 20-6
Arizona 8-4 20-5
USC 7-4 18-6
Colorado 8-5 19-7
Utah 7-5 18-7
California 7-5 17-8
UW 7-6 15-10
OSU 6-7 15-9
Stanford 5-7 12-11
UCLA 4-7 13-11
ASU 4-8 14-11
WSU 1-11 9-15

UCLA Basketball: where the past is always brighter than the future. And apparently the present.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:35 am

azcat49 wrote:Just watched the second half and there were some terrible calls against UCLA in that half. Parkers last 3 fouls and Welsh last 2 were not fouls IMO.

We were very fortunate last night to win. Not a team I want to see in Vegas unless it's in the final

Was nice after how bad they fisted us in the first half. Was so bad extra security walked the officials from the court into the tunnel.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:05 am

dirtbags wrote:two words, bug: conference tourney.

agree with @azcat49, too. tons of garbage calls on both sides, but it is admittedly hard to argue with 16 FTAs (ucla) vs. 45 (UA) and 31 PFs (ucla) vs. 19 (UA)... although it seemed that big alf didn't really notice it until he saw the statsheet after the game.

by the looks of ucla's remaining schedule though, i could easily see the bruins going 5-2 (finishing 9-9 / 18-13 overall) from here on out; and a 3-3 record against the top 25 not including a possible win at home vs. oregon on senior weekend isn't so bad.

... or is it? you don't really ever see ucla finish at or below .500 in the conference. yikes.

Home games: Utah, Colorado, Oregon, Oregon State (four tournament teams)
Road games: Cal (tournament team), Stanford

They definitely control their own fate and have the perfect opportunity to get themselves in. 4-2 is definitely doable, but I see them splitting each of their next three series and not making it in, unless those three wins are Cal, Utah and Oregon. I know a win is a win, but they have quite a few close wins against some weak comp, they are Washington States only conference win, etc. And a lot of it is going to depend on how serious the committee takes the Pac 12. Washington are playing themselves out of the tournament. I think only 7 teams are getting in unless Washington or UCLA turn it around.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:26 am

Chicat wrote:I just rewatched the second half and I honestly cannot believe that Alford watched the refs foul out his two centers on multiple horrific fouls with not even a peep of protest.

Sean Miller would have torn that place down brick by brick. Alford just stands there with that butthead corn-fed haircut and a stupid look on his face like he doesn't quite grasp that he's at a basketball game and that he is in fact the head coach. Shameful...

Saw the same, he put his hands up in the air a couple of times.

I rewatched USC. Their head coach just leaned against the scorers table, legs crossed, as if he was watching his kids play in a sandbox...without a care in the world.

Miller going apeshit on every possession, every pass.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:40 am

rgdeuce wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Just watched the second half and there were some terrible calls against UCLA in that half. Parkers last 3 fouls and Welsh last 2 were not fouls IMO.

We were very fortunate last night to win. Not a team I want to see in Vegas unless it's in the final
Was nice after how bad they fisted us in the first half. Was so bad extra security walked the officials from the court into the tunnel.

Uh, no.

You've been on some serious KyleCollins rage rants lately

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:03 am

MrBug708 wrote:
rgdeuce wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Just watched the second half and there were some terrible calls against UCLA in that half. Parkers last 3 fouls and Welsh last 2 were not fouls IMO.

We were very fortunate last night to win. Not a team I want to see in Vegas unless it's in the final
Was nice after how bad they fisted us in the first half. Was so bad extra security walked the officials from the court into the tunnel.
Uh, no.

You've been on some serious KyleCollins rage rants lately

That's not unfair. We got hosed in the first half, and rather than just making better calls, the refs just flipped who was getting the stick in the second half. There were several calls where a UCLA player just tossed themselves into a defender and drew the whistle in the first half. I cannot stand those calls.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:25 am

Everyone should stop complaining about officiating in the PAC. It follows a script, which is this:

Whatever happens with calls in the first half, the exact opposite will happen in the 2nd.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:46 am

Olsondogg wrote:Everyone should stop complaining about officiating in the PAC. It follows a script, which is this:

Whatever happens with calls in the first half, the exact opposite will happen in the 2nd.

Sadly, this is true. I have gotten to the point where I expect payback calls. As soon as there's a controversial call, the next time the beneficiary breathes on the opposition...bang. My favorite is the immediate moving screen call after the team acquired the ball on a crappy call.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:50 pm

MrBug708 wrote:
You've been on some serious KyleCollins rage rants lately

There have been at least four Arizona fans in here, including myself, who have directly or indirectly acknowledged that you guys got hosed in the second half. You can't have the decency to remove the homer glasses and be objective too?

You're bound to get a bloop single with your trolling eventually, so keep swinging champ

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:52 pm

rgdeuce wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:
You've been on some serious KyleCollins rage rants lately
There have been at least four Arizona fans in here, including myself, who have directly or indirectly acknowledged that you guys got hosed in the second half. You can't have the decency to remove the homer glasses and be objective too? You're bound to get a bloop single with your trolling eventually, so keep swinging champ

Well done

CBCat · Post by **CBCat** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 4:06 pm

Did they beat ASU?

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 4:08 pm

CBCat wrote:Did they beat ASU?

yes

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:47 am

MrBug708 wrote:
Well done

Heh

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:11 pm

Omg...the empty seats at Pauley tonight. Unreal.

I guess Lonzo and Leaf prefer a quieter home crowd environment.

HibachiZero · Post by **HibachiZero** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:22 pm

Thos does not look like the same team that plays against the Cats. WTH. I can't imagine being a fan of that team and the inconsistency.

Bear Down!

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:37 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Omg...the empty seats at Pauley tonight. Unreal.

I guess it's just not their super bowl tonight.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:40 pm

Bolden is playing well. But we treated ASU like our super bowl last week

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:42 pm

MrBug708 wrote:Bolden is playing well. But we treated ASU like our super bowl last week

You really don't get this concept do you. Just look at the empty seats in pauley

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:57 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:Bolden is playing well. But we treated ASU like our super bowl last week
You really don't get this concept do you. Just look at the empty seats in pauley

The concept is stupid, that's why it's turned into a board meme.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:28 pm

DG has cratered this program

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:30 pm

MrBug708 wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:Bolden is playing well. But we treated ASU like our super bowl last week
You really don't get this concept do you. Just look at the empty seats in pauley
The concept is stupid, that's why it's turned into a board meme.

A meme that is used because it's absolutely true and everyone but you agrees on, yes. This game tonight... Not a super bowl. The game in pauley in January... Absolutely a super bowl. Get with the program bud.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:46 pm

Keep humping that football then

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:59 pm

Oooh, Bug-boobs has got some sand all up in that vadge! Go Utes!

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:19 pm

MrBug708 wrote:DG has cratered this program

10th place. Worst than the Farmer years

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:27 pm

MrBug708 wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:DG has cratered this program
10th place. Worst than the Farmer years

Don't like Alford.....how much longer do you think you guys keep him Mr. Bug? Actually though, DG may be the bigger problem I guess.....

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:51 am

I keep hearing about the uCla job being an "elite" job, and I get it. SoCal, tradition, pay, recruiting etc....

With that said, what about all the intangibles that make that job awful? Who wants that right now? Alford needs to produce next year.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:12 am

Olsondogg wrote:I keep hearing about the uCla job being an "elite" job, and I get it. SoCal, tradition, pay, recruiting etc....

With that said, what about all the intangibles that make that job awful? Who wants that right now? Alford needs to produce next year.

Only one coach in that program's history has made the school a national contender year after year. Another coach was heading in that direction, but they fired him.

It's not an elite job, and it's not an elite program. It's an elite academic institution who was fortunate to hire John Wooden when they did.

The best evidence that UCLA is not an elite job/program: the many coaches who've turned down the job.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:23 pm

Olsondogg wrote:I keep hearing about the uCla job being an "elite" job, and I get it. SoCal, tradition, pay, recruiting etc....

With that said, what about all the intangibles that make that job awful? Who wants that right now? Alford needs to produce next year.

The biggest stumbling block has generally been money and facilities. Howland took a paycut for the job. Obviously things have changed with TV money now but with the way the AD has been run, who is to say how things can been. They've been to a title game in every decade since the 60s despite financial and facility shortcomings. Harrick wasn't a big name. Howland was an up and comer and a west coast guy. Lavin was a lazy hire. So was Alford. Other names were when UCLA was more worried about finding a Wooden guy. Ironically enough, if Morgan would have just promised the job to Crum when Crum asked for it, ucla probably would have another half dozen titles.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:55 am

Big news for Prince Ali:

http://www.espnfc.com/blog-fifa/story/2 ... -postponed" target="_blank

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:24 am

MrBug708 wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:I keep hearing about the uCla job being an "elite" job, and I get it. SoCal, tradition, pay, recruiting etc....

With that said, what about all the intangibles that make that job awful? Who wants that right now? Alford needs to produce next year.
The biggest stumbling block has generally been money and facilities. Howland took a paycut for the job. Obviously things have changed with TV money now but with the way the AD has been run, who is to say how things can been. They've been to a title game in every decade since the 60s despite financial and facility shortcomings. Harrick wasn't a big name. Howland was an up and comer and a west coast guy. Lavin was a lazy hire. So was Alford. Other names were when UCLA was more worried about finding a Wooden guy. Ironically enough, if Morgan would have just promised the job to Crum when Crum asked for it, ucla probably would have another half dozen titles.

So my buddy, a uCla grad, is mentioning some billionaire donor that would front the $$ to buy out Alford...but there is some hangup with the AD, wanting him out too.

Truth? Lies?

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:50 am

I'd say there is valid distrust in allowing Dan to make another hire

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:52 am

I find that comical. I mean, the knock on Howland was that he was a good coach, who slipped in recruiting. So the AD does the opposite, getting a guy who can't coach but can pull the recruits...

Sounds like an insane fan base who can't be happy with what they have cause it ain't the 70's and it ain't Wooden.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:19 pm

Olsondogg wrote:I find that comical. I mean, the knock on Howland was that he was a good coach, who slipped in recruiting. So the AD does the opposite, getting a guy who can't coach but can pull the recruits...

Sounds like an insane fan base who can't be happy with what they have cause it ain't the 70's and it ain't Wooden.

What fan base?

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:23 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:I find that comical. I mean, the knock on Howland was that he was a good coach, who slipped in recruiting. So the AD does the opposite, getting a guy who can't coach but can pull the recruits...

Sounds like an insane fan base who can't be happy with what they have cause it ain't the 70's and it ain't Wooden.
What fan base?

Pretty sure he was referring to Bug. You know...the fan "base."

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:45 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:I find that comical. I mean, the knock on Howland was that he was a good coach, who slipped in recruiting. So the AD does the opposite, getting a guy who can't coach but can pull the recruits...

Sounds like an insane fan base who can't be happy with what they have cause it ain't the 70's and it ain't Wooden.
What fan base?
Pretty sure he was referring to Bug. You know...the fan "base."

It was a joke.. Since UCLA has no fans... Heh...

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:57 pm

What?

There are few fan bases in the country as rabid as the fine folks who root for the UCLA Bruins.

But pretty good reading otherwise on the high expectations of UCLA basketball:

http://www.todaysu.com/pac-12-today/ucl ... treatment/" target="_blank

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:17 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:I find that comical. I mean, the knock on Howland was that he was a good coach, who slipped in recruiting. So the AD does the opposite, getting a guy who can't coach but can pull the recruits...

Sounds like an insane fan base who can't be happy with what they have cause it ain't the 70's and it ain't Wooden.
What fan base?
Pretty sure he was referring to Bug. You know...the fan "base."
It was a joke.. Since UCLA has no fans... Heh...

UCLA has millions of fans . . . they're all just boycotting until someone figures out how to reincarnate Wooden.

dirtbags · Post by **dirtbags** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:06 pm

ben howland was a results oriented-hc who looked good on paper but slipped a bit in recruiting while ostensibly allowing the behavior of his players to devolve into something resembling miami hurricane football in the 80s & 90s. absolutely comical that the alford hire was to bring in a coach who was on higher ground morally, even though alf came with baggage from his iowa days, and to usher in an exciting brand of uptempo bball that would sell tix in the (then) recently reonvated pauley pavilion -- though statistically, howland's guys played at a higher place... and we are all aware of the attendance situation at pp.

during the coaching search, i seem to remember bruin fans hoisting rick pitino to the top of the wishlist so at least ucla was spared the ultimate irony of ironies of bringing in RP as an ethical hire given what has transpired under his watch at l'ville

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:21 pm

Each of these Pac jobs is better than UCLA:

AZ (for obvious reasons)
OR (football school so lower expectations, but great fan support and Nike)
USC (also a football school; laxer admissions requirement than UCLA; L.A. always has some of the best prep talent in the nation)

Cal, Utah, UW...at least as good as or better than UCLA.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:41 pm

Olsondogg wrote:I find that comical. I mean, the knock on Howland was that he was a good coach, who slipped in recruiting. So the AD does the opposite, getting a guy who can't coach but can pull the recruits...

Sounds like an insane fan base who can't be happy with what they have cause it ain't the 70's and it ain't Wooden.

The recruiting issue was a problem when he stopped recruiting players to fit his successful system. If he kept recruiting kids like Westbrook, Mbah a Moute, et al with the usual top LA kids, things get rolling.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:14 pm

Someone really, really needs to get rid of the question mark in this thread's title.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:15 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Someone really, really needs to get rid of the question mark in this thread's title.

Better?

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:11 pm

azgreg wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Someone really, really needs to get rid of the question mark in this thread's title.
Better?

So much better. Lol!

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:35 pm

RC97 still trolling Arizona fans..lol

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:59 pm

MrBug708 wrote:RC97 still trolling Arizona fans..lol

Says the 12 year plus King of trolls.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:18 pm

Now that's funny

**Unless you are Steve Alford. Then I understand the hate

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