Re: Sean Miller
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:58 pm
I think that's the fermented yak's milk talking.Longhorned wrote:Really reaching the point where I'm ready for Miller to move on.
I think that's the fermented yak's milk talking.Longhorned wrote:Really reaching the point where I'm ready for Miller to move on.
Double him and get burned with the 3, or an extra pass and a layup. The team defense and rotations arent to snub. Dusan and Chance need to learn how to defend him, we may see them again in March; give him his 18 and focus on defending everyone else and let the fat fuck wear himself out and make your run when hes on the bench or sucking wind. Millers hands are tied there. Sometimes you let one man get his and focus on the other fourmichcat wrote:My only problem with coaching in this game is that they never really tried doubling the post and it killed them all game.
Ray Smith is what happened. Kid is an incredible player, but losing him for both last year and this year is devastating. Think how close Miller's team was prior to a year ago. We never recovered from Ray's injury last year, and without Trier I don't know how we can recover this year. Miller might have recruited the spot as much as any other, but guys knew they would be competing against Smith. I feel 1000 times worse for Smith than for the team and us fans, but his injury truly impacted this team more than we know ... both last year and this year.Longhorned wrote:He's a really good coach. Wouldn't trade him for anyone over these years (not even Calipari, and I do like Calipari, who may well have brought us some Final Fours). But as with a marriage, it keeps itching you until the realization can hit you at an unexpected moment, and an unfair and downright irrational moment, like an early December game that does absolutely nothing to make or break a season.
Being down so many players, I would have been shocked if Arizona won this game with such a thin roster. Though full of hope, I was imagining how we'd lose: trying to run Karnowski off the court but wearing our players down in the process, getting in foul trouble, etc. But somehow, after all this time, I'm always surprised by yet another helpless looking slow start. That was just what Arizona needed to put the nail in the coffin at the outset: trying to launch a comeback with a thin roster. It isn't just that -- it's the feeling as a fan. The feeling that it's just at that point where I'm ready for a new script. It's been a while coming.
I'm not saying he should be fired. That would be ridiculous. I'm just saying I'm ready for whatever comes next if he's like most college coaches nowadays and moves on. The only college coaches I've ever rooted for are Lute Olson and Sean Miller, and this is the first time I've started to feel fatigue for a coach. One of many things I'm grateful for is the way he's positioned the program for the future.
I understand that that was the risk but to not even try it a few times to pressure the fat fck to pass out of there was a mistake. He was just getting too easy shots down there.rgdeuce wrote:Double him and get burned with the 3, or an extra pass and a layup. The team defense and rotations arent to snub. Dusan and Chance need to learn how to defend him, we may see them again in March; give him his 18 and focus on defending everyone else and let the fat fuck wear himself out and make your run when hes on the bench or sucking wind. Millers hands are tied there. Sometimes you let one man get his and focus on the other fourmichcat wrote:My only problem with coaching in this game is that they never really tried doubling the post and it killed them all game.
Wow. I hope Sean is our coach for the next 20 years. So I guess we see things a bit differentlyLonghorned wrote:He's a really good coach. Wouldn't trade him for anyone over these years (not even Calipari, and I do like Calipari, who may well have brought us some Final Fours). But as with a marriage, it keeps itching you until the realization can hit you at an unexpected moment, and an unfair and downright irrational moment, like an early December game that does absolutely nothing to make or break a season.
Being down so many players, I would have been shocked if Arizona won this game with such a thin roster. Though full of hope, I was imagining how we'd lose: trying to run Karnowski off the court but wearing our players down in the process, getting in foul trouble, etc. But somehow, after all this time, I'm always surprised by yet another helpless looking slow start. That was just what Arizona needed to put the nail in the coffin at the outset: trying to launch a comeback with a thin roster. It isn't just that -- it's the feeling as a fan. The feeling that it's just at that point where I'm ready for a new script. It's been a while coming.
I'm not saying he should be fired. That would be ridiculous. I'm just saying I'm ready for whatever comes next if he's like most college coaches nowadays and moves on. The only college coaches I've ever rooted for are Lute Olson and Sean Miller, and this is the first time I've started to feel fatigue for a coach. One of many things I'm grateful for is the way he's positioned the program for the future.
2014 was the year. It was a down year for college basketball when all of the bluebloods were reloading. It's pretty obvious we would have went to a FF and probably won it all if Ashley doesn't go down.cats101 wrote:How many 5 stars do you need to make a damn final fourLonghorned wrote:Really reaching the point where I'm ready for Miller to move on.
It could happen but it would be very rare. Coaches these days don't stay in a single job for an entire career. Regardless, Miller has raised Arizona to an elite program. As much as Lute did for Arizona, it was Miller who has cemented it as a destination job in an elite program, and not just a program defined by a single legendary coach. I'm pretty secure on that.dcZONAfan wrote:Wow. I hope Sean is our coach for the next 20 years. So I guess we see things a bit differentlyLonghorned wrote:He's a really good coach. Wouldn't trade him for anyone over these years (not even Calipari, and I do like Calipari, who may well have brought us some Final Fours). But as with a marriage, it keeps itching you until the realization can hit you at an unexpected moment, and an unfair and downright irrational moment, like an early December game that does absolutely nothing to make or break a season.
Being down so many players, I would have been shocked if Arizona won this game with such a thin roster. Though full of hope, I was imagining how we'd lose: trying to run Karnowski off the court but wearing our players down in the process, getting in foul trouble, etc. But somehow, after all this time, I'm always surprised by yet another helpless looking slow start. That was just what Arizona needed to put the nail in the coffin at the outset: trying to launch a comeback with a thin roster. It isn't just that -- it's the feeling as a fan. The feeling that it's just at that point where I'm ready for a new script. It's been a while coming.
I'm not saying he should be fired. That would be ridiculous. I'm just saying I'm ready for whatever comes next if he's like most college coaches nowadays and moves on. The only college coaches I've ever rooted for are Lute Olson and Sean Miller, and this is the first time I've started to feel fatigue for a coach. One of many things I'm grateful for is the way he's positioned the program for the future.
I truly believe it was 50/50 for an undefeated season. I'd say 80% we would have won it all.loomer wrote:2014 was the year. It was a down year for college basketball when all of the bluebloods were reloading. It's pretty obvious we would have went to a FF and probably won it all if Ashley doesn't go down.cats101 wrote:How many 5 stars do you need to make a damn final fourLonghorned wrote:Really reaching the point where I'm ready for Miller to move on.
This is where the palm to the face emoji would be, well, perfect.Longhorned wrote:
It could happen but it would be very rare. Coaches these days don't stay in a single job for an entire career. Regardless, Miller has raised Arizona to an elite program. As much as Lute did for Arizona, it was Miller who has cemented it as a destination job in an elite program, and not just a program defined by a single legendary coach. I'm pretty secure on that.
I feel like Arizona is unlikely to make it to a Final Four with Miller. Honestly, two years ago I also felt like Wright would never take Villanova to where it needed to be, so there's that. But this is just the point I've reached with my feelings as a very long-term fan: kind of done and ready for what's next when the time comes. Even it's just pure awful luck, something just seems off to me with the point guard recruiting, the refusal to vary up the defense, and the ridiculous amount of injuries.
... and nearly 100% we were going to the Final Four.Spaceman Spiff wrote:I truly believe it was 50/50 for an undefeated season. I'd say 80% we would have won it all.loomer wrote:2014 was the year. It was a down year for college basketball when all of the bluebloods were reloading. It's pretty obvious we would have went to a FF and probably won it all if Ashley doesn't go down.cats101 wrote:How many 5 stars do you need to make a damn final fourLonghorned wrote:Really reaching the point where I'm ready for Miller to move on.
Then Ashley went down.
ugh, what a depressing thread in these posts.Longhorned wrote:... and nearly 100% we were going to the Final Four.Spaceman Spiff wrote:I truly believe it was 50/50 for an undefeated season. I'd say 80% we would have won it all.loomer wrote:2014 was the year. It was a down year for college basketball when all of the bluebloods were reloading. It's pretty obvious we would have went to a FF and probably won it all if Ashley doesn't go down.cats101 wrote:How many 5 stars do you need to make a damn final fourLonghorned wrote:Really reaching the point where I'm ready for Miller to move on.
Then Ashley went down.
It's probably less about how many 5 stars and more about getting the right ones.cats101 wrote:How many 5 stars do you need to make a damn final fourLonghorned wrote:Really reaching the point where I'm ready for Miller to move on.
There is difference between recruits ranked in the top ten, sometimes in the top five, sometimes one or two or three in their class as compared to the 15-25 range in the class.CalStateTempe wrote:I do sometimes think that the 5 stars we get are different that ones going to UNC, DUKE, Kentucky, etc...
For sure, though Markannen and Ayton are as elite as they come, as was Gordon, and Stanley Johnson was no slouch. In a different era, Lute was a master evaluator of talent and upside in the kind of players that weren't bound for UCLA, UNC, Duke, etc. But Lute's strength doesn't readily translate to this era of one-and-done talent. Miller has had some misses on evaluation, but for the most part has assembled teams that could beat anyone in a one-and-out tourney game. The question remains whether he can get enough low-risk, high talent and coach it to a Final Four.CalStateTempe wrote:I do sometimes think that the 5 stars we get are different that ones going to UNC, DUKE, Kentucky, etc...
Agree wholeheartedly with this assessment. He didn't it with TJ and Dwill, but that's really the only two I can think of. Love Miller, but he has shown to have a certain level of RR stubbornness when it come to refusal to play or practice against non-packline types of D.Longhorned wrote:For sure, though Markannen and Ayton are as elite as they come, as was Gordon, and Stanley Johnson was no slouch. In a different era, Lute was a master evaluator of talent and upside in the kind of players that weren't bound for UCLA, UNC, Duke, etc. But Lute's strength doesn't readily translate to this era of one-and-done talent. Miller has had some misses on evaluation, but for the most part has assembled teams that could beat anyone in a one-and-out tourney game. The question remains whether he can get enough low-risk, high talent and coach it to a Final Four.CalStateTempe wrote:I do sometimes think that the 5 stars we get are different that ones going to UNC, DUKE, Kentucky, etc...
ChooChooCat wrote:Sean Miller needs to find a way to have two actual point guards on every team from this point forward.
Unless you're UCLA where Daddy Ball and the Compton Magic sure love handing over high level point guards there way, as of late at least.Merkin wrote:ChooChooCat wrote:Sean Miller needs to find a way to have two actual point guards on every team from this point forward.
Hardest position to recruit today, apparently. No doubt CSM is looking for the next TJ McConnell as I type this.
Honestly...you're not, although I'm not 100% there yet, I think he deserves more time. This bad luck of ours has got to come to an end soon.Longhorned wrote:It could happen but it would be very rare. Coaches these days don't stay in a single job for an entire career. Regardless, Miller has raised Arizona to an elite program. As much as Lute did for Arizona, it was Miller who has cemented it as a destination job in an elite program, and not just a program defined by a single legendary coach. I'm pretty secure on that.dcZONAfan wrote:Wow. I hope Sean is our coach for the next 20 years. So I guess we see things a bit differentlyLonghorned wrote:He's a really good coach. Wouldn't trade him for anyone over these years (not even Calipari, and I do like Calipari, who may well have brought us some Final Fours). But as with a marriage, it keeps itching you until the realization can hit you at an unexpected moment, and an unfair and downright irrational moment, like an early December game that does absolutely nothing to make or break a season.
Being down so many players, I would have been shocked if Arizona won this game with such a thin roster. Though full of hope, I was imagining how we'd lose: trying to run Karnowski off the court but wearing our players down in the process, getting in foul trouble, etc. But somehow, after all this time, I'm always surprised by yet another helpless looking slow start. That was just what Arizona needed to put the nail in the coffin at the outset: trying to launch a comeback with a thin roster. It isn't just that -- it's the feeling as a fan. The feeling that it's just at that point where I'm ready for a new script. It's been a while coming.
I'm not saying he should be fired. That would be ridiculous. I'm just saying I'm ready for whatever comes next if he's like most college coaches nowadays and moves on. The only college coaches I've ever rooted for are Lute Olson and Sean Miller, and this is the first time I've started to feel fatigue for a coach. One of many things I'm grateful for is the way he's positioned the program for the future.
I feel like Arizona is unlikely to make it to a Final Four with Miller. Honestly, two years ago I also felt like Wright would never take Villanova to where it needed to be, so there's that. But this is just the point I've reached with my feelings as a very long-term fan: kind of done and ready for what's next when the time comes. Even it's just pure awful luck, something just seems off to me with the point guard recruiting, the refusal to vary up the defense, and the ridiculous amount of injuries. I wonder if I'm really alone on this sentiment.
You are not alone in your sentiment, Longhorned. It certainly doesn't help that this season has gone south before it really began.Longhorned wrote:It could happen but it would be very rare. Coaches these days don't stay in a single job for an entire career. Regardless, Miller has raised Arizona to an elite program. As much as Lute did for Arizona, it was Miller who has cemented it as a destination job in an elite program, and not just a program defined by a single legendary coach. I'm pretty secure on that.dcZONAfan wrote:Wow. I hope Sean is our coach for the next 20 years. So I guess we see things a bit differentlyLonghorned wrote:He's a really good coach. Wouldn't trade him for anyone over these years (not even Calipari, and I do like Calipari, who may well have brought us some Final Fours). But as with a marriage, it keeps itching you until the realization can hit you at an unexpected moment, and an unfair and downright irrational moment, like an early December game that does absolutely nothing to make or break a season.
Being down so many players, I would have been shocked if Arizona won this game with such a thin roster. Though full of hope, I was imagining how we'd lose: trying to run Karnowski off the court but wearing our players down in the process, getting in foul trouble, etc. But somehow, after all this time, I'm always surprised by yet another helpless looking slow start. That was just what Arizona needed to put the nail in the coffin at the outset: trying to launch a comeback with a thin roster. It isn't just that -- it's the feeling as a fan. The feeling that it's just at that point where I'm ready for a new script. It's been a while coming.
I'm not saying he should be fired. That would be ridiculous. I'm just saying I'm ready for whatever comes next if he's like most college coaches nowadays and moves on. The only college coaches I've ever rooted for are Lute Olson and Sean Miller, and this is the first time I've started to feel fatigue for a coach. One of many things I'm grateful for is the way he's positioned the program for the future.
I feel like Arizona is unlikely to make it to a Final Four with Miller. Honestly, two years ago I also felt like Wright would never take Villanova to where it needed to be, so there's that. But this is just the point I've reached with my feelings as a very long-term fan: kind of done and ready for what's next when the time comes. Even it's just pure awful luck, something just seems off to me with the point guard recruiting, the refusal to vary up the defense, and the ridiculous amount of injuries. I wonder if I'm really alone on this sentiment.
Wasn't last year a down year? I'm not quite at the point where I would want Miller to move on, but I think after two disappointing seasons in a row, it is critical for him to turn things around during the 2017 season.Beachcat97 wrote:It's a down year, guys. Even good programs have them. Even if Trier and PJC make it back, who knows what our record will look like? How badly are we going to lose to UCLA and OR? Will we have anything close to a respectable tourney resume? We did beat MSU, so there's that. Here's hoping we can avoid going into full tailspin, get to the tourney, and lock up 2 more elite players for our '17 class. For the record, I hope CSM stays put.
Don't over react, I want Miller to stay unless all of these snakebites can be pinned on him.ChooChooCat wrote:One thing I can say is that the program certainly seems snakebit under his watch. Ashley in 2014, a Wisconsin who couldn't miss if it tried in 2015, Ray smith in 2016, Trier, Smith, Parker, and every thing else this year.Longhorned wrote:Really reaching the point where I'm ready for Miller to move on.
Is Barcello even a PG?ChooChooCat wrote:Sean Miller needs to find a way to have two actual point guards on every team from this point forward.
The 2015 Wisky game wasn't a total aberration. Count in me the group that thinks that the 2015 team was better than the 2014 team because our offense was superior and we had more balance. Unfortunately for us, the 2015 season was a stacked one at the top with Duke, Wisky, and Kentucky. And that Wisky game was emblematic of one of that team's biggest weaknesses, 3FG% defense. It ended up being Miller's 2nd worst 3FG% defense in his tenure at Arizona, just behind the 2013 team with Lyons, Solo, and company. Wisky possessed the most efficient offense in the KenPom era and got hot playing a mediocre 3FG% defense and against a scheme that can be vulnerable against the 3 when rotations aren't crisp. However, even with these deficiencies we walk to the FF in Villanova's bracket.Puerco wrote:I'm with you PoM. A little bit of fan weariness being expressed, and the overreactions begin. Of course people are weary, and yes in December even, when the prospects of a deep run in the tourney diminish with every high ankle sprain and blown ACL. It's been a damned long time for us, and this recent six year run of bad luck is depressing.
For me the weariness comes from the thought that if we can't reach the top with Miller, whom I firmly believe is one of the top five coaches in the country, how will we ever get there?
Just one year where that critical injury doesn't happen, that key player from the year before decides to not leave early, the opponent in the Elite Eight doesn't go all Utah-Wiskey on us... That's what this program needs to get over the hill.
ThisdcZONAfan wrote:This is a disappointing season already? 8 games in? Jesus fucking christ some of you are dipshits
Much different, not all 5*'s are created equal. Kentucky gets kids that should be in the NBA right now but they have to do a year because of the system. Only ones we've gotten that fit that profile were AG, Stanley, and now Lauri. Ayton shows up and he's number 4CalStateTempe wrote:I do sometimes think that the 5 stars we get are different that ones going to UNC, DUKE, Kentucky, etc...
Olsondogg being Olsondogg. Again.Olsondogg wrote:ThisdcZONAfan wrote:This is a disappointing season already? 8 games in? Jesus fucking christ some of you are dipshits
Also, this on-demand generation is fantastic. Once Miller gets your beloved final 4 appearance, you'll question if he ever will get a natty. Then he will get one, and you'll wonder if he ever can do it again.
People want to gripe, great. But perhaps look around a bit and realize when the last PAC team won a natty, or when one made a final 4 and let that percolate in the brain.
This should really be where the current discussion ends. With a full roster, we're fine.Main Event wrote:And this season isn't a lost cause at all. Once we get Zo and PJC back I think this team has the goods. Anybody really think we're not undefeated right now if we have Zo and PJC for both games?
I didn't say any of that you deranged twat. Keep the hard-on for me and my posts though, it's flattering.Puerco wrote:Olsondogg being Olsondogg. Again.Olsondogg wrote:ThisdcZONAfan wrote:This is a disappointing season already? 8 games in? Jesus fucking christ some of you are dipshits
Also, this on-demand generation is fantastic. Once Miller gets your beloved final 4 appearance, you'll question if he ever will get a natty. Then he will get one, and you'll wonder if he ever can do it again.
People want to gripe, great. But perhaps look around a bit and realize when the last PAC team won a natty, or when one made a final 4 and let that percolate in the brain.
How DARE you people have a discussion! How DARE you be dissatisfied! We DO NOT ALLOW basketball discussion on this website unless it's mindless blathering about just how great everything is going to be in March.
Don't you people realize that it's been a long time since the PAC won a natty, so therefore we're not allowed to want one.
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You're hilarious. But not in a haha-funny kind of way.
Totally. And when we look back at 2016, many people will call it one of Jill Stein's greatest campaigns.Chicat wrote:I get the feeling that when we look back at this season many people will call it one of Sean's greatest coaching jobs.
Longhorned wrote:It could happen but it would be very rare. Coaches these days don't stay in a single job for an entire career. Regardless, Miller has raised Arizona to an elite program. As much as Lute did for Arizona, it was Miller who has cemented it as a destination job in an elite program, and not just a program defined by a single legendary coach. I'm pretty secure on that.dcZONAfan wrote:Wow. I hope Sean is our coach for the next 20 years. So I guess we see things a bit differentlyLonghorned wrote:He's a really good coach. Wouldn't trade him for anyone over these years (not even Calipari, and I do like Calipari, who may well have brought us some Final Fours). But as with a marriage, it keeps itching you until the realization can hit you at an unexpected moment, and an unfair and downright irrational moment, like an early December game that does absolutely nothing to make or break a season.
Being down so many players, I would have been shocked if Arizona won this game with such a thin roster. Though full of hope, I was imagining how we'd lose: trying to run Karnowski off the court but wearing our players down in the process, getting in foul trouble, etc. But somehow, after all this time, I'm always surprised by yet another helpless looking slow start. That was just what Arizona needed to put the nail in the coffin at the outset: trying to launch a comeback with a thin roster. It isn't just that -- it's the feeling as a fan. The feeling that it's just at that point where I'm ready for a new script. It's been a while coming.
I'm not saying he should be fired. That would be ridiculous. I'm just saying I'm ready for whatever comes next if he's like most college coaches nowadays and moves on. The only college coaches I've ever rooted for are Lute Olson and Sean Miller, and this is the first time I've started to feel fatigue for a coach. One of many things I'm grateful for is the way he's positioned the program for the future.
I feel like Arizona is unlikely to make it to a Final Four with Miller. Honestly, two years ago I also felt like Wright would never take Villanova to where it needed to be, so there's that. But this is just the point I've reached with my feelings as a very long-term fan: kind of done and ready for what's next when the time comes. Even it's just pure awful luck, something just seems off to me with the point guard recruiting, the refusal to vary up the defense, and the ridiculous amount of injuries. I wonder if I'm really alone on this sentiment.
I'd never say your view (or point) is wrong.gumby wrote:Imagine Gonzaga without best Pg (Wlliams-Goss), 6-8 forward (Williams) and best scoring guard (Matthews) and staying within 7 of a fully manned Arizona team. They accounted for 30 points yesterday.
Starters would be: Perkins, Melson, Tillie, Collins, Karnowski.