Bear Down Wildcats

Steve Kerr: Memphis' Josh Pastner can't coach, period

Fixed it for Steve.

High energy guy, great recruiter, but a good coach?

Josh could go coach ASU for all I care.

3rd rate player, 2nd rate coach, and 1st rate douchebag is perfect for the afterthought that is ASU BB.

Olsondogg wrote:Ok cool. So he's going from where he couldn't win a conference title to a conference that Kansas has won for 11 years in a row.

Good luck with that.

Shaka may be in over his head at Texas. Apparently, Texas is signing him to a six-year contract. At least they have the money for what may be the inevitable buyout.

Maybe, just maybe Shaka with be able to now recruit the perfect talent for his system. I think he's going to clean up at Texas.

az91 wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:Ok cool. So he's going from where he couldn't win a conference title to a conference that Kansas has won for 11 years in a row.

Good luck with that.

Shaka may be in over his head at Texas. Apparently, Texas is signing him to a six-year contract. At least they have the money for what may be the inevitable buyout.

Shaka is probably 3x the coach Barnes is (not that the bar is high). I'll call it now, he'll do well.

CalStateTempe wrote:Maybe, just maybe Shaka with be able to now recruit the perfect talent for his system. I think he's going to clean up at Texas.

That is probably the question: will he just continue to run his system but be able to bring in kind with an extra half star of talent that's important for their position because Shaka is recruiting to Texas?

If he can do that I could see his generally fringe top 25 squads moving much closer to a general fringe top 10 squad.

Or will he change up his system entirely due to being able to recruit a new type of player?

It will be interesting to watch.

SCCats wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:Maybe, just maybe Shaka with be able to now recruit the perfect talent for his system. I think he's going to clean up at Texas.

That is probably the question: will he just continue to run his system but be able to bring in kind with an extra half star of talent that's important for their position because Shaka is recruiting to Texas?

If he can do that I could see his generally fringe top 25 squads moving much closer to a general fringe top 10 squad.

Or will he change up his system entirely due to being able to recruit a new type of player?

It will be interesting to watch.

His system is based in trying to pressure the other team, so the additional length and athleticism that comes with access to higher level recruits should only reinforce what he is already doing.

Texas will have reach in the recruiting game.

May take him a year or two to get things rolling though.

Merkin wrote:Steve Kerr: Memphis' Josh Pastner can't coach, period

Fixed it for Steve.

High energy guy, great recruiter, but a good coach?

Why would Pastner leave all the money on the table and leave? He's making huge money through 2020.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/pa ... on-year-ne

Would be smarter to get fired and collect all that money then to bail to ASU for less money.

Pastner at ASU would be hilarious. He should do it. It would work out great ... for Arizona.

Time to fire up the annual "Coach Cal to NBA" rumors I guess?

Yup the "cal has maxed out at Kentucky and will never do better so he wants the challenge of the nba..oh and Miller to Kentucky" rumors.

Chicat wrote:Pastner at ASU would be hilarious. He should do it. It would work out great ... for Arizona.

FYI: I don't believe in God, but I prayed yesterday that this would happen...

Olsondogg wrote:

Chicat wrote:Pastner at ASU would be hilarious. He should do it. It would work out great ... for Arizona.

FYI: I don't believe in God, but I prayed yesterday that this would happen...

Zero Chance

azgreg wrote:

Is that a religious school? If so, what is their stance on framing a murdered guy for drug dealing to avoid their other corruption being uncovered.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: Is that a religious school? If so, what is their stance on framing a murdered guy for drug dealing to avoid their other corruption being uncovered.

Accepting Jesus as your saviour, or professing to do so does wonders at a Chrisitan school. Read the attached article.

azgreg wrote:

Wonder what he put under "Reason For Leaving Previous Job."

azcat34 wrote:

Utah extends their coach who has done a good job building their program who is now under contract for eight years into the future at $2.4M a year.

Bama offers mid major coach $4M a year and gets turned down.

#basketballschool #notabasketballschool

SCCats wrote:

azcat34 wrote:

Utah extends their coach who has done a good job building their program who is now under contract for eight years into the future at $2.4M a year.

Bama offers mid major coach $4M a year and gets turned down.

#basketballschool #notabasketballschool

Utah is, without a shadow of a doubt, a football school.

Salty wrote:

SCCats wrote:

azcat34 wrote:

Utah extends their coach who has done a good job building their program who is now under contract for eight years into the future at $2.4M a year.

Bama offers mid major coach $4M a year and gets turned down.

#basketballschool #notabasketballschool

Utah is, without a shadow of a doubt, a football school.

Incorrect. Utah probably has the third best basketball tradition west of Lawrence Kansas besidea Arizona and UCLA

ASUHATER! wrote:

Salty wrote:

SCCats wrote:

azcat34 wrote:

Utah extends their coach who has done a good job building their program who is now under contract for eight years into the future at $2.4M a year.

Bama offers mid major coach $4M a year and gets turned down.

#basketballschool #notabasketballschool

Utah is, without a shadow of a doubt, a football school.

Incorrect. Utah probably has the third best basketball tradition west of Lawrence Kansas besidea Arizona and UCLA

The underlined part is spot on, although the part in bold is an awfully big stretch...

But there is no question that Utah ranks higher in the west wrt basketball tradition than it ranks in football tradition, and it is not close.

Salty has some very odd takes...

ASUHATER! wrote:

Salty wrote:

SCCats wrote:

azcat34 wrote:

Utah extends their coach who has done a good job building their program who is now under contract for eight years into the future at $2.4M a year.

Bama offers mid major coach $4M a year and gets turned down.

#basketballschool #notabasketballschool

Utah is, without a shadow of a doubt, a football school.

Incorrect. Utah probably has the third best basketball tradition west of Lawrence Kansas besidea Arizona and UCLA

UNLV is actually #3, but Utah is good too.

I guarantee that if you took a poll as to which was more valuable... Students and alumni would say football.

Utah went undefeated just a few years ago. They also beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. They have been very good, and finally seem to have adjusted to the PAC-12.

Utah basketball though... One Final Four is 50+ years and a National Championship during WWII, does not a basketball powerhouse make.

Salty wrote:I guarantee that if you took a poll as to which was more valuable... Students and alumni would say football.

Utah went undefeated just a few years ago. They also beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. They have been very good, and finally seem to have adjusted to the PAC-12.

Utah basketball though... One Final Four is 50+ years and a National Championship during WWII, does not a basketball powerhouse make.

The question isn't "Is it a basketball school or is it a football school." The question is whether the job is a good basketball job: facilities, fan support, tradition, historical support from the AD for the program, etc etc.

The coaches know which jobs are good (like Utah). The coaches know which ones are bad (Bama, ASU), so even when those schools offer relatively huge sums of money they get no takers. And it's funny to watch those schools that are bad jobs think they can just offer a $3M+ salary and turn things around just like that; instead they end up getting very publicly turned down embarrassed and put blinders on as to why that just happened. "Perhaps if we just offer $3.5M instead of $3M..."

neither is correct. 'tah is a gymnastics school.

Salty wrote:I guarantee that if you took a poll as to which was more valuable... Students and alumni would say football.

Utah went undefeated just a few years ago. They also beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. They have been very good, and finally seem to have adjusted to the PAC-12.

Utah basketball though... One Final Four is 50+ years and a National Championship during WWII, does not a basketball powerhouse make.

You really should learn to quit while you are behind, and get out from beyond those glasses which make your view of such matters so myopic. Your college-aged facebook friends, and other members of the YouTube generation, are unique in your tendency to make snap judgments and vast generalizations based on the latest headline.

Utah is not a powerhouse in BB; they have certainly been closer to one on the hardwood than they have been on the gridiron. It should not surprise me that you might classify Utah FB as a powerhouse, but it does.

Look at the achievements and staure of their respective programs over the duration which represents the modern era. Historical record, conference standing, playoff appearances and performances, etc Notre Dame cam within a whisper of a Final 4 this year; that does not make them a BB school.

It makes me wonder if you were sick the day they taught law at Law School.

All Time Appearances in the Final AP Basketball Poll:

40 UCLA
25 Arizona
20 Utah
16 UNLV

Salty wrote:I guarantee that if you took a poll as to which was more valuable... Students and alumni would say football.

Utah went undefeated just a few years ago. They also beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. They have been very good, and finally seem to have adjusted to the PAC-12.

Utah basketball though... One Final Four is 50+ years and a National Championship during WWII, does not a basketball powerhouse make.

You really need to stop speaking in absolutes, it's not a good look for you ... Become familiar with the phrase "In my opinion ..." or "IMO" if that's too much for you to type.

Utah is a basketball school, their tradition and history of success in basketball is far longer than it is in football, where all you have to lean on is the last 12 years or so.

There is a reason the Huntsman center is one of the biggest arena's in college bball while Rice-Eccles is small by most big 5 conference football standards.

Utah is and has been a bball school. Great history of success. Ootbal may be more popular but that doesn't change the spots on this leopard

azcat49 wrote:There is a reason the Huntsman center is one of the biggest arena's in college bball while Rice-Eccles is small by most big 5 conference football standards.

Utah is and has been a bball school. Great history of success. Ootbal may be more popular but that doesn't change the spots on this leopard

The reason is because Salt Lake City wanted a large venue for entertainment and sports.

The record capacity crowd is for Women's Gymnastics, not basketball.

They made one Final Four in more than 50 years. That's not a basketball school.

They've also been to 3 elite 8s,13 sweet sixteens, 22 tournaments, and won 17 conference titles in that 50 years(mostly in the wac and Mwc) and are 14th all time in college basketball history in total wins. So yes, they are a basketball school.

ASUHATER! wrote:They've also been to 3 elite 8s,13 sweet sixteens, 22 tournaments, and won 17 conference titles in that 50 years(mostly in the wac and Mwc) and are 14th all time in college basketball history in total wins. So yes, they are a basketball school.

Three Elite 8's in 50 years is not a basketball school. Not even close.

Considering they were a mid major for almost that whole period...it's impressive. Utah is probably a top 30, maybe top 25 program all time.

Salty wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote: They've also been to 3 elite 8s,13 sweet sixteens, 22 tournaments, and won 17 conference titles in that 50 years(mostly in the wac and Mwc) and are 14th all time in college basketball history in total wins. So yes, they are a basketball school.

Three Elite 8's in 50 years is not a basketball school. Not even close.

It exceeds the football team's accomplishments. A Fiesta Bowl. A Sugar Bowl.

Salty wrote:

azcat49 wrote:There is a reason the Huntsman center is one of the biggest arena's in college bball while Rice-Eccles is small by most big 5 conference football standards.

Utah is and has been a bball school. Great history of success. Ootbal may be more popular but that doesn't change the spots on this leopard

The reason is because Salt Lake City wanted a large venue for entertainment and sports.

Ummm, they already have one of those:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EnergySolutions_Arena

EnergySolutions Arena (originally Delta Center) is an indoor arena, in Salt Lake City, Utah, United States, owned by Jazz Basketball Investors, Inc., the estate of Larry H. Miller. The arena seats 19,911 for basketball, has 56 luxury suites, and 668 club seats.

Almost 5,000 more seats than the Huntsman Center.

UAEebs86 wrote:

Salty wrote:

azcat49 wrote:There is a reason the Huntsman center is one of the biggest arena's in college bball while Rice-Eccles is small by most big 5 conference football standards.

Utah is and has been a bball school. Great history of success. Ootbal may be more popular but that doesn't change the spots on this leopard

The reason is because Salt Lake City wanted a large venue for entertainment and sports.

Ummm, they already have one of those:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EnergySolutions_Arena

EnergySolutions Arena (originally Delta Center) is an indoor arena, in Salt Lake City, Utah, United States, owned by Jazz Basketball Investors, Inc., the estate of Larry H. Miller. The arena seats 19,911 for basketball, has 56 luxury suites, and 668 club seats.

Almost 5,000 more seats than the Huntsman Center.

And the Salt Palace before that.

And they played in the Huntsman in the 70 ' s with Jerry Pima as there coach and had some great great teams and players. Luther Ticky Burden, Mike Sojourner, Danny Vranes, Tom Chambers just to name a few. Gymnastics has been a Johnny come lately sport which they have excelled at but they are a bball school first and formost

I showed this thread to a co-worker who went to Utah and he is laughing his ass off at Salty's posts.

Why do you speak so confidently about stuff you know nothing about man?

Ever since they won a national title in basketball - 1944 - they've been a basketball school. Etched in stone, and 12 years of relative success in football does not change that. Using only the last 20 years as a frame of reference is the refuge of a Millenial. Three Elite Eights since 1950 alone doesn't make them a basketball school - although plenty of other so-called "basketball schools" have done less - it's the 29 conference titles since 1931 that makes them a basketball school.

Like I said, stop speaking in absolutes Salty ... You know jack shit about the airline industry, never mind what makes a school a "basketball" or a "football" school ...

Well, if they are a basketball school, they're a lousy one. Is Oregon State a basketball school?

Like I've said before, the basketball school vs football school is a non-factor. Texas hired a coach who said no to UCLA, Maryland, Illinois, and NC State. And our very own Sean Miller, who most would claim is at a "basketball" school, used to have interest in the Ohio State job, if that ever opened up.

Then you,must have missed the 70's straight through the 90's ending with Majerus.

From: The ESPN/Sagarin All-Time Rankings (72 Years)
"ESPN College Basketball Encyclopedia" (October 2009)

2 UCLA
19 Utah
25 USC
30 Stanford
34 California
35 Washington
40 Oregon State
49 Arizona
50 Oregon
51 Colorado
70 Washington State
94 Tempe Normal

NCAA Tournament champions
1944
NCAA Tournament runner up
1998
NCAA Tournament Final Four
1944, 1961, 1966, 1998


ASU?

azcat49 wrote:Then you,must have missed the 70's straight through the 90's ending with Majerus.

Yeah, he did well in the WAC, got to the Final Four, and a few Elite Eights.

That's the coach. Not the program.

A football or basketball school transcends one coach. For example, Boise State is a "football" school because their success has been sustained over a relatively long period of time regardless of who was coach. Same could be said for Louisville basketball.

Labeling every school out there as a football or basketball school is a waste of time. There are probably 10 programs in the country that are legitimately basketball only programs. Kansas, Duke, Kentucky, and North Carolina come to mind. As well as programs which don't have football programs, and so are basketball schools by default, like Villanova, Xavier, and Gonzaga. Most other schools typically spend the most energy and money on their football programs because football is far more lucrative and popular.

Getting upset that basketball isn't as popular as football is ridiculous. I see no reason as to why a school can't have both a successful basketball and football team. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Hell, Arizona had very good football and basketball teams this very year!

azcat34 wrote:I showed this thread to a co-worker who went to Utah and he is laughing his ass off at Salty's posts.

Why do you speak so confidently about stuff you know nothing about man?

Because judging from his posts he does not know shit about much of anything... He can't keep his mouth shut... And he must have taken a class where he was told that it is important to be confident when speaking.

But he knows the lay of the land more than a Utah alumnus....

So guess Urban's dream season during his 2 year stint, and Whittingham's one great season before joining the PAC are what he claims is superior to their historical achievements in BB. But hey, they both happened since he got his driver's license, which is all that matters in Salty's world.

Harvey Specter wrote:

azcat34 wrote:I showed this thread to a co-worker who went to Utah and he is laughing his ass off at Salty's posts.

Why do you speak so confidently about stuff you know nothing about man?

Because judging from his posts he does not know shit about much of anything... He can't keep his mouth shut... And he must have taken a class where he was told that it is important to be confident when speaking.

But he knows the lay of the land more than a Utah alumnus....

So guess Urban's dream season during his 2 year stint, and Whittingham's one great season before joining the PAC are what he claims is superior to their historical achievements in BB. But hey, they both happened since he got his driver's license, which is all that matters in Salty's world.

Sigh.

Ok. Fine. Utah is a mighty basketball school. How can Arizona possibly compete with them? I mean, they went to the Final Four the same number of times Arizona has. And have the same number of titles. And have a larger arena.

I can't think of a single reason why anyone, anywhere, would ever even think to choose a school over mighty Utah. Rumor has it that the players of the Utah Jazz are currently trying to figure out ways around their ineligibility just to play for the mighty, powerful, Utes.