UCLA Basketball in trouble!

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:55 pm

Putting your point of view into UCLA'S situation is silly. Most of that narrative is far-fetched or outdated. Most fans perception of UCLA is more outdated than ucla fans perspective actually is. So a healthy dialog, while appreciative, probably wouldn't really accomplish much other than a chorus of "heh's"

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:25 pm

Then what does it take to have an earnest, honest dialogue working toward a solution on the UCLA basketball mess, Bug?

Is fighting the UC bureaucracy that disengaging?

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:41 pm

The first step in fixing the basketball situation is fixing the AD situation. He shouldn't be allowed to hire his third basketball coach to go along with already have hired his third football coach. None of which who moved on on their own accord. Bringing up Wooden to describe the fan base is just lazy, not to mention about two plus decades outdated..

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:49 pm

MrBug708 wrote:Putting your point of view into UCLA'S situation is silly. Most of that narrative is far-fetched or outdated. Most fans perception of UCLA is more outdated than ucla fans perspective actually is. So a healthy dialog, while appreciative, probably wouldn't really accomplish much other than a chorus of "heh's"

Far-fetched? It's perfectly in line with that playbook so far. Inept AD, no program foundation, year 2, etc. Outdated? History repeats my friend.

UCLA fans are worse than any other fan base, they want their coach fired now. What support, in year 1.3.

He never had a chance from the beginning. Sad. But he did it to himself leaving NM after that 10 year contract and his excitement to be there for the long term. He had the full support of the AD, Fans, Community. Nice facilities, good assistants (Noodle), a philosophy in place, Etc. He's had good success there. He had a great team coming back.

Why did he leave?!?

The glitz and the glamor? CSA obviously did not do his due diligence and just said YES when asked.

Could be a career dagger IMO

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:02 pm

Not hiring Lorenzo Romar was the dagger now twisting in the ribs of UCLA basketball. Brad Stevens will be at Indiana after this season and no other Division I coach with NCAA tournament wins wants to touch the Bruins' job at this point.

Going after Romar now will be a day late and a dollar short.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:10 pm

catgrad97 wrote:Not hiring Lorenzo Romar was the dagger now twisting in the ribs of UCLA basketball. Brad Stevens will be at Indiana after this season and no other Division I coach with NCAA tournament wins wants to touch the Bruins' job at this point.

Going after Romar now will be a day late and a dollar short.

This. Romar makes a lot of sense. And more importantly, Miller > Romar

Heh.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:13 pm

Bosy Billups wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:Putting your point of view into UCLA'S situation is silly. Most of that narrative is far-fetched or outdated. Most fans perception of UCLA is more outdated than ucla fans perspective actually is. So a healthy dialog, while appreciative, probably wouldn't really accomplish much other than a chorus of "heh's"
Far-fetched? It's perfectly in line with that playbook so far. Inept AD, no program foundation, year 2, etc. Outdated? History repeats my friend.

UCLA fans are worse than any other fan base, they want their coach fired now. What support, in year 1.3.

He never had a chance from the beginning. Sad. But he did it to himself leaving NM after that 10 year contract and his excitement to be there for the long term. He had the full support of the AD, Fans, Community. Nice facilities, good assistants (Noodle), a philosophy in place, Etc. He's had good success there. He had a great team coming back.

Why did he leave?!?

The glitz and the glamor? CSA obviously did not do his due diligence and just said YES when asked.

Could be a career dagger IMO

Again. Outdated take. Arizona fans wanted KON out after one year. Sounds much worse than UCLA fans. See how I can make an overly simplistic take with whatever factors I wanted to use?

But I do agree that both UCLA and New Mexico would have been better off had neither of them made the marriage.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:15 pm

catgrad97 wrote:Not hiring Lorenzo Romar was the dagger now twisting in the ribs of UCLA basketball. Brad Stevens will be at Indiana after this season and no other Division I coach with NCAA tournament wins wants to touch the Bruins' job at this point.

Going after Romar now will be a day late and a dollar short.

Now you are just trolling me...lol

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:22 pm

MrBug708 wrote:
Bosy Billups wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:Putting your point of view into UCLA'S situation is silly. Most of that narrative is far-fetched or outdated. Most fans perception of UCLA is more outdated than ucla fans perspective actually is. So a healthy dialog, while appreciative, probably wouldn't really accomplish much other than a chorus of "heh's"
Far-fetched? It's perfectly in line with that playbook so far. Inept AD, no program foundation, year 2, etc. Outdated? History repeats my friend.

UCLA fans are worse than any other fan base, they want their coach fired now. What support, in year 1.3.

He never had a chance from the beginning. Sad. But he did it to himself leaving NM after that 10 year contract and his excitement to be there for the long term. He had the full support of the AD, Fans, Community. Nice facilities, good assistants (Noodle), a philosophy in place, Etc. He's had good success there. He had a great team coming back.

Why did he leave?!?

The glitz and the glamor? CSA obviously did not do his due diligence and just said YES when asked.

Could be a career dagger IMO
Again. Outdated take. Arizona fans wanted KON out after one year. Sounds much worse than UCLA fans. See how I can make an overly simplistic take with whatever factors I wanted to use?

But I do agree that both UCLA and New Mexico would have been better off had neither of them made the marriage.

Well Yes, duh, they are not exactly the same. I'm just saying there are similarities.

For example, if Lute had a clean transition and announced retirement then DG had to find a replacement, it'd probably be hard.

Howland is not Lute, but in the same way, it was very hard for DG to get a top level coach.

After 4 years of craziness, the program needed someone to rebuild it from the ground up, in no one's shadow, a 2.0 version.

UCLA needs the same.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:37 pm

I'll send DG an email

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:44 pm

MrBug708 wrote:I'll send DG an email

lol, his domain @aol.com?

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:55 pm

Numbers @compuserve

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:18 pm

MrBug708 wrote:Numbers @compuserve

dantheman@prodigy.com

CatsbyAZ · Post by **CatsbyAZ** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:35 am

catgrad97 wrote:Not hiring Lorenzo Romar was the dagger now twisting in the ribs of UCLA basketball. Brad Stevens will be at Indiana after this season and no other Division I coach with NCAA tournament wins wants to touch the Bruins' job at this point.

Going after Romar now will be a day late and a dollar short.

Completely agree that Brad Stevens will be in Bloomington soon enough, and Steve Alford will lobby hard for the IU job just like he did during his time at Iowa.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:40 am

8. UCLA: This team is in an awful lot of trouble. The Bruins have dropped five in a row, and as I mentioned they're now 0-7 against top-100 teams. It seems like this team has some pretty major, fatal flaws on offense that probably can't be fixed mid-season. Bryce Alford is a solid collegiate point guard, but he's the only guy the Bruins can consistently count upon to create offensive looks in the halfcourt. Looney and Powell are probably going to get drafted this year, but Looney is still really raw and Powell still struggles handling the ball in tight spaces. Plus, they have absolutely no depth. With Wanaah Bail now suspended, the team only goes seven-deep regularly with another raw freshman, Thomas Welsh, and Noah Allen. The five departures from last offseason -- Kyle Anderson, Zach LaVine and Jordan Adams, along with the Wear twins -- have proved too much to overcome. It seems unlikely this team goes dancing unless they make a major overhaul.

Yikes.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb ... c-12-reset

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:47 am

CatsbyAZ wrote: A) I agree that other programs have not picked up the slack for UCLA this year.

B) I agree that it's preferable to have UCLA as a top representative PAC 12 program, alongside Arizona.

C) The beef is twofold - 1) I've never been a fan of rooting for rivals because it helps the conference or whatever. That's something the SEC has gone way overboard with starting in 2006 and everybody else decided to likewise follow them off the conference banter cliff. 2) Whether it's for the conference or not why oh why should I ever be compelled to root for UCLA??? Please don't tell us to root for UCLA just to get the indirect effect it has on AZ. I'll take rooting against UCLA at the expense of the conference most any day.

I'm certainly not going to argue that with you!

I have conference loyalty because I had to live in North Carolina for 10 years. If you don't live surrounded by an overwhelming sense of basketball hubris, then I can see your point, but for me, I would rather have had 11 of the 12 PAC teams win a natty than anyone in the ACC. That was back in the old pre-expansion days, though, so my hatred has been diluted down a bit.

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:27 am

CatsbyAZ wrote:
catgrad97 wrote:Not hiring Lorenzo Romar was the dagger now twisting in the ribs of UCLA basketball. Brad Stevens will be at Indiana after this season and no other Division I coach with NCAA tournament wins wants to touch the Bruins' job at this point.

Going after Romar now will be a day late and a dollar short.
Completely agree that Brad Stevens will be in Bloomington soon enough, and Steve Alford will lobby hard for the IU job just like he did during his time at Iowa.

Da fuq? Stevens to Indiana? Why the hell would he want to do that? If there was a college program in that area, it would be duke. Not little short hoosier town. Are there sources?

Also, what makes everyone think he's going to either get fired or bolt from the Celtics? If he gets the train going, he ain't leaving.

Besides, UCLA thinks they'll get him after Alford.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:49 am

Is their next win at the Galen Center?

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:15 am

Bosy Billups wrote:
CatsbyAZ wrote:
catgrad97 wrote:Not hiring Lorenzo Romar was the dagger now twisting in the ribs of UCLA basketball. Brad Stevens will be at Indiana after this season and no other Division I coach with NCAA tournament wins wants to touch the Bruins' job at this point.

Going after Romar now will be a day late and a dollar short.
Completely agree that Brad Stevens will be in Bloomington soon enough, and Steve Alford will lobby hard for the IU job just like he did during his time at Iowa.
Da fuq? Stevens to Indiana? Why the hell would he want to do that? If there was a college program in that area, it would be duke. Not little short hoosier town. Are there sources?

Also, what makes everyone think he's going to either get fired or bolt from the Celtics? If he gets the train going, he ain't leaving.

Besides, UCLA thinks they'll get him after Alford.

I dont think ucla fans think they'll get him. It would take the right storm of him being unemployed and ready to go back to college and ucla having an opening and Duke or another East program not having an opening.

I'd said Marshall would be the top realistic guy. If only DG hadn't been so lazy and waited a week

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:19 am

I like that fans are talking about the next coach, but meanwhile the one they don't want currently just got an extension prior to this season.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb ... -with-ucla

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:19 am

MrBug708 wrote:
Bosy Billups wrote:
CatsbyAZ wrote:
catgrad97 wrote:Not hiring Lorenzo Romar was the dagger now twisting in the ribs of UCLA basketball. Brad Stevens will be at Indiana after this season and no other Division I coach with NCAA tournament wins wants to touch the Bruins' job at this point.

Going after Romar now will be a day late and a dollar short.
Completely agree that Brad Stevens will be in Bloomington soon enough, and Steve Alford will lobby hard for the IU job just like he did during his time at Iowa.
Da fuq? Stevens to Indiana? Why the hell would he want to do that? If there was a college program in that area, it would be duke. Not little short hoosier town. Are there sources?

Also, what makes everyone think he's going to either get fired or bolt from the Celtics? If he gets the train going, he ain't leaving.

Besides, UCLA thinks they'll get him after Alford.
I dont think ucla fans think they'll get him. It would take the right storm of him being unemployed and ready to go back to college and ucla having an opening and Duke or another East program not having an opening.

I'd said Marshall would be the top realistic guy. If only DG hadn't been so lazy and waited a week

Was there a realistic shot at Marshall? He seems like a "good 'ol boy" happy in mizzura. He would be great in the Pac-12 and have the personality to handle the job.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:43 am

For its next hire, UCLA will have to do something similar to when they hired Jim Herrick out of Pepperdine. It's an entry-level job to the high major level, and not one that leads from a high-profile mid-major like Butler, Wichita State, or Gonzaga. No big name coach is going to UCLA, least of all Brad Stevens who already turned them down.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:56 am

Alford's buyout is over $10M.

CatsbyAZ · Post by **CatsbyAZ** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:02 am

Merkin wrote:Alford's buyout is over $10M.

WTF!?!?!

That's absurd!

That's a case of Dan Guerrero thinking - "Well if I pay him that much, he must be worth that much!"

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:03 am

Merkin wrote:Alford's buyout is over $10M.

He's not going anywhere.

salim'sheadband · Post by **salim'sheadband** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:37 pm

All I know is if we lose to the steaming pile of dogshit that UCLA purports to call a basketball team this year I'm going to lose my motherfucking mind.

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:51 pm

In this day and age, $10mm really isn't that crazy. There's a ton of money out there. If they want him gone, they'll get him gone. But probably wouldn't do it without a guaranteed successor that's better.

legallykenny · Post by **legallykenny** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:30 pm

salim'sheadband wrote:All I know is if we lose to the steaming pile of dogshit that UCLA purports to call a basketball team this year I'm going to lose my motherfucking mind.

I'm sure Alford will adopt the late-Howland-era approach of coaching up exactly 3 (or in this year's case 2) games a year, all of which happen to be against us.

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:07 pm

legallykenny wrote:
salim'sheadband wrote:All I know is if we lose to the steaming pile of dogshit that UCLA purports to call a basketball team this year I'm going to lose my motherfucking mind.
I'm sure Alford will adopt the late-Howland-era approach of coaching up exactly 3 (or in this year's case 2) games a year, all of which happen to be against us.

We're only guaranteed to play UCLA once. Too soon to tell if we'll get them in Vegas.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:22 pm

I have no doubt that if the unfathomable happens, the Arizona faithful will have someone to blame

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:23 pm

MrBug708 wrote:I have no doubt that if the unfathomable happens, the Arizona faithful will have someone to blame

Just as long as you are here to spew your brilliance for us, we will all be alright...

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:26 pm

MrBug708 wrote:I have no doubt that if the unfathomable happens, the Arizona faithful will have someone to blame

Ed Rush? If Arizona loses to UCLA, I'm blaming Steve Alford's mother who lays out his lucky game-day trousers out for him.

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:36 pm

Oh snap, not sure if this is allowed here, and if not, delete. But why not, the other site's message board is shut down. Maybe we can grab other golden threads?

GoAzCats: "Pastner to Kentucky?"

http://forum.goazcats.com/showthread.php?p=792260

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:56 pm

MrBug708 wrote:I have no doubt that if the unfathomable happens, the Arizona faithful will have someone to blame

He touched the ball.

Michael Irving says hi from Cancun.

SCCat · Post by **SCCat** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:24 pm

Has anyone seen any comment yet this week from Guerrero (or anyone else very high up in the UCLA structure) about the basketball games this weekend, or do they seem to be just letting it slide?

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:38 pm

Free shirts on sunday. Which is saying something because the AD doesn't give anything for free.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:43 pm

MrBug708 wrote:Free shirts on sunday. Which is saying something because the AD doesn't give anything for free.

HEH!

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:24 pm

Stevens isn't leaving the Celtics for Indiana... Don't see him leaving the Celtics before he actually get a chance to coach the team Ainge is building. They have 1000000000 1st round picks in the next 3 years.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:42 am

UCla a .500 team tonigh? With no conference wins, last place?

Katzenfreund · Post by **Katzenfreund** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:29 am

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:05 am

MrBug708 wrote:Free shirts on sunday. Which is saying something because the AD doesn't give anything for free.

"I went to the UCLA game and all I got was this lousy t-shirt"

azcat34 · Post by **azcat34** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:40 am

How is Dan Guerrero still an AD?

That's the most incredible thing out of the whole Alford/UCLA BBall situation this year.

SCCat · Post by **SCCat** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:29 pm

azcat34 wrote:How is Dan Guerrero still an AD?

That's the most incredible thing out of the whole Alford/UCLA BBall situation this year.

I agree about Guerrero. I just can't fathom that, with UCLA at a triple digit rpi at about the halfway point of a season, there aren't death flames coming out of the AD's office directed at Alford.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:20 pm

What will the attendance be for the Stanford game tonight? Tipoff is at 6 so you know traffic will be an issue. My guess is 4000

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:28 pm

I don't think the Buyout was Dan's idea.

DG *HAD* to give that to lure even a coach of Alford's caliber over. He just signed a 10 year extension. He wasn't moving without assurances.

The scary thing is, if not Alford, then who? (no, not Marshall)

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:29 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:What will the attendance be for the Stanford game tonight? Tipoff is at 6 so you know traffic will be an issue. My guess is 4000

All I know, if UCLA loses tonight's game... 6 game streak. #WOW

Explosions

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:15 pm

Bosy Billups wrote:I don't think the Buyout was Dan's idea.

DG *HAD* to give that to lure even a coach of Alford's caliber over. He just signed a 10 year extension. He wasn't moving without assurances.

The scary thing is, if not Alford, then who? (no, not Marshall)

No

CBCat · Post by **CBCat** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:03 pm

At least give that money to someone who can actually coach, recruit, and build a program. jeeeez

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:01 pm

MrBug708 wrote:
Bosy Billups wrote:I don't think the Buyout was Dan's idea.

DG *HAD* to give that to lure even a coach of Alford's caliber over. He just signed a 10 year extension. He wasn't moving without assurances.

The scary thing is, if not Alford, then who? (no, not Marshall)
No

Why would he do it then? Was Alford's agent Gordon Gecko?

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:59 pm

Maybe DG is incompetent?

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