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AZCatGirl wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:08 am So glad this is the last year in this shitty ass conference. UCLA can go make the Big 10 look bad next year.
They can win the Big 10.....not so much the big 12.
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That would crack me up if UCLA won the B1G next year, and like Oregon came in 3rd, and great if we won the Big12.
All these years "oh the pac 12 sucks" and the first year after the diaspora, Pac teams thrive in their new conferences.

Probly too much to ask for Furd to win the ACC and Washington st to win the Pactain West or Mountain Pac or whatever they end up in.
Arizona State might have the most surprisingly anemic history in men's basketball of any program that you might think is better than it is.
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U.P. Zona Fan wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2023 3:19 am That would crack me up if UCLA won the B1G next year, and like Oregon came in 3rd, and great if we won the Big12.
All these years "oh the pac 12 sucks" and the first year after the diaspora, Pac teams thrive in their new conferences.

Probly too much to ask for Furd to win the ACC and Washington st to win the Pactain West or Mountain Pac or whatever they end up in.
I suppose you've heard: "Be careful what you wish for" before...

Be careful.
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U.P. Zona Fan wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2023 3:19 am That would crack me up if UCLA won the B1G next year, and like Oregon came in 3rd, and great if we won the Big12.
All these years "oh the pac 12 sucks" and the first year after the diaspora, Pac teams thrive in their new conferences.

Probly too much to ask for Furd to win the ACC and Washington st to win the Pactain West or Mountain Pac or whatever they end up in.
ucla has zero chance of winning the B1G next season. If they only win the Pac once every ten years, why would anyone think they'll do better in a harder conference? And as good as the B1G is, it's still way behind the Big 12. Look at the current rankings.
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Mick needs to get a great offensive coach and leave him alone. UCLA scored what we did in about 22 minutes against a team not known this year for their defense.
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TheCat wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:54 pm Mick needs to get a great offensive coach and leave him alone. UCLA scored what we did in about 22 minutes against a team not known this year for their defense.
Interesting that as soon as you take all those Alford holdovers away from him, Cronin regresses to his usual performance level as a coach. There’s a reason that in 15 years at Cincy he wasn’t once offered a better job.
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Rough game. Definitely going to be a season of development more than anything else. Just need to make the tournament and keep everyone for next year.
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Give Mick time. His Imodium-D(efense) will take effect (follow directions carefully). He'll staunch the flow of any (bowel) movement anywhere in the country. Veteran travelers don't leave home without it.
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The natives are starting to turn on Cronin. It was only a matter of time. He's better suited for a 3rd tier job like Cincy.
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I still wanna go out drinkin' wit da guy.
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Beachcat97 wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2023 12:38 pm The natives are starting to turn on Cronin. It was only a matter of time. He's better suited for a 3rd tier job like Cincy.
He’s definitely more “rust belt” than LA glitz
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Mick is a good coach that is wound up too tight and therefore gets his players thinking too much… kind of like a certain former AZ coach

I’d 100% rather have someone like Tommy “Let er Rip” Lloyd leading the way
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UAEebs86 wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2023 11:04 am
Must have been when he was calling out Bona on his lack of boards.
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Alieberman wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2023 12:54 pm Mick is a good coach that is wound up too tight and therefore gets his players thinking too much… kind of like a certain former AZ coach
100% agree. It takes a certain kind of player to thrive under Mick (and recently not necessarily the players he's responsible for recruiting). He's a wise tyrant, but a tyrant nonetheless. Compare to Tommy I-love-you-but Lloyd whose guys play out of love for him and the game, and it's a contrast of bondage vs liberation.
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Beachcat97 wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:54 pm
TheCat wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:54 pm Mick needs to get a great offensive coach and leave him alone. UCLA scored what we did in about 22 minutes against a team not known this year for their defense.
Interesting that as soon as you take all those Alford holdovers away from him, Cronin regresses to his usual performance level as a coach. There’s a reason that in 15 years at Cincy he wasn’t once offered a better job.
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ucla fired a coach who went to three straight FFs. He also won the Pac the year he was fired. He was the best coach they've had since Wooden. And he got fired.

It shows how that program is somehow plagued by its own history. They're no longer an elite program, but fans and boosters see it differently.

They've offered their HC job to Few, Shaka, Barnes, Stevens. None of the A-listers want it. So they keep getting these mediocre guys like Alford and Cronin who probably would've traded their left arm to move out of Albuquerque or Cincinnati.

Cronin is already mis-managing their recruiting, going all in on eager-to-go-pro Euros while Arizona, USC, Oregon, Duke and others are getting the best preps from California.

We'll see if Cronin can turn things around this season, but I think it's more likely their struggles continue.
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UCLA is the ultimate boomer school, heading to the ultimate boomer conference

God, I can’t wait for generational change
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Beachcat97 wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:09 pm ucla fired a coach who went to three straight FFs. He also won the Pac the year he was fired. He was the best coach they've had since Wooden. And he got fired.
UCLA also fired my favorite UCLA coach ever, who made the Sweet 16 or better 5 out of 7 years there.

And still having big wins now.


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Merkin wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:24 pm
Beachcat97 wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:09 pm ucla fired a coach who went to three straight FFs. He also won the Pac the year he was fired. He was the best coach they've had since Wooden. And he got fired.
UCLA also fired my favorite UCLA coach ever, who made the Sweet 16 or better 5 out of 7 years there.

And still having big wins now.


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Ah, Lavin. He's always been a better guy than coach though, right? Like, he's one of the most well-liked college hoops figures nationwide. Respected and admired by young and old.

He may've been the best recruiter UCLA's had in the post-Wooden era. Either him or Howland.

But Lavin, like Alford (and eventually Cronin), was destined to fall short of the stupid and impossible expectations ucla fans/alums bring to that team.
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UAEebs86 wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2023 11:04 am
He said: "I love him but ....."!!!

C'mon Mick, give a hat tip to Tommy.
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As I have said, publicly blaming his own players and discounting the opposition is what he does. I just think it is wrong. Mick's style of play will harm recruiting in the long term. You can have both a high powered offense with defensive intensity. Cronin believes you only need one.
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TheCat wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:26 pm As I have said, publicly blaming his own players and discounting the opposition is what he does. I just think it is wrong. Mick's style of play will harm recruiting in the long term. You can have both a high powered offense with defensive intensity. Cronin believes you only need one.
It only works when you have Alford’s players.
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Jagoff on a shelf?
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Here at the game with my 8 year old son. Here to see his first game!
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MrBug708 wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:30 pm Here at the game with my 8 year old son. Here to see his first game!
Good job Bug. When Bug Jr. grows up to be a Wildcat fan we hope you'll understand and forgive us.
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Cronin was their 3rd choice for the job opening. It’s important to remember this fact as the last vestiges of Alford’s recruiting are now gone. What you’re seeing this year is full Mick Cronin basketball.
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MrBug708 wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:30 pm Here at the game with my 8 year old son. Here to see his first game!
I hope he's having fun despite the score.
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Mick in the huddle: "Win this fucking game or I'll start taking fingers and foreskins Motherfuckers!"
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Whelp. My son is a streak buster I guess haha
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Losing to the #250th rated team is no bueno. They could have won this game if they made their ft's
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Heard at the next Pauley game: "aaaaand at point guard .... a 6'2" freshman from Cincinnati Ohio ...... Franky Fucking Four Fingers!!"
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Fast playing themselves right out of the tournament - NIT tournament that is.
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No shot at the tournament
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Comparing themselves to the Reds is pretty apt considering how embarrassing they were at times last season. But using it to say UCLA can't afford any decent NIL is just hilarious.
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What a complete douche.
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Cronin never gives another team credit. He is a douche. Basically says that his players are not good enough because he couldn't get the ones he wanted because of NIL. Does he realize how fucking stupid that sound when he just lost to CSUN? CSUN is well known as a NIL giant. How about I have no offense other than one on one and I will work my ass off to get one.
Mara the future number one pick in the draft showed off his rebounding prowess with a total of 1 to go along with his 2 points. Feel sorry for the guy because he has potential. He is a great passer but not playing a lot. Had 3 of their 7 assists in limited minutes.
My prediction is Mack will be gone after this year and then you are looking at a 50-55 point team.
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AZCatGirl wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:51 pm Comparing themselves to the Reds is pretty apt considering how embarrassing they were at times last season. But using it to say UCLA can't afford any decent NIL is just hilarious.
It’s also apt because they are a formerly great organization that rested on its history for decades but absolutely refuses to invest in its current product.
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UCLA Basketball: Mick Cronin Explains Petty Reason For Demoting Sebastian Mack In CSUN Loss
Sebastian Mack was demoted from being a starter for the game after he was reportedly late for something.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... r-AA1lRS1z

Mack was late getting back from a trip to the ER. Trying to get his foreskin re-attached.
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Mick's freshly circumcised Trollops are having a stellar first half.
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Is Mick on the hot seat yet?
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The hot booster seat?
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This game is why so many people hate college basketball.
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AZCatGirl wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:55 pm This game is why so many people hate college basketball.
Totally agree. If by chance Mick's method forges a tournament team at the conclusion we'll have to give him some props. But this fugly style is just an event killer.
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Maryland is currently ranked #11 in B1G power rankings.........let that sink in

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I don't see how UCLA improves enough over the season. They don't seem to do anything well.
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Fishclamps wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:34 pm I don't see how UCLA improves enough over the season. They don't seem to do anything well.
I hope they find a way to. I want our last games against them to be epic, not epic blowouts.

Their performance tonight is absolutely pathetic.
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