Lonzo Ball

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:21 pm

97cats wrote:boy that Lonzo Ball sure can play -- best passer of the basketball I've seen come into college in 10years, maybe 20

So what's our strategy in dealing with him?

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:35 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcccJ_puMM4" target="_blank

Last night's highlights

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:38 am

97cats wrote:boy that Lonzo Ball sure can play -- best passer of the basketball I've seen come into college in 10years, maybe 20

He does one thing I really like (among a lot of things I like about him). He doesn't dominate the ball, and will always kick it ahead to get a teammate 1 on 1 in transition. It actually hurts his assist numbers but it helps the team.

It's the sort of thing Magic Johnson did with James Worthy and Byron Scott. Recognize playmakers and get them the ball to make their plays with a kick ahead, even if it doesn't get you an assist.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:44 am

Bangkok Wildcat wrote:
97cats wrote:boy that Lonzo Ball sure can play -- best passer of the basketball I've seen come into college in 10years, maybe 20
So what's our strategy in dealing with him?

Put Kadeem on him and pray Alford doesn't go out of his mind shooting like he normally does against us.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:47 am

Bangkok Wildcat wrote:
97cats wrote:boy that Lonzo Ball sure can play -- best passer of the basketball I've seen come into college in 10years, maybe 20
So what's our strategy in dealing with him?

Try to force him to shoot as much as possible.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:53 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
Bangkok Wildcat wrote:
97cats wrote:boy that Lonzo Ball sure can play -- best passer of the basketball I've seen come into college in 10years, maybe 20
So what's our strategy in dealing with him?
Try to force him to shoot as much as possible.

I wonder if Alford tried to get him to correct his shooting form.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:59 am

Chicat wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Bangkok Wildcat wrote:
97cats wrote:boy that Lonzo Ball sure can play -- best passer of the basketball I've seen come into college in 10years, maybe 20
So what's our strategy in dealing with him?
Try to force him to shoot as much as possible.
I wonder if Alford tried to get him to correct his shooting form.

It defies all logic how he is currently a 49% 3 point shooter and Parker Jackson-Cartwright is a 26% 3 point shooter right now. Of course with time a return to the mean will occur, but in no world is Lonzo Ball anywhere near as good of a shooter as he is displaying and Parker is as bad as he's displaying. We are currently residents of Bizarro World.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:06 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
Chicat wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Bangkok Wildcat wrote:So what's our strategy in dealing with him?
Try to force him to shoot as much as possible.
I wonder if Alford tried to get him to correct his shooting form.
It defies all logic how he is currently a 49% 3 point shooter and Parker Jackson-Cartwright is a 26% 3 point shooter right now. Of course with time a return to the mean will occur, but in no world is Lonzo Ball anywhere near as good of a shooter as he is displaying and Parker is as bad as he's displaying. We are currently residents of Bizarro World.

That's why I was wondering. His form is terrible, but looks completely natural. So I'm guessing Alford told him to stick with whatever works and it's paying off so far.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:46 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
Bangkok Wildcat wrote:
97cats wrote:boy that Lonzo Ball sure can play -- best passer of the basketball I've seen come into college in 10years, maybe 20
So what's our strategy in dealing with him?
Try to force him to shoot as much as possible.

Plus, stop the ball immediately. You need to be in his field of vision immediately to prevent their transition game from getting rolling.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:17 pm

This guy is gonna have a field day against us. UCLA finally caught some luck with Ball, and with roster issues at AZ and OR.

Ball will likely be Pac FOY and POY, and given that they're gonna go from 10th to 1st, Alford will probably be COY. Amazing what one player can do for a program.

waysouthcat · Post by **waysouthcat** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:50 am

Beachcat97 wrote:This guy is gonna have a field day against us. UCLA finally caught some luck with Ball, and with roster issues at AZ and OR.

Ball will likely be Pac FOY and POY, and given that they're gonna go from 10th to 1st, Alford will probably be COY. Amazing what one player can do for a program.

BC, you need to step away from the keyboard for awhile. You have gone fully bipolar with the UCLA stuff.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:04 am

waysouthcat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:This guy is gonna have a field day against us. UCLA finally caught some luck with Ball, and with roster issues at AZ and OR.

Ball will likely be Pac FOY and POY, and given that they're gonna go from 10th to 1st, Alford will probably be COY. Amazing what one player can do for a program.
BC, you need to step away from the keyboard for awhile. You have gone fully bipolar with the UCLA stuff.

Or he should at least change his avatar.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:15 am

I see RC97 has gone fill circle back to ucla apologist again.

I'm guessing we will only hear about how Ball is terrible at 3 point shooting in games where he is bad and ignored in those games he shoots well

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:18 am

Ball is good. Good enough to be the best player in the Pac this year and help UCLA win a Pac title.

It's a pretty straightforward take.

waysouthcat · Post by **waysouthcat** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:24 am

Beachcat97 wrote:Ball is good. Good enough to be the best player in the Pac this year and help UCLA win a Pac title.

It's a pretty straightforward take.

Markannen is good. Good enough to be the best player in the Pac this year and help UA win a Pac title.

Is this also a straightforward take?

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:51 am

waysouthcat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Ball is good. Good enough to be the best player in the Pac this year and help UCLA win a Pac title.

It's a pretty straightforward take.
Markannen is good. Good enough to be the best player in the Pac this year and help UA win a Pac title.

Is this also a straightforward take?

Yep.

Bruins01 · Post by **Bruins01** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:41 pm

Ball is, by a considerable margin even, the best player in the conference. But I truly doubt UCLA as a team is good enough to win the Pac-12. I think Arizona and Oregon both have a better shot (unless Oregon really is as mediocre as they have looked during the preseason).

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:47 pm

Bruins01 wrote:Ball is, by a considerable margin even, the best player in the conference. But I truly doubt UCLA as a team is good enough to win the Pac-12. I think Arizona and Oregon both have a better shot (unless Oregon really is as mediocre as they have looked during the preseason).

Ball is not the best by a considerable margin. Fultz is dropping 23, 7 and 5.

I can understand preferring Ball to Fultz, but Fultz is really good. I like Lauri, but even leaving him out due to the homer factor, Ball is not a clear #1. Fultz, and to a lesser extent Rabb, are there. If Brooks makes a full comeback, he is in that discussion too.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:02 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Bruins01 wrote:Ball is, by a considerable margin even, the best player in the conference. But I truly doubt UCLA as a team is good enough to win the Pac-12. I think Arizona and Oregon both have a better shot (unless Oregon really is as mediocre as they have looked during the preseason).
Ball is not the best by a considerable margin. Fultz is dropping 23, 7 and 5.

I can understand preferring Ball to Fultz, but Fultz is really good. I like Lauri, but even leaving him out due to the homer factor, Ball is not a clear #1. Fultz, and to a lesser extent Rabb, are there. If Brooks makes a full comeback, he is in that discussion too.

Not sure, SS. Fultz can fill out that stat sheet, but have you seen the effect Ball is having on UCLA? He's leading the nation in assists. I'm not sure there's another player you'd take before Ball if doing a Pac draft. Elite PGs are arguably the most precious commodity in college hoops. Right up there with elite centers, which are even rarer these days.

Bruins01 · Post by **Bruins01** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:41 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Bruins01 wrote:Ball is, by a considerable margin even, the best player in the conference. But I truly doubt UCLA as a team is good enough to win the Pac-12. I think Arizona and Oregon both have a better shot (unless Oregon really is as mediocre as they have looked during the preseason).
Ball is not the best by a considerable margin. Fultz is dropping 23, 7 and 5.

I can understand preferring Ball to Fultz, but Fultz is really good. I like Lauri, but even leaving him out due to the homer factor, Ball is not a clear #1. Fultz, and to a lesser extent Rabb, are there. If Brooks makes a full comeback, he is in that discussion too.

Can't believe I'm saying this, but BC97's post above me is a pretty good description of why I think Lonzo is the best player in the conference. No one else makes the players around him better the way Lonzo does. Maybe not even anyone in the country.

However, UCLA also has a player getting 30 minutes each game who uniquely makes everyone around him worse, so the Lonzo Effect is tempered.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:37 pm

Ball's HS team was 35-0 last season. He impacts the game in a unique way, and he doesn't appear to be skipping beat in his transition to college. He's a special player, and he elevates UCLA's ceiling considerably this year.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:52 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Bruins01 wrote:Ball is, by a considerable margin even, the best player in the conference. But I truly doubt UCLA as a team is good enough to win the Pac-12. I think Arizona and Oregon both have a better shot (unless Oregon really is as mediocre as they have looked during the preseason).
Ball is not the best by a considerable margin. Fultz is dropping 23, 7 and 5.

I can understand preferring Ball to Fultz, but Fultz is really good. I like Lauri, but even leaving him out due to the homer factor, Ball is not a clear #1. Fultz, and to a lesser extent Rabb, are there. If Brooks makes a full comeback, he is in that discussion too.
Not sure, SS. Fultz can fill out that stat sheet, but have you seen the effect Ball is having on UCLA? He's leading the nation in assists. I'm not sure there's another player you'd take before Ball if doing a Pac draft. Elite PGs are arguably the most precious commodity in college hoops. Right up there with elite centers, which are even rarer these days.

I don't have an issue with preferring Ball. I only take issue with saying Ball separates by a considerable margin.

Fultz is a better scorer than Ball will ever be. Ball is a better distributor than Fultz will ever be. It depends on what you prefer. Ball has much more talent around him than Fultz does, which cuts both ways.

Ball is a purer pg, but Fultz can also put 30+ on you, which Ball really can't. Like I said, no issues saying Ball is better or that you prefer him, but I do not see a separation, I see it as a matter of preference.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:58 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
MrBug708 wrote:
gumby wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Isn't he going to UCLA?
No one is sure.

He's playing it very close to the vest.

Still could end up at Zona
Don't need him, don't want him. We're enjoying the view from atop the standings, which will continue next season.

Remember when. Rc97 didn't want him?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:18 pm

MrBug708 wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Don't need him, don't want him. We're enjoying the view from atop the standings, which will continue next season.
Remember when. Rc97 didn't want him?

That was before Arizona lost to Butler.

Now Ball is Magic Johnson reincarnated, UCLA will win the PAC-12 by three+ games, and Arizona will likely finish 5th or 6th and either barely squeak into the tourney or will be NIT bound.

What an amazing time to be alive...

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:24 pm

The ups and downs seem to be pretty crazy for BC this year.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:08 pm

dynamite

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:49 pm

That 13th assist last night..how? His short shorts are almost as good as his court vision

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:22 pm

Lot of good seats still available.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:23 pm

Is there another player in America you'd take ahead of Ball right now? UCLA essentially added one guy (well, and Leaf) to a 10th place team, and they're now looking like a national title contender. Crazy how he's making these college games look like his Ball Is Life prep highlight videos.

BigSkyCatinMT · Post by **BigSkyCatinMT** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:01 pm

I see UCLA has a pair of Balls for next year, and later.

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Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:51 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Is there another player in America you'd take ahead of Ball right now? UCLA essentially added one guy (well, and Leaf) to a 10th place team, and they're now looking like a national title contender. Crazy how he's making these college games look like his Ball Is Life prep highlight videos.

There are a lot of players. I find it crazy how I was defending Ball in one thread and in here, I have to take the other side, that Ball is not the second coming. He's a very good player, but let's cool it on the best in America, national title talk.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:01 pm

Is it safe to assume with his two brothers headed to UCLA next year that he will stay another year no matter what?

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:36 pm

He's 1 and done.

There is only one going to UCLA next year, LiAngelo. Melo is only a SO right now. It would be nice for Lonzo to stay so they could all win a title, but his dad has flat out said that he's one and done.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:40 pm

Thanks bug. Bummer. Great player. Can't wait for the day when a kid says he is staying be a use he loves the college game and college life

Bruins01 · Post by **Bruins01** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:22 pm

I can't wait until a kid says he stays because players are properly compensated.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:40 pm

Not sure if that is a knock on amateur athletics or that the bruins need to get back to their heyday and get another Sam Gilbert to pay the best players

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:25 am

Instead of haircuts it will be tattoos!

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:05 am

Beachcat97 wrote:Is there another player in America you'd take ahead of Ball right now? UCLA essentially added one guy (well, and Leaf) to a 10th place team, and they're now looking like a national title contender. Crazy how he's making these college games look like his Ball Is Life prep highlight videos.

What are you going to say if they let Kentucky score 150, I wonder?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:37 am

Bruins01 wrote:I can't wait until a kid says he stays because players are properly compensated.

You have to keep that sort of thing quiet. No wonder UCLA football isn't SEC level.

Bruins01 · Post by **Bruins01** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:53 am

azcat49 wrote:Not sure if that is a knock on amateur athletics or that the bruins need to get back to their heyday and get another Sam Gilbert to pay the best players

I'm not sure either.

Bruins01 · Post by **Bruins01** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:55 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Bruins01 wrote:I can't wait until a kid says he stays because players are properly compensated.
You have to keep that sort of thing quiet. No wonder UCLA football isn't SEC level.

Ha, it's funny you say that. I have absolutely no problem with teams like Ole Miss, Alabama, USC, et al. blatantly paying players. Good! I wish UCLA boosters would do the same. I despise "but what about the rules!!" pearl-clutching in this age of bullshit amateurism, and there might be no fan base on the west coast that has more pearl-clutchers than UCLA's.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:59 pm

His brother LiAngelo scored 72 last night...and 56 the day before

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basket ... ame-120116" target="_blank

midnightx · Post by **midnightx** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:11 pm

It is disturbing that a wanker like Alford is brining in this talent -- clearly it is his staff getting the job done, but with such a mediocre program in terms of recent results, and a head coach with such a mediocre resume, it is somewhat astonishing these kids want to play for his program. Ball is probably going to single-handedly save Alford's job.

cats101 · Post by **cats101** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:37 pm

Ucla fans coming out their holes. Hilarious.

Bruins01 · Post by **Bruins01** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:47 pm

What?

By the way I'm pretty sure Lonzo is going to be a top 5 pick. What a player. I don't think you would find any coach in the conference who would take Fultz or anyone else over him.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:49 pm

cats101 wrote:Ucla fans coming out their holes. Hilarious.

Pretty much

Bruins01 · Post by **Bruins01** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:21 pm

Don't know whom the hell you could be talking about. Bug and I have almost four thousand posts here between us and we are the only ones.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:27 pm

Maybe if Don or Banners comes back, but which other fans have come back? RC97?

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:35 pm

Bug has been here regardless no doubt. Other dude pretty much stayed clear from the basketball section once Alford got hired and pretty much just chilled in the Politics section from then on

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:01 pm

MrBug708 wrote:Maybe if Don or Banners comes back, but which other fans have come back? RC97?

You guys are just posting more, more often and more fervently. The ucla bandwagon is loading up! Maybe traffic somehow won't be as bad at the next home game?

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