Bear Down Wildcats

Bangkok Wildcat wrote:

Longhorned wrote:

Bangkok Wildcat wrote:

Longhorned wrote:If we can't joke about Trump outside a politics board, then we're all in trouble.

Is it that because people who oppose your view of him stay away from the politics board so you feel the need to look for opposition?

Ok, I give up.....go ahead and belittle, joke about, attack the next President all you want. I'm done asking people politely to do otherwise.

It's because not being able to joke about Trump is even worse than refraining from talking about him in all kinds of situations where we used to consider mention of politics impolite. Acting like these are normal times with normal political and partisan disagreements ended when the US intelligence community concluded that Russia interfered with the presidential election, and the president-elect who had called for Russian hacking bashed the CIA to defend Russia. Even with that alone, honoring the request to respect Trump on a sport message board would be dangerous normalizing and appeal to false equivalency of the worst kind.

Hey Longhorned, I hear you and respect you enough that I owe you an answer....I'm going to break my own rule and talk politics outside its sandbox one time them I'm done.

A few premises from me though:

1. I'm not a yuuuuge (you see, I do have a sense of humor, lol) Trump supporter (although I very much admire his taste in Babes ). He has a big mouth and sometimes spews some New York 'in your face' garbage that isn't wise.....BUT, the fact that he's not some seasoned slick willy lying career politician is an appeal to me.

2. I'm a fiscal conservative (my Dad taught me about fiscal responsibility at a young age and that's why I hate big government and their incompetent spendthrift practices) but very moderate social values guy....pro-choice, pro gun control, big LGBT supporter (especially gay marriage rights) as they have every right to be as unhappy as the rest of us! Ha ha

3. Living overseas, with a corrupt police force, under military rule and being a foreigner who MUST abide by the immigration rules here gives me a very strong opinion and support for American Police (Blue Lives Matter....they matter to everyone as when the shit hits the fan, everyone calls 911!....you can't do that here as they are just another gang to shake you down in many cases) and American Democracy.

4. I'm a moderate Republican but haven't liked a lot of my choices much lately....

5. I hate how unfair / corrupt the MSM (Mainstream Media) is. I don't think anyone who is impartial can see how liberal, left-leaning the MSM is. Many of their Senior Personnel have Democratic ties and marriages. It's unbelievable how intellectually dishonest a lot of them are when they disguise 'commentating' as 'reporting'

Ok then back to Longhorned assertions on Russia hacking influences on the election. Trump was wrong to comment that they didn't....he shot his mouth off too early and I would be surprised if he still feels that way (he may be too stubborn to admit it) but I don't think they decided the election though. Hillary's and the DNC's corruption did.

They hacked the RNC too but there weren't any bombshells like Donna Brazille giving Hillary campaign debate questions beforehand, the DNC screwing Bernie Sanders over, Politico Reporters seeking approval from Podesta on stories before they publish, etc.

Hell, this was another problem of Hillary using her own private server as Secretary of State in violation of Obama's own orders / policy! It's widely assumed that she was hacked by multiple governments.

If I was a Democrat, I'd be more pissed at the corruption of the DNC and how they screwed Sanders over than the fact that all governments are spying on each other. Strong Cyber Security is just the norm these days....blaming the Russians for exposing corruption is a bit silly IMHO.

Ok, done....like I told dirtbags, I won't complain anymore if you guys feel the need to get political in the Hoops forums. I'd much rather spend my time bashing that prick Grayson Allen instead.

Apologies to anyone else for this thread hijack...won't happen again.

Bear Down and Happy Holidays!

Spaceman Spiff wrote:It's a testament to the divisive power of this election that it can even drive a wedge into hatred of Duke, which should be the most unifying thing in the known universe.

Bangkok Wildcat wrote:So how serious do you think Coach K is about the suspension? I'm guessing it's 3-5 games....just didn't seem that he was all that upset about it and maybe it was preventative or ward off any ACC move. Allen's behavior surely couldn't have been that much of a surprise.

Wonder if the ACC will do anything as well...

Alieberman wrote:

Bangkok Wildcat wrote:So how serious do you think Coach K is about the suspension? I'm guessing it's 3-5 games....just didn't seem that he was all that upset about it and maybe it was preventative or ward off any ACC move. Allen's behavior surely couldn't have been that much of a surprise.

Wonder if the ACC will do anything as well...

Will not be 3-5

I'm guessing he will miss 1 start.

Chicat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:It's a testament to the divisive power of this election that it can even drive a wedge into hatred of Duke, which should be the most unifying thing in the known universe.

Had to tweak your post slightly

CalStateTempe wrote:Man he is one trollish looking dude.

MrMeow wrote:Now #1 on the list of all-time hated Dukies. The list omits K, by the way. Wrong!


1. Grayson Allen, 2014-present

Duke Blue Devils guard Grayson Allen #3 reacts after scoring a three point shot against the Grand Canyon Lopes in the first half of their game at Cameron Indoor Stadium.© Mark Dolejs/USA TODAY Sports Duke Blue Devils guard Grayson Allen #3 reacts after scoring a three point shot against the Grand Canyon Lopes in the first half of their game at Cameron Indoor Stadium.
Allen does all the things that grate on people about Duke players. Announcers laud his hustle after he t̶a̶k̶e̶s̶ c̶h̶a̶r̶g̶e̶s̶ flops (sometimes twice in the same play). He has been known to get very favorable treatment from officials, more than a few times. He's been spotted demonstratively whining when he does not get that treatment. Tripping has hardly been his most dangerous foul. In last year's NCAA Tournament, he said "Thanks, but no thanks" to Dillon Brooks of Oregon's awkward attempt at a postgame hug/handshake when the Ducks eliminated Duke. It also doesn't not help that he is a younger clone of Texas senator Ted Cruz, who through much of his presidential campaign, embraced how much he is disliked among his peers in Congress.

And like we mentioned earlier, the coup d'état are his now three instances of purposely tripping opponents. He endeared himself a bit by taking ownership of the first two in preseason interviews, but it rings hollow after Wednesday's incident. And the derisive glee with which much of America watched his sideline tantrum fueled by self-anger only cements it: No Duke player has ever been hated as much as Allen, and unlike some of the guys on this list, most of it is deserved.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

MrMeow wrote:Now #1 on the list of all-time hated Dukies. The list omits K, by the way. Wrong!


1. Grayson Allen, 2014-present

Duke Blue Devils guard Grayson Allen #3 reacts after scoring a three point shot against the Grand Canyon Lopes in the first half of their game at Cameron Indoor Stadium.© Mark Dolejs/USA TODAY Sports Duke Blue Devils guard Grayson Allen #3 reacts after scoring a three point shot against the Grand Canyon Lopes in the first half of their game at Cameron Indoor Stadium.
Allen does all the things that grate on people about Duke players. Announcers laud his hustle after he t̶a̶k̶e̶s̶ c̶h̶a̶r̶g̶e̶s̶ flops (sometimes twice in the same play). He has been known to get very favorable treatment from officials, more than a few times. He's been spotted demonstratively whining when he does not get that treatment. Tripping has hardly been his most dangerous foul. In last year's NCAA Tournament, he said "Thanks, but no thanks" to Dillon Brooks of Oregon's awkward attempt at a postgame hug/handshake when the Ducks eliminated Duke. It also doesn't not help that he is a younger clone of Texas senator Ted Cruz, who through much of his presidential campaign, embraced how much he is disliked among his peers in Congress.

And like we mentioned earlier, the coup d'état are his now three instances of purposely tripping opponents. He endeared himself a bit by taking ownership of the first two in preseason interviews, but it rings hollow after Wednesday's incident. And the derisive glee with which much of America watched his sideline tantrum fueled by self-anger only cements it: No Duke player has ever been hated as much as Allen, and unlike some of the guys on this list, most of it is deserved.

No one will ever touch Laettner. He checks all the boxes.

-Being a jackass to opponents (chest stomping being the best example)
-Receiving undue benefits (seriously, how do you explain to your children that Laettner was the selection for the Dream Team instead of Shaq, Webber, etc?)
-Pretending to be gay for notoriety (this one is pretty self explanatory)
-Consistently behaving like a spoiled brat (books about the Dream Team are pretty hilarious on this point. Apparently, Laettner was used to kid gloves, and Charles Barkely and Karl Malone weren't exactly prepared to treat him like that, so he sulked the entire time in Barcelona)
-Originating it all. The hate of Duke really sprung from the teams he and Hurley spearheaded. Without those back to back rings, a lot of this never even happens.

Grayson Allen is strong, but he's more on that second tier of JJ/Hurley, and I'm not sure if he's there yet. JJ's outspoken Christianity while making women sign abortion contracts is hard to contend with, and Hurley has been a public whiny face for near 30 years and now coaches ASU.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:My personal ranking of Duke players and hateability:


Tier 4: Guys you don't want to like because they went to Duke, but you can't really put a finger on why you should actually hate them. Singler, Scheyer, Thomas Hill (although the crying after Laettner's shot...), Dunleavy, the Plumlees.

UAEebs86 wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:My personal ranking of Duke players and hateability:


Tier 4: Guys you don't want to like because they went to Duke, but you can't really put a finger on why you should actually hate them. Singler, Scheyer, Thomas Hill (although the crying after Laettner's shot...), Dunleavy, the Plumlees.

Dunleavy should be higher. He, Zach Randolph, and the refs are the reason Lute didn't get the championship he deserved for Bobbie.

Merkin wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:Man he is one trollish looking dude.

CalStateTempe wrote:My wife sat next to K in church once and didn't do anything about it.

I wonder what this tells me about my wife...

Spaceman Spiff wrote:My personal ranking of Duke players and hateability:

1. Laettner. The guy who set the standard.

Gap.

Tier 2: JJ, Hurley and Grayson Allen. I could put Allen into tier 3, but he won a NC and keeps intentionally tripping people then acting like a giant baby about getting caught.

Tier 3: These are he guys who just grate. Paulus, Wojo, Cherokee Parks, and our first injection of racial diversity, Carlos Boozer.

Tier 4: Guys you don't want to like because they went to Duke, but you can't really put a finger on why you should actually hate them. Singler, Scheyer, Thomas Hill (although the crying after Laettner's shot...), Dunleavy, the Plumlees.

Tier 5: Guys you kind of like even though they went to Duke. Grant Hill, Shane Battier, Kyrie Irving.

KOQSTRONG wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:My personal ranking of Duke players and hateability:

1. Laettner. The guy who set the standard.

Gap.

Tier 2: JJ, Hurley and Grayson Allen. I could put Allen into tier 3, but he won a NC and keeps intentionally tripping people then acting like a giant baby about getting caught.

Tier 3: These are he guys who just grate. Paulus, Wojo, Cherokee Parks, and our first injection of racial diversity, Carlos Boozer.

Tier 4: Guys you don't want to like because they went to Duke, but you can't really put a finger on why you should actually hate them. Singler, Scheyer, Thomas Hill (although the crying after Laettner's shot...), Dunleavy, the Plumlees.

Tier 5: Guys you kind of like even though they went to Duke. Grant Hill, Shane Battier, Kyrie Irving.

You forgot Jayson Williams who was easily a tier 3 guy, probably a tier 2 guy in my book. Maybe just because I was in school the years he was as well. And, well, revisiting the pictures of him jumping over the back of Gardner in the NC game will always piss me off. He was way worse than Boozer though.

Chicat wrote:I'm guessing he's back for FSU. Three games makes it look like K is taking this seriously and is genuinely punishing a kid who just may be a psychopath.

If they lose to VT, expect K to have a fainting spell or back pain in the 2nd half so the loss goes on the record of one of his assistants.

Alieberman wrote:ESPN is treating Grayson Allen like he is Michael Jordan.

Am I a racist if I hate all white guys from Duke?

Alieberman wrote:ESPN is treating Grayson Allen like he is Michael Jordan.

Am I a racist if I hate all white guys from Duke?

Alieberman wrote:ESPN is treating Grayson Allen like he is Michael Jordan.

Am I a racist if I hate all white guys from Duke?

Frybry02 wrote:

Alieberman wrote:ESPN is treating Grayson Allen like he is Michael Jordan.

Am I a racist if I hate all white guys from Duke?

Sports enter was a complete joke this morning. I was hoping to see some Cats highlights. Instead, I was given more reasons why I no longer watch sportscenter or any other ESPN commentary/"news" program. All they did was talk about Duke and Allen.

Olsondogg wrote:Fuck Dook

Main Event wrote:

Chicat wrote:If they lose to VT, expect K to have a fainting spell or back pain in the 2nd half so the loss goes on the record of one of his assistants.

EastCoastCat wrote:I wonder if the rat will be retiring anytime soon given his recent health problems.

Can you imagine the slob fest when that happens?

Main Event wrote:

Chicat wrote:They'll take our injury issues into account by shipping us 2000 miles away and fucking us on seeding.

KOQSTRONG wrote:Lose their best player, get pummeled by 14 against a mediocre VT team and lose their coach for an extended period of time and drop 2-3 spots in rankings. Sounds about right.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Chicat wrote:They'll take our injury issues into account by shipping us 2000 miles away and fucking us on seeding.

The NCAA:

"K's gone!? Oh, no! Is it possible to give Duke a bye into the Elite Eight?"

"Allonzo Trier was out? Let me see if the Selection folks have the world's tiniest violin to play for you? Nope, just a giant sign that says **** you. I've heard Providence is beautiful in March."

Merkin wrote: