Re: Emmanuel Akot
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:29 pm
Simon is playing really well this year. Grant got an NBA salary for two years I think, not bad. Chol and Victor were fringe players here or anywhere.
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He did come a year earlier than expected. And I don't think high school bball players are advised to weight lift too much, since most of them don't.YoDeFoe wrote:Miller's comments on Akot's knees.
Miller says a lack of strength in his legs is the cause. Working with the training staff on his flexibility and leg strength.
Would be nice if we were proactive with this stuff prior to them arriving - get them on campus for strength, flexibility, conditioning testing. Even offensive and defensive principles (defensive especially) from a mental aspect. Get them materials and a program to work (like we did for Rawle in his strength training before he got here... think he got materials from Rounds in March before he got here).
Not sure to what degree we're allowed to do that but it's surprising to me that Miller and the coaching squad are surprised by the players they get.
It can be a variety of issues. One is that I'm sure Akot is being pushed harder to perform than ever before. It wouldn't shock me if his knees were fine for HS or practice speed but that Arizona game speed is too much.YoDeFoe wrote:Miller's comments on Akot's knees.
Miller says a lack of strength in his legs is the cause. Working with the training staff on his flexibility and leg strength.
Would be nice if we were proactive with this stuff prior to them arriving - get them on campus for strength, flexibility, conditioning testing. Even offensive and defensive principles (defensive especially) from a mental aspect. Get them materials and a program to work (like we did for Rawle in his strength training before he got here... think he got materials from Rounds in March before he got here).
Not sure to what degree we're allowed to do that but it's surprising to me that Miller and the coaching squad are surprised by the players they get.
I'm not really suggesting an eval with a pass/fail, I'm suggesting an eval that results in a recommended workload for the player. For a guy like Rawle that would have been a diet plan and conditioning plan (along with preventative exercises) to cut fat and build stability. For Eman, a bulking and strengthening plan.EVCat wrote:Some knees are just less stable. ACLs, like many parts of the body, vary. Some are loose...my daughter had "loose knees". She is 17 and will have her 2nd ACL surgery in January, one for each knee. She walked a touch "toe in"...that impacted it. Also, women are more susceptible to ACL tear because of the angle the femur takes into the knee due to hips. A can't imagine a part of our eval being knee stability tests...we would end up passing on a lot of players who turn out fine, I would guess, because loose ligaments does not guarantee a blowout.
I would be really surprised if this is not happening. I got a similar plan entering HS in the mid 1990's.YoDeFoe wrote:I'm not really suggesting an eval with a pass/fail, I'm suggesting an eval that results in a recommended workload for the player. For a guy like Rawle that would have been a diet plan and conditioning plan (along with preventative exercises) to cut fat and build stability. For Eman, a bulking and strengthening plan.EVCat wrote:Some knees are just less stable. ACLs, like many parts of the body, vary. Some are loose...my daughter had "loose knees". She is 17 and will have her 2nd ACL surgery in January, one for each knee. She walked a touch "toe in"...that impacted it. Also, women are more susceptible to ACL tear because of the angle the femur takes into the knee due to hips. A can't imagine a part of our eval being knee stability tests...we would end up passing on a lot of players who turn out fine, I would guess, because loose ligaments does not guarantee a blowout.
I'd also suggest a fundamentals of the packline defense "playbook" with video and animations and diagrams - a tablet preloaded with that and then featuring the individual physical workload as well.
Just spitballing between games...
He is god awful so while you maybe right gotta love Pinder's new silky smooth release at the line. Lol.NYCat wrote:I think Akot is going to cost Sean Miller a game at the free throw line. He's been playing well though.
Akot simply can't be in the game in a bonus situation, other than quick substitutions for single defensive possessions.NYCat wrote:I think Akot is going to cost Sean Miller a game at the free throw line. He's been playing well though.
Solution is simple. More Akot/bench early, less late. I know people rip on Miller for the hockey line substitutions early, but I think that's his goal. Get bench minutes so the starters don't die, and have them early enough so that we can have the guys we trust down the stretch.Longhorned wrote:Akot simply can't be in the game in a bonus situation, other than quick substitutions for single defensive possessions.NYCat wrote:I think Akot is going to cost Sean Miller a game at the free throw line. He's been playing well though.
And otherwise, Akot shouldn't be doing anything other than passing around the perimeter. If he can learn to recover on team defense, and not try to do anything on offense, he'll be an enormous improvement on Smith.
When Smith is in the game, all you can do is hold your breath and close your eyes and hope the opponent's run won't be insurmountable by the time Miller can substitute him out again. Ayton needs to keep developing in order to keep Smith on the bench.
I posted this in another thread, but I like Akot, Lee, etc better in terms of the culture they bring than I liked our culture this year.rgdeuce wrote:Akot shot 37.5% on the year from 3 and 80% in conference play, small sample size for both obviously. Wasn't the right shot, but we weren't doing anything else on that particular possession anyhow.
Akot really deserves some more love. Dug himself out of Miller's dog house and provided helpful minutes off the bench in the late conference season and Pac 12 tournament. During the most important time of our season, he stepped up more than any freshman besides Ayton and he did it during what should have been his senior season in high school. Really hope he sticks around, he is going to be a stud in a couple years.
Has to be more to it than just lack of minutes next year.UAEebs86 wrote:Why wouldn't he transfer a week or two ago so he could play next December?
FTFYOlsondogg wrote:I kept waiting for his breakout game. Now I never will.
Think he had it already.Olsondogg wrote:I kept waiting for his breakout game. Now I’ll have to wait another 1.5 years.
Well I set the table in my previous posts why he would transfer. The reason he's leaving now though is the same reason he's shooting like Lonzo fucking Ball. He's just listening to some extraordinarily dumb people.Alieberman wrote:I woke up realizing there has to be more to this story.
It's just too stupid looking at it from the outside.
I understand why he may want to transfer after the season.... or even somewhat understand if he did this 2 weeks ago... but now.....??????ChooChooCat wrote:Well I set the table in my previous posts why he would transfer. The reason he's leaving now though is the same reason he's shooting like Lonzo fucking Ball. He's just listening to some extraordinarily dumb people.Alieberman wrote:I woke up realizing there has to be more to this story.
It's just too stupid looking at it from the outside.
Something like this makes me wonder if there's just an issue between the player and coach.Newportcat wrote:I woke up this morning still trying to wrap my head around this. A guy who was starting on our team playing almost 20min a game, decided to quit mid-season and then will finish out school and transfer at the end of the semester
I am assuming Miller is numb to all this shit now.
Or he just listens to his AAU coach who is currently going through a complete meltdown.PieceOfMeat wrote:Something like this makes me wonder if there's just an issue between the player and coach.Newportcat wrote:I woke up this morning still trying to wrap my head around this. A guy who was starting on our team playing almost 20min a game, decided to quit mid-season and then will finish out school and transfer at the end of the semester
I am assuming Miller is numb to all this shit now.
What I mean is, regardless of playing time, is there some issue that (in the player's mind) causes the player to hate the coach so much he wants off the team that badly despite the starting and playing time.
Akot isn't just transferring, he's outright quitting the team, staying in school, and then transferring later with 2 years of eligibility which he won't get to use for a long while.
There has to be something there that causes the player to hate the coach, right?
So his AAU coach hates Miller?ChooChooCat wrote:Or he just listens to his AAU coach who is currently going through a complete meltdown.PieceOfMeat wrote:Something like this makes me wonder if there's just an issue between the player and coach.Newportcat wrote:I woke up this morning still trying to wrap my head around this. A guy who was starting on our team playing almost 20min a game, decided to quit mid-season and then will finish out school and transfer at the end of the semester
I am assuming Miller is numb to all this shit now.
What I mean is, regardless of playing time, is there some issue that (in the player's mind) causes the player to hate the coach so much he wants off the team that badly despite the starting and playing time.
Akot isn't just transferring, he's outright quitting the team, staying in school, and then transferring later with 2 years of eligibility which he won't get to use for a long while.
There has to be something there that causes the player to hate the coach, right?
I know Jim Rosborough was reputed to be a supportive ear to hear player discontent and smooth out player/coach issues under Lute; wasn't Book Richardson someone who performed a similar role for CSM?PieceOfMeat wrote:Something like this makes me wonder if there's just an issue between the player and coach.Newportcat wrote:I woke up this morning still trying to wrap my head around this. A guy who was starting on our team playing almost 20min a game, decided to quit mid-season and then will finish out school and transfer at the end of the semester
I am assuming Miller is numb to all this shit now.
What I mean is, regardless of playing time, is there some issue that (in the player's mind) causes the player to hate the coach so much he wants off the team that badly despite the starting and playing time.
Akot isn't just transferring, he's outright quitting the team, staying in school, and then transferring later with 2 years of eligibility which he won't get to use for a long while.
There has to be something there that causes the player to hate the coach, right?
He didn't decide anything. An outside party decided it and he said ok.Alieberman wrote:He obviously decided this in the last 2 weeks, or else he could have saved a semester of eligibility.
You just now decide you hate the coaches, playing time, etc? The season is over in 2 months!!!! You can't suck it up for that long? Bite your tongue, play hard when your # is called, practice, improve and then make a decision.... in 2 months!!!!
Especially when you were elevated to starter even though you continue to be a black hole on one side of the court.Alieberman wrote:He obviously decided this in the last 2 weeks, or else he could have saved a semester of eligibility.
You just now decide you hate the coaches, playing time, etc? The season is over in 2 months!!!! You can't suck it up for that long? Bite your tongue, play hard when your # is called, practice, improve and then make a decision.... in 2 months!!!!
I don't think any smooth operator coach could've smoothed it out. Akot's camp didn't like the way he was utilized, they saw him as a point forward, not a power forward. Truth be told that was very likely the route that he was going to be groomed for, but the knee issues occurred and then the FBI stuff happened and yeah...pc in NM wrote:I know Jim Rosborough was reputed to be a supportive ear to hear player discontent and smooth out player/coach issues under Lute; wasn't Book Richardson someone who performed a similar role for CSM?PieceOfMeat wrote:Something like this makes me wonder if there's just an issue between the player and coach.Newportcat wrote:I woke up this morning still trying to wrap my head around this. A guy who was starting on our team playing almost 20min a game, decided to quit mid-season and then will finish out school and transfer at the end of the semester
I am assuming Miller is numb to all this shit now.
What I mean is, regardless of playing time, is there some issue that (in the player's mind) causes the player to hate the coach so much he wants off the team that badly despite the starting and playing time.
Akot isn't just transferring, he's outright quitting the team, staying in school, and then transferring later with 2 years of eligibility which he won't get to use for a long while.
There has to be something there that causes the player to hate the coach, right?
Who fulfills that role now? Is this possibly related to a premature loss like Akot's?
Good. Really sucks but if he cant standup for himself and make the best decisions for himself glad he is gone. Bye byeChooChooCat wrote:I don't think any smooth operator coach could've smoothed it out. Akot's camp didn't like the way he was utilized, they saw him as a point forward, not a power forward. Truth be told that was very likely the route that he was going to be groomed for, but the knee issues occurred and then the FBI stuff happened and yeah...pc in NM wrote:I know Jim Rosborough was reputed to be a supportive ear to hear player discontent and smooth out player/coach issues under Lute; wasn't Book Richardson someone who performed a similar role for CSM?PieceOfMeat wrote:Something like this makes me wonder if there's just an issue between the player and coach.Newportcat wrote:I woke up this morning still trying to wrap my head around this. A guy who was starting on our team playing almost 20min a game, decided to quit mid-season and then will finish out school and transfer at the end of the semester
I am assuming Miller is numb to all this shit now.
What I mean is, regardless of playing time, is there some issue that (in the player's mind) causes the player to hate the coach so much he wants off the team that badly despite the starting and playing time.
Akot isn't just transferring, he's outright quitting the team, staying in school, and then transferring later with 2 years of eligibility which he won't get to use for a long while.
There has to be something there that causes the player to hate the coach, right?
Who fulfills that role now? Is this possibly related to a premature loss like Akot's?
He was always going to be gone after this year, but his AAU coach stomped his feet, became a colossal fucktard over night, and instead of letting the season play out and then leaving here we are.
If that's the case and Akot can't see that these people don't actually have his best interests at heart then he's going to have a tough life and I feel sorry for him.ChooChooCat wrote:He didn't decide anything. An outside party decided it and he said ok.Alieberman wrote:He obviously decided this in the last 2 weeks, or else he could have saved a semester of eligibility.
You just now decide you hate the coaches, playing time, etc? The season is over in 2 months!!!! You can't suck it up for that long? Bite your tongue, play hard when your # is called, practice, improve and then make a decision.... in 2 months!!!!
Have to wonder if him only getting 13 minutes at Stanford was the impetus for the timing. Someone somewhere must have been stewing and that was the last straw. Couldn't pull him while on the trip, but sure was quick to make the move getting back to Tucson.Alieberman wrote:He obviously decided this in the last 2 weeks, or else he could have saved a semester of eligibility.
You just now decide you hate the coaches, playing time, etc? The season is over in 2 months!!!! You can't suck it up for that long? Bite your tongue, play hard when your # is called, practice, improve and then make a decision.... in 2 months!!!!
God I feel so sorry for Miller having to deal with these AAU coaches who have so much control but probably don’t know anything and 99% of the time are only in it for themselves. He is doing his best to run his team with all these hangeroners spitting out all this bullshit constantly in players earsChooChooCat wrote:I don't think any smooth operator coach could've smoothed it out. Akot's camp didn't like the way he was utilized, they saw him as a point forward, not a power forward. Truth be told that was very likely the route that he was going to be groomed for, but the knee issues occurred and then the FBI stuff happened and yeah...pc in NM wrote:I know Jim Rosborough was reputed to be a supportive ear to hear player discontent and smooth out player/coach issues under Lute; wasn't Book Richardson someone who performed a similar role for CSM?PieceOfMeat wrote:Something like this makes me wonder if there's just an issue between the player and coach.Newportcat wrote:I woke up this morning still trying to wrap my head around this. A guy who was starting on our team playing almost 20min a game, decided to quit mid-season and then will finish out school and transfer at the end of the semester
I am assuming Miller is numb to all this shit now.
What I mean is, regardless of playing time, is there some issue that (in the player's mind) causes the player to hate the coach so much he wants off the team that badly despite the starting and playing time.
Akot isn't just transferring, he's outright quitting the team, staying in school, and then transferring later with 2 years of eligibility which he won't get to use for a long while.
There has to be something there that causes the player to hate the coach, right?
Who fulfills that role now? Is this possibly related to a premature loss like Akot's?
He was always going to be gone after this year, but his AAU coach stomped his feet, became a colossal fucktard over night, and instead of letting the season play out and then leaving here we are.
All programs have transfers. Don’t forget where our starting center came from.CalStateTempe wrote:Do what we do?
You all know I am a Miller backer, but we always seem to have a lot of prospects/projects leave early.
At some point it isn’t just on the player and the players camp.
This is pretty shitty news to catch up on.