Bear Down Wildcats

Story on OTL breaking. Looks like he pulled an Altman.


Michigan State in some hot hot water.

Usually in these cases a lower level employee takes the 1st bullet and you see how high it goes. At MSU the 1st 2 to go were the president and AD.... this is gonna to go widespread around their entire athletics dept.... and if these adults let this happen, firing should be the least of their penalties

Burn em down.

Penn State Part Deux

Thanks Mich state!

Signed
Arizona BB. program and ad

This of course begs the question... If the exact same thing happened at Arizona how many of you would continue supporting or watching or going to athletic events?

Yowza

Outside the lines starts digging in to the relationship between Nassar and the Michigan state ad and uncovers all this dirt on the fb and Bb programs...

Crazy....

scumdevils86 wrote:This of course begs the question... If the exact same thing happened at Arizona how many of you would continue supporting or watching or going to athletic events?

Depends on the breadth of the purge.

Yea. I'm talking the AD and coaches and police and everyone top to bottom being complicit in massive cover-ups. I don't know if I could support the school in any way again unless absolutely everything changed. Nuked from space.

scumdevils86 wrote:This of course begs the question... If the exact same thing happened at Arizona how many of you would continue supporting or watching or going to athletic events?

If the Elliot Pitts story is retold in light of the MSU disclosures, I expect that the shock and judgment on Miller and the U of A would/Will be much more intense than it was at the time....

pc in NM wrote:

scumdevils86 wrote:This of course begs the question... If the exact same thing happened at Arizona how many of you would continue supporting or watching or going to athletic events?

If the Elliot Pitts story is retold in light of the MSU disclosures, I expect that the shock and judgment on Miller and the U of A would/Will be much more intense than it was at the time....

The Pitts situation was reported to all the proper entities, the athletic department did not attempt to hide or cover up anything, and Sean Miller never played him a single minute after the incident while not kicking him off the team until the investigation ended.

This is exactly what you would want from your school

Alieberman wrote:

pc in NM wrote:

scumdevils86 wrote:This of course begs the question... If the exact same thing happened at Arizona how many of you would continue supporting or watching or going to athletic events?

If the Elliot Pitts story is retold in light of the MSU disclosures, I expect that the shock and judgment on Miller and the U of A would/Will be much more intense than it was at the time....

The Pitts situation was reported to all the proper entities, the athletic department did not attempt to hide or cover up anything, and Sean Miller never played him a single minute after the incident while not kicking him off the team until the investigation ended.

This is exactly what you would want from your school

Yeah, I think Pitts is a definite stretch.

I knew of some shady shit surrounding the football team when I was in school, but I have zero idea what the coaches and admin knew.

azgreg wrote:

just dissolve the NCAA already.

CalStateTempe wrote:

azgreg wrote:

just dissolve the NCAA already.

That's what I'm beginning to think. UAs FBI investigation is small potatoes compared to this, especially when you consider the NCAA knew about what was happening at MSU. Corrupt to the core. This is going to have repercussions throughout US amateur FB and BB athletics. Money is causing corruption.

yiiiiikkeeessss.

"I'm cooperating and will continue to cooperate with every investigation. But I'm not answering any questions."

Yeah, Izzo hasn't sounded that defeated since he was virtually comatose after the 2001 Arizona Final Four decimation. He is done in East Lansing. I just pray this isn't Miller one day, because he's already starting to sound that way at press conferences about the FBI investigation.

That was not a good look... Shit is going to get ugly.

He looked like he was hoping that a portal straight to Hell would open beneath his feet. Anything to get out from behind that podium.

Alieberman wrote:

pc in NM wrote:

scumdevils86 wrote:This of course begs the question... If the exact same thing happened at Arizona how many of you would continue supporting or watching or going to athletic events?

If the Elliot Pitts story is retold in light of the MSU disclosures, I expect that the shock and judgment on Miller and the U of A would/Will be much more intense than it was at the time....

The Pitts situation was reported to all the proper entities, the athletic department did not attempt to hide or cover up anything, and Sean Miller never played him a single minute after the incident while not kicking him off the team until the investigation ended.

This is exactly what you would want from your school

Exactly, but not really sure the Pitts situation is relevant to the MSU situation, being that Pitts and Mason were both adults, got drunk, and had consensual sex. Against the student code of conduct, but didn't break any AZ laws.

Sucks for Trey Mason though, who left the team due to the situation with Pitts and his sister.

Not consensual Merkin

Alieberman wrote:Not consensual Merkin

Yeah, I may misremember, but I thought the conclusion was that the perpetrator took advantage of her intoxication. And the police messed up by interviewing the victim while she was still intoxicated, and her faulty statements contradicted the clear evidence of Pitts' crime and made it too difficult to prosecute him.

But the MSU situation concerns covering up wrongdoings that we've never heard about until now. The Pitts situation was under investigation while protecting the privacy of the suspect pending the investigation, and Miller was removed from the situation and commenting about it during the investigation.

Dang it. I have always liked Izzo, he's a yooper. He looked like he wanted to die. He and his players get really involved in some pretty cool outreach activities for less fortunate kids in the area. Children's hospital stuff too.

Yins are yoopers, too.

Rooting for Archie to pull off the upset at home tonight.

TatetheGreat wrote:Rooting for Archie to pull off the upset at home tonight.

Yuppers!

Want to read something shocking?

https://www.buzzfeed.com/mbvd/police-ar ... siLZWXJqW7" target="_blank

A former dean at Michigan State University has been charged amid an investigation into the school's handling of allegations against Larry Nassar, a former MSU doctor convicted of sexually abusing dozens of female patients. 

William Strampel, 70, has been charged with allegedly using his office to harass and sexually assault female students as well as having pornographic material on his work computer, including a video of Nassar performing "treatment" on a young female patient. 

Whoa. That’ll do it.

Still boggles the mind that the uproar is about paying players, but sexual abuse in programs or administrations is accepted.

Cripes. Nassar videoed them then shared them with administrators? Unreal.

I really have no words. I'd give the whole school the NCAA death penalty with releases without penalty for all athletes while putting everyone involved in the state pen.

I guess I do have words, but this is quite upsetting.

yeah uhhhhhh burn em down

Way to protect student athletes NCAA

Despicable

Olsondogg wrote:Still boggles the mind that the uproar is about paying players, but sexual abuse in programs or administrations is accepted.

Well, that isn't an NCAA rules violation. If that doesn't tell you all you need to know about NCAA rules...

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:Still boggles the mind that the uproar is about paying players, but sexual abuse in programs or administrations is accepted.

Well, that isn't an NCAA rules violation. If that doesn't tell you all you need to know about NCAA rules...

I'm not even talking about the NBA. I'm saying from the media at all. Where's the "Fire Altman/Izzo because they knew"

Olsondogg wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:Still boggles the mind that the uproar is about paying players, but sexual abuse in programs or administrations is accepted.

Well, that isn't an NCAA rules violation. If that doesn't tell you all you need to know about NCAA rules...

I'm not even talking about the NBA. I'm saying from the media at all. Where's the "Fire Altman/Izzo because they knew"

Exactly, this double standard makes it really challenging to want to follow college basketball

Olsondogg wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:Still boggles the mind that the uproar is about paying players, but sexual abuse in programs or administrations is accepted.

Well, that isn't an NCAA rules violation. If that doesn't tell you all you need to know about NCAA rules...

I'm not even talking about the NBA. I'm saying from the media at all. Where's the "Fire Altman/Izzo because they knew"

IMO, it's tragic that the NCAA does not have a catchall rule for stuff like this and PSU. When intercollegiate athletics are a platform for child and/or sexual abuse, it's sick, perverse logic that the NCAA isn't concerned with that.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:IMO, it's tragic that the NCAA does not have a catchall rule for stuff like this and PSU. When intercollegiate athletics are a platform for child and/or sexual abuse, it's sick, perverse logic that the NCAA isn't concerned with that.

There is no "bringing the game/school/league/association into disrepute" rule? I would have thought there would be.

Olsondogg wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:Still boggles the mind that the uproar is about paying players, but sexual abuse in programs or administrations is accepted.

Well, that isn't an NCAA rules violation. If that doesn't tell you all you need to know about NCAA rules...

I'm not even talking about the NBA. I'm saying from the media at all. Where's the "Fire Altman/Izzo because they knew"

Things that make you go hmm.....

https://www.cbssports.com/general/news/ ... urnalists/" target="_blank

With Michigan State facing questions in its complicity to Larry Nassar's systemic molestation of underage girls during his time at the university, its PR took another hit on Wednesday. The Lansing State Journal uncovered that PR firm Weber Shandwick billed Michigan State over $500,000 for its services in January. The firm's services included monitoring the accounts of victims and their families, journalists, politicians and celebrities.

New lawsuit accusing MSU of covering up rape by 3 basketball players in 2015.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/coll ... new-cookie" target="_blank

Not Izzo but more MSU problems

Love this!

I’m sure Dickie V would go apeshit about this but this coach’s last name ends in a vowel so it will be crickets.