Bear Down Wildcats

84Cat wrote:

Irish27 wrote:I don't think Miller will be here next year.

Will he even coach tomorrow?

How can he?

Still waiting for his statement, but I don’t see how he coaches another game at AZ.

#FreeCollegeBasketball

Well that pretty much puts a bow on things

I really enjoyed being an Arizona basketball fan

dovecanyoncat wrote:#FreeCollegeBasketball

As Bilas said: "The NCAA rules are founded on a corrupt premise"

Agree with JT 100%.

Jalen Rose a few minutes ago on ESPN told college players to boycott the NCAA tournament.

That is already what UCLA is doing this season, obviously.

Bruins01 wrote:Um...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... estigation" target="_blank

https://sports.yahoo.com/black-market-d ... 05930.html" target="_blank

Michigan State, Indiana, Kansas, so many programs implicated. 10k a month to Josh Jackson.

But yeah, we just jumped right to the top of that list.

This year, the whole landscape has changed.

So who would that be then? I'd rather have a good coach that can lead us through the 40 years of desert wandering we're about to go through than some feel good story alumni coach.

Alieberman wrote:Well that pretty much puts a bow on things

I really enjoyed being an Arizona basketball fan

Arizona basketball is like a marriage, through sickness and health. I think Heeke should tell the NCAA they are self-imposing sanctions, which includes no postseason this year.

Miles Simon.

I will not be surprised if he steps down some time before tip-off tomorrow. One can only hope Romar sticks around for a couple of years and helps maintain some stability during an era of sanctions.

What's Tim Floyd doing these days?

Newportcat wrote:Little surprised anyone is stunned we paid recruits

Newport,

What I'm the most stunned about is that fully functioning and well educated adults would engage in something so utterly criminally stupid and idiotic as to talk, discuss and negotiate paying players over a phone.

Even my dog knows what amateurism entails. These highly improper and woefully illegal activities which are widespread across the full college sporting spectrum are primarily done and consummated on the worlds most well known and fully acknowledged recording devices...........a phone.

There is nothing that is said over telephonic lines/airwaves or email texts that are not recorded and meta data stored and archived for future use. George Orwell is blushing at the stupid hubris of the coaching community.

These freaking idiots that call themselves coaches of conscience and integrity doing this shit putting everything and everyone and the school in serious criminal jeopardy is beyond comprehension.

The crap has been going on so long its laughable and everyone is dirty as hell. Even the damn players parents are dirty as hell, they all want the cash.

That ain't no putting this genie back in the bottle and now we know our favorite coach is just the same as the implicated crooks.

We all already knew, but still a sad day to hear this crap. The entire phony amateurism talking point is about to come crashing down because everyone pays players.

So how does this work?

Miller steps aside and Romar becomes Interim Head Coach.

Then Romar steps aside for payments to Fultz.

Then what?

Jeez.

I really hope Miller was wearing a wire the entire time.

But the leak suggests he's on the wrong side.

This is hard to take but I will always be an Arizona Wildcat fan. Players like Jason Terry and so many more is why. Just can't give up even though we're in for some tough times ahead. If I can live through the Ben Lindsay year I can live through this.

How many coaches survive this season? I think we could see dozens fired

Irish27 wrote:Agree with JT 100%.

sounds like he is positioning himself for a job lmao

midnightx wrote:I will not be surprised if he steps down some time before tip-off tomorrow. One can only hope Romar sticks around for a couple of years and helps maintain some stability during an era of sanctions.

Considering Fultz's name has popped up, who is to say Romar didn't have similar issues at UW?

Does this also mean Ayton has played his last game for us?

Alieberman wrote:Does this also mean Ayton has played his last game for us?

It has to, right?

azgreg wrote:What's Tim Floyd doing these days?

Don't twist that knife, not now motherfucker, no matter how funny it may be.

F man...so depressed. Zona bball will never be the same.

Man Miller is dumb. Talking on a phone about this to some runner about payments. You have Book do that. Didn’t he ever watch the wire

I really hope he didn’t lie to the FBI either

84Cat wrote:How many coaches survive this season? I think we could see dozens fired

On some level, how can you fire that many?

I mean, I don't know how much clearer it can get in terms of what the going rate was if you wanted to play the game.

CatMG wrote:

midnightx wrote:I will not be surprised if he steps down some time before tip-off tomorrow. One can only hope Romar sticks around for a couple of years and helps maintain some stability during an era of sanctions.

Considering Fultz's name has popped up, who is to say Romar didn't have similar issues at UW?

Good point. What a mess.

Irish27 wrote:

The report says itwas a wiretap....

midnightx wrote:I will not be surprised if he steps down some time before tip-off tomorrow. One can only hope Romar sticks around for a couple of years and helps maintain some stability during an era of sanctions.

wasn't Fultz one of the players in the FBI investigation?

ha

Newportcat wrote:Man Miller is dumb. Talking on a phone about this to some runner about payments. You have Book do that. Didn’t he ever watch the wire

I really hope he didn’t lie to the FBI either

I thought the same thing. Obstruction isn't taken lightly by the Feds. Miller could be looking at some pretty substantial prison time depending on what he said or didn't say. Unbelievable.

How many years could Miller get in jail?

The NCAA big wigs have to shitting themselves this week.

This is like the counterparty uncertainty in the financial meltdown of 2008. No one knows which program is at risk.

Whats the most funny about all of this shit is the NCAA has known for years that players and parents are paid huge sums of money for the stars. And others not so fortunate get hand out's under the table.

But those asshats at the FBI had to come along and conduct a giant sting and get all of the dirt on a dirty underbelly that has existed all along.

The NCAA is almost dead and the paradigm of amateur college sporting events is about to change forever. Now people can stop living the lie and admit openly what they would only say in private before.

From the AZ Daily Star story:

Former Arizona Wildcat Jason Terry, now a guard with the NBA's Milwaukee Bucks, tweeted Friday that it is "time to clean house and bring home our own bloodlines" to carry on former coach Lute Olson's legacy.

"We have too much pride, too much tradition to allow outsiders to tear down what we built," he said, referring to Miller.

Irish27 wrote:How many years could Miller get in jail?

Up to 5 years

Aside from obstruction, *if he lied to the FBI*, I don't see the crime unless he pocketed money. It would appear that may also be a possible defense. "Hey, I just facilitated something between a party wanting to pay and a party willing to accept." NCAA will drop the hammer, but can't see jail time for that unless someone is defrauded. You could argue the UofA is a victim I guess? It's so bad regardless of how you see it that the only way it can get better is if K, Roy, Self and others are also on tape.

Really a depressing week. Hard to see any way the program survives this.

A big part of the NCAA’s energy right now has to be about not let this pivot to football and boosters.

azgreg wrote:The NCAA big wigs have to shitting themselves this week.

How about CBS and the other associated March Madness networks? After paying around $8 Billion for extended March Madness coverage rights, one would think the network sports divisions are very concerned with not only how this scandal will impact ratings and advertising, but what the product on the floor is going to look like in a couple of years when most of the college level stars could forgo playing NCAA basketball altogether, because you can bet that the NBA is looking at establishing some sort of attractive development training and league.

RaisingArizona wrote:A big part of the NCAA’s energy right now has to be about not let this pivot to football and boosters.

Its just as bad in football. Don't kid yourself.

SunnyAZ wrote:

Irish27 wrote:Agree with JT 100%.

sounds like he is positioning himself for a job lmao

But if Kerr wants a new challenge, I'm all for it.

pc in NM wrote:

Irish27 wrote:

The report says itwas a wiretap....

It says someone in the know says that a wiretap was involved, maybe they got that info from Dawkins?

I would be very surprised if Arizona even plays in the tournament this year.

Robbins and Heeke may have to pull the trigger and bite the bullet. The cleanse has to start right away no matter how painful.

The way forward out of this hellish mess:

Assuming this is true........and Heeke needs to get Miller in his office in front of him ASAP and demand a full accounting:

1) Fire Miller...........asap
2) Suspend Ayton from the team.........immediately
3) After consultation with the NCAA......Self Sanction immediately including NOT playing in the upcoming NCAA tourney.
Please don't shriek "Win and Vacate" at me. That slogan was always silly, if not downright stupid. Without Trier/Ayton we
are not going anywhere. By taking the NCAA sanction hit now it will speed the recovery process for the program. If missing
the 2018 tourney coupled with firing the coach and accepting the loss of a scholarship or two will placate the NCAA we should
take it and RUN. This would allow the next coach to start recruiting the 2019 class without the threat of further sanctions
hanging over the program
4) Hire a new coach NOT IMPLICATED in the scandal. The Cincy/TTech coaches both look good to me. The faster we get out ahead
of the "hiring a new coach game" the better...........there will be a number of other programs that will probably end up firing
their coaches which will result in coaches like Cronin seeing a rapid rise in their market value

RaisingArizona wrote:A big part of the NCAA’s energy right now has to be about not let this pivot to football and boosters.

Man, you know this shit is going down in football.

I mean, if this follows to an honest conclusion, the NCAA shouldn't survive.

SunnyAZ wrote:

SunnyAZ wrote:

Irish27 wrote:Agree with JT 100%.

sounds like he is positioning himself for a job lmao

But if Kerr wants a new challenge, I'm all for it.

Kerr doesn't want any part of this shit show.

Luke Walton might

RaisingArizona wrote:Luke Walton might

Lakers HC is one of the best jobs in all of sports. He’s not going anywhere.