Conference Realignment

[Basketcats]

Don't forget the SEC in this conversation. They may want a presence in all four time zones. And if they do, Oregon and Washington will be the first two they invite. If they invite a total of six, then the next four are the Arizona schools, Colorado, and Utah. If the SEC wants just four, then we're battling the other three for an invite.

If we jump to the BIG 12 now, Oregon and Washington may not come along. Of if they do, only if they have a quick and cheap out agreement if the SEC or BIG 10 comes calling. I doubt the BIG 12 agrees to that. Forcing UW and Oregon into the BIG 12 now would also end any chances of us getting an invite into a SEC west coast division.

Phil Knight has said he wants Oregon in either the BIG 10 or the SEC. The BIG 10 invite may never come, especially if Notre Dame says yes. The SEC? I think it's worth waiting to see what happens. The BIG 12 isn't going anywhere any times soon, and it's unlikely Oregon will ever join. That makes us more attractive to the BIG 12 both now, and in the future.

Arizona schools have a better chance of winning the national championship than getting into the SEC. To the SEC and B1G we are Bobby Boucher.

[AzCatFan2]

The SEC would much rather take UNC Clemson and Florida schools than Arizona

Clemson yes. UNC maybe. But what does FSU and Miami add to the SEC that they don't already have? With the University of Florida, the SEC already has plenty of eyeballs in the state. What Oregon and the Arizona schools have to offer are eyeballs the SEC currently doesn't have. And these are late viewing eyeballs. FSU is not going to play a game that starts at 10pm Eastern. Current PAC schools are quite used to playing at this time.

The LA schools going to the BIG 10 changes things. Being strong regionally may not be enough to be a true power conference. And if having the LA schools gives the BIG 10 enough of an advantage because of all the west coast eyeballs, the SEC will respond.

Certainly Phil Knight is in the ears of SEC Nike schools making this same argument. If the SEC doesn't add west coast schools, they risk losing a big portion of the country to the BIG 10. This nationwide reach didn't mean much before last week for the SEC, but region is no longer a consideration with the BIG 10 adding S. California.

And while there is no guarantee the SEC takes us, if it comes down to two schools among the 4-corner PAC schools, I like our chances. Football wise, none of the four schools offers anything to the SEC they don't already own. Oregon and Washington do that. But the other 20% of revenue? We shine in those sports. And if you worried about the SEC wanting the Phoenix market, Arizona owns enough of it, just like Florida owns enough of the Miami market, that really isn't a big consideration.

Phil Knight won't rest until Oregon is in the BIG 10 or the SEC. We're not getting a BIG 10 invite, but could be included in with the SEC. If not, the BIG 12 will still be there. The worry that the BIG 12 will take Oregon, Washington, Colorado, and ASu and leave us out is all but off the table. Oregon isn't going to settle for the BIG 12. Their sights are set on something bigger. Ours should be too, until those options are no longer available.

[RondaeShimmy]

Lol the big ten basically very apathetic about Oregon/Washington

Not hard to figure out why, any new members need to add at minimum $140 million of value - Oregon/Washington only add $60 Mill

Staying in the PAC 12 will get us crumbs without the LA schools and any expansion members don't add much value while Oregon/Washington will be looking to bolt at first chance. Just go to the big 12 for god's sake.

[AzCatFan2]

Here's an article on Phil Knight wanting the BIG 10 or SEC only. https://247sports.com/Article/Nike-foun ... 189727453/

Have to think, where Oregon goes, Washington will want to follow. Especially if its the SEC. If that happens, that leaves one of two options for us. Follow and get an SEC invite. Or have a soft landing in the BIG 12. The only way we're left out of the BIG 12 is if Oregon goes to the BIG 10, UW goes to the BIG 12, and they take only 3 others, and we're the odd man out among the 4 corners PAC schools. Very unlikely of that happening.

[dmjcat]

My two cents:

The UA needs to what is best for the UA..........not the P12 or UW/UO.

At the end of the day UO/UW is going to do whats best for them......not us. Just ask USC/UCLA

I'm fine staying with the P12 if it can show that it can generate more revenue than a B12 tie up can.....which I think is very unlikely. After all, this is all about money.

One concern with staying in the P12 is that UO/UW may bolt for the B1G in then next 2-3 years if they have the chance......which could potentially leave the UA high & dry.

At the moment the B12 appears to be the best strategic option, with the best revenue.

[DrWildcat]

Everyone wants a BIG10 or SEC offer but who can get it? It sure as hell isn't us. If the bigger football brands left in the PAC can't get an offer why the hell would we?

[PHXCATS]

"The Pac-12's current contract with ESPN and Fox expires in 2024, though Fox isn't expected to be interested in Pac-12 rights going forward."

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... las-vegas/

[dmjcat]

Everyone wants a BIG10 or SEC offer but who can get it? It sure as hell isn't us. If the bigger football brands left in the PAC can't get an offer why the hell would we?

Agreed................the UA is not going to get an offer from either conference. Which is why a B12 tie up makes the most sense. It has the best chance of being the #3 conference. The P12 is just a leaking ship taking on water. USC/UCLA can't be replaced.

[PHXCATS]

Everyone wants a BIG10 or SEC offer but who can get it? It sure as hell isn't us. If the bigger football brands left in the PAC can't get an offer why the hell would we?

Agreed................the UA is not going to get an offer from either conference. Which is why a B12 tie up makes the most sense. It has the best chance of being the #3 conference. The P12 is just a leaking ship taking on water. USC/UCLA can't be replaced.

Especially without Fox. espn could just dictate the price it wants for the 10pmET timeslot

[RondaeShimmy]

We need to go the big 12, only conference that could realistically get an offer from CBS

[AzCatFan2]

We're not getting a BIG10 offer. But why wouldn't we get a SEC offer? If the SEC covets the Phoenix market, we have enough of that to cover. The SEC doesn't distinguish between ASu and Arizona football programs at all. But they certainly know Arizona basketball.

And if we don't get the SEC invite, why wouldn't the BIG 12 invite us then? If Oregon and UW, plus Colorado and ASu get the SEC invite, the BIG 12 is going to look to expand. Arizona and Utah become the top targets at this point. If Oregon gets its BIG10 invite, the BIG 12 as is would still be a distant third to the SEC and BIG 10, and would look to strengthen itself. Again, Arizona would be an attractive option for the BIG 12.

I agree the PAC is likely dead, and Oregon bolts the first time it gets a call from the BIG 10 or the SEC. Maybe we can add some BIG 12 schools like OK State and TCU, plus promote schools like UNLV and SDSU and survive short term. But Oregon would still bolt if and when they can for greener pastures. And those greener pastures for Oregon does not include the BIG 12.

We have no real reason to bolt to the BIG 12 today. That door is unlikely to close to us. Again, the fear scenario of us getting left behind was Oregon and UW to the BIG 12, along with ASu and Colorado. That's not happening if Oregon refuses to go to the BIG 12. And it looks like if they do, the BIG 12 is ready to take all 6, Oregon, UW, and the 4 corner PAC schools. Like I said before, no reason to panic. If we soft land in the BIG 12 because that's our best option, so be it. But let's not close other opportunities before they are even presented.

[RondaeShimmy]

We're not getting a BIG10 offer. But why wouldn't we get a SEC offer? If the SEC covets the Phoenix market, we have enough of that to cover. The SEC doesn't distinguish between ASu and Arizona football programs at all. But they certainly know Arizona basketball.

And if we don't get the SEC invite, why wouldn't the BIG 12 invite us then? If Oregon and UW, plus Colorado and ASu get the SEC invite, the BIG 12 is going to look to expand. Arizona and Utah become the top targets at this point. If Oregon gets its BIG10 invite, the BIG 12 as is would still be a distant third to the SEC and BIG 10, and would look to strengthen itself. Again, Arizona would be an attractive option for the BIG 12.

I agree the PAC is likely dead, and Oregon bolts the first time it gets a call from the BIG 10 or the SEC. Maybe we can add some BIG 12 schools like OK State and TCU, plus promote schools like UNLV and SDSU and survive short term. But Oregon would still bolt if and when they can for greener pastures. And those greener pastures for Oregon does not include the BIG 12.

We have no real reason to bolt to the BIG 12 today. That door is unlikely to close to us. Again, the fear scenario of us getting left behind was Oregon and UW to the BIG 12, along with ASu and Colorado. That's not happening if Oregon refuses to go to the BIG 12. And it looks like if they do, the BIG 12 is ready to take all 6, Oregon, UW, and the 4 corner PAC schools. Like I said before, no reason to panic. If we soft land in the BIG 12 because that's our best option, so be it. But let's not close other opportunities before they are even presented.

We could sit and wait until 2050 and that sec offer still isn't going to come

[dmjcat]

We're not getting a BIG10 offer. But why wouldn't we get a SEC offer? If the SEC covets the Phoenix market, we have enough of that to cover. The SEC doesn't distinguish between ASu and Arizona football programs at all. But they certainly know Arizona basketball.

And if we don't get the SEC invite, why wouldn't the BIG 12 invite us then? If Oregon and UW, plus Colorado and ASu get the SEC invite, the BIG 12 is going to look to expand. Arizona and Utah become the top targets at this point. If Oregon gets its BIG10 invite, the BIG 12 as is would still be a distant third to the SEC and BIG 10, and would look to strengthen itself. Again, Arizona would be an attractive option for the BIG 12.

I agree the PAC is likely dead, and Oregon bolts the first time it gets a call from the BIG 10 or the SEC. Maybe we can add some BIG 12 schools like OK State and TCU, plus promote schools like UNLV and SDSU and survive short term. But Oregon would still bolt if and when they can for greener pastures. And those greener pastures for Oregon does not include the BIG 12.

We have no real reason to bolt to the BIG 12 today. That door is unlikely to close to us. Again, the fear scenario of us getting left behind was Oregon and UW to the BIG 12, along with ASu and Colorado. That's not happening if Oregon refuses to go to the BIG 12. And it looks like if they do, the BIG 12 is ready to take all 6, Oregon, UW, and the 4 corner PAC schools. Like I said before, no reason to panic. If we soft land in the BIG 12 because that's our best option, so be it. But let's not close other opportunities before they are even presented.

We are NOT getting an SEC offer. We would not bring sufficient revenue to justify the extra cut we would get out of the SEC pie. Its all about money. Alabama is not going to admit a bunch of P12 schools which add little to revenue.......their share of the pie would be cut.

[AzCatFan2]

We're not getting a BIG10 offer. But why wouldn't we get a SEC offer? If the SEC covets the Phoenix market, we have enough of that to cover. The SEC doesn't distinguish between ASu and Arizona football programs at all. But they certainly know Arizona basketball.

And if we don't get the SEC invite, why wouldn't the BIG 12 invite us then? If Oregon and UW, plus Colorado and ASu get the SEC invite, the BIG 12 is going to look to expand. Arizona and Utah become the top targets at this point. If Oregon gets its BIG10 invite, the BIG 12 as is would still be a distant third to the SEC and BIG 10, and would look to strengthen itself. Again, Arizona would be an attractive option for the BIG 12.

I agree the PAC is likely dead, and Oregon bolts the first time it gets a call from the BIG 10 or the SEC. Maybe we can add some BIG 12 schools like OK State and TCU, plus promote schools like UNLV and SDSU and survive short term. But Oregon would still bolt if and when they can for greener pastures. And those greener pastures for Oregon does not include the BIG 12.

We have no real reason to bolt to the BIG 12 today. That door is unlikely to close to us. Again, the fear scenario of us getting left behind was Oregon and UW to the BIG 12, along with ASu and Colorado. That's not happening if Oregon refuses to go to the BIG 12. And it looks like if they do, the BIG 12 is ready to take all 6, Oregon, UW, and the 4 corner PAC schools. Like I said before, no reason to panic. If we soft land in the BIG 12 because that's our best option, so be it. But let's not close other opportunities before they are even presented.

We could sit and wait until 2050 and that sec offer still isn't going to come

And who would have thought USC and UCLA would bolt for the BIG 10? You don't know.

If it's about total eyeballs, and the SEC doesn't have any in the west, giving the BIG 10 an advantage, then the SEC will respond. Doubtful the SEC takes Oregon and UW only. Why not Arizona then as one of the other invites? Again, Phil Knight wants Oregon in the SEC or Big 10 only, and Arizona is a loyal Nike school. Arizona football wouldn't add much to the SEC, but neither would ASu. And at least we'd compete with Kentucky for basketball.

Our nightmare scenario was the BIG 12 taking Oregon, UW, Colorado and ASu, shutting us out. With Oregon not wanting to settle for the BIG 12, and the BIG 12 showing a desire to take all 6 PAC schools if Oregon has no choice, how likely is our nightmare scenario? Highly unlikely. And if Oregon gets its BIG 10 invite, does that make Arizona any less attractive to the BIG 12? No. If this happens, we bolt.

If the future of college football is coast-to-coast conferences that attempts to capture eyeballs from dawn to dusk across the country, the SEC will pick up west coast teams. If this happens, and we're one of them, fantastic. If not, the BIG 12 would add us without question. No need to panic and make any moves right now.

[84Cat]

[DrWildcat]

No one was thinking USC and UCLA were going to leave, but after they did it makes complete sense. It is the LA market and big-time brands.

Now what does Arizona add? Since football is the only thing that matters here, nothing. I'm not even sure that you can consider us the Phoenix TV market without ASU. It would be interesting to see what ESPN/FOX/etc would actually define as the individual Arizona TV market.

[PHXCATS]

Everyone can get any game they want here already. This new eyeballs thing is not as drastic as it seems.

You have a pie of viewers of college sports. That pie is not gonna get much larger or smaller based on any relocation moves. Extremely slightly sure but nothing material.

You are fighting for how big a slice of the pie not how big of a pie

NO TEAM west of Texas does 1/4th as good as the weakest SEC team does except Oregon and USC.

Big Ten and SEC will never get anyone else unless they are required to, not because they want to, unless those schools are talking less than half shares

[RondaeShimmy]

We're not getting a BIG10 offer. But why wouldn't we get a SEC offer? If the SEC covets the Phoenix market, we have enough of that to cover. The SEC doesn't distinguish between ASu and Arizona football programs at all. But they certainly know Arizona basketball.

And if we don't get the SEC invite, why wouldn't the BIG 12 invite us then? If Oregon and UW, plus Colorado and ASu get the SEC invite, the BIG 12 is going to look to expand. Arizona and Utah become the top targets at this point. If Oregon gets its BIG10 invite, the BIG 12 as is would still be a distant third to the SEC and BIG 10, and would look to strengthen itself. Again, Arizona would be an attractive option for the BIG 12.

I agree the PAC is likely dead, and Oregon bolts the first time it gets a call from the BIG 10 or the SEC. Maybe we can add some BIG 12 schools like OK State and TCU, plus promote schools like UNLV and SDSU and survive short term. But Oregon would still bolt if and when they can for greener pastures. And those greener pastures for Oregon does not include the BIG 12.

We have no real reason to bolt to the BIG 12 today. That door is unlikely to close to us. Again, the fear scenario of us getting left behind was Oregon and UW to the BIG 12, along with ASu and Colorado. That's not happening if Oregon refuses to go to the BIG 12. And it looks like if they do, the BIG 12 is ready to take all 6, Oregon, UW, and the 4 corner PAC schools. Like I said before, no reason to panic. If we soft land in the BIG 12 because that's our best option, so be it. But let's not close other opportunities before they are even presented.

We could sit and wait until 2050 and that sec offer still isn't going to come

And who would have thought USC and UCLA would bolt for the BIG 10? You don't know.

If it's about total eyeballs, and the SEC doesn't have any in the west, giving the BIG 10 an advantage, then the SEC will respond. Doubtful the SEC takes Oregon and UW only. Why not Arizona then as one of the other invites? Again, Phil Knight wants Oregon in the SEC or Big 10 only, and Arizona is a loyal Nike school. Arizona football wouldn't add much to the SEC, but neither would ASu. And at least we'd compete with Kentucky for basketball.

Our nightmare scenario was the BIG 12 taking Oregon, UW, Colorado and ASu, shutting us out. With Oregon not wanting to settle for the BIG 12, and the BIG 12 showing a desire to take all 6 PAC schools if Oregon has no choice, how likely is our nightmare scenario? Highly unlikely. And if Oregon gets its BIG 10 invite, does that make Arizona any less attractive to the BIG 12? No. If this happens, we bolt.

If the future of college football is coast-to-coast conferences that attempts to capture eyeballs from dawn to dusk across the country, the SEC will pick up west coast teams. If this happens, and we're one of them, fantastic. If not, the BIG 12 would add us without question. No need to panic and make any moves right now.

Nobody on the west coast watches college sports which is why the conference is actually in the state it is in. There's not much die-hards other the maybe Oregon football or Arizona basketball fans.

Traditional tv markets clearly don't matter since the PAC had LA, SF, Seattle, Denver, Phoenix and it didn't do much for the conference.

The SEC already has the heavy dominated tv ratings with colleges in Tuscaloosa, Auburn, Knoxville, Gainesville - ie truck stops.

What does Arizona add, even Oregon/Washington doesn't add much to the SEC in terms of viewership or more revenue.

Only reason Oregon/Washington aren't in the Big Ten right now is because combined they only bring in $60 million in value, while the Big Ten needs at least #140+ million minimum added so each schools payout doesn't go down. Which is why they would only be considered if Notre Dame joins (but ND wants Stanford).

[CalStateTempe]

DO IT!!!

Make this shotgun wedding happen!

Just sent it.

[CalStateTempe]

Peace out huskies and ducks, have fun with Fresno st, wolf pack and cal.

[azgreg]

[ASUHATER!]

Which means Arizona needs to pull the eject handle and go to the big 12 now if they can

[AzCatFan2]

The SEC has eyeballs in the Southwest and part of what is considered the MidWest in Missouri. They will soon be in OK and Texas. What they don't have? Eyeballs out west in any significant amount. That's what Oregon adds, along with Washington. And again, I doubt the SEC takes just these two, if they move out west.

Here's an article from Sports Illustrated explaining why if the SEC expands, it will be coastal west. https://www.si.com/college/alabama/bama ... pansion-go

Florida schools and even Clemson don't add significant eyeballs in areas that the SEC already has locked up. And time zones matter. There are only so many prime tv slots, and the SEC doesn't need schools to compete for the best east coast and central time zone slots. They have these locked up. What the SEC lacks that the BIG 10 will soon have? West coast time slots.

The SI article mentions Oregon, Washington, Colorado and ASu (because of Denver and Phoenix markets respectively), but one, we aren't sure the SEC will stop at four out west if they expand. And two, there is a chance the SEC chooses Arizona over ASu if it is just four schools. We have a compelling case to make.

Jumping to the BIG 12 now is a panic mistake in my opinion. We're worried we'll be locked out of any of the big conferences, so take the invite now? Frankly, the BIG 12 invite is going to be there if and when we want it. Why not wait to see if something better comes along first? The nightmare scenario is the last likely event to happen, so no real urgency to jump now to the BIG 12 to avoid it.

[azgreg]

What exit fee number would be big enough to keep Oregon/Washington in the PAC?

[CalStateTempe]

Go to big 12, and the Phx market is still there for the sec if they want it.

Which they won’t, Because the sec won’t take us.

Protect your brand, secure resources for your program, live to fight another day.

Fuck Oregon in the process.

I see no downside.

Go cats to the B12!!!!

[RondaeShimmy]

The SEC has eyeballs in the Southwest and part of what is considered the MidWest in Missouri. They will soon be in OK and Texas. What they don't have? Eyeballs out west in any significant amount. That's what Oregon adds, along with Washington. And again, I doubt the SEC takes just these two, if they move out west.

Here's an article from Sports Illustrated explaining why if the SEC expands, it will be coastal west. https://www.si.com/college/alabama/bama ... pansion-go

Florida schools and even Clemson don't add significant eyeballs in areas that the SEC already has locked up. And time zones matter. There are only so many prime tv slots, and the SEC doesn't need schools to compete for the best east coast and central time zone slots. They have these locked up. What the SEC lacks that the BIG 10 will soon have? West coast time slots.

The SI article mentions Oregon, Washington, Colorado and ASu (because of Denver and Phoenix markets respectively), but one, we aren't sure the SEC will stop at four out west if they expand. And two, there is a chance the SEC chooses Arizona over ASu if it is just four schools. We have a compelling case to make.

Jumping to the BIG 12 now is a panic mistake in my opinion. We're worried we'll be locked out of any of the big conferences, so take the invite now? Frankly, the BIG 12 invite is going to be there if and when we want it. Why not wait to see if something better comes along first? The nightmare scenario is the last likely event to happen, so no real urgency to jump now to the BIG 12 to avoid it.

That article is nothing but speculation of what the sec might do. Nothing tangible.

They also mention expanding east, Midwest, and also west. Looks like they covered all of their bases.

[dmjcat]

What exit fee number would be big enough to keep Oregon/Washington in the PAC?

I would suggest the market cap of Nike

[84Cat]

The only downside I see is that we recruit California big time. In the Pac, their families can still see them play and the kids are aware of us and how we play. We already lost the LA market so time will tell if this presents any problems.

[AzCatFan2]

Go to big 12, and the Phx market is still there for the sec if they want it.

Which they won’t, Because the sec won’t take us.

Protect your brand, secure resources for your program, live to fight another day.

Fuck Oregon in the process.

I see no downside.

Go cats to the B12!!!!

No downside? Ever been to Lubbock?

The downside is without Oregon and UW, the BIG 12 is a second rate football conference. A distant third to the SEC and BIG 10. With Oregon and UW, still third, but the gap closes significantly. And as a distant third, we'll get paid accordingly. If this were our only option, or a return to the WAC, sure. But today, it's not. And by saying not right now, it doesn't close the door to the BIG 12 in the future, who would still find us valuable.

[dmjcat]

Go to big 12, and the Phx market is still there for the sec if they want it.

Which they won’t, Because the sec won’t take us.

Protect your brand, secure resources for your program, live to fight another day.

Fuck Oregon in the process.

I see no downside.

Go cats to the B12!!!!

No downside? Ever been to Lubbock?

The downside is without Oregon and UW, the BIG 12 is a second rate football conference. A distant third to the SEC and BIG 10. With Oregon and UW, still third, but the gap closes significantly. And as a distant third, we'll get paid accordingly. If this were our only option, or a return to the WAC, sure. But today, it's not. And by saying not right now, it doesn't close the door to the BIG 12 in the future, who would still find us valuable.

The PAC12 WITH UCLA/USC was second rate.

In case you haven't noticed the existing B12 payout per school is LARGER than the P12 (with USC/UCLA). I doubt our new contract is going be better if we stay in the P12

[AzCatFan2]

Go to big 12, and the Phx market is still there for the sec if they want it.

Which they won’t, Because the sec won’t take us.

Protect your brand, secure resources for your program, live to fight another day.

Fuck Oregon in the process.

I see no downside.

Go cats to the B12!!!!

No downside? Ever been to Lubbock?

The downside is without Oregon and UW, the BIG 12 is a second rate football conference. A distant third to the SEC and BIG 10. With Oregon and UW, still third, but the gap closes significantly. And as a distant third, we'll get paid accordingly. If this were our only option, or a return to the WAC, sure. But today, it's not. And by saying not right now, it doesn't close the door to the BIG 12 in the future, who would still find us valuable.

The PAC12 WITH UCLA/USC was second rate.

In case you haven't noticed the existing B12 payout per school is LARGER than the P12 (with USC/UCLA). I doubt our new contract is going be better if we stay in the P12

The PAC is all but dead. I don't see the invitation to the BIG 12 going away any time soon. We have the luxury of waiting to see if something better comes along. Maybe it's a PAC lifeline with a bigger contract? Maybe it's being included with Oregon in a SEC west coast division? Either way, I don't see the BIG 12 pulling their invite if we tell them we're interested, but want to see what else is on the table. Arizona is valuable enough for the BIG 12 that they take us even if they are our sloppy seconds.

[azcat49]

So reading all of your thoughts and digesting the internet fodder this is how I am framing my thoughts

1) we should absolutely be proactive and take the path our leadership thinks is best
2) I trust Oregon about as much as I like ASSU
3) Football matchups in the Big 12 suck but other than familiarity the PAC sucks to.
4) It appears the Big 12 is squeezing the 6 PAC teams by offering 4. Good move on their part
5) I would really like a true ACC/PAC merger and retain Vegas but that looks monetarily unlikely. Also see #2 above

[RondaeShimmy]

If Washington and Oregon stay, they're going to want more power and more share of the (lower) total revenue.

Can't see how anyone wants to stay.

[CatsbyAZ]

The bad taste in all of this is that college sports and the value of any particular program is getting reduced to the size of your media market. The B1G went after the New York (#1) and DC (#6 or 7) markets to no benefit of the fans, stadium attendance, or building rivalries. Maybe Maryland's crappy football program playing in East Lansing was a bit of a novelty for the first few years.

Really makes me miss the old Big East football conference.

[azgreg]

I trust Oregon about as much as I like ASSU

Absolutely.

[RondaeShimmy]

More of the same

[Merkin]

new ESPN network

The Nueve!


This should be a more long term and deliberate decision that could take weeks, if not months, to rectify, says one administrator.

Pass, sorry not sorry.

[AZCatGirl]

It's like a stupider version of the Pac 12 network.

[U.P. Zona Fan]

It's like a stupider version of the Pac 12 network.

Screw that, at least with the PAC 12 network, you could get sling and get the games. If the stupid acc network starts airing PAC 12 games only on the west coast, that's like going back in time like a decade or so.

Come on folks, you want eyes, I have eyes, they are in the Midwest. Don't start doing this regional viewing B-effing-S again, itll be like watching march madness in the 90s where you better hope no one in the big 10, acc, big east, or sec is in the same time slot as Arizona, or you ain't seeing the game.

[KillerKlown]

Just got bitch slapped by the B1G don't need to be waiting around just to get bitch slapped by the ACC with them letting us sleep on their floor as they pimp us out on their network (live only on the westcoast/regional). These ideas are horrendous. Let's skedaddle.

[ztonyg]

Just got bitch slapped by the B1G don't need to be waiting around just to get bitch slapped by the ACC with them letting us sleep on their floor as they pimp us out on their network (live only on the westcoast/regional). These ideas are horrendous. Let's skedaddle.

Do we really need to remain in a conference with Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State? Do those teams really bring much to the table for us?

No, I don't believe they do. Let's join the Big 12 before it's too late.

[AZCatGirl]

Let's goooooooooo!

[RondaeShimmy]

Can't help but feel that ESPN is helping push out the 4 corner schools out but proposing this horrible acc alliance. They'll probably try to give Oregon and Washington some kind of preferential terms to piss off the 4 schools more.

All of course for the 4 schools to join the big 12 and let Texas and Oklahoma out of the big 12 a year early.

[azgreg]

Turns out this Swaim guy is another one of those unreliable types.

[CalStateTempe]

Who’s Swaim?

[azgreg]

Who’s Swaim?

Radio guy in Oklahoma.

[azcat49]

No Utah? That makes more sense that the 4 join. It’s gives BYU Its rival back. I would believe it more if the tweet had mentioned them as well

[CalStateTempe]

Can't help but feel that ESPN is helping push out the 4 corner schools out but proposing this horrible acc alliance. They'll probably try to give Oregon and Washington some kind of preferential terms to piss off the 4 schools more.

All of course for the 4 schools to join the big 12 and let Texas and Oklahoma out of the big 12 a year early.

How many schools would the b12 have then? 14 or 16?

I can’t keep up anymore. Lol

[GlobalCat]

The bad taste in all of this is that college sports and the value of any particular program is getting reduced to the size of your media market. The B1G went after the New York (#1) and DC (#6 or 7) markets to no benefit of the fans, stadium attendance, or building rivalries. Maybe Maryland's crappy football program playing in East Lansing was a bit of a novelty for the first few years.

Really makes me miss the old Big East football conference.

With the irony here the only people in NYC and DC that watch college sports are transplants cheering for their home team.

[PHXCATS]

One thing is becoming very clear. Espn and Fox pay a premium for the 10pm ET window.

I know late kicks suck but it is funding the conference big time