84Cat wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:08 pm
Nobody knows wtf is going on.
Exactly. No one is in the room with George and the PAC-12 Presidents and the TV networks. So you can only use logic. Many are using emoting though
Obviously you are smarter than every pundit covering college sports, so what does logic tell you?
Sorry you are big mad. Please if you can give me the ways with proof or data and not hurt feelings or blindly following Scheer that this is hurting U of A.
Logic says the Presidents have a ballpark idea of money. And if that money is way below big 12 or 100% streaming that Colorado or Arizona or Oregon or Washington would have left already.
Logic says Scheer and Luke and Travis and Blattman being big mad and Jody saying it is embarrassing is actually not hurting UA in any definitive way what so ever
What is the objective of Scheer and podcasters and Big 12 losers? Now what is the objective of UA? Yeah...... I thought so. That is if you got this far without your feelings being too hurt
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BBQ wildcat wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:00 pm
My logic says everything you spew is pure conjecture. Not facts, not proof, not even logic. Just what you hope to be true
You think there has been a year of negotiations and the Presidents don't have a ballpark idea of the numbers?
If so, if so, your loyalty to Scheer and Luke has warped your brain
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Logic: (lɒdʒɪk ) 1. uncountable noun. Logic is a method of reasoning that involves a series of statements, each of which must be true if the statement before it is true.
So Machina, what are you saying that is true? Not just conjecture or wishful thinking, just the facts ma'am.
PHXCATS wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:04 pm
You think there has been a year of negotiations and the Presidents don't have a ballpark idea of the numbers?
You have sources for that? Facts?
And quit the insults, you aren't 12 or on the political board.
KillerKlown wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:24 pm
Of course there've been numbers, but none of them have been worth while or else there would have been a deal or at the very least public.
Why would CU and UA stay then?
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Merkin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:08 pmLogic: (lɒdʒɪk ) 1. uncountable noun. Logic is a method of reasoning that involves a series of statements, each of which must be true if the statement before it is true.
So Machina, what are you saying that is true? Not just conjecture or wishful thinking, just the facts ma'am.
PHXCATS wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:04 pm
You think there has been a year of negotiations and the Presidents don't have a ballpark idea of the numbers?
You have sources for that? Facts?
And quit the insults, you aren't 12 or on the political board.
In the absence of data everything is conjecture and without import, and logic isn't applicable except in respect of the effect of absence, because absence is the only input. To use "logic" to conclude that the longer the absence continues means it is more likely a favorable outcome will occur is nonsensical. When something is nonsensical it is .... what for it .... the opposite of logical.
Machina is a cheerleader and he's butthurt that few others approve.
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PHXCATS wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:15 pm
You have insulted me how many times here and called me ma'am??? God your hypocrisy is off the charts
And yes your brain is broken if you think there have been no numbers in a year
Typical: the absence of numbers proves that there are numbers. And they are good numbers because logic says that absent numbers are the best numbers.
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KillerKlown wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:24 pm
Of course there've been numbers, but none of them have been worth while or else there would have been a deal or at the very least public.
Why would CU and UA stay then?
Maybe because the decision makers have their heads up their asses.
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
Logically, if the P12 commish had an actual deal that was as good (or better) than the B12 deal he would be shouting it from the rooftops (He's not)
Given that nothing has been announced there are two logical explanations:
1) There is no deal
2) The deal they have stinks and the P12 commish is trying to run out the clock without disclosing the details because he knows full well
that 4-6 teams would be heading for the exits if they actually knew the details.
dmjcat wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:41 pm
Logically, if the P12 commish had an actual deal that was as good (or better) than the B12 deal he would be shouting it from the rooftops (He's not)
Given that nothing has been announced there are two logical explanations:
1) There is no deal
2) The deal they have stinks and the P12 commish is trying to run out the clock without disclosing the details because he knows full well
that 4-6 teams would be heading for the exits if they actually knew the details.
This makes absolutely zero sense but keep following your emotions and your leaders Scheer and Luke
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dmjcat wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:41 pm
Logically, if the P12 commish had an actual deal that was as good (or better) than the B12 deal he would be shouting it from the rooftops (He's not)
Given that nothing has been announced there are two logical explanations:
1) There is no deal
2) The deal they have stinks and the P12 commish is trying to run out the clock without disclosing the details because he knows full well
that 4-6 teams would be heading for the exits if they actually knew the details.
This makes absolutely zero sense but keep following your emotions and your leaders Scheer and Luke
Somebody ask this cretin to elucidate how "this makes zero sense." And don't let him weasel out of it.
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
dmjcat wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:41 pm
Logically, if the P12 commish had an actual deal that was as good (or better) than the B12 deal he would be shouting it from the rooftops (He's not)
Given that nothing has been announced there are two logical explanations:
1) There is no deal
2) The deal they have stinks and the P12 commish is trying to run out the clock without disclosing the details because he knows full well
that 4-6 teams would be heading for the exits if they actually knew the details.
This makes absolutely zero sense but keep following your emotions and your leaders Scheer and Luke
dmjcat wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:41 pm
Logically, if the P12 commish had an actual deal that was as good (or better) than the B12 deal he would be shouting it from the rooftops (He's not)
Given that nothing has been announced there are two logical explanations:
1) There is no deal
2) The deal they have stinks and the P12 commish is trying to run out the clock without disclosing the details because he knows full well
that 4-6 teams would be heading for the exits if they actually knew the details.
This makes absolutely zero sense but keep following your emotions and your leaders Scheer and Luke
Phxcats is giving off that “Iraqi Information Minister” vibe and it’s fucking hilarious.
dmjcat wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:41 pm
Logically, if the P12 commish had an actual deal that was as good (or better) than the B12 deal he would be shouting it from the rooftops (He's not)
Given that nothing has been announced there are two logical explanations:
1) There is no deal
2) The deal they have stinks and the P12 commish is trying to run out the clock without disclosing the details because he knows full well
that 4-6 teams would be heading for the exits if they actually knew the details.
This makes absolutely zero sense but keep following your emotions and your leaders Scheer and Luke
Phxcats is giving off that “Iraqi Information Minister” vibe and it’s fucking hilarious.
Oooooh, he's telling us we need to do our own research and not be sheeple following small dick lamestream social media. There's one weird trick you can do that they don't want you to know about. It will open your eyes, but not in a woke way, nooooo.
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
dmjcat wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:41 pm
Logically, if the P12 commish had an actual deal that was as good (or better) than the B12 deal he would be shouting it from the rooftops (He's not)
Given that nothing has been announced there are two logical explanations:
1) There is no deal
2) The deal they have stinks and the P12 commish is trying to run out the clock without disclosing the details because he knows full well
that 4-6 teams would be heading for the exits if they actually knew the details.
This makes absolutely zero sense but keep following your emotions and your leaders Scheer and Luke
You're right, after 12 months, not having any numbers or details to put in front of university presidents means he has a medial deal or a deal in the works that's oh so great, but he just can't share it with his bosses, because if he did the deal would self destruct Mission Impossible style.
Nobody is following Scheer/Luke. Everybody sees the Pac12 for the colossal giant turd with no future that it is. This isn't hard. You're just constipated from a life time of Pac12 bullshit. My favorite line of bullshit is whole "the closer we get to the deadline, the better the deal will get." That kind of doesn't work for the party in the negotiation that's more desperate last I checked.
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KillerKlown wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:24 pm
Of course there've been numbers, but none of them have been worth while or else there would have been a deal or at the very least public.
Why would CU and UA stay then?
Because they're scared of losing Stanford research money. They need the full cover to go. I'd keep a close eye on CU though over the next couple of weeks.
KillerKlown wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:24 pm
Of course there've been numbers, but none of them have been worth while or else there would have been a deal or at the very least public.
Why would CU and UA stay then?
Because they're scared of losing Stanford research money. They need the full cover to go. I'd keep a close eye on CU though over the next couple of weeks.
So UA and CU are purposely hurting themselves to help Stanford?
Or Stanford is sharing a ton of research money with UA and CU?
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KillerKlown wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:24 pm
Of course there've been numbers, but none of them have been worth while or else there would have been a deal or at the very least public.
Why would CU and UA stay then?
Because they're scared of losing Stanford research money. They need the full cover to go. I'd keep a close eye on CU though over the next couple of weeks.
So UA and CU are purposely hurting themselves to help Stanford?
Or Stanford is sharing a ton of research money with UA and CU?
Purposely hurting their athletics maybe, but the latter question is the situation that neither wants to lose.
dmjcat wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:41 pm
Logically, if the P12 commish had an actual deal that was as good (or better) than the B12 deal he would be shouting it from the rooftops (He's not)
Given that nothing has been announced there are two logical explanations:
1) There is no deal
2) The deal they have stinks and the P12 commish is trying to run out the clock without disclosing the details because he knows full well
that 4-6 teams would be heading for the exits if they actually knew the details.
This makes absolutely zero sense but keep following your emotions and your leaders Scheer and Luke
Phxcats is giving off that “Iraqi Information Minister” vibe and it’s fucking hilarious.
Baghdad Bob. Who, ironically, attended none other than the University of Arizona.
wyo-cat wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 6:18 pm
This thread has got to be the biggest circle jerk ever on this site.
At least in a circle jerk you have the chance to climax.
Big dick; little dick; everybody gets a happy ending in this thread. In the Pac-12/10/8/6 ..... not so much.
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
While I agree the mental backflips it would take to argue for staying in the PAC must be exhausting, is it ever really a waste of energy to advocate for the best interests of your school or team?
KillerKlown wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:24 pm
Of course there've been numbers, but none of them have been worth while or else there would have been a deal or at the very least public.
Why would CU and UA stay then?
Because they're scared of losing Stanford research money. They need the full cover to go. I'd keep a close eye on CU though over the next couple of weeks.
So UA and CU are purposely hurting themselves to help Stanford?
Or Stanford is sharing a ton of research money with UA and CU?
Purposely hurting their athletics maybe, but the latter question is the situation that neither wants to lose.
More on academic monies. I imagine university presidents deal with athletics 5% or less of their time. Number one job of a university president is fundraising. They have the provost to run the school.
The Conference Presidents have numbers in front of them. And if the numbers were unacceptably bad, either Kliavkoff would need to go back to the negotiating table or schools would have left already. Washington and Oregon would leave now if the B1G would have them. But for whatever reason, the B1G doesn't want to give the PAC a kill shot. We haven't left with Colorado yet because presumably, the numbers Kliavkoff has presented aren't significantly worse than what the BIG12 has.
And there's several reasons why the negotiations have taken this long. For one, we're negotiating with entities that haven't negotiated these type of contracts before. Disney/ABC and Fox have lawyers and boiler plate contracts with familiar contracts at this point that the fine print aren't an issue. Apple, Amazon, and the CW are new to these type of contracts. They are going to want the lawyers to go over every word.
Then there's Comcast. Rumors are Disney wants to buy out Comcast's 1/3 ownership of Hulu. The PAC also owns Comcast back payment thanks to previous PAC's poor leadership. There might be some reason(s) why the PAC is waiting until a Disney/Comcast agreement with Hulu is worked out. We just don't know.
In the end, there will be one of three outcomes. The PAC contract is great and everyone says it was worth the wait. Anything is possible, but this happening at this point is highly improbable. Second outcome is the PAC contract is good enough, and the conference stays together through at least one more contract. This is the most probable outcome at this point. Last outcome is the contract is crap, and we leave with Colorado to go BIG12, and the conference falls apart. I know this is the outcome many would prefer at this point, but I don't see it likely. Because again, the PAC Presidents have seen the numbers at this point, and the PAC hasn't imploded yet.
AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 8:49 am
The Conference Presidents have numbers in front of them.
Did I miss something? From this past Thursday:
On Thursday, Pac-12 presidents and administrators met for what turned out to be another limited update on the progress of negotiations, multiple sources confirmed to Yahoo Sports — a disappointment considering the Colorado chancellor’s public comments earlier this week. DiStefano told the Denver Post that figures for a potential TV contract were expected to be shared Thursday.
That was never the case, according to those within the league.
Why did DiStefano make such a comment? Was he using it as a tool to put pressure on the commissioner? Some believe that to be the case.
Impatience is growing.
“We need to see numbers,” said one conference official.
Odds on a deal by the first game? Can’t be better than 50/50 can it?
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Isn't this like the fourth or fifth Colorado BOR meeting where the announcement back to the BIG12 is supposed to happen? Not saying it won't this time. But I'm also not going to hold my breath.
AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 3:24 pm
Isn't this like the fourth or fifth Colorado BOR meeting where the announcement back to the BIG12 is supposed to happen? Not saying it won't this time. But I'm also not going to hold my breath.
Seems to be a lot more to it this time that previous times. First time reports have said what was discussed after the fact
We will see what happens. Gotta think short and long term here. We have no idea if the Big 12 is better short or long term right now.
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If Oregon goes, Robbins better be on the phone stat and make the move. I know Oregon doesn't add anything academically but they bring a lot of attention to athletics
Wow, Oregon considering the Big 12? Never would have thought that. We better move quick.
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azcat49 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:14 pm
Wow, Oregon considering the Big 12? Never would have thought that. We better move quick.
You know what is way better? The Big Ten. If the current structure remains in place with the Big 12 exit fee the chances of ever being in the SEC or Big Ten go way down
That's what I keep saying long term needs ro be considered as well
Also Big 12 will always be there for Arizona
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Well Oregon fits into the Big 12 academically very well and they don’t fit in the B1G in that way.
Not sure if you are talking about us but if there is a chance I would be patient for that although that seems like a colossal long shot.
A bit sad the PAC screwed this thing up once again. Kliavkoff had to know CU wanted info to stay and it appears he gave them nothing. Now they walk into riches and we twiddle our thumbs
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azcat49 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:14 pm
Wow, Oregon considering the Big 12? Never would have thought that. We better move quick.
You know what is way better? The Big Ten. If the current structure remains in place with the Big 12 exit fee the chances of ever being in the SEC or Big Ten go way down
That's what I keep saying long term needs ro be considered as well
Also Big 12 will always be there for Arizona
Wait… what? You think that the Big10 would ever sniff Arizona? You are delusional, brother. Arizona can consider the Big10 all we like. The Big10 doesn’t even know Arizona exists when it comes to the cash-cow Football programs across the country. At this point it’s truly Big12, or bust.
azcat49 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:14 pm
Wow, Oregon considering the Big 12? Never would have thought that. We better move quick.
You know what is way better? The Big Ten. If the current structure remains in place with the Big 12 exit fee the chances of ever being in the SEC or Big Ten go way down
That's what I keep saying long term needs ro be considered as well
Also Big 12 will always be there for Arizona
Wait… what? You think that the Big10 would ever sniff Arizona? You are delusional, brother. Arizona can consider the Big10 all we like. The Big10 doesn’t even know Arizona exists when it comes to the cash-cow Football programs across the country. At this point it’s truly Big12, or bust.
Not at all. UA fits in well academic wise plus Arizona is a huge expanding market. Athletic wise as well besides football right now. If it is an all out race between SEC and Big Ten to get to 24 then UA as a reduced rate member would make a ton of sense
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