Conference Realignment

[AzCatFan2]

I can admit the PAC is crumbling, especially with Colorado leaving. And the PAC was always likely to crumble the moment UCLA and USC left. I was just hoping to survive one more contract until 2030 in the hopes that better option than the BIG12 came calling. I still hold out hope that something better will come along, but admit that hope is fading, and fading quickly.

The issue has always been is the BIG12 the best long term option for Arizona? And if we sign a similar GOR with essentially a 3.5 year buyout, we are in the BIG12 long term. Texas and OU got away with a $50 million buyout, but with the extra monies they will be getting from the SEC, they essentially will have a 2-year period before they start getting a ROI. Not a bad investment. So many questions about what the industry will look like in 2030. Will ESPN and FOX be able to pay more for content, or are the current contracts the biggest we'll see? Will ACC teams start leaving in 2030? Will FOX and ESPN have enough to pay for BIG12 content, or will they just double down on their big dogs, the SEC and B1G?

What's clear is the BIG12 will never be a top 2 conference. And between 2025 and 2030, BIG12 teams will likely be getting $20 to $30 million a year less than SEC and B1G teams. After that? It could get worse, and unlikely to significantly improve.

[arizonawildcats]

I'm not worried about the buyout. We'll find the money if an invite to the B1G or SEC ever comes. Let's get off this sinking ship first.

[EastCoastCat]

Yormark shouldn't have to give us a deadline. The Pac was dead as soon as USC and UCLA left. Kliavkoff is never getting a decent media rights deal and adding Mountain West schools is not saving the conference.

This 1000%.

[AzCatFan2]

I'm not worried about the buyout. We'll find the money if an invite to the B1G or SEC ever comes. Let's get off this sinking ship first.

Clemson, FSU, Miami, and North Carolina can't seem to come up with $100 million to buy themselves out of the ACC. But somehow, we'll have $100 million waiting for us if we want to buy ourselves out of the BIG12 in the future?

[arizonawildcats]

I'm not worried about the buyout. We'll find the money if an invite to the B1G or SEC ever comes. Let's get off this sinking ship first.

Clemson, FSU, Miami, and North Carolina can't seem to come up with $100 million to buy themselves out of the ACC. But somehow, we'll have $100 million waiting for us if we want to buy ourselves out of the BIG12 in the future?

Yes, if there are only 3 power conferences by 2030 and we get an invite to the B1G or SEC with huge TV deals, of course we'd find the money to leave.

[PHXCATS]

I'm not worried about the buyout. We'll find the money if an invite to the B1G or SEC ever comes. Let's get off this sinking ship first.

Clemson, FSU, Miami, and North Carolina can't seem to come up with $100 million to buy themselves out of the ACC. But somehow, we'll have $100 million waiting for us if we want to buy ourselves out of the BIG12 in the future?

Texas and Oklahoma needed espn to pay their buyouts. No network is gonna pay 100 million for UA to move

There is no chance UA can afford that buyout

[TucsonCat]

I'm not worried about the buyout. We'll find the money if an invite to the B1G or SEC ever comes. Let's get off this sinking ship first.

Clemson, FSU, Miami, and North Carolina can't seem to come up with $100 million to buy themselves out of the ACC. But somehow, we'll have $100 million waiting for us if we want to buy ourselves out of the BIG12 in the future?

Texas and Oklahoma needed espn to pay their buyouts. No network is gonna pay 100 million for UA to move

There is no chance UA can afford that buyout

It’s moot, because there is no way that UA would ever receive that invitation.

[84Cat]

[Basketcats]

Yormark shouldn't have to give us a deadline. The Pac was dead as soon as USC and UCLA left. Kliavkoff is never getting a decent media rights deal and adding Mountain West schools is not saving the conference.

This 1000%.

Actually, I kind of disagree with this. Yormark should put a date on decision time for Arizona. Arizona has been held hostage long enough by Kliavkoff. Absolutely nothing good has come from waiting all this time and you all know this. The more time passes, the harder (and more costly) it is going to be for Arizona to fill in the extra non-con game they are going to have to schedule if the PAC doesn't expand. If Arizona really wants to stay in the wretched PAC9.5, then there shouldn't be a problem stepping up and saying no thank you to Yormark.

[btfd16]

For my first post in years, get me out of this conference.

[AzCatFan2]

So great, we may be getting off the Titanic just in time. But there's a good chance we've just exchanged our ticket for one on the Lusitania. Given all the coming changes in the TV Sports market, how is joining a conference that will never be better than third being the SEC and B1G a great long-term solution?

[btfd16]

https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/16846 ... 68896?s=20

If true, we need to get on the phone yesterday (idk how to do the big tweet thing)

[84Cat]

https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/16846 ... 68896?s=20

If true, we need to get on the phone yesterday (idk how to do the big tweet thing)

[FreeSpiritCat]

UA has to go now. We can't hesitate. Or we will be part of the MWC 2.0

[btfd16]

UA has to go now. We can't hesitate. Or we will be part of the MWC 2.0

If we don't make moves, we could be stuck in a six Pac.

[PHXCATS]

If we make a move too early we can be in the Big 12 forever instead of the SEC or Big Ten

[btfd16]

Um what? Like football centric SEC or Big Ten? Those guys? Taking us after playing in the Mountain West for 7 years?

[arizonawildcats]

If we make a move too early we can be in the Big 12 forever instead of the SEC or Big Ten

There's no guarantee the B1G or SEC expand enough to invite us. We could be keeping the Pac together only for UW and UO leave for the B1G and have to join the B12 anyway.

[PHXCATS]

If we make a move too early we can be in the Big 12 forever instead of the SEC or Big Ten

There's no guarantee the B1G or SEC expand enough to invite us. We could be keeping the Pac together only for UW and UO leave for the B1G and have to join the B12 anyway.

Exactly. Big 12 will be there later. Do what you can to excel now and into the future

Followers think short term only

Leaders think short and long term. Thank God Robbins is a leader

[OSUCat]

It’s also a big mistake to think Big-12 will keep its doors forever open to Arizona and doesn’t move on to other plans. For example, Oregon, UW, and Utah to Big-12 could close the door.

[PHXCATS]

So you want to be shit forever instead of potentially a little shittier for 6 years then amazing

followers need not apply

[btfd16]

So you want to be shit forever instead of potentially a little shittier for 6 years then amazing

followers need not apply

If we aren't getting a Big Ten/SEC invite where we are at now, you expect to get one once we are, in your words, shittier? Not to mention, more poor.

[arizonawildcats]

If we make a move too early we can be in the Big 12 forever instead of the SEC or Big Ten

There's no guarantee the B1G or SEC expand enough to invite us. We could be keeping the Pac together only for UW and UO leave for the B1G and have to join the B12 anyway.

Exactly. Big 12 will be there later. Do what you can to excel now and into the future

Followers think short term only

Leaders think short and long term. Thank God Robbins is a leader

No, we would be taking a hit now and assuming a lucrative offer will come from a greatly expanded B1G or SEC. There's no guarantee a huge media rights deal is coming to facilitate that hypothetical expansion. We can't afford to play this waiting game knowing we're at best second-tier in the pecking order for B1G and SEC invites.

[PHXCATS]

Big 12 will expand again. The ACC will expand again if there are 4 conference. The SEC will expand again. The Big Ten will expand again.

The door is not closing forever after tonight to the Big 12

[Basketcats]

If we make a move too early we can be in the Big 12 forever instead of the SEC or Big Ten

This is a joke right? You seriously think the SEC and/or B1G are going to ever extend an invitation to Arizona? What delusional daydream do you live in? Arizona is not and will more than likely never be extended an invite by either of those conferences. Arizona is a fly speck on the table of CFB in their eyes. They see Arizona as a basketball school who wants to be relevant in CFB but doesn't have the fanbase to do so. They see Arizona as the southwest version of Gonzaga and that is not enough to get them to bite on extending a member invitation.

[dmjcat]

[84Cat]

The whole thread is worth reading although this guy mostly talks out of his ass

[btfd16]

Thank God we have a leader.

[btfd16]

The whole thread is worth reading although this guy mostly talks out of his ass

Taking every post with a massive grain of salt, but at this point I just need to feel something

[BBQ wildcat]

PLEASE!!!!!! Let this be true. I would much rather be stuck forever in the #3 conference than be stuck forever in the #5 conference.

[dmjcat]

The whole thread is worth reading although this guy mostly talks out of his ass

You may very well be correct but this guy did call UCLA/USC to the B1G months before anyone else.......perhaps he was just lucky

[TucsonCat]

Stop responding to PHXCATS. He’s freaking delusional. His ability to reason is so clouded by his red and blue colored glasses that he thinks a conference with Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, LSU, etc., (not to mention Michigan, Ohio St., USC, Penn St., etc.) will eventually come and ask Arizona if they would like to come outside and play. His reasoning that a partial share would benefit Arizona is ridiculous. A partial share would simply mean that we would be treading water, at best, with no hope of ever catching the top dogs in those conferences. You know they are eventually going to go to a pay for performance model, which means our program is shot, because we will always get a lesser share, even if we are within the same conference. Think about it for a second. Why the hell would a super conference invite in a program and pay them more than they are able to return on the investment. Hint (for all the super geniuses out there), they wouldn’t! As an athletic conference, UA is middle of the road (at best), without the benefit of being in a major media market. We are an awesome Basketball school, with a well below average football program, and are decent in a free non-revenue generating sports. In other words, we are a dime a dozen program, that can easily be shuffled off to a mid major conference, without any of the other conferences losing a minute of sleep over our self-inflicted demise. But yeah, let’s listen to what a delusional fan like PHXCATS believes is best for our program. Stop responding to him, and maybe he’ll go away. Then again, he may be a virus that once caught is fatal… just like his ideas for the future of our beloved Arizona Wildcats.

[dmjcat]

Stop responding to PHXCATS. He’s freaking delusional. His ability to reason is so clouded by his red and blue colored glasses that he thinks a conference with Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, LSU, etc., (not to mention Michigan, Ohio St., USC, Penn St., etc.) will eventually come and ask Arizona if they would like to come outside and play. His reasoning that a partial share would benefit Arizona is ridiculous. A partial share would simply mean that we would be treading water, at best, with no hope of ever catching the top dogs in those conferences. You know they are eventually going to go to a pay for performance model, which means our program is shot, because we will always get a lesser share, even if we are within the same conference. Think about it for a second. Why the hell would a super conference invite in a program and pay them more than they are able to return on the investment. Hint (for all the super geniuses out there), they wouldn’t! As an athletic conference, UA is middle of the road (at best), without the benefit of being in a major media market. We are an awesome Basketball school, with a well below average football program, and are decent in a free non-revenue generating sports. In other words, we are a dime a dozen program, that can easily be shuffled off to a mid major conference, without any of the other conferences losing a minute of sleep over our self-inflicted demise. But yeah, let’s listen to what a delusional fan like PHXCATS believes is best for our program. Stop responding to him, and maybe he’ll go away. Then again, he may be a virus that once caught is fatal… just like his ideas for the future of our beloved Arizona Wildcats.

You are, of course, absolutely correct.

No conference with a $100 M/yr payout is going to chase after a school with a $30M/yr media value.

Its really very simple. The odds of the SEC or B1G taking AZ in are extremely small. The odds of the UA ending up in a MWC type conference if we sit still and do nothing are about 1000000x the odds of getting into the B1G or SEC. The Risk/Reward analysis says join the B12 as fast as possible

[AzCatFan2]

Nobody knows the future. But a conference with a $100 million payout is likely unlikely in the near future. The B1G has the largest at $60 million now. And the future of TV channels like ESPN and FS1 is cloudy at best.

It is possible that 16-team conferences are untenable, especially with the travel schedule. USC and UCLA are now in the same conference as Rutgers. Football might not travel that far that often, but what about softball or baseball? Teams usually work in a Tuesday game when they travel for a conference weekend. What does the travel schedule look like with this game added?

It's also possible that the SEC and B1G decide to expand to 24 the next round. That leaves 16 more schools who get a ticket punched to the top 2. Arizona is near the cut-line in my opinion of top 16 teams not in the B1G or SEC right now. If we have a $100 million buyout from the BIG12, this would all but put us on the outside looking in. If this happens, there will be little difference between who is the 3rd best conference and who is the 5th best conference.

[dmjcat]

Nobody knows the future. But a conference with a $100 million payout is likely unlikely in the near future. The B1G has the largest at $60 million now. And the future of TV channels like ESPN and FS1 is cloudy at best.

It is possible that 16-team conferences are untenable, especially with the travel schedule. USC and UCLA are now in the same conference as Rutgers. Football might not travel that far that often, but what about softball or baseball? Teams usually work in a Tuesday game when they travel for a conference weekend. What does the travel schedule look like with this game added?

It's also possible that the SEC and B1G decide to expand to 24 the next round. That leaves 16 more schools who get a ticket punched to the top 2. Arizona is near the cut-line in my opinion of top 16 teams not in the B1G or SEC right now. If we have a $100 million buyout from the BIG12, this would all but put us on the outside looking in. If this happens, there will be little difference between who is the 3rd best conference and who is the 5th best conference.

My God, you are as delusional as PHXCATS.

Do you understand that the the UA's media value is a fraction of what the SEC/B1G are paying out???

Are you naive enough to believe that the other members of the B1G or SEC are all going to take a pay cut to let the UA in???

[AzCatFan2]

Nobody knows the future. But a conference with a $100 million payout is likely unlikely in the near future. The B1G has the largest at $60 million now. And the future of TV channels like ESPN and FS1 is cloudy at best.

It is possible that 16-team conferences are untenable, especially with the travel schedule. USC and UCLA are now in the same conference as Rutgers. Football might not travel that far that often, but what about softball or baseball? Teams usually work in a Tuesday game when they travel for a conference weekend. What does the travel schedule look like with this game added?

It's also possible that the SEC and B1G decide to expand to 24 the next round. That leaves 16 more schools who get a ticket punched to the top 2. Arizona is near the cut-line in my opinion of top 16 teams not in the B1G or SEC right now. If we have a $100 million buyout from the BIG12, this would all but put us on the outside looking in. If this happens, there will be little difference between who is the 3rd best conference and who is the 5th best conference.

My God, you are as delusional as PHXCATS.

Do you understand that the the UA's media value is a fraction of what the SEC/B1G are paying out???

Are you naive enough to believe that the other members of the B1G or SEC are all going to take a pay cut to let the UA in???

Show me your crystal ball that accurately predicts the future, please?!?

We know the networks like ESPN and FOX are the ones who really pull the strings. What we don't know is how these entities will look circa 2030. It's unlikely they will look like they do today, as more people cut cords, rumors are Disney is looking to sell whole or part of ESPN, and ESPN will likely go full streaming sooner rather than later. Is it not possible that FOX/ESPN dictates to the conferences that they want to consolidate? Go all-in on one big dog conference with 24 teams, versus trying to pay multiple deals with multiple conferences?

Again, show me your crystal ball where this 100%, is not the future of college sports, please. Because I believe it is a distinct possibility. And in this case, yes, one of these conferences may pay a team like Arizona $60 million, because they would be cutting ties with conferences like the BIG12 and whatever is leftover from the ACC. Which would mean anyone who is not in the top 2 conference is on the outside looking in. It's Coke, Pepsi, and a bunch of sodas that all fight for a minute amount of shelf space that nobody really cares about, because they are infinitesimally small.

Like I said before. There's a chance getting off the PAC to go to the BIG12 is leaving the Titanic only to get a ticket on the Lusitania.

[dmjcat]

Nobody knows the future. But a conference with a $100 million payout is likely unlikely in the near future. The B1G has the largest at $60 million now. And the future of TV channels like ESPN and FS1 is cloudy at best.

It is possible that 16-team conferences are untenable, especially with the travel schedule. USC and UCLA are now in the same conference as Rutgers. Football might not travel that far that often, but what about softball or baseball? Teams usually work in a Tuesday game when they travel for a conference weekend. What does the travel schedule look like with this game added?

It's also possible that the SEC and B1G decide to expand to 24 the next round. That leaves 16 more schools who get a ticket punched to the top 2. Arizona is near the cut-line in my opinion of top 16 teams not in the B1G or SEC right now. If we have a $100 million buyout from the BIG12, this would all but put us on the outside looking in. If this happens, there will be little difference between who is the 3rd best conference and who is the 5th best conference.

My God, you are as delusional as PHXCATS.

Do you understand that the the UA's media value is a fraction of what the SEC/B1G are paying out???

Are you naive enough to believe that the other members of the B1G or SEC are all going to take a pay cut to let the UA in???

Show me your crystal ball that accurately predicts the future, please?!?

We know the networks like ESPN and FOX are the ones who really pull the strings. What we don't know is how these entities will look circa 2030. It's unlikely they will look like they do today, as more people cut cords, rumors are Disney is looking to sell whole or part of ESPN, and ESPN will likely go full streaming sooner rather than later. Is it not possible that FOX/ESPN dictates to the conferences that they want to consolidate? Go all-in on one big dog conference with 24 teams, versus trying to pay multiple deals with multiple conferences?

Again, show me your crystal ball where this 100%, is not the future of college sports, please. Because I believe it is a distinct possibility. And in this case, yes, one of these conferences may pay a team like Arizona $60 million, because they would be cutting ties with conferences like the BIG12 and whatever is leftover from the ACC. Which would mean anyone who is not in the top 2 conference is on the outside looking in. It's Coke, Pepsi, and a bunch of sodas that all fight for a minute amount of shelf space that nobody really cares about, because they are infinitesimally small.

Like I said before. There's a chance getting off the PAC to go to the BIG12 is leaving the Titanic only to get a ticket on the Lusitania.

Your argument/word salad is so illogical its hard to know where to start.

1) What the future of ESPN/Disney looks like is irrelevant. The UA will still have a much lower media value than what the existing
schools in the B1G/SEC have. NOBODY is going to take a pay cut to admit the UA to one of those conferences...........PERIOD

2) I will ask you again...Do you understand that the UA has a much lower media value than what the SEC/B1G are paying out??

3) Do you understand that the other members of the SEC/B1G would need to take a pay cut to admit the UA??

Using your logic (?) the UA should stay on the Titanic because we have a chance to get a seat on the Challenger

[PHXCATS]

Nobody knows the future. But a conference with a $100 million payout is likely unlikely in the near future. The B1G has the largest at $60 million now. And the future of TV channels like ESPN and FS1 is cloudy at best.

It is possible that 16-team conferences are untenable, especially with the travel schedule. USC and UCLA are now in the same conference as Rutgers. Football might not travel that far that often, but what about softball or baseball? Teams usually work in a Tuesday game when they travel for a conference weekend. What does the travel schedule look like with this game added?

It's also possible that the SEC and B1G decide to expand to 24 the next round. That leaves 16 more schools who get a ticket punched to the top 2. Arizona is near the cut-line in my opinion of top 16 teams not in the B1G or SEC right now. If we have a $100 million buyout from the BIG12, this would all but put us on the outside looking in. If this happens, there will be little difference between who is the 3rd best conference and who is the 5th best conference.

My God, you are as delusional as PHXCATS.

Do you understand that the the UA's media value is a fraction of what the SEC/B1G are paying out???

Are you naive enough to believe that the other members of the B1G or SEC are all going to take a pay cut to let the UA in???

Who said that U of A would get a full share? I never did. I think when the expansion comes the schools after the current ones will take a fraction for a long time if forever

[dmjcat]

Nobody knows the future. But a conference with a $100 million payout is likely unlikely in the near future. The B1G has the largest at $60 million now. And the future of TV channels like ESPN and FS1 is cloudy at best.

It is possible that 16-team conferences are untenable, especially with the travel schedule. USC and UCLA are now in the same conference as Rutgers. Football might not travel that far that often, but what about softball or baseball? Teams usually work in a Tuesday game when they travel for a conference weekend. What does the travel schedule look like with this game added?

It's also possible that the SEC and B1G decide to expand to 24 the next round. That leaves 16 more schools who get a ticket punched to the top 2. Arizona is near the cut-line in my opinion of top 16 teams not in the B1G or SEC right now. If we have a $100 million buyout from the BIG12, this would all but put us on the outside looking in. If this happens, there will be little difference between who is the 3rd best conference and who is the 5th best conference.

My God, you are as delusional as PHXCATS.

Do you understand that the the UA's media value is a fraction of what the SEC/B1G are paying out???

Are you naive enough to believe that the other members of the B1G or SEC are all going to take a pay cut to let the UA in???

Who said that U of A would get a full share? I never did. I think when the expansion comes the schools after the current ones will take a fraction for a long time if forever

This argument is also lunacy.

The UA would not survive in the SEC/B1G on a partial payout. Every other school would have better coaches/more recruiting funds/better NIL/better facilities. This would make the UA a perennial bottom feeder getting our brains beat out every year in every sport. It would be better to be a big fish in the MWC vs that scenario.

Try again......harder this time

[PHXCATS]

They would have more than double now. UA still beats the Big Ten in basketball

That is not an issue in any way what so ever

[AzCatFan2]

Nobody knows the future. But a conference with a $100 million payout is likely unlikely in the near future. The B1G has the largest at $60 million now. And the future of TV channels like ESPN and FS1 is cloudy at best.

It is possible that 16-team conferences are untenable, especially with the travel schedule. USC and UCLA are now in the same conference as Rutgers. Football might not travel that far that often, but what about softball or baseball? Teams usually work in a Tuesday game when they travel for a conference weekend. What does the travel schedule look like with this game added?

It's also possible that the SEC and B1G decide to expand to 24 the next round. That leaves 16 more schools who get a ticket punched to the top 2. Arizona is near the cut-line in my opinion of top 16 teams not in the B1G or SEC right now. If we have a $100 million buyout from the BIG12, this would all but put us on the outside looking in. If this happens, there will be little difference between who is the 3rd best conference and who is the 5th best conference.

My God, you are as delusional as PHXCATS.

Do you understand that the the UA's media value is a fraction of what the SEC/B1G are paying out???

Are you naive enough to believe that the other members of the B1G or SEC are all going to take a pay cut to let the UA in???

Show me your crystal ball that accurately predicts the future, please?!?

We know the networks like ESPN and FOX are the ones who really pull the strings. What we don't know is how these entities will look circa 2030. It's unlikely they will look like they do today, as more people cut cords, rumors are Disney is looking to sell whole or part of ESPN, and ESPN will likely go full streaming sooner rather than later. Is it not possible that FOX/ESPN dictates to the conferences that they want to consolidate? Go all-in on one big dog conference with 24 teams, versus trying to pay multiple deals with multiple conferences?

Again, show me your crystal ball where this 100%, is not the future of college sports, please. Because I believe it is a distinct possibility. And in this case, yes, one of these conferences may pay a team like Arizona $60 million, because they would be cutting ties with conferences like the BIG12 and whatever is leftover from the ACC. Which would mean anyone who is not in the top 2 conference is on the outside looking in. It's Coke, Pepsi, and a bunch of sodas that all fight for a minute amount of shelf space that nobody really cares about, because they are infinitesimally small.

Like I said before. There's a chance getting off the PAC to go to the BIG12 is leaving the Titanic only to get a ticket on the Lusitania.

Your argument/word salad is so illogical its hard to know where to start.

1) What the future of ESPN/Disney looks like is irrelevant. The UA will still have a much lower media value than what the existing
schools in the B1G/SEC have. NOBODY is going to take a pay cut to admit the UA to one of those conferences...........PERIOD

2) I will ask you again...Do you understand that the UA has a much lower media value than what the SEC/B1G are paying out??

3) Do you understand that the other members of the SEC/B1G would need to take a pay cut to admit the UA??

Using your logic (?) the UA should stay on the Titanic because we have a chance to get a seat on the Challenger

Sorry if my intellect is too much for you.

1. The future of ESPN and Disney is 100% relevant. They are paying the bills. What happens to all the monies college sports are making if the mouse runs out of cash and the well runs dry?

2. Yes, I understand we have less value then what the B1G and SEC are paying out. But ESPN and FOX are both consolidating and backing just one conference each, that means the BIG12 is out. That saves the ESPN and FOX money. But a 16-team conference is likely not enough content. So you expand to 24. What 16 college teams out there are more valuable than Arizona not already in the SEC or B1G? Like I said before, we're close to the cut-line. If we owe the BIG12 $100 million, that means we're likely out.

3. Not true. Because again, FOX and ESPN will be consolidating. They won't be paying the BIG12 or the ACC any more money. They would reinvest this money into expanding the B1G and SEC respectively. 14 ACC teams at $20 million each, plus now 13 BIG12 teams at $31 million each is a lot of money ESPN and FOX could reinvest by adding more teams to the SEC and B1G.

There's also the chance that the top schools in the ACC and PAC merge and create a third best conference that isn't at the level at the top 2, but competitive enough, and clearly better than the BIG12.

But, by my logic, we go BIG12 now, that's our endgame. We have no other options after that. At least without coming up with a $100 million buy out.

Logically, if FOX and ESPN does consolidate and each only backs one mega-conference, where does that leave the BIG12 when it comes to channel(s) it might be broadcast on? Likely the same choices the PAC is looking at today!

[Alieberman]

Just because the PAC 12 has lost 25% of its members does not mean it’s a dying league.

[dmjcat]

They would have more than double now. UA still beats the Big Ten in basketball

That is not an issue in any way what so ever

Wrong Einstein.........the UA is NOT going to get "Double what we get now". We are going to get no more than our current media value, PERIOD

[PHXCATS]

They would have more than double now. UA still beats the Big Ten in basketball

That is not an issue in any way what so ever

Wrong Einstein.........the UA is NOT going to get "Double what we get now". We are going to get no more than our current media value, PERIOD

Half a big ten share is double what UA gets now and is double what the Big 12 will give

[arizonawildcats]

LOL Kliavkoff could get beat out for MW schools.

[dmjcat]

Nobody knows the future. But a conference with a $100 million payout is likely unlikely in the near future. The B1G has the largest at $60 million now. And the future of TV channels like ESPN and FS1 is cloudy at best.

It is possible that 16-team conferences are untenable, especially with the travel schedule. USC and UCLA are now in the same conference as Rutgers. Football might not travel that far that often, but what about softball or baseball? Teams usually work in a Tuesday game when they travel for a conference weekend. What does the travel schedule look like with this game added?

It's also possible that the SEC and B1G decide to expand to 24 the next round. That leaves 16 more schools who get a ticket punched to the top 2. Arizona is near the cut-line in my opinion of top 16 teams not in the B1G or SEC right now. If we have a $100 million buyout from the BIG12, this would all but put us on the outside looking in. If this happens, there will be little difference between who is the 3rd best conference and who is the 5th best conference.

My God, you are as delusional as PHXCATS.

Do you understand that the the UA's media value is a fraction of what the SEC/B1G are paying out???

Are you naive enough to believe that the other members of the B1G or SEC are all going to take a pay cut to let the UA in???

Show me your crystal ball that accurately predicts the future, please?!?

We know the networks like ESPN and FOX are the ones who really pull the strings. What we don't know is how these entities will look circa 2030. It's unlikely they will look like they do today, as more people cut cords, rumors are Disney is looking to sell whole or part of ESPN, and ESPN will likely go full streaming sooner rather than later. Is it not possible that FOX/ESPN dictates to the conferences that they want to consolidate? Go all-in on one big dog conference with 24 teams, versus trying to pay multiple deals with multiple conferences?

Again, show me your crystal ball where this 100%, is not the future of college sports, please. Because I believe it is a distinct possibility. And in this case, yes, one of these conferences may pay a team like Arizona $60 million, because they would be cutting ties with conferences like the BIG12 and whatever is leftover from the ACC. Which would mean anyone who is not in the top 2 conference is on the outside looking in. It's Coke, Pepsi, and a bunch of sodas that all fight for a minute amount of shelf space that nobody really cares about, because they are infinitesimally small.

Like I said before. There's a chance getting off the PAC to go to the BIG12 is leaving the Titanic only to get a ticket on the Lusitania.

Your argument/word salad is so illogical its hard to know where to start.

1) What the future of ESPN/Disney looks like is irrelevant. The UA will still have a much lower media value than what the existing
schools in the B1G/SEC have. NOBODY is going to take a pay cut to admit the UA to one of those conferences...........PERIOD

2) I will ask you again...Do you understand that the UA has a much lower media value than what the SEC/B1G are paying out??

3) Do you understand that the other members of the SEC/B1G would need to take a pay cut to admit the UA??

Using your logic (?) the UA should stay on the Titanic because we have a chance to get a seat on the Challenger

Sorry if my intellect is too much for you.

1. The future of ESPN and Disney is 100% relevant. They are paying the bills. What happens to all the monies college sports are making if the mouse runs out of cash and the well runs dry?

2. Yes, I understand we have less value then what the B1G and SEC are paying out. But ESPN and FOX are both consolidating and backing just one conference each, that means the BIG12 is out. That saves the ESPN and FOX money. But a 16-team conference is likely not enough content. So you expand to 24. What 16 college teams out there are more valuable than Arizona not already in the SEC or B1G? Like I said before, we're close to the cut-line. If we owe the BIG12 $100 million, that means we're likely out.

3. Not true. Because again, FOX and ESPN will be consolidating. They won't be paying the BIG12 or the ACC any more money. They would reinvest this money into expanding the B1G and SEC respectively. 14 ACC teams at $20 million each, plus now 13 BIG12 teams at $31 million each is a lot of money ESPN and FOX could reinvest by adding more teams to the SEC and B1G.

There's also the chance that the top schools in the ACC and PAC merge and create a third best conference that isn't at the level at the top 2, but competitive enough, and clearly better than the BIG12.

But, by my logic, we go BIG12 now, that's our endgame. We have no other options after that. At least without coming up with a $100 million buy out.

Logically, if FOX and ESPN does consolidate and each only backs one mega-conference, where does that leave the BIG12 when it comes to channel(s) it might be broadcast on? Likely the same choices the PAC is looking at today!

1. The future of ESPN and Disney is 100% relevant. They are paying the bills. What happens to all the monies college sports are making if the mouse runs out of cash and the well runs dry? It means only the schools with the highest media value will get whatever monies are left....and that will not be the UA

2. Yes, I understand we have less value then what the B1G and SEC are paying out. But ESPN and FOX are both consolidating and backing just one conference each, that means the BIG12 is out. That saves the ESPN and FOX money. But a 16-team conference is likely not enough content. So you expand to 24. What 16 college teams out there are more valuable than Arizona not already in the SEC or B1G? Like I said before, we're close to the cut-line. If we owe the BIG12 $100 million, that means we're likely out. Again, this is irrelevant. We will still have less media value than the other schools......they will NOT take a pay cut to let us in

3. Not true. Because again, FOX and ESPN will be consolidating. They won't be paying the BIG12 or the ACC any more money. They would reinvest this money into expanding the B1G and SEC respectively. 14 ACC teams at $20 million each, plus now 13 BIG12 teams at $31 million each is a lot of money ESPN and FOX could reinvest by adding more teams to the SEC and B1G. Totally illogical, again. The B1G and SEC are NOT going to expand just to lose money by paying the UA more than it is worth.

There's also the chance that the top schools in the ACC and PAC merge and create a third best conference that isn't at the level at the top 2, but competitive enough, and clearly better than the BIG12. There is also the chance that you might come to your senses and realize that you have been wrong all along.......but I'm not holding my breath.

But, by my logic, we go BIG12 now, that's our endgame. We have no other options after that. At least without coming up with a $100 million buy out. You keep shreaking about a $100M buyout........that can be negotiated

Logically, if FOX and ESPN does consolidate and each only backs one mega-conference, where does that leave the BIG12 when it comes to channel(s) it might be broadcast on? Likely the same choices the PAC is looking at today! It STILL leaves the B12 in a better position than the PAC6 or MWC12 or whatever conference we would wind up in if we follow your convoluted logic

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They would have more than double now. UA still beats the Big Ten in basketball

That is not an issue in any way what so ever

Wrong Einstein.........the UA is NOT going to get "Double what we get now". We are going to get no more than our current media value, PERIOD

Half a big ten share is double what UA gets now and is double what the Big 12 will give

You obviously flunked elementary school math. Half of a B1G share is MORE than our current media value. The B1G is NOT going to take a pay cut to admit us......are you that dense????

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[dmjcat]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... onference/

"After careful thought and consideration, it was determined that a switch in conference would give CU Boulder the stability, resources, and exposure necessary for long-term future success in a college athletics environment that is constantly evolving," said Colorado chancellor Philip DiStefano and athletic director Rick George in a joint statement.

"The Big 12's national reach across three time zones as well as our shared creative vision for the future we feel makes it an excellent fit for CU Boulder, our students, faculty, and alumni. These decisions are never easy and we've valued our 12 years as proud members of the Pac-12 Conference. We look forward to achieving new goals while embarking on this exciting next era as members of the Big 12 Conference."

Evidently the Colorado Brain Trust is not as smart as PHXCATS and AZCATFAN2

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Yormack is feeling himself right now. Rightfully so.