Re: Coach Rod
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:49 pm
So RR is not saying he is staying, and Byrne doesn't say he is staying.
Easy to read too much into things like this, but I suspect that the odds on RR staying would be dropping in Vegas now after reading that email.Merkin wrote:So RR is not saying he is staying, and Byrne doesn't say he is staying.
Agree. I was dubious about the rumors...but now I think it's a very big chance he gone. And Byrne is a guy that won't be snoozing about a replacement. He had the RR hire lined up a month before it was announced.Chicat wrote:I'm definitely feeling less confident that he's staying. Not sure that was Byrne's intention, but I'm guessing he had to do some serious parsing of his language.
If he is gone, Byrne already has his replacement candidates lined up. None of this Livengood bullshit where you talk to one guy and don't bother to follow up until you hear on Sportscenter that some other school hired him.
He's sooooooo gone.scumdevils86 wrote:Quote from Byrne's email today
In addition, you’ve likely heard Coach Rodriguez’s name mentioned with some of the coaching vacancies around the country. It’s a great reflection on our program and Coach Rodriguez, and he knows that we want him to be our coach. Meanwhile, it’s important that we stay focused on the remainder of this season, which starts by going up to Los Angeles and playing well against USC.
Pretty good description of the UofA football 2015 campaign to date.Chicat wrote:Football is Byrne's baby. He's not going to sit idly by while it chokes on it's own vomit.
Probably wouldn't be for 20+ daysAZarchery wrote:I was really skeptical about rr leaving, but that email is super fishy. When will we know if he actually is leaving?
Let's take it easy now...CalStateTempe wrote:Come to think about it, I'm willing to bet that email from GB is more for the team than anything.
The Team is feeling beaten down, now the RR rumors. Its crafted to hopefully stave off any quit, which I wouldn't blame the kids if they did.
Run that hillbilly out of town.
That's the kinda stuff I'm talking about, people on here are going crazy. Sarcasm or not, plenty of people actually feel that way which is fuckin crazy.Chicat wrote:Let's take it easy now...CalStateTempe wrote:Come to think about it, I'm willing to bet that email from GB is more for the team than anything.
The Team is feeling beaten down, now the RR rumors. Its crafted to hopefully stave off any quit, which I wouldn't blame the kids if they did.
Run that hillbilly out of town.
You sound very certain of this.CalStateTempe wrote:He's sooooooo gone.scumdevils86 wrote:Quote from Byrne's email today
In addition, you’ve likely heard Coach Rodriguez’s name mentioned with some of the coaching vacancies around the country. It’s a great reflection on our program and Coach Rodriguez, and he knows that we want him to be our coach. Meanwhile, it’s important that we stay focused on the remainder of this season, which starts by going up to Los Angeles and playing well against USC.
At a minimum, RR has asked for permission to interview, at a most, he's signed something and did it behind GB's back.
When there eventually is a 'next guy', if he says that upon introduction, it will really turn me off unless is is someone with past roots and connections in the community. To make that statement upon arriving in Tucson for the first time, and (as far as I know) never having lived west of Louisiana, was disingenuous at best. As I have stated before... Don't make promises you are not sure you can keep, and do not answer questions that are not asked. (My experience says that people who do the latter are lying damn near 100% of the time).Gladiator Cat wrote:Rich Rod will not retire from coaching college football as the head coach of the Arizona Wildcats.
It is very unlikely that RR will let one of the 6-8 east coast opening's be filled without his name being on the dotted-line of one of them.
It may be this year or it may be next year, but the guy is as good as gone when the right position comes open.
Start whittling down your personal list of your top five replacements that are realistic and when the next guy steps to the podium and tells GB and the welcoming crowd/boosters this is his final stop you can have a great laugh, roll your eyes and then go on about your day.
That is not happening anytime soon. Clemson is notorious for defining their program by the NC they won 35 years ago. And most folks have laughed at them for it ever since.azcat49 wrote:I would say if he passes on VaTech, SC or Miami I could see him staying awhile. Unless Clemson came calling
Quite a bit.Chicat wrote:CST, how often now have you had to walk back over-emotional name-calling late night posts? Maybe take up yoga or smoking weed.
After reading and over-analyzing this further, it sure reads to me like he is gone. Or at a minimum wants to be.scumdevils86 wrote:Quote from Byrne's email today
In addition, you’ve likely heard Coach Rodriguez’s name mentioned with some of the coaching vacancies around the country. It’s a great reflection on our program and Coach Rodriguez, and he knows that we want him to be our coach. Meanwhile, it’s important that we stay focused on the remainder of this season, which starts by going up to Los Angeles and playing well against USC.
Gladiator Cat wrote:Harvey,
In all honesty I'm not even judging RR's desire to leave. Honestly I don't care. Someone else will get hired and life will go on.
If moving back east is RR calling, which it is, then go for it. Not for one second have I ever believed on any level any disingenuous BS coach speak about retiring in Tucson and this is my final stop from the first day to today.
The only person that I have ever remotely seen that would fit that bill was Dick Tomey. If coach Tomey was not fired he would probably still be here. The guy just loved Tucson and the school to his core.
Seriously I'm not even that smart, hell I might even be classified as dumb and I can identify silly ass shallow coach and AD speak when I hear it.
Honestly when people here get mad because coach RR may have not been truthful about retiring here. Seriously, are ******* people that shallow.
Apparently. If RR wants to go........good riddance. Give me the next young gun up in here and lets see what he can do.
We have had our differences DC, but that is an outstanding post.dc4azcats wrote:Call me crazy but I think the son is still the wild card in all of this. As I'm guessing that he's not to excited about going into the unknown for his senior year of HS. If he was just a regular student it would still be very difficult but, the fact that he's the starting QB for the last 3 years and no doubt has made some good friends is not easy at all. I can promise you that in that situation, the kid could care less how much more money is involved for his parents.
RR can tell his son that it will be okay and he will find the right school etc but both know that he really can't promise anything. As a parent, the last thing you would want to have on your mind is you moved and your son ended up hating his senior year of HS so you could make a an extra million dollars. As we all know, you don't get a do over on your senior year of HS. If he wasn't in HS anymore then I think it's a much easier decision.
One of the things RR said when he was hired was how supportive his daughter was when he moved here and he thought it was going to be much more difficult. She wasn't an athlete but no doubt had friends that she wasn't keen on leaving. But she still had 2 years of HS left when they made the move.
Is Rhett going to be welcomed at a HS in Blacksburg like he is at Cat Foothills? Do they already have a QB or is it going to be a competition and will there be issues if he wins the QB job over somebody that his teammates like more? That stuff is real and especially when he knows that he's the starting QB next year at Cat Foothills without question. You're asking your kid to forget about what he knows to be a sure thing in his senior year of HS and accept the unknown even though neither the kid or the parent knows what that means at this point.
I honestly thinks it says a lot about RR and his wife if they leave and screw the kid out of what should be a dream year for him at Cat Foothills. I don't think RR is leaving as I think his kids situation is a pretty big trump card. RR will no doubt play it out though and get a raise out of it for sure.
You are assuming RR's kid would have to move with him. RR has the means, why not just get him his own apartment for his senior year of HS. I knew plenty of kids in HS whose parents got them an apartment or they lived with friends for their senior years.dc4azcats wrote:Call me crazy but I think the son is still the wild card in all of this. As I'm guessing that he's not to excited about going into the unknown for his senior year of HS. If he was just a regular student it would still be very difficult but, the fact that he's the starting QB for the last 3 years and no doubt has made some good friends is not easy at all. I can promise you that in that situation, the kid could care less how much more money is involved for his parents.
RR can tell his son that it will be okay and he will find the right school etc but both know that he really can't promise anything. As a parent, the last thing you would want to have on your mind is you moved and your son ended up hating his senior year of HS so you could make a an extra million dollars. As we all know, you don't get a do over on your senior year of HS. If he wasn't in HS anymore then I think it's a much easier decision.
One of the things RR said when he was hired was how supportive his daughter was when he moved here and he thought it was going to be much more difficult. She wasn't an athlete but no doubt had friends that she wasn't keen on leaving. But she still had 2 years of HS left when they made the move.
Is Rhett going to be welcomed at a HS in Blacksburg like he is at Cat Foothills? Do they already have a QB or is it going to be a competition and will there be issues if he wins the QB job over somebody that his teammates like more? That stuff is real and especially when he knows that he's the starting QB next year at Cat Foothills without question. You're asking your kid to forget about what he knows to be a sure thing in his senior year of HS and accept the unknown even though neither the kid or the parent knows what that means at this point.
I honestly thinks it says a lot about RR and his wife if they leave and screw the kid out of what should be a dream year for him at Cat Foothills. I don't think RR is leaving as I think his kids situation is a pretty big trump card. RR will no doubt play it out though and get a raise out of it for sure.
Thanks and there's plenty of folks on here that I don't agree with all the time.Harvey Specter wrote:We have had our differences DC, but that is an outstanding post.dc4azcats wrote:Call me crazy but I think the son is still the wild card in all of this. As I'm guessing that he's not to excited about going into the unknown for his senior year of HS. If he was just a regular student it would still be very difficult but, the fact that he's the starting QB for the last 3 years and no doubt has made some good friends is not easy at all. I can promise you that in that situation, the kid could care less how much more money is involved for his parents.
RR can tell his son that it will be okay and he will find the right school etc but both know that he really can't promise anything. As a parent, the last thing you would want to have on your mind is you moved and your son ended up hating his senior year of HS so you could make a an extra million dollars. As we all know, you don't get a do over on your senior year of HS. If he wasn't in HS anymore then I think it's a much easier decision.
One of the things RR said when he was hired was how supportive his daughter was when he moved here and he thought it was going to be much more difficult. She wasn't an athlete but no doubt had friends that she wasn't keen on leaving. But she still had 2 years of HS left when they made the move.
Is Rhett going to be welcomed at a HS in Blacksburg like he is at Cat Foothills? Do they already have a QB or is it going to be a competition and will there be issues if he wins the QB job over somebody that his teammates like more? That stuff is real and especially when he knows that he's the starting QB next year at Cat Foothills without question. You're asking your kid to forget about what he knows to be a sure thing in his senior year of HS and accept the unknown even though neither the kid or the parent knows what that means at this point.
I honestly thinks it says a lot about RR and his wife if they leave and screw the kid out of what should be a dream year for him at Cat Foothills. I don't think RR is leaving as I think his kids situation is a pretty big trump card. RR will no doubt play it out though and get a raise out of it for sure.
2 comments:
1) Your commentary above is dead-nuts on from my perspective. That said, how you and I may view the world is not the same way that many high-profile celebrity types do. This is not an indictment of RR AT ALL (if it as I would represent it as such), but more an observation of other individuals that I DO know who have achieved similar levels of notoriety and career achievement on a grand stage. In most cases, despite the rhetoric, career aspirations trump all else; it is largely how they got to where they are in the first place. I hope this is not RR, and it might not be.
2) I want him to stay, but if he tries to leverage this into a raise - I hope Byrne cordially (but firmly) lets him know that is not in the cards - on principle alone. Relative to his peers (especially in conference), he is paid quite adequately IMO. And he will get a nice fat chunk of change (retention bonus) for suffering through at least one more season in Tucson so that his son can graduate from HS with his closest friends.
No chance, that's not how his family works. Not to mention that RR would miss every one of his games and RR loves having his son around at UA games. Lastly, he's mentoring his son to be a college QB and hard to do that when you're 2000 miles away.Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:You are assuming RR's kid would have to move with him. RR has the means, why not just get him his own apartment for his senior year of HS. I knew plenty of kids in HS whose parents got them an apartment or they lived with friends for their senior years.dc4azcats wrote:Call me crazy but I think the son is still the wild card in all of this. As I'm guessing that he's not to excited about going into the unknown for his senior year of HS. If he was just a regular student it would still be very difficult but, the fact that he's the starting QB for the last 3 years and no doubt has made some good friends is not easy at all. I can promise you that in that situation, the kid could care less how much more money is involved for his parents.
RR can tell his son that it will be okay and he will find the right school etc but both know that he really can't promise anything. As a parent, the last thing you would want to have on your mind is you moved and your son ended up hating his senior year of HS so you could make a an extra million dollars. As we all know, you don't get a do over on your senior year of HS. If he wasn't in HS anymore then I think it's a much easier decision.
One of the things RR said when he was hired was how supportive his daughter was when he moved here and he thought it was going to be much more difficult. She wasn't an athlete but no doubt had friends that she wasn't keen on leaving. But she still had 2 years of HS left when they made the move.
Is Rhett going to be welcomed at a HS in Blacksburg like he is at Cat Foothills? Do they already have a QB or is it going to be a competition and will there be issues if he wins the QB job over somebody that his teammates like more? That stuff is real and especially when he knows that he's the starting QB next year at Cat Foothills without question. You're asking your kid to forget about what he knows to be a sure thing in his senior year of HS and accept the unknown even though neither the kid or the parent knows what that means at this point.
I honestly thinks it says a lot about RR and his wife if they leave and screw the kid out of what should be a dream year for him at Cat Foothills. I don't think RR is leaving as I think his kids situation is a pretty big trump card. RR will no doubt play it out though and get a raise out of it for sure.
I think the tone in Byrne's e-mail, which is in stark contrast relative to his comments when the Louisville rumors came up, is the reason why many of us are thinking he may be headed back East.ramcat wrote:My feeling is Rich Rod is going no where. Brynes comments last year when Louisville came up, was that RR was here for the long term. Think the staffs goals were well above a South title and getting destroyed in Conf Championship. Don't see him looking like a solid hire for V Tech, likely coming off 5-7 season in yr 4, with his recruits and system comfortably in place, being 1-3 vs div. rival etc... This coming off underwhelming Michigan stint.
I've spoken with a couple V Tech alums who believe that despite, AD working with RR, that he would be shooting higher and that bringing in RR, would carry undue risk because of their past relationship and not looking objective.
Think RR would believe there is unfinished business here, he is extremely competitive, has a likely a more favorable schedule next year, with a lot returning on both sides of the ball. Why not Arizona comes to mind.
Certainly there is something to be said for leaving on a high note, achieving goals and vaulting to a new program in a positive way.
Gut call, or declarative statement based on info you have received?chiefzona wrote:RR stays.
Makes sense to me that Brynes comments would strike a different tone, as you put it, as the situation is different. Last year when Louisville came up, the year had ended and the talk of his going to Louisville was much more direct and wide spread. I'd imagine Bryne and Rich would likely be able to discuss things more openly, such as possible bumps in contract. With season still in play, the focus should righfully be on one thing, finishing as strongly as possible. So Bryne should have been more guarded and subdued, at least and until the season is complete.Harvey Specter wrote:ramcat wrote:My feeling is Rich Rod is going no where. Brynes comments last year when Louisville came up, was that RR was here for the long term. Think the staffs goals were well above a South title and getting destroyed in Conf Championship. Don't see him looking like a solid hire for V Tech, likely coming off 5-7 season in yr 4, with his recruits and system comfortably in place, being 1-3 vs div. rival etc... This coming off underwhelming Michigan stint.
I've spoken with a couple V Tech alums who believe that despite, AD working with RR, that he would be shooting higher and that bringing in RR, would carry undue risk because of their past relationship and not looking objective.
Think RR would believe there is unfinished business here, he is extremely competitive, has a likely a more favorable schedule next year, with a lot returning on both sides of the ball. Why not Arizona comes to mind.
Certainly there is something to be said for leaving on a high note, achieving goals and vaulting to a new program in a positive way.
I think the tone in Byrne's e-mail, which is in stark contrast relative to his comments when the Louisville rumors came up, is the reason why many of us are thinking he may be headed back East.
Assumed discussed, but going to investigate his options.He knows that we want him to be our coach
chiefzona wrote:RR stays.
If he stays this year and doesn't go back to WVU (if that job opens - and it may this year - a lot of people are going to push to bring him back) then he's probably not going anywhere for a long time.PHXCATS wrote:If he is gonna leave next year just leave now. Don't think there will be this many jobs open next year near his home
Would you have been upset if we were not saved by a cheeseburger in basketball?eoe wrote:Never fails to amuse and amaze me how upset fans get about a coach doing what's best for them and moving on to bigger things
"But but but he said Arizona is a destination!!!"
I'm as big as a UA football fan as there is, but no chance I stick around an average football program when I can coach at a place like VaTech or South Carolina.
chiefzona wrote:RR stays.
Also doesn't hurt to make your intentions hidden if you want a sweeter deal at your current position. CSM and RR have already had their oil money bonuses moved up once. RR can work another raise for himself and his staff especially with Byrne having his back.azpenguin wrote:RichRod is going to at least listen to the offers because you never know if someone is going to give him a really sweet deal to go, or if he really really wants back on the east coast.
I don't blame RR for trying, if he does. I would blame Byrne for giving in to it.Merkin wrote:Also doesn't hurt to make your intentions hidden if you want a sweeter deal at your current position. CSM and RR have already had their oil money bonuses moved up once. RR can work another raise for himself and his staff especially with Byrne having his back.azpenguin wrote:RichRod is going to at least listen to the offers because you never know if someone is going to give him a really sweet deal to go, or if he really really wants back on the east coast.
Yeah, cuz living in Blacksburg or Columbia is something most aspire to. South Carolina, Va Tech, Alabama, Ohio St, USC, Texas, LSU, & Florida... Those are certainly the Crown Jewels of the sport.eoe wrote:Never fails to amuse and amaze me how upset fans get about a coach doing what's best for them and moving on to bigger things
"But but but he said Arizona is a destination!!!"
I'm as big as a UA football fan as there is, but no chance I stick around an average football program when I can coach at a place like VaTech or South Carolina.