Bear Down Wildcats

azcat49 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:21 pm Anybody notice that he has been our coach for almost a week and not one kid has pulled his name from the portal.

I would have thought he would have talked to those kids early on and maybe he did snd their exit is even more telling. Or maybe he didn’t and that tells us something else

Poaching?


What goes around...

Footballjunkie wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:13 pm

azcat49 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:21 pm Anybody notice that he has been our coach for almost a week and not one kid has pulled his name from the portal.

I would have thought he would have talked to those kids early on and maybe he did snd their exit is even more telling. Or maybe he didn’t and that tells us something else

Poaching?


What goes around...

they may be waiting to see who the assistants are going to be.

So, what's our thoughts on what constitutes a successful first three years?

For me it's a .500 record in year three.

Which would be just enough to keep him around for year 4 where the misery continues

azgreg wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:48 am So, what's our thoughts on what constitutes a successful first three years?

For me it's a .500 record in year three.

Actually building a solid foundation for the program with legit players being grown as frosh, sophs and juniors.

I'm concerned Fisch uses the transfer portal and immediate eligibility to build a temporary talent base, overperform expectations in year 1 and 2, bail to a better job and leave us with no talent base.

Just looking well prepared with good execution would be a welcomed first step. I think with the transfer portal granting immediate eligibility I am hoping for accelerated wins in the first three years. I do share Spiffs concerns about where we might be in three years in base talent

Anyone else watch his interview on Cowherd's show today? Gotta say. Guy is a great speaker. Knows how to talk the talk. Cowherd said he wants to come to a game or two lol

BeardownZonaZona wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:12 pm Anyone else watch his interview on Cowherd's show today? Gotta say. Guy is a great speaker. Knows how to talk the talk. Cowherd said he wants to come to a game or two lol

Cowherd was also the one that thought Adam Gase was a great hire for the Jets...

Cowherd and Fisch have been good friends for a while.

Also, Cowherd is a stone cold moron.

Chicat wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 1:32 pm Cowherd and Fisch have been good friends for a while.

Also, Cowherd is a stone cold moron.

Bingo

Chicat wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 1:32 pm Cowherd and Fisch have been good friends for a while.

Also, Cowherd is a stone cold moron.

I said this in another thread, but I can't think of a worse endorsement for a football coach than Cowherd.

Fisch is doing a great job so far. I know he has not coached a game yet, but I am enjoying what he has done. Like I mentioned earlier. He is energetic and will work hard. I wonder how many who hated this hire will change their mind? There were some nasty comments made hear and on social media. People react way to fast. You have to let things fall in place. So far Fisch has done everything correct. He needs for everyone to support him and his staff. And of course the program.

I think for me, its the way it went down. Cronyism. And Ricky Bobby put his friend in a tough spot. I've said as such on twitter (Rollo Tomassi is my handle there).

That being said, its almost like Jedd is doing things to win me over personally. I saw Damien Anderson run all over the Big 10 including at the MetroDome. We go get his kid who is a total stud. I played against Coach Paopaos' little brother Nate when he was the QB at El Camino High in Oceanside. I have at least one Scottie Graham autograph at my parents house. New coach likes to run casino blitz. My buddies who played for NMSU love DeWayne Walker. Jalens brother joins him here (Hopefully they are both in a stance at DE this season). Boobie, Jamarye and Ma'Jon are coming back. JB Brown, Pandy, and a solid 6'7 DT are coming back. The only thing that I'd like that hasn't yet happened is Brightwell back- I hated that his freshman year was wasted as a gunner and I'd love to see him get a full season as the bell cow.

Honestly from the day he was hired to now, short of signing 5 star prep prospects I don't see how coach Fisch could've gotten off to a better start.

Irish27 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:17 pm Fisch is doing a great job so far. I know he has not coached a game yet, but I am enjoying what he has done. Like I mentioned earlier. He is energetic and will work hard. I wonder how many who hated this hire will change their mind? There were some nasty comments made hear and on social media. People react way to fast. You have to let things fall in place. So far Fisch has done everything correct. He needs for everyone to support him and his staff. And of course the program.

Irish, you know I love you, but Jedd Fisch hasn’t done shit yet. And I think even he would tell you not to paint him with the brush of low expectations.

He put together a staff, convinced some of our current players to stay, and has gotten a few transfers, all without stepping on his dick. That’s seriously the bare minimum, isn’t it?

If he makes inroads into the west coast high schools that produce the best talent, he convinces Arizona kids who are being widely recruited to stay home, and brings us up to a mediocre level on the field, I will 100% eat uncooked crow. I will wear the stigma of thinking this was a bad hire the way I wear thinking Sumlin was a good one.

But let’s not start sucking each other’s dicks just yet...

Chicat wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:37 pm

Irish27 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:17 pm Fisch is doing a great job so far. I know he has not coached a game yet, but I am enjoying what he has done. Like I mentioned earlier. He is energetic and will work hard. I wonder how many who hated this hire will change their mind? There were some nasty comments made hear and on social media. People react way to fast. You have to let things fall in place. So far Fisch has done everything correct. He needs for everyone to support him and his staff. And of course the program.

Irish, you know I love you, but Jedd Fisch hasn’t done shit yet. And I think even he would tell you not to paint him with the brush of low expectations.

He put together a staff, convinced some of our current players to stay, and has gotten a few transfers, all without stepping on his dick. That’s seriously the bare minimum, isn’t it?

If he makes inroads into the west coast high schools that produce the best talent, he convinces Arizona kids who are being widely recruited to stay home, and brings us up to a mediocre level on the field, I will 100% eat uncooked crow. I will wear the stigma of thinking this was a bad hire the way I wear thinking Sumlin was a good one.

But let’s not start sucking each other’s dicks just yet...

Fair enough. I do believe he will get this program in the right direction. The energy Fisch shows is nice to see. I like how Fisch has taken to social media. He understands what it's going to take to sell the program. Like I mentioned earlier, he has not coached a game yet, but I am very impressed so far and looking forward to football again.

Irish27 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:17 pm

Chicat wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:37 pm

Irish27 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:17 pm Fisch is doing a great job so far. I know he has not coached a game yet, but I am enjoying what he has done. Like I mentioned earlier. He is energetic and will work hard. I wonder how many who hated this hire will change their mind? There were some nasty comments made hear and on social media. People react way to fast. You have to let things fall in place. So far Fisch has done everything correct. He needs for everyone to support him and his staff. And of course the program.

Irish, you know I love you, but Jedd Fisch hasn’t done shit yet. And I think even he would tell you not to paint him with the brush of low expectations.

He put together a staff, convinced some of our current players to stay, and has gotten a few transfers, all without stepping on his dick. That’s seriously the bare minimum, isn’t it?

If he makes inroads into the west coast high schools that produce the best talent, he convinces Arizona kids who are being widely recruited to stay home, and brings us up to a mediocre level on the field, I will 100% eat uncooked crow. I will wear the stigma of thinking this was a bad hire the way I wear thinking Sumlin was a good one.

But let’s not start sucking each other’s dicks just yet...

Fair enough. I do believe he will get this program in the right direction. The energy Fisch shows is nice to see. I like how Fisch has taken to social media. He understands what it's going to take to sell the program. Like I mentioned earlier, he has not coached a game yet, but I am very impressed so far and looking forward to football again.

Good stuff. And I truly hope you’re right.

Irish27 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:17 pm Fisch is doing a great job so far. I know he has not coached a game yet, but I am enjoying what he has done. Like I mentioned earlier. He is energetic and will work hard. I wonder how many who hated this hire will change their mind? There were some nasty comments made hear and on social media. People react way to fast. You have to let things fall in place. So far Fisch has done everything correct. He needs for everyone to support him and his staff. And of course the program.

I was all for the hire once Hansen and Chief came out against him simultaneously.

You just can't get a better contrarian signal than that

Chicat wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:37 pm But let’s not start sucking each other’s dicks just yet...

Well you just won't let us have any fun will you

At least buy me dinner and a nice local craft brew first

Hasn’t done shit? Okay.....

We get Stanley back I think we all need to realize something special is taking place and fucking embrace it!

Bear Down

Yes, we are getting the band back together. But so far they've played like a high school garage band that plays Nickelback covers. I'm just finding it hard to convince myself Fisch has already turned this thing around because a bunch of guys who have lost their last 12 games in a row decided that transferring to NMSU wasn't in God's plan.

Chicat wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:43 amhigh school garage band that plays Nickelback covers.

There's nothing wrong with that.

Good looking dude and he can sing too.

I like the new additions from teams that actually won a bunch, imagine that. The kid from Norte Dame had more offers out of HS than our whole team put together!

Sumlin's first 2 weeks was full of social media hype and excitement from kids too, including the "this kid only considered us cause of Sumlin." Still gotta get the right kids and coach em up right. I'm pleased to see some momentum but I sure hope it is different than what we've seen in the past. I do like a couple that we've seen but we need to continue it.

prh wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:58 am Sumlin's first 2 weeks was full of social media hype and excitement from kids too, including the "this kid only considered us cause of Sumlin." Still gotta get the right kids and coach em up right. I'm pleased to see some momentum but I sure hope it is different than what we've seen in the past. I do like a couple that we've seen but we need to continue it.

Every new coach has the hype around them, I however do not remember Kevin Sumlin adding anyone during that hype period other than Chief's pal Kevin Doyle.

Can we just settle with we like the some of the initial things (coaching staff, retaining some of our players) so far?

That's where I am at anyway.

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:10 am Can we just settle with we like the some of the initial things (coaching staff, retaining some of our players) so far?

That's where I am at anyway.

I think it's undeniable that Fisch has been impressive in his efforts and enthusiasm so far.... something Sumlin never showed.

What this will produce on the field is anyone's guess.... but as someone who was totally against this hire.... he's impressed me so far. If this can translate to on the field success.... we may all be proven wrong.

Scheer said last night (I can't embed a tweet for shit): Heard the expectation is there will only be around 100 spots at the FBS level for the 1000+ student-athletes that want to transfer. Under current rules they count as part of class of 25 and most schools don’t have spots left. Insanity.

That's why I think all these kids are coming back. Stanley obviously an exception as he had chosen already, but I think a lot of them saw there's no where to go.

btfd16 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:04 am Scheer said last night (I can't embed a tweet for shit): Heard the expectation is there will only be around 100 spots at the FBS level for the 1000+ student-athletes that want to transfer. Under current rules they count as part of class of 25 and most schools don’t have spots left. Insanity.

That's why I think all these kids are coming back. Stanley obviously an exception as he had chosen already, but I think a lot of them saw there's no where to go.

84Cat wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:21 am

btfd16 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:04 am Scheer said last night (I can't embed a tweet for shit): Heard the expectation is there will only be around 100 spots at the FBS level for the 1000+ student-athletes that want to transfer. Under current rules they count as part of class of 25 and most schools don’t have spots left. Insanity.

That's why I think all these kids are coming back. Stanley obviously an exception as he had chosen already, but I think a lot of them saw there's no where to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MovG15gLHcI

btfd16 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:44 am

84Cat wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:21 am

btfd16 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:04 am Scheer said last night (I can't embed a tweet for shit): Heard the expectation is there will only be around 100 spots at the FBS level for the 1000+ student-athletes that want to transfer. Under current rules they count as part of class of 25 and most schools don’t have spots left. Insanity.

That's why I think all these kids are coming back. Stanley obviously an exception as he had chosen already, but I think a lot of them saw there's no where to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MovG15gLHcI

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Congrats on Fisch stopping the bleeding. I’ll give him credit for that.

Remains to be seen if the patient is going to make it.

I'm happy many of the players have decided to stay. But let's be honest. These are the guys with a 12-game losing streak, and last game out, against ASu, showed the fight of newborn kittens crying for their mother, and not the fight of a Wildcat. Enthusiasm, energy, and a few tweets don't amount to a pile of anything, unless it also means our guys can get tougher, stronger, and faster. And still won't amount to much if the teams we're playing are equally tough, strong, and fast, and better coached.

So Fisch hasn't fallen flat on his face yet. Glad he got over his first, small hurdle. Many more along the way that will be much tougher to tackle.

Half of the guys coming back did not play this year, so it's hard to lump them in with the 12 game losing streak. If some of them had, in particular on the defensive side of the ball, we may not have lost to USC, and surely would not have fallen behind the way we did against some of our other opponents. It helps to have the continuity that these guys will bring with them. At least it stems the bleeding... I'm grateful for that. Does it mean 6 wins next year? No. But it might mean our losses are more competitive (rather than the embarrassing blowouts we had this year), with room to grow the following year. I'll take that as progress.

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:49 am I'm happy many of the players have decided to stay. But let's be honest. These are the guys with a 12-game losing streak, and last game out, against ASu, showed the fight of newborn kittens crying for their mother, and not the fight of a Wildcat. Enthusiasm, energy, and a few tweets don't amount to a pile of anything, unless it also means our guys can get tougher, stronger, and faster. And still won't amount to much if the teams we're playing are equally tough, strong, and fast, and better coached.

So Fisch hasn't fallen flat on his face yet. Glad he got over his first, small hurdle. Many more along the way that will be much tougher to tackle.

That's sort of how I feel. It's better not everyone left, but let's not act like this season made us think retaining guys guarantees being competitive.

We were a winless team that got epic beatdowns a few times. Just returning the same roster isn't enough to expect meaningful changes, let alone losing a few contributors like we did.

Heck, some guys are gonna return because they realize they'll get more PT on our decimated roster than any other destination. It's better than a complete implosion, but it's no grand victory.

AzWdCatFan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:22 pm Half of the guys coming back did not play this year, so it's hard to lump them in with the 12 game losing streak. If some of them had, in particular on the defensive side of the ball, we may not have lost to USC, and surely would not have fallen behind the way we did against some of our other opponents. It helps to have the continuity that these guys will bring with them. At least it stems the bleeding... I'm grateful for that. Does it mean 6 wins next year? No. But it might mean our losses are more competitive (rather than the embarrassing blowouts we had this year), with room to grow the following year. I'll take that as progress.

I'll be dead honest, for me, Fisch needs to produce results faster than I'd have demanded from Ken N or Brennan.

Why? First, Fisch has never stayed any one place longer than 3 years and I don't think he'll change that pattern here. If you want to be an itinerant coach, you need to engineer faster results.

Second, he wasn't the merit candidate. If you don't take the most meritorious candidate, I feel like the leash has to be shorter.

Third, Ken N and Brennan were much more proven as program builders. They would have gotten some leeway from me based on their prior history in terms of having shown they can figure it out. Fisch has not, so he needs to do it or be shown the door.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:59 pm

AzWdCatFan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:22 pm Half of the guys coming back did not play this year, so it's hard to lump them in with the 12 game losing streak. If some of them had, in particular on the defensive side of the ball, we may not have lost to USC, and surely would not have fallen behind the way we did against some of our other opponents. It helps to have the continuity that these guys will bring with them. At least it stems the bleeding... I'm grateful for that. Does it mean 6 wins next year? No. But it might mean our losses are more competitive (rather than the embarrassing blowouts we had this year), with room to grow the following year. I'll take that as progress.

I'll be dead honest, for me, Fisch needs to produce results faster than I'd have demanded from Ken N or Brennan.

Why? First, Fisch has never stayed any one place longer than 3 years and I don't think he'll change that pattern here. If you want to be an itinerant coach, you need to engineer faster results.

Second, he wasn't the merit candidate. If you don't take the most meritorious candidate, I feel like the leash has to be shorter.

Third, Ken N and Brennan were much more proven as program builders. They would have gotten some leeway from me based on their prior history in terms of having shown they can figure it out. Fisch has not, so he needs to do it or be shown the door.

I can totally agree with this assessment. I was furious at the way this hiring went down, so the leash is pretty short. I simply believe that the fact that having many of the guys that were threatening to leave coming back sets us up better than the current 12-game losing steak may indicate. Several of the defensive guys coming back would have been difference makers between opposing teams being able to run the ball down or throats, or not, this year had they played. (Not to mention the ability to get pressure on the opposing quarterback.) At least the cupboard won't be bare for the incoming coaches. Better to start there than the alternative, that's for sure.

Jedd still has to win me over, and its a fairly short leash. That said, I'm not sure what he could've done better so far. Short of getting 10 top 50 recruits, bringing the only 3 playmakers at wideout back, a corner whose the level of athlete we simply haven't had in years, and a 6'8 DE are a good start.

I definitely know it could've gone FAR WORSE over the past week or so since hes taken over. At this point, duct tape on the dam is a win. Whether or not its the start of something is an entirely different game.

I'll say this, Fisch has done everything he has needed to in the short time he has been here so far. For that, I will praise him. But he needs to show something on the field for me to fully come around.

Fisch is proving he can recruit. Jason Taylor's son just committed.

What’s he ranked?

Chicat wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:18 pm What’s he ranked?

He's not ranked although he was recruited by Vandy, Illini & Air Force

https://247sports.com/Player/Isaiah-Taylor-46078918/

So our recruiting is right where it has been. Perfect.

Chicat wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:18 pm What’s he ranked?

It's weird right? He's from a pretty legit program and was offered by other FBS schools yet he's not ranked and neither is his brother.

OKG

Vandy might be the only team in the country worse than us

Very short leash.

azgreg wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:23 pm

Chicat wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:18 pm What’s he ranked?

It's weird right? He's from a pretty legit program and was offered by other FBS schools yet he's not ranked and neither is his brother.

Needless to say 2020 was a difficult year for scouts to be able to actually scout.

I do know this Taylor pick up was a connection recruitment all the way. I'm not sure how the kid from Connecticut we picked up fit in. Maybe Jedd got word of him while he was coaching at New England?

Academics?

I watched that kid from Connecticut's highlight tape on hudl. What kind of division was this guy playing in??? He shrugged just about everyone off and looked just about unstoppable