Bear Down Wildcats

How do you know if a thread topic has reached the Apocalypse?

When you start citing Camus.

Blow it up arizona….just do it.

Think strategically- push Oregon’s hand and force asu to shit or get off the pot.

Just think how good that will feel.

Just do it.

Looks like the pack is done either way, just a matter of who pulls the trigger first

Lev tweeted that AZ and Washington have debt service issues so taking the sure thing is an absolute on our part, or at least should be

Chicat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:00 am

dovecanyoncat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:44 am

Chicat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:19 am

84Cat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:14 am I can't wait to never open this thread again. Can we get this ish over with?

This thread should be published as the sequel to the Albert Camus novel “No Exit”.

Sartre

Mon Dieu!

Instead of "Hell is other people." it's "Hell is:
ASU
other schools
other schools' presidents
other conferences
this thread

CatsbyAZ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:59 am

dovecanyoncat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:44 am

Chicat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:19 am

84Cat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:14 am I can't wait to never open this thread again. Can we get this ish over with?

This thread should be published as the sequel to the Albert Camus novel “No Exit”.

Sartre

What about A Feast For Crows?

Seriously, how does Michael Crow have THIS MUCH power!?!?!

Let's hope it's not a family thing going on up in here!

Chicat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:16 am

If that play could morph into Groundhog Day and loop back into itself it would be perfect.

dovecanyoncat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:24 am

Chicat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:16 am

If that play could morph into Groundhog Day and loop back into itself it would be perfect.

Half expected the defender to fumble, Arizona to recover it then fumble, the defense to recover then fumble, ad infinitum.

RondaeShimmy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:06 am Looks like the pack is done either way, just a matter of who pulls the trigger first

Agreed.

At this point it looks like a game of chicken between UA - UO/UW. Each side wants the other to act first so they don't get blamed for
"Killing the PAC9 Conference"

And I'm sure that UO/UW are trying to extort more money out of the B1G

Just kill it. It’s already dead.

Wear the black hat Arizona and force Oregon to take less!

You now what you need to do arizona do it now

Come in arizona, do it

Spoils go to the aggressor, we sat on our hands

Nuke it from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:44 am Spoils go to the aggressor, we sat on our hands

Big 12 already accepted our application yesterday, just have to wait for the ABOR to take the vote and approve (with or without asu)

RondaeShimmy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:46 am

CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:44 am Spoils go to the aggressor, we sat on our hands

Big 12 already accepted our application yesterday, just have to wait for the ABOR to take the vote and approve (with or without asu)

So what’s the hold up? Another exec meeting?

CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:48 am

RondaeShimmy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:46 am

CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:44 am Spoils go to the aggressor, we sat on our hands

Big 12 already accepted our application yesterday, just have to wait for the ABOR to take the vote and approve (with or without asu)

So what’s the hold up? Another exec meeting?

Apparently can't take a vote that isn't public

So later today at the earliest

dmjcat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:37 am

At this point it looks like a game of chicken between UA - UO/UW. Each side wants the other to act first so they don't get blamed for
"Killing the PAC9 Conference"

And I'm sure that UO/UW are trying to extort more money out of the B1G

This is 100% what just happened

Oregon and UDub gone is being reported so katie bar the door because are headed out as well. ASSU, turn out the lights bitch

The consensus amongst Big Ten fans from another board I frequent is that pursuing Washington/Oregon without first going all out for a combination of FSU/ND/Miami/Clemson/UNC is a BIG MISTAKE. They are hoping that B1G is baiting Washington/Oregon as a smokescreen for poaching from the ACC no matter how locked down those ACC contracts are with ESPN.

Can we get another Sartre or Camus quote? Or for someone just as pessimistic I raise you Arthur Schopenhauer - possibly he was also frustrated by conferences eventually cannibalizing each other:

"The pain in the world always outweighs the pleasure. If you don't believe it, compare the respective feelings of two animals, one of which is eating the other."

So does the UA await the official B1G invitation for UO/UW and then use that as the excuse to jump to the B12 or does Robbins just pull the plug now?

Going to Big10 is the right choice for Oregon /Washington
Going to Big 12 is the right choice for AZ (ASU / Utah?)

But it makes me really sad because this never should have happened. Shitty Pac leaders / School presidents led to this. There is no way the Pac should be inferior to these other conferences...and yet here we are

Also I don't feel responsible for them...but this is really shitty for WashSt and OrSt.

Change or die A.

Pac12 leadership rested on their laurels, history, nostalgia, tradition and lost for those most principled stands

East coast bias

RondaeShimmy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:41 am

If they get less than 50% than that is bad but it's better than the pac 12

Already talks about changing the playoff selection process to include more of the best teams versus conferences automotive qualifier.

Arizona

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:18 am And another point about ASSU and the CFP...

If the "Pac 8" remains as is no way ASSU leapfrogs either Oregon, Washington or Utah to get a bid if the current CFP contract is not amended.

And if those schools depart you no longer have a power conference anyway if the PAC decides to bring in MWC or WCC schools as replacements.

So the thought that ASSU is reconsidering leaving the PAC to somehow put themselves in a better "championship" position would be the dumbest move in a conference that is already infamous for dumb moves.

Not really a surprise with idiot Crow running things. Guy is partially responsible for the PAC of shit we see today. His forward thinking is on par with Jehovah Witnesses.

OSUCat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:25 am Already talks about changing the playoff selection process to include more of the best teams versus conferences automotive qualifier.

But I was told this would remain!

Crow is going to convince Robbins to join the MEAC.

Postmaster wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:26 am Crow is going to convince Robbins to join the MEAC.

I would not shed a single tear if the B12 stopped at 14 (to await the outcome of the potential ACC breakup) and let asu die on the vine in the MWC 2.0

Is our lifeboat assured?

dmjcat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:32 am

Postmaster wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:26 am Crow is going to convince Robbins to join the MEAC.

I would not shed a single tear if the B12 stopped at 14 (to await the outcome of the potential ACC breakup) and let asu die on the vine in the MWC 2.0

Neither would I

Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:20 am Also I don't feel responsible for them...but this is really shitty for WashSt and OrSt.

I just said the same thing to a Udub fan and they agreed. No more Apple Cup.

Stealing this from someone else, but I'd love to see Big 12 stay at 14 and leave ASU and Utah in the Broke Pac Mountain conference.

CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:34 am

dmjcat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:32 am

Postmaster wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:26 am Crow is going to convince Robbins to join the MEAC.

I would not shed a single tear if the B12 stopped at 14 (to await the outcome of the potential ACC breakup) and let asu die on the vine in the MWC 2.0

Neither would I

Would be funny if Utah and Stanford joined the big-12 and ASU was left out.

OSUCat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:42 am

CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:34 am

dmjcat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:32 am

Postmaster wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:26 am Crow is going to convince Robbins to join the MEAC.

I would not shed a single tear if the B12 stopped at 14 (to await the outcome of the potential ACC breakup) and let asu die on the vine in the MWC 2.0

Neither would I

Would be funny if Utah and Stanford joined the big-12 and ASU was left out.

There is actually some logic in the B12 taking Stanford & SDSU. They would get two West coast teams in the SoCal/Bay area markets

dmjcat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:48 am

OSUCat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:42 am

CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:34 am

dmjcat wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:32 am

Postmaster wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:26 am Crow is going to convince Robbins to join the MEAC.

I would not shed a single tear if the B12 stopped at 14 (to await the outcome of the potential ACC breakup) and let asu die on the vine in the MWC 2.0

Neither would I

Would be funny if Utah and Stanford joined the big-12 and ASU was left out.

There is actually some logic in the B12 taking Stanford & SDSU. They would get two West coast teams in the SoCal/Bay area markets

I could see Cal, Stanford, and Utah over us thanks to Crow and ABOR. That tweet about "other options" is not reassuring.

SDSU fits the model

And I don’t like sdsu. But that would work

Furd won’t get over themselves enough to bite

where is our lifeboat?

With ORWA gone, there's nothing left for us in the PAC. If Utah and ASu want to remain with the Bays, PWN States, and a bunch of G5 schools, let them. There's no future for a west coast based conference without the LA schools and ORWA. ORWA going B1G also means the BIG12 will likely remain ESPN's 4th window conference not only for the next contract, but beyond. Again, without LA or ORWA, the ESPN isn't going to pay a SEC premium for the remaining west coast teams.

The last question for ORWA is how much of a share they get to start. At half share, WA was complaining that's a major issue, because they expect an extra $10 million in travel costs. And half share of $60 million ($30 million - $10 million extra travel ) equals out to $20 million. Which is what UW would make in the PAC. Now, if it's a ladder situation where ORWA get 1/2 to start, and full share by year 5, ORWA still comes out way ahead. Additional travel costs is why ORWA were never considering the BIG12. It's not as big a concern for the 4-corner schools, with BYU and our closer proximity to Texas and the midwest.