Re: Another best for Toad Graham..
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:36 am
Sorry, I'm distracted by the score on that top gif.
Yawn to the rest of it.
Yawn to the rest of it.
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It is on consolation to our current awfulness. They always hype themselves beyond a Arizona fans ever do.carolinacat wrote:Knowing ASU is crapping the bed after pumping themselves with national championship talk back in August is so sweet.
Since last November, ASU fans waited all year for football season to arrive with great expectations, hope and anticipation. Once again, they never fail to disappoint. Preseason top 15. Five losses before Veteran's Day. Never has a program done so little with so much hype and fanfare.
1. Coached ASU to back to back 10 win seasons for first time in 30 years.Chicat wrote:But beyond them not winning a natty and not having the greatest team to ever grace the earth, 4-5 in year four is pretty awful. Why is Graham getting a pass but RR largely is not? Isn't ASSU a football school?
I hate hearing people talk about how well Graham is recruiting. It's all just based on arbitrary rankings, and 99% of the people who tout it have no idea who any of the kids are and/or have never seen them play, they're just repeating a talking point based on an arbitrary rating system. So Graham had the #17 class in 2014 and 2015 (according to Scout), how's that improved the team? Their regular season win total has decreased in both seasons following those "stellar classes." This year, asu's class isn't even ranked, so is his recruiting falling off now?Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:1. Coached ASU to back to back 10 win seasons for first time in 30 years.Chicat wrote:But beyond them not winning a natty and not having the greatest team to ever grace the earth, 4-5 in year four is pretty awful. Why is Graham getting a pass but RR largely is not? Isn't ASSU a football school?
2. Recruiting
3. Graham has been a program builder at ASU. Since his arrival, ASU is fundraising and investing in facilities at unprecedented levels (for ASU).
4. Recruiting
5. Recruiting
In other words, regardless of this poor season, ASU is on a real upswing from where it was. How is RR catching heat? Sounds more like he is the center of relocation speculation, but I haven't seen anyone calling for him to be fired.
(Also, not sure if true, but I read somewhere last night that ASU has not lost a single it was favored in this year. Keep in mind, Vegas had ASU as a 7-5 team prior to this season.)
Fair enough, but UofA fan would be touting our recruiting classes if we were on that kind of roll.Luuuuuuuute wrote:I hate hearing people talk about how well Graham is recruiting. It's all just based on arbitrary rankings, and 99% of the people who tout it have no idea who any of the kids are and/or have never seen them play, they're just repeating a talking point based on an arbitrary rating system. So Graham had the #17 class in 2014 and 2015 (according to Scout), how's that improved the team? Their regular season win total has decreased in both seasons following those "stellar classes." This year, asu's class isn't even ranked, so is his recruiting falling off now?Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:1. Coached ASU to back to back 10 win seasons for first time in 30 years.Chicat wrote:But beyond them not winning a natty and not having the greatest team to ever grace the earth, 4-5 in year four is pretty awful. Why is Graham getting a pass but RR largely is not? Isn't ASSU a football school?
2. Recruiting
3. Graham has been a program builder at ASU. Since his arrival, ASU is fundraising and investing in facilities at unprecedented levels (for ASU).
4. Recruiting
5. Recruiting
In other words, regardless of this poor season, ASU is on a real upswing from where it was. How is RR catching heat? Sounds more like he is the center of relocation speculation, but I haven't seen anyone calling for him to be fired.
(Also, not sure if true, but I read somewhere last night that ASU has not lost a single it was favored in this year. Keep in mind, Vegas had ASU as a 7-5 team prior to this season.)
It's just such an inexact science that it's silly for people to simply say "asu's recruiting has improved greatly!" Graham has a roster full of his recruits and at best will finish 7-5 plus a marginal bowl game... how does that show his recruiting is so astronomically off the charts that you use it as 3 of the 5 main reasons why he's not under fire? (I'm not saying he should be under fire, just pointing out why I think your reasoning is flawed.)
On top of that, remember at the beginning of the season how many "experts" were saying how asu is so much bigger than they have been, and they "look the part" this season, etc etc etc. How's that worked out for them? I don't follow recruiting closely because I think it's silly, so maybe I'm extra sensitive to the subject, but all I hear from asu fans and Phoenix sports talk shows is that asu's recruiting is so great, but the results don't show it.
As you point out, the two recruiting classes that ASU fans are touting are '14 and '15. Any program that expects true freshman to come in an contribute are usually in trouble. So no, the results on the field are not reflecting improved recruiting because those recruits are still new to football at this level.Luuuuuuuute wrote:I hate hearing people talk about how well Graham is recruiting. It's all just based on arbitrary rankings, and 99% of the people who tout it have no idea who any of the kids are and/or have never seen them play, they're just repeating a talking point based on an arbitrary rating system. So Graham had the #17 class in 2014 and 2015 (according to Scout), how's that improved the team? Their regular season win total has decreased in both seasons following those "stellar classes." This year, asu's class isn't even ranked, so is his recruiting falling off now?Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:1. Coached ASU to back to back 10 win seasons for first time in 30 years.Chicat wrote:But beyond them not winning a natty and not having the greatest team to ever grace the earth, 4-5 in year four is pretty awful. Why is Graham getting a pass but RR largely is not? Isn't ASSU a football school?
2. Recruiting
3. Graham has been a program builder at ASU. Since his arrival, ASU is fundraising and investing in facilities at unprecedented levels (for ASU).
4. Recruiting
5. Recruiting
In other words, regardless of this poor season, ASU is on a real upswing from where it was. How is RR catching heat? Sounds more like he is the center of relocation speculation, but I haven't seen anyone calling for him to be fired.
(Also, not sure if true, but I read somewhere last night that ASU has not lost a single it was favored in this year. Keep in mind, Vegas had ASU as a 7-5 team prior to this season.)
It's just such an inexact science that it's silly for people to simply say "asu's recruiting has improved greatly!" Graham has a roster full of his recruits and at best will finish 7-5 plus a marginal bowl game... how does that show his recruiting is so astronomically off the charts that you use it as 3 of the 5 main reasons why he's not under fire? (I'm not saying he should be under fire, just pointing out why I think your reasoning is flawed.)
On top of that, remember at the beginning of the season how many "experts" were saying how asu is so much bigger than they have been, and they "look the part" this season, etc etc etc. How's that worked out for them? I don't follow recruiting closely because I think it's silly, so maybe I'm extra sensitive to the subject, but all I hear from asu fans and Phoenix sports talk shows is that asu's recruiting is so great, but the results don't show it.
It takes coaching + talent to compete. I have yet to witness a national champion filled with classes falling outside of the top 15 in most recruiting rankings. Go look at any national champion and then reference their "arbitrary" recruiting rankings for the 4-5 years prior to the championship season. You will find a pretty clear correlation between recruiting rankings and championship football. (To be fair, championship schools have good coaching too).CalStateTempe wrote:Fair enough, but UofA fan would be touting our recruiting classes if we were on that kind of roll.Luuuuuuuute wrote:I hate hearing people talk about how well Graham is recruiting. It's all just based on arbitrary rankings, and 99% of the people who tout it have no idea who any of the kids are and/or have never seen them play, they're just repeating a talking point based on an arbitrary rating system. So Graham had the #17 class in 2014 and 2015 (according to Scout), how's that improved the team? Their regular season win total has decreased in both seasons following those "stellar classes." This year, asu's class isn't even ranked, so is his recruiting falling off now?Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:1. Coached ASU to back to back 10 win seasons for first time in 30 years.Chicat wrote:But beyond them not winning a natty and not having the greatest team to ever grace the earth, 4-5 in year four is pretty awful. Why is Graham getting a pass but RR largely is not? Isn't ASSU a football school?
2. Recruiting
3. Graham has been a program builder at ASU. Since his arrival, ASU is fundraising and investing in facilities at unprecedented levels (for ASU).
4. Recruiting
5. Recruiting
In other words, regardless of this poor season, ASU is on a real upswing from where it was. How is RR catching heat? Sounds more like he is the center of relocation speculation, but I haven't seen anyone calling for him to be fired.
(Also, not sure if true, but I read somewhere last night that ASU has not lost a single it was favored in this year. Keep in mind, Vegas had ASU as a 7-5 team prior to this season.)
It's just such an inexact science that it's silly for people to simply say "asu's recruiting has improved greatly!" Graham has a roster full of his recruits and at best will finish 7-5 plus a marginal bowl game... how does that show his recruiting is so astronomically off the charts that you use it as 3 of the 5 main reasons why he's not under fire? (I'm not saying he should be under fire, just pointing out why I think your reasoning is flawed.)
On top of that, remember at the beginning of the season how many "experts" were saying how asu is so much bigger than they have been, and they "look the part" this season, etc etc etc. How's that worked out for them? I don't follow recruiting closely because I think it's silly, so maybe I'm extra sensitive to the subject, but all I hear from asu fans and Phoenix sports talk shows is that asu's recruiting is so great, but the results don't show it.
It may be arbitrary but thats not to say it isn't real in the mind of average Joe fan and low-information, but large wallet booster.
If there were rumors swirling about Graham being on his way out the door, I would you would expect there to be a similar reaction to what you are seeing on here. And people can keep harping on their 4-5 season all they want; the difference between their record and ours (aside from having one more game remaining) is that ASU actually scheduled one real team on their OOC; had we played A&M instead of UTSA we'd be sitting with 4 wins and in need of a miracle finish to become bowl eligible. The 2 BCS conference teams we have beaten this season combined for 1 win.Chicat wrote:The heat RR is catching is definitely related to the relocation rumors, but there are more than a few right here on this board who are ready to move on largely because of how shitty our recruiting still is and the lack of depth on the current team.
I think they'd laugh and say 'why would I be forced to coach either one'?Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:As you point out, the two recruiting classes that ASU fans are touting are '14 and '15. Any program that expects true freshman to come in an contribute are usually in trouble. So no, the results on the field are not reflecting improved recruiting because those recruits are still new to football at this level.Luuuuuuuute wrote:I hate hearing people talk about how well Graham is recruiting. It's all just based on arbitrary rankings, and 99% of the people who tout it have no idea who any of the kids are and/or have never seen them play, they're just repeating a talking point based on an arbitrary rating system. So Graham had the #17 class in 2014 and 2015 (according to Scout), how's that improved the team? Their regular season win total has decreased in both seasons following those "stellar classes." This year, asu's class isn't even ranked, so is his recruiting falling off now?Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:1. Coached ASU to back to back 10 win seasons for first time in 30 years.Chicat wrote:But beyond them not winning a natty and not having the greatest team to ever grace the earth, 4-5 in year four is pretty awful. Why is Graham getting a pass but RR largely is not? Isn't ASSU a football school?
2. Recruiting
3. Graham has been a program builder at ASU. Since his arrival, ASU is fundraising and investing in facilities at unprecedented levels (for ASU).
4. Recruiting
5. Recruiting
In other words, regardless of this poor season, ASU is on a real upswing from where it was. How is RR catching heat? Sounds more like he is the center of relocation speculation, but I haven't seen anyone calling for him to be fired.
(Also, not sure if true, but I read somewhere last night that ASU has not lost a single it was favored in this year. Keep in mind, Vegas had ASU as a 7-5 team prior to this season.)
It's just such an inexact science that it's silly for people to simply say "asu's recruiting has improved greatly!" Graham has a roster full of his recruits and at best will finish 7-5 plus a marginal bowl game... how does that show his recruiting is so astronomically off the charts that you use it as 3 of the 5 main reasons why he's not under fire? (I'm not saying he should be under fire, just pointing out why I think your reasoning is flawed.)
On top of that, remember at the beginning of the season how many "experts" were saying how asu is so much bigger than they have been, and they "look the part" this season, etc etc etc. How's that worked out for them? I don't follow recruiting closely because I think it's silly, so maybe I'm extra sensitive to the subject, but all I hear from asu fans and Phoenix sports talk shows is that asu's recruiting is so great, but the results don't show it.
Btw, neither of ASU's classes the last couple of seasons were ranked at the beginning of November either. ASU fills up their classes closer to signing day. Building a legit contender takes several years, if not an entire decade or more. ASU's roster is getting bigger, faster, and more athletic every year. Does that mean they have arrived? Absolutely not.
Let me ask you a hypothetical question: If you were to force Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh, or Urban Meyer to coach the roster of ASU or UA (all other factors removed), which roster do you think they would choose?
Lucas hasn't even been recruited by arizona in a while. Harry is a good pickup. Our recruiting isn't even close to done yet3goggles wrote:So they are 4-5 and have landed to states top 2 players! We are losing recruits but the are gaining them with there shitty ass season! Wtf!
Are you implying UA didn't want Lucas? or that UA stopped recruiting him because there was no interest on his part?catinfl wrote:Lucas hasn't even been recruited by arizona in a while. Harry is a good pickup. Our recruiting isn't even close to done yet3goggles wrote:So they are 4-5 and have landed to states top 2 players! We are losing recruits but the are gaining them with there shitty ass season! Wtf!
A little bit of both. Arizona had higher targets on the board and Lucas was flirting, but the staff didn't want to chase a kid who was probably going elsewhere.Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:Are you implying UA didn't want Lucas? or that UA stopped recruiting him because there was no interest on his part?catinfl wrote:Lucas hasn't even been recruited by arizona in a while. Harry is a good pickup. Our recruiting isn't even close to done yet3goggles wrote:So they are 4-5 and have landed to states top 2 players! We are losing recruits but the are gaining them with there shitty ass season! Wtf!
What names are still out there that we are pushing for?catinfl wrote:Lucas hasn't even been recruited by arizona in a while. Harry is a good pickup. Our recruiting isn't even close to done yet3goggles wrote:So they are 4-5 and have landed to states top 2 players! We are losing recruits but the are gaining them with there shitty ass season! Wtf!
From everything I have read we are are not looking solid with anyone at the level of the two in state guys ASU picked up. Only highly sought after guys we are close on is Stovall and Burton, but those are a LONG shot. Meanwhile ASU could potentially land 4 of the top 5 state players with the two Murphy's.3goggles wrote:What names are still out there that we are pushing for?catinfl wrote:Lucas hasn't even been recruited by arizona in a while. Harry is a good pickup. Our recruiting isn't even close to done yet3goggles wrote:So they are 4-5 and have landed to states top 2 players! We are losing recruits but the are gaining them with there shitty ass season! Wtf!
If that happens it will piss me off more than the disappointment of the season.gronk4heisman wrote:From everything I have read we are are not looking solid with anyone at the level of the two in state guys ASU picked up. Only highly sought after guys we are close on is Stovall and Burton, but those are a LONG shot. Meanwhile ASU could potentially land 4 of the top 5 state players with the two Murphy's.3goggles wrote:What names are still out there that we are pushing for?catinfl wrote:Lucas hasn't even been recruited by arizona in a while. Harry is a good pickup. Our recruiting isn't even close to done yet3goggles wrote:So they are 4-5 and have landed to states top 2 players! We are losing recruits but the are gaining them with there shitty ass season! Wtf!
Byron Murphy - toss up between ASU and A&M. Probably a slight lean to ASUHarvey Specter wrote:If that happens it will piss me off more than the disappointment of the season.gronk4heisman wrote:From everything I have read we are are not looking solid with anyone at the level of the two in state guys ASU picked up. Only highly sought after guys we are close on is Stovall and Burton, but those are a LONG shot. Meanwhile ASU could potentially land 4 of the top 5 state players with the two Murphy's.3goggles wrote:What names are still out there that we are pushing for?catinfl wrote:Lucas hasn't even been recruited by arizona in a while. Harry is a good pickup. Our recruiting isn't even close to done yet3goggles wrote:So they are 4-5 and have landed to states top 2 players! We are losing recruits but the are gaining them with there shitty ass season! Wtf!![]()
Last I heard Byron was aTm bound and Connor was an Oregon lean. That was a while ago, though.
Shouldn't this be in the 'ASSU is a clown school thread', or the 'fuck ASU' thread?catinfl wrote:Went to DD to see how they were reacting to Norvell and here was a shortlist posted for the new OC
Short list for new OC:
Danny white
Jon gruden
Bill cowher
Rudy carpenter
I lol'd at Cowher and Gruden
catgrad97 wrote:Hell, I'd lol at Danny White. Dude is one of the dumbest former pro quarterbacks who still thinks he can coach.
Rudy Carpenter was your fourth sign the list was a joke. ASU fans generally hate that guy.SCCats wrote:What, no lol for Rudy Carpenter?
They do? Why?Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:Rudy Carpenter was your fourth sign the list was a joke. ASU fans generally hate that guy.SCCats wrote:What, no lol for Rudy Carpenter?
He is a super douche, always has been really. Wasn't liked by his teammates when at ASU, very self-centered, soft, and is seemingly always looking to get publicity at the detriment of ASU football.Chicat wrote:They do? Why?Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:Rudy Carpenter was your fourth sign the list was a joke. ASU fans generally hate that guy.SCCats wrote:What, no lol for Rudy Carpenter?
Sounds like a perfect fit for the ASSu coaching staff.Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:He is a super douche, always has been really. Wasn't liked by his teammates when at ASU, very self-centered, soft, and is seemingly always looking to get publicity at the detriment of ASU football.Chicat wrote:They do? Why?Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:Rudy Carpenter was your fourth sign the list was a joke. ASU fans generally hate that guy.SCCats wrote:What, no lol for Rudy Carpenter?
Definitely not an OKG.azgreg wrote:Sounds like a perfect fit for the ASSu coaching staff.Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:He is a super douche, always has been really. Wasn't liked by his teammates when at ASU, very self-centered, soft, and is seemingly always looking to get publicity at the detriment of ASU football.Chicat wrote:They do? Why?Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:Rudy Carpenter was your fourth sign the list was a joke. ASU fans generally hate that guy.SCCats wrote:What, no lol for Rudy Carpenter?
That just described every asu qb since Danny WhiteScummy Dick Douglas wrote:He is a super douche, always has been really. Wasn't liked by his teammates when at ASU, very self-centered, soft, and is seemingly always looking to get publicity at the detriment of ASU football.Chicat wrote:They do? Why?Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:Rudy Carpenter was your fourth sign the list was a joke. ASU fans generally hate that guy.SCCats wrote:What, no lol for Rudy Carpenter?
Should make him president of the school.Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:a super douche,Chicat wrote:They do? Why?Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:Rudy Carpenter was your fourth sign the list was a joke. ASU fans generally hate that guy.SCCats wrote:What, no lol for Rudy Carpenter?
very self-centered
soft
No. Watch his last year or two as QB at ASU, and you will notice little things... teammates not helping him off the ground after getting sacked/hit, teammates keeping their distance from him on the sidelines. Rudy Carpenter loves him some Rudy Carpenter.krissyp wrote:Oh I thought he was recently disliked because he was the first to expose the truth about Bo.
No. I have known about his douchebaggery since he was a freshman at ASU. Someone above asked why. I answered.CalStateTempe wrote:So what your saying that the your finding out what we already knew about rudy carpenter.
ASUHATER! wrote:That just described every asu qb since before[/] Danny WhiteScummy Dick Douglas wrote:He is a super douche, always has been really. Wasn't liked by his teammates when at ASU, very self-centered, soft, and is seemingly always looking to get publicity at the detriment of ASU football.Chicat wrote:They do? Why?Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:Rudy Carpenter was your fourth sign the list was a joke. ASU fans generally hate that guy.SCCats wrote:What, no lol for Rudy Carpenter?