Conference Realignment

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:17 pm

Jesus, get over it you gigantic baby.

FreeSpiritCat · Post by **FreeSpiritCat** » Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:21 pm

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:13 pm again FUCK CONFERENCE REALIGNMENT

I am sure some will misinterpret that so here you go. I am glad UA landed in the Big 12. It was needed. But the entire thing fucking blows. FUCK CONFERENCE REALIGNMENT

You can blame Larry Scott for this. Anyone could see this coming because of how poorly the conference was run.

As an example: The Pac-12 network that wasn't available on most streaming services, and DirecTV. And then all these late games that won't be seen by the general public.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:26 pm

Catintheheat wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:21 pm
PHXCATS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:13 pm again FUCK CONFERENCE REALIGNMENT

I am sure some will misinterpret that so here you go. I am glad UA landed in the Big 12. It was needed. But the entire thing fucking blows. FUCK CONFERENCE REALIGNMENT
You can blame Larry Scott for this. Anyone could see this coming because of how poorly the conference was run.

As an example: The Pac-12 network that wasn't available on most streaming services, and DirecTV. And then all these late games that won't be seen by the general public.

Larry Scott by no means help but this is far bigger than him. Texas and Oklahoma moving to the SEC was the big thing. That helped espn big time and fox needed to make moves to counteract

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:04 pm

84Cat wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 10:55 am

So if the court ruling doesn't go their way will they just be independent schools?

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:28 pm

AZCatGirl wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:04 pm
84Cat wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 10:55 am

So if the court ruling doesn't go their way will they just be independent schools?

Not at all

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sat Dec 02, 2023 10:35 am

There is a WWE belt painted on the field today at the Big XII title game. Wow

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Dec 02, 2023 11:23 am

https://www.wwe.com/article/big-12-conf ... ampionship

IRVING, Texas and STAMFORD, Conn., November 16, 2023 – Today, the Big 12 Conference announced a collaboration with WWE for the upcoming 2023 Dr Pepper Big 12 Football Championship on Saturday, December 2, held at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

Through this partnership, the Big 12 and WWE will introduce a custom-made championship title belt for this year’s Big 12 Football Championship Most Outstanding Player, presented on-field at the conclusion of the game by a WWE Superstar. Additionally, a co-branded WWE x Big 12 logo will be featured throughout the venue and on the field.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Dec 02, 2023 12:47 pm

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 10:35 am There is a WWE belt painted on the field today at the Big XII title game. Wow

Which has nothing to do with realignment except crybabies gonna cry.

wyo-cat · Post by **wyo-cat** » Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:21 pm

We reaching for the belt next year mother fuckers!!

Cool.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:37 am

TheCatInTheHat · Post by **TheCatInTheHat** » Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:59 am

You can make a case that there's a cohort with Arizona, ASU, Utah, BYU, and Colorado. 4 were together in the WAC, 4 were together in the Pac, and 5 will be together in the Big XII. Not big enough to be a conference, but it makes the transition easier when you've got familiar faces, if not friends, with you when you start at a new school, or in this case conference. At this point it's not a divisional thing, but it makes sense to play your rival annually, and to play the geographically closest teams most often to minimize travel costs. Beyond that, we'll see a nice rotation of teams that should keep things fairly fresh. In football and men's basketball, we'll be playing big-time teams in big-time stadia on big-time TV. If the Olympic sports which the Pac maybe over-emphasized a little bit aren't quite up to par with what it was in that soon-to-be-defunct league, I know I can certainly live with it.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:57 pm

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:59 pm

Lol

That’s like when my college gf told me, it take two to get together it takes two to break up.

Lol

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:57 am

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:12 am

Merkin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:57 am

I'm hoping the BigXII basketball tournament follows suit

KillerKlown · Post by **KillerKlown** » Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:12 pm

Vegas is just sitting out there all dark and lonely without a conference (g5 doesn't count). Why shouldn't the BIG12 just come along and give it a home? It's the entertainment capital of the US. It makes perfect sense for it to be covered in BIG12 Basketball branding during early March.

BBQ wildcat · Post by **BBQ wildcat** » Fri Dec 15, 2023 5:27 pm

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/court-ruli ... 17102.html

Court ruling gives Oregon State and Washington State control of the Pac-12

Good!

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 12:57 pm

Don't like Chip Kelly, but he is 100% spot on.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 2:05 pm

Interesting

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 2:08 pm

Feel bad for Gonzaga basketball. They get the same joys in playing them as we did.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 2:13 pm

Pullman to Spokane is 75 miles. Although Corvallis is 425 miles away. The big question remains what will become of Gonzaga once Few retires

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 4:57 pm

84Cat wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 2:13 pm Pullman to Spokane is 75 miles. Although Corvallis is 425 miles away. The big question remains what will become of Gonzaga once Few retires

After an enormous offer to Tommy? Who knows.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:11 pm

Does Tommy fly fish? Not sure why he would even consider Spokane and Gonzaga over Tucson and UA.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:34 am

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:25 am

Merkin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:11 pm Does Tommy fly fish? Not sure why he would even consider Spokane and Gonzaga over Tucson and UA.

Well he was born and raised in Washington and spent 20 years at Gonzaga so I could see the allure, hopefully he and his family are loving it in Tucson and from everything I have heard they are.

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:40 pm

This is the same person who posted realignment leaks before, and has recently been tweeting about the ACC issue along with some other wild sounding rumors.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:49 pm

AZCatGirl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:40 pm some other wild sounding rumors.

The ACC/BigXII merger talk? I’ve seen similar from others. Always struck me more of an ACC fever dream and attempt to keep FSU in the fold.

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:58 pm

Chicat wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:49 pm
AZCatGirl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:40 pm some other wild sounding rumors.
The ACC/BigXII merger talk? I’ve seen similar from others. Always struck me more of an ACC fever dream and attempt to keep FSU in the fold.

Not just that, but he's also saying the Pac 2 could be involved and possible shuffling of schools between conferences? Kinda hard to take these rumors seriously, but really hoping 2024 is off to a good start with Kliavkoff finally getting canned.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Wed Jan 03, 2024 6:27 pm

TheCatInTheHat · Post by **TheCatInTheHat** » Sun Jan 28, 2024 4:15 pm

I'm enjoying the progression of the detachment process from the Pac-12.

There were issues from the beginning. Kingmakers USC and UCLA wanted us in, with the idea that they'd eventually be able to force out WSU and OSU for a new Pac-8. Ironically, both of those schools went along with them, along with tie-breaker Oregon, which at the time was pretty similar to WSU and OSU. They probably figured we'd be teams they'd have a better chance to beat. But the Bay Area schools and Washington were always a hard no. Unknown how much of it had to do with ASU's academics and how it would have gone it we'd been paired with a Colorado. But, those three never had any particular use for us, and the Bay Area schools always had outsized influence with the league office in their backyard.

We had a pretty successful last go-round in football and we seem to have landed on our feet with our coaching transition. And now we're doing pretty well in hoops, and we're done with (men's) basketball trips to the PNW and Bay. Regardless of what happens as the non-revenue sports drag on into the summer, for the Big Two sports, the finale will be in Vegas, and I think that'll feel pretty much like the symbolic finale for the league. So, RIP Pac, and we can throw a baby shower for the new version of the Big XII.

TheCatInTheHat · Post by **TheCatInTheHat** » Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:51 pm

I'm also looking forward to being able to step down a tier in the next few months and say adios to the Pac-12 nets. Guess we'll all have to reacquaint ourselves with streaming the more obscure contests, if we really care about them, rather than casually flipping them on until they typically become blowouts. Maybe the Big XII will eventually do something like the Big Ten/SEC/ACC Networks, with a single channel for overflow games and conference promotion. I've noticed that those networks often have decent games on (even if replays) at "off" times, unlike the Pac-12 (unless you really like gymnastics, etc.) So, Stanford and UCLA's zillions of titles in tiddly-winks will no longer be used to hype the Pac as the "conference of champions," complete with all the pretty scenery and the public service announcements. As a Big XII newbie, I've noticed how many of their games are on ESPN2. That'll work just fine for me.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:02 pm

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... ourselves/

This is only going to speed up the demise of whats left of the "Have-Nots" that are not one of the 34.

Congress needs to step in while we still have something resembling college football

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:19 pm

dmjcat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:02 pm https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... ourselves/

This is only going to speed up the demise of whats left of the "Have-Nots" that are not one of the 34.

Congress needs to step in while we still have something resembling college football

Why would congress step in?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:44 am

AZCatGirl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:40 pm This is the same person who posted realignment leaks before, and has recently been tweeting about the ACC issue along with some other wild sounding rumors.

FWIW he's also been talking about something I've heard about, which is the involvement of TKO as a private equity booster to the Big 12. Don't know if it indeed is going to happen, but they would probably be the only private equity option that would ever make sense due to their knowledge, connections, and ability to promote sports. If the Big12 were to ever remotely catch up to the SEC/B1G it'd have to be with help from someone with the influence of TKO.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Feb 06, 2024 4:05 pm

Every day there seems to be media news that suggests Apple could have worked.

Arizona had to move once Washington and Oregon did. But damn maybe the PAC-12 could have survived and done pretty well

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:55 pm

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:00 pm

What took so long?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:30 pm

azgreg wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:00 pm What took so long?

Waiting for the Titanic to hit the ocean floor first.

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:33 pm

I'm curious what new leadership for a dead conference is going to look like.

TheCat · Post by **TheCat** » Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:59 am

Quite frankly I don't think the SEC/BIG can breakaway from college football and make as much money. They are the big boys now but the rooting interest is less than 1/3 of the country. If other conferences froze them out in all sports for out of the conference games who would really be interested in some of their games? Who would recognize them as the champions of any sport when they didn't play other really good teams?

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:26 am

TheCat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:59 am Quite frankly I don't think the SEC/BIG can breakaway from college football and make as much money. They are the big boys now but the rooting interest is less than 1/3 of the country.
If other conferences froze them out in all sports for out of the conference games who would really be interested in some of their games? Who would recognize them as the champions of any sport when they didn't play other really good teams?

Television.

End. Of. Story.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:46 am

pc in NM wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:26 am
TheCat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:59 am Quite frankly I don't think the SEC/BIG can breakaway from college football and make as much money. They are the big boys now but the rooting interest is less than 1/3 of the country.
If other conferences froze them out in all sports for out of the conference games who would really be interested in some of their games? Who would recognize them as the champions of any sport when they didn't play other really good teams?

Television.

End. Of. Story.

Anti-trust lawsuits.

End. Of. Story.

The SEC/B1G breakaway is a fantasy. It's not even something they're pushing for. They will have every thing they want already once the ACC goes down in the dumps.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:48 am

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 4:05 pm Every day there seems to be media news that suggests Apple could have worked.

Hahahahaha what? What media news out there has suggested that Apple would have worked for the Pac-12?

The most irrelevant streamer for the most irrelevant power 5 conference. A match made in a pile of shit. Nothing has changed. Netflix is still the only streaming service that is making any sort of money. Peacock/Amazon's streams have been successful only when the NFL is involved. You think Arizona is ignored nationally now? Whew. Just imagine a Pac-10 solely on Apple. Good lord what a catastrophe that would've been.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:16 pm

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:24 pm

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:29 pm

Will the corporate conference room be a cubicle?

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:43 pm

First job - find some white out to go over the 1 on the PAC-12 logo.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:45 pm

I would like to introduce to you the new captain of the Titanic...............

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:55 pm

At least she'll have a huge pot of cash to work with.

TheCat · Post by **TheCat** » Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:48 pm

Merkin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:55 pm At least she'll have a huge pot of cash to work with.

She will have tons and all the PAC-12 assets. Don't forget that basketball money is paid out for 6 years and she has all of it now for any team that has made it to the tourney and they won't be happy to share and they shouldn't be.

Here is the rule "The Basketball Performance Fund is distributed to active Division I conferences based on their performance in the Division I Men's Basketball Championship over a six-year rolling period. Independent institutions earn unit(s) based on their championship participation within a six-year rolling period."

That is a ton of money. Also a conference has 2 years to reconstitute itself if it falls below a certain number of teams. I'm not sure what the criteria is for the new playoff in football is but they are technically a power 5 conference and if the winner gets to go to the college football championship they might be a participant.

They are smarter than the presidents have been and it has already gone to court.

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