Bear Down Wildcats

Chicat wrote:From 1949 to 1959 when the debate over whether ASU would become a full-fledged state sanctioned university took place and then ASU eventually did become one, the Sun Devils won 8 out of 11 head-to-head matchups against the Wildcats. So obviously not getting comparable funding didn't hold them back one bit on the field. Then after becoming a state university, they proceeded to lose the next 4 out of 5 to the Wildcats.

So yeah, still seems like an arbitrary date to pick. Funding equality didn't seem to have any bearing on results on the field.

I agree. As far as I'm concerned whenever our boys and their boys suited up we have won more often than not. Good enough for me.

devilswin99 wrote:In order for TG to get a offer from a better school than ASU, he would need to have a pretty big season, so if we can do Rose Bowl or something equal, I am ready to make that trade. All Richey Rod needs to do is make the Las Vegas Bowl and he will be gone.

RR has said he wants to retire in Tucson.. Has TG said anything along those lines? He'll be gone once an offer from a SEC school comes along.

Salty wrote:
It's all in the book. Any look at engineering or basically any graduate or undergraduate major, and you'll notice a complete dominance of American universities. A quick look at graduation numbers shows that China may graduate more students with a population four times the size of the United States, however, a closer inspection of the data reveals that a large majority of the "engineering" students graduated from technical programs in non-accrediated schools, like what you would find at DeVry or University of Phoenix, and these students are not qualified to preform anything other than basic manufacturing duties.

The United States graduates more students in engineering than China, Japan, India, etc, even with the disparity in population and your statement on American Universities needing masters degrees is simply not true. American educated engineers are more informed, qualified, and preform better in the open market than their foreign educated counterparts. And that is unlikely to change for the foreseeable future.

http://www.studyabroad.careers360.com/t ... world-2014

The top 5 are all in the USA and 35/100 are American. That's complete and utter dominance.

You're obfuscating.

University rankings are not part of this discussion. We are talking about whether the US education system educates the population better or worse than other countries'. University rankings by and large focus on graduate programs, and so far in this discussion my point has been that pre-university and in undergraduate programs, the US is lagging behind our modern rivals. Our research universities are indeed top notch, so I will not argue that point with you. But trust me, you can get an undergraduate degree from a great research university, and it may be worth less than the paper it's printed on.

Speaking of raw numbers of university students graduated is meaningless, as you've pointed out in your attempt to rebut my China example. I'm glad we agree on that, because I could flip your argument and say that, since the US admits about 50% of it's secondary school graduates to university we cannot compare to a continental European or eastern Asian system which only admits 10% of their graduating secondary students to university, right?

But in the end, the US education system is an embarrassment. We are the wealthiest nation in the world, and there is absolutely no reason why our kids should be lagging behind any others. We need to funnel more resources, both financial and human, into education -- it's the best investment we can make in the long term future of the country.

EDIT: and I've forgotten why we started a discussion on education in a thread devoted to a polyester-wearing Neanderthal...

azgreg wrote:

Chicat wrote:From 1949 to 1959 when the debate over whether ASU would become a full-fledged state sanctioned university took place and then ASU eventually did become one, the Sun Devils won 8 out of 11 head-to-head matchups against the Wildcats. So obviously not getting comparable funding didn't hold them back one bit on the field. Then after becoming a state university, they proceeded to lose the next 4 out of 5 to the Wildcats.

So yeah, still seems like an arbitrary date to pick. Funding equality didn't seem to have any bearing on results on the field.

I agree. As far as I'm concerned whenever our boys and their boys suited up we have won more often than not. Good enough for me.

Unless you were an ASSU fan Chi. Then it means something to you. Wear it proudly scummie dick

Puerco wrote:

Salty wrote:
It's all in the book. Any look at engineering or basically any graduate or undergraduate major, and you'll notice a complete dominance of American universities. A quick look at graduation numbers shows that China may graduate more students with a population four times the size of the United States, however, a closer inspection of the data reveals that a large majority of the "engineering" students graduated from technical programs in non-accrediated schools, like what you would find at DeVry or University of Phoenix, and these students are not qualified to preform anything other than basic manufacturing duties.

The United States graduates more students in engineering than China, Japan, India, etc, even with the disparity in population and your statement on American Universities needing masters degrees is simply not true. American educated engineers are more informed, qualified, and preform better in the open market than their foreign educated counterparts. And that is unlikely to change for the foreseeable future.

http://www.studyabroad.careers360.com/t ... world-2014

The top 5 are all in the USA and 35/100 are American. That's complete and utter dominance.

You're obfuscating.

University rankings are not part of this discussion. We are talking about whether the US education system educates the population better or worse than other countries'. University rankings by and large focus on graduate programs, and so far in this discussion my point has been that pre-university and in undergraduate programs, the US is lagging behind our modern rivals. Our research universities are indeed top notch, so I will not argue that point with you. But trust me, you can get an undergraduate degree from a great research university, and it may be worth less than the paper it's printed on.

Speaking of raw numbers of university students graduated is meaningless, as you've pointed out in your attempt to rebut my China example. I'm glad we agree on that, because I could flip your argument and say that, since the US admits about 50% of it's secondary school graduates to university we cannot compare to a continental European or eastern Asian system which only admits 10% of their graduating secondary students to university, right?

But in the end, the US education system is an embarrassment. We are the wealthiest nation in the world, and there is absolutely no reason why our kids should be lagging behind any others. We need to funnel more resources, both financial and human, into education -- it's the best investment we can make in the long term future of the country.

EDIT: and I've forgotten why we started a discussion on education in a thread devoted to a polyester-wearing Neanderthal...

Agree.

Let's stick to hating on Graham.

TG saying he has the best backup in the country....

Another best for the Cracka.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/c ... /16124967/

I call BS again. I think he is just trying to get teams to prepare for 2 QBs.

That guy is so slimy.

Mora: "I’m sure they’re assuming that Brett is going to play. That’s what I’d be doing. And I’m nowhere near the coach that Todd Graham is."

MrBug708 wrote:Mora: "I’m sure they’re assuming that Brett is going to play. That’s what I’d be doing. And I’m nowhere near the coach that Todd Graham is."

why

UAEebs86 wrote:http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/c ... /16124967/

I call BS again. I think he is just trying to get teams to prepare for 2 QBs.

Total BS. Kelly broke something in his foot. Out 3-4 weeks at a minimum. and then how good can he be after that? Mobility is what kept teams honest with Kelly.

whatisee wrote:

UAEebs86 wrote:http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/c ... /16124967/

I call BS again. I think he is just trying to get teams to prepare for 2 QBs.

Total BS. Kelly broke something in his foot. Out 3-4 weeks at a minimum. and then how good can he be after that? Mobility is what kept teams honest with Kelly.

Coach Graham is currently in his garage trying to figure out how to put cleats on the bottom of a walking boot as we speak!

Standing right next to Graham in Odogg's lineup of hate, is Mora.

Mike Berco is the best backup QB that he's ever coached! Well until next year at least.

Olsondogg wrote:Standing right next to Graham in Odogg's lineup of hate, is Mora.

The thing I like best about Jim Mora Jr. is his disdain of Todd Graham.

Mora is the antithesis of Graham as a person

Olsondogg wrote:Standing right next to Graham in Odogg's lineup of hate, is Mora.

Why?

I like Mora. I laughed when I read that quote. Good to see other coaches hating on Cracka.

MrBug708 wrote:Mora is the antithesis of Graham as a person

Do you know either coach personally?

Hey Everyone! First time post!

I'm so glad that asu took their time and was so selective when it came to their coach hiring process. They really found the right guy for them-THE BEST GUY if you will.

Looking forward to a fun game tonight. Go Bruins!

Olsondogg wrote:

Does he always sport the wristbands? What the hell?

the real dill wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:

Does he always sport the wristbands? What the hell?

He supposedly uses them in play calling. You will see him move them from arm to arm, yellow above maroon, etc.

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:

the real dill wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:

Does he always sport the wristbands? What the hell?

He supposedly uses them in play calling. You will see him move them from arm to arm, yellow above maroon, etc.

After the second interception last night, he was seen of the sideline switching the order of the colored wristbands on his arm thinking they would make a comeback.

Question - What color wristband does he use for the "Hill Mary Pass"?

I'm not smart enough to embed this, but it's hilarious:

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the real dill wrote:I'm not smart enough to embed this, but it's hilarious:

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That's great!

Christian Westerman, former 4 star recruit and able to bench over 500 lbs. Dumb as a box of rocks.

MountainCat wrote:

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:

the real dill wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:

Does he always sport the wristbands? What the hell?

He supposedly uses them in play calling. You will see him move them from arm to arm, yellow above maroon, etc.

After the second interception last night, he was seen of the sideline switching the order of the colored wristbands on his arm thinking they would make a comeback.

Question - What color wristband does he use for the "Hill Mary Pass"?

That's like me switching seats in the 4th quarter against Cal thinking we would make a comeback. Except, it worked for me and you are all welcome.

Hey I did the same thing GFY, and it did work.

Last night was the most scored by an opponent in SDS history.

Another best for the Cracka!!!

Puerco wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:Standing right next to Graham in Odogg's lineup of hate, is Mora.

Why?

I like Mora. I laughed when I read that quote. Good to see other coaches hating on Cracka.

Cause he's an asshole. A different type of asshole than TG, but an asshole in his own right.

Olsondogg wrote:

Puerco wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:Standing right next to Graham in Odogg's lineup of hate, is Mora.

Why?

I like Mora. I laughed when I read that quote. Good to see other coaches hating on Cracka.

Cause he's an asshole. A different type of asshole than TG, but an asshole in his own right.

How is he an asshole? Honest question. Never heard Mora described that way.

Bruins01 wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:

Puerco wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:Standing right next to Graham in Odogg's lineup of hate, is Mora.

Why?

I like Mora. I laughed when I read that quote. Good to see other coaches hating on Cracka.

Cause he's an asshole. A different type of asshole than TG, but an asshole in his own right.

How is he an asshole? Honest question. Never heard Mora described that way.

Neither have I. Never heard Graham described any other way!

Go Cats!!

Just a few examples:

http://deadspin.com/5947902/jim-mora-jr-is-an-asshole



http://vimeo.com/104988985

http://www.sportsgrid.com/ncaa-football ... c-murders/

http://www.insidesocal.com/ucla/2013/09 ... -on-phone/

http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com ... -at-people

That was a thoroughly unconvincing case. TJ Simers should not be considered a reliable source, but he's the source for two of your links. Another claims that he "joked" about the murders near USC's campus but I really don't think that was supposed to be a joke. The third is about the press conference in which he yelled at a guy talking on the phone, which he was universally lauded for doing, since the press conference was regarding the death of Nick Pasquale. Do you really not remember when that happened? Read the comments at your link and at the story on Deadspin: http://deadspin.com/jim-mora-jr-flips-o ... 1279358465

And yelling at ball boys? Seriously? I have never had a coach in my entire life who didn't yell that way during the heat of a game.

Come on, man.

You stated you've never heard him called an asshole. The title of the first link on Deadspin is "Jim Mora is an asshole".

I could have rested my case there.

Continue the slow stroke on your coach there...it's only a matter of time before he is run out of uCla.

Olsondogg wrote:You stated you've never heard him called an asshole. The title of the first link on Deadspin is "Jim Mora is an asshole".

I could have rested my case there.

Continue the slow stroke on your coach there...it's only a matter of time before he is run out of uCla.

Haha

MrBug708 wrote:

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MrBug708 wrote:

Me John, Big Tree!

MrBug708 wrote:

Walk Like an Egyptian...

MrBug708 wrote:

"Going on Dancing With The Stars is my dream job."

MountainCat wrote:

MrBug708 wrote:

This gif needs it's own thread and ask for the best caption.

If do right, no can defense.

-Mr. Miyagi

TG married the joker, apparently...

Olsondogg wrote:TG married the joker, apparently...

You could watch an IMAX on that dome.

Olsondogg wrote:TG married the joker, apparently...

You could watch an IMAX on that dome.

Olsondogg wrote:TG married the joker, apparently...

Ugh did you watch that garbage too? What a mess and she sure does have that televangelist's wife role down pat.

"I hate to come in here and say we beat ourselves, but we really did," ASU coach Todd Graham said.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/c ... /19636171/

F U and your Britney headset and your sweatbands CTG.

You classless bitch Brittney. You got the same gift TD'S we did. In fact I would say ours came off of good plays not botched plays.

What a dickhead

azcat49 wrote:You classless bitch Brittney. You got the same gift TD'S we did. In fact I would say ours came off of good plays not botched plays.

What a dickhead

Exactly true.

We FORCED their turnovers with good plays, and blocked a punt through another good play.

They were GIFTED turnovers by our offense (anu's botched fake handoff thing) and special teams (hello muffed punt catch), and GIFTED great field position on a shanked punt.

So... FUCK toad graham and fuck assu!

Impossible to say "we beat ourselves" when you NEVER led.

Moron. I'd say Graham failed to win that press conference.

I don't want to hear any more ASU fans trying to lecture us about class after that joke of a postgame presser.

Even RichRod gave props to ASU's effort tonight. DW99, you backed the wrong horse.

PieceOfMeat wrote:

azcat49 wrote:You classless bitch Brittney. You got the same gift TD'S we did. In fact I would say ours came off of good plays not botched plays.

What a dickhead

Exactly true.

We FORCED their turnovers with good plays, and blocked a punt through another good play.

They were GIFTED turnovers by our offense (anu's botched fake handoff thing) and special teams (hello muffed punt catch), and GIFTED great field position on a shanked punt.

So... FUCK toad graham and fuck assu!

I rarely ever wade over into the cesspool that is DD, but this was a classic:

asusundevil23 Posted: Today 3:08 PM

It's halftime, Anyone Honestly Believe......
...that ASU isn't the superior team? AU is relying on huge, borderline fluke, plays to stay in the game. If Novell realizes Kelly's deficiencies and runs the ball down the rat's throat, we'll run away with Thia game. RUN THE EFFING BALL NORVELL!



What do you call the other team's QB dropping the ball twice on the same play inside the 10 and the punt returner dropping a ball inside the 10 he was told to get away from if it was in the sun?

But our score were flukes?