Jedd Fisch- Traveling Used Car Salesman / Coach For Hire

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:03 pm

Merkin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:59 pm
azgreg wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:21 pm
Merkin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:59 pm But what's the buyout for each party? I guess the UA owes him 50% if fired without cause like the other head coaches.

But how much does it cost Fisch to leave? He hasn't stayed at any job more than 3 years has he?
How many head coaching jobs has he left?
Pretty hard to leave a job you never had.

He was asked multiple times about the stops when he was hired. Most were not his decision. Others were a means to get to his goal of being a head coach. He'll be here three years, maybe more. We all know that Arizona is a stepping stone school and if he's poached by a bigger name program it will be a result of rebuilding Arizona and I'll be OK with it.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:10 pm

I agree that UA FB is not a terminal destination like the MBB program is, but last time UA was a stepping stone for a football coach was Larry Smith. Then it was a terminal destination for a different reason, although Tomey and RichRod eventually did find head coaching positions elsewhere.

And if he does bring back the UA FB program and leaves for a bigger and better school, I will be just as pleased as anyone and wish nothing but the best for him.

As long he doesn't do a Larry Smith on his way out.

A head coach at Arizona moving up to a better program has about as much chance of happening as a UA QB does of making the NFL.

Carcassdragger · Post by **Carcassdragger** » Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:55 pm

I'd like for us to be like Utah. Their coach has stayed a long time.

CardiacCats97 · Post by **CardiacCats97** » Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:02 am

Merkin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:10 pm As long he doesn't do a Larry Smith on his way out.

With all the efforts that are undertaken to keep negotiations a secret, and with all the times coaches are asked to deny rumors about them leaving, the chances of us not feeling jilted when Jedd Lasso does leave us are about 0%.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:19 am

To think when Jedd was hired, 99% of this board hated the hire. Now we're talking about what if he leaves for a better job? How times have changed.

CardiacCats97 · Post by **CardiacCats97** » Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:45 am

Irish27 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:19 am To think when Jedd was hired, 99% of this board hated the hire. Now we're talking about what if he leaves for a better job? How times have changed.

Going from being the worst Power 5 team in the known universe to having a pulse and some hope will do that to you.

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:46 am

I am not completely sold as Jedd Fisch the coach, but Jedd Fisch the accumulator of talent is the best we have seen. I just hope the message doesn't grow stale and he and Nansen continue to learn on the job.

Basketcats · Post by **Basketcats** » Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:55 am

Irish27 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:19 am To think when Jedd was hired, 99% of this board hated the hire. Now we're talking about what if he leaves for a better job? How times have changed.

Still not 100% convinced he is the right guy for the job. I admit I was 100% against the hire the first season. 2nd season has made me soften my stance on the hire and now I am a solid 75% for it. 2023 will be the defining season. If he can mesh together a D like he did with the O then I am 100% sold. I think the extension was a year premature though. If they were going to do it based on performance, why not wait until seeing how the rebuild goes on both sides of the line and then extend for a significant length of time instead of a couple of years. It would justify opening up the wallet to pay big money and hopefully entice someone to hang around and want to continue coaching the Wildcats.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:52 am

Basketcats wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:55 am
Irish27 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:19 am To think when Jedd was hired, 99% of this board hated the hire. Now we're talking about what if he leaves for a better job? How times have changed.
Still not 100% convinced he is the right guy for the job. I admit I was 100% against the hire the first season. 2nd season has made me soften my stance on the hire and now I am a solid 75% for it. 2023 will be the defining season. If he can mesh together a D like he did with the O then I am 100% sold. I think the extension was a year premature though. If they were going to do it based on performance, why not wait until seeing how the rebuild goes on both sides of the line and then extend for a significant length of time instead of a couple of years. It would justify opening up the wallet to pay big money and hopefully entice someone to hang around and want to continue coaching the Wildcats.

Agree, if he can build off of last year then I'm definitely on board. If the D still isn't good next year and we still don't go to a bowl or lose to ASU or even win less games I'm off the bandwagon. Have to beat ASU and win 6-7 games before a bowl next year.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:12 am

Agree 100% on the extension being premature. They don't seem to to work out well for Arizona.

CardiacCats97 · Post by **CardiacCats97** » Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:26 am

Doesn’t ABOR have some rule about contracts being 5 years or less? Might be why we only tacked on a few years.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:05 am

CardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:26 am Doesn’t ABOR have some rule about contracts being 5 years or less? Might be why we only tacked on a few years.

Believe so.

The rule used to be one year. Lute would only have a year to year contract. And even then he was underpaid. When Mike Stoops came in, without a single day of head coaching experience, he made more than Lute did, who won a Natty.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:58 am

CardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:26 am Doesn’t ABOR have some rule about contracts being 5 years or less? Might be why we only tacked on a few years.

I believe it's 5 years for a head coach and 2 for an assistant.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:21 pm

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:44 pm

Quite the endorsement of our head man. Wonder how they can leverage that for recruiting?

tgrumpy2 · Post by **tgrumpy2** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:38 pm

azgreg wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:58 am
CardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:26 am Doesn’t ABOR have some rule about contracts being 5 years or less? Might be why we only tacked on a few years.
I believe it's 5 years for a head coach and 2 for an assistant.

If you were a University why would want to give a coach more than a five year contract? If you have to fire the person without cause you're just on the hook for a lot more money.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:42 pm

tgrumpy2 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:38 pm If you were a University why would want to give a coach more than a five year contract? If you have to fire the person without cause you're just on the hook for a lot more money.

Last UA football coach to not get fired was Larry Smith.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:01 pm

Looks like Fisch is putting the offseason efforts to the defense like he did the offense last year.

CardiacCats97 · Post by **CardiacCats97** » Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:30 pm

Jedd is working on going 3-0 for his career offseason record.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:12 am

Does Jedd run his social accounts or does he have an intern running it? Whoever it is is really good

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:36 am

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:23 pm

Shoulda trademarked it first Jedd.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:13 pm

Chicat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:23 pm Shoulda trademarked it first Jedd.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Sep 24, 2023 6:45 am

I'm starting to develop questions about Fisch as a coach.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Sep 24, 2023 6:54 am

Can you elaborate more on that Choo?

KaibabKat · Post by **KaibabKat** » Sun Sep 24, 2023 10:50 am

There will most likely be increasing questions, by an increasing number of people, every week from now thru Thanksgiving.

ProfessorFate · Post by **ProfessorFate** » Sun Sep 24, 2023 11:22 am

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 6:45 am I'm starting to develop questions about Fisch as a coach.

I don't have questions as far as him being head coach, but I do think it's obvious at this point that he shouldn't be calling the plays.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sun Sep 24, 2023 11:35 am

ProfessorFate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 11:22 am
ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 6:45 am I'm starting to develop questions about Fisch as a coach.
I don't have questions as far as him being head coach, but I do think it's obvious at this point that he shouldn't be calling the plays.

I am honestly asking. Why do you feel that way?

I think the settlement stuff hit JDL harder than expected. I wasn't able to watch the whole game but play calling was not an issue in what I watched yesterday or any point this year

OSUCat · Post by **OSUCat** » Sat Oct 07, 2023 11:48 pm

I fell like Fisch needs to get out of his own way with the cute play calling. Also not knowing the overtime rules is really not acceptable as a head coach in any sport.

KaibabKat · Post by **KaibabKat** » Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:30 am

7 - 20 vs. FBS schools.

Carcassdragger · Post by **Carcassdragger** » Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:43 am

Ever since Jedd took over I've never seen one game where our guys ever gave up and didn't keep scrapping.

I think Jedd is a great coach. I do think it's time for our guys to learn how to win.

Catintheheat · Post by **Catintheheat** » Sun Oct 08, 2023 8:57 am

I like a lot about Fisch. I like his recruiting, how the team plays with effort all game, the depth of the team. Yet, there is one thing Fisch needs to stop and that is calling all the trick plays. They rarely work. Many one or two a season not one or two a game.

Catintheheat · Post by **Catintheheat** » Sun Oct 08, 2023 9:02 am

KaibabKat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:30 am 7 - 20 vs. FBS schools.

You need to put that in context. Fisch inherited a dumpster fire. Arizona is losing small to really good teams now. I believe the Cats will get 3 wins now. I also believe every game for the rest of the season is winnable. After what the Cats did against UW and USC, they can compete with almost any team in the country. And definitely can compete with every team left on the schedule. Arizona is underrated. They can play on both sides of the ball.

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Sun Oct 08, 2023 9:44 am

Catintheheat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 9:02 am
KaibabKat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:30 am 7 - 20 vs. FBS schools.
You need to put that in context. Fisch inherited a dumpster fire. Arizona is losing small to really good teams now. I believe the Cats will get 3 wins now. I also believe every game for the rest of the season is winnable. After what the Cats did against UW and USC, they can compete with almost any team in the country. And definitely can compete with every team left on the schedule. Arizona is underrated. They can play on both sides of the ball.

Agreed - damn respectable competitiveness and improvement...

... now just need to learn how to win!! (e. g. the self sabotage throughout the third quarter killed us!!)

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Sun Oct 08, 2023 9:44 am

pc in NM wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 9:44 am
Catintheheat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 9:02 am
KaibabKat wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:30 am 7 - 20 vs. FBS schools.
You need to put that in context. Fisch inherited a dumpster fire. Arizona is losing small to really good teams now. I believe the Cats will get 3 wins now. I also believe every game for the rest of the season is winnable. After what the Cats did against UW and USC, they can compete with almost any team in the country. And definitely can compete with every team left on the schedule. Arizona is underrated. They can play on both sides of the ball.
Agreed - damn respectable competitiveness and improvement...

... now just need to learn how to win!! (e. g. the self sabotage throughout the third quarter was unbearable!!)

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Oct 08, 2023 9:55 am

One thing I really like about Fisch is his teaching the young QBs. Looked like after every series he sat down with Fifita and did a lot of talking to him.

Fifita was also very attentive. Seems that JDL often would look away. Didn't like being corrected I imagine.

But agree on the play calling. They are real head scratchers sometimes.

Besides the trick plays, and the play that ended up the game, the worst play call and execution was when the Cats were methodically driving down the field in the 4th quarter, and were on the SC 40(?) and had a first down. I don't know if Fisch called this, or Fifita audibled it, but throwing it to T-Mac on the goal line who was double covered had a very little chance of success. Then bang, 2nd and 10.

Also when 1st and goal at the 3, running Coleman 3 times up the middle for no gain then losing a couple of yards.

AzCatFan2 · Post by **AzCatFan2** » Sun Oct 08, 2023 10:30 am

Penalties, poor play calling, blown coverages, missed assignments, and more. These are the difference between beating good teams and losing. I don't know about you, but I'm sick and tired of moral victories. Time to win some actual games!

Yes we pay hard and don't quit, but if Fisch can't fix the little things that plague us every game against good opponents, he'll never win enough to stay a head coach.

CatsbyAZ · Post by **CatsbyAZ** » Sun Oct 08, 2023 10:46 am

Waking up this morning, I feel worse about losing to USC than in the moments after watching the loss last night. So close.

Have to take the next step of learning how to win (as has been said), and going into the Big 12 I want a more organized defense and tougher lines.

But the hustle is there, skill positions are a strength, and the coaching is showing gradual improvement from the disaster the program was two years ago.

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Sun Oct 08, 2023 1:39 pm

As much as last night hurt, we're clearly on the right track with Fifita. Why Fisch is claiming JDL is the starter completely baffles me. We wont be going anywhere in the Big 12 if we don't start the best QB.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:14 pm

1) It was absolutely not the right time to ask Fisch about next week. Spears should not have asked that question at that time. Bad timing and completely unprofessional
2) I don't believe it is 100% Fisch has his mind made up. Changing anything he said before helps WSU prepare.
3) Even if Fisch did have his mind made up last night he can change his mind after watching tape and fully digesting the game with the staff and players.
4) The players have all week to let Fisch know what they think.
5) Fisch has done more than enough for me to trust his judgment on this issue.

KillerKlown · Post by **KillerKlown** » Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:35 pm

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:14 pm 1) It was absolutely not the right time to ask Fisch about next week. Spears should not have asked that question at that time. Bad timing and completely unprofessional
2) I don't believe it is 100% Fisch has his mind made up. Changing anything he said before helps WSU prepare.
3) Even if Fisch did have his mind made up last night he can change his mind after watching tape and fully digesting the game with the staff and players.
4) The players have all week to let Fisch know what they think.
5) Fisch has done more than enough for me to trust his judgment on this issue.

Everything here but #1. I'll wait till Saturday to see who starts. Hopefully it's Fifita.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:55 pm

Never question the judgement of someone willing to start a rapist.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Oct 08, 2023 3:06 pm

Alieberman wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:55 pm Never question the judgement of someone willing to start a rapist.

I really have been holding back not going there, but since you brought it up, JDL's civil case has not been settled yet. JDL won't lose his freedom, but will be losing a lot more of his NIL money. That has to weigh on his mind. Look at you-know-who and his civil case and how unhinged he is.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/football/ ... aii-update

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:24 am

*Clown makes clown noises*

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:14 pm 1) It was absolutely not the right time to ask Fisch about next week. Spears should not have asked that question at that time. Bad timing and completely unprofessional

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:36 am

Merkin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 3:06 pm
Alieberman wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:55 pm Never question the judgement of someone willing to start a rapist.
I really have been holding back not going there, but since you brought it up, JDL's civil case has not been settled yet. JDL won't lose his freedom, but will be losing a lot more of his NIL money. That has to weigh on his mind. Look at you-know-who and his civil case and how unhinged he is.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/football/ ... aii-update

I think you and I are on an island on this 1. If you can win football games people can tolerate/ justify almost anything

MrMeow · Post by **MrMeow** » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:23 am

Alieberman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:36 am
Merkin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 3:06 pm
Alieberman wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:55 pm Never question the judgement of someone willing to start a rapist.
I really have been holding back not going there, but since you brought it up, JDL's civil case has not been settled yet. JDL won't lose his freedom, but will be losing a lot more of his NIL money. That has to weigh on his mind. Look at you-know-who and his civil case and how unhinged he is.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/football/ ... aii-update
I think you and I are on an island on this 1. If you can win football games people can tolerate/ justify almost anything

Not quite. I'm on the same island. I suspect others are too. Sorry Coach Lombardi, winning is not the only thing.

Catintheheat · Post by **Catintheheat** » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:27 am

There is another problem I have with Jedd Fisch. Why all the fair catches? They fair catch on the 5 and fair catch when there are 20 yards of free space to return the punt. I would love Speedy Luke as kick returner. I don't get it.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:29 am

From what I've read Speedy couldn't catch a cold.

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:48 am

azgreg wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:29 am From what I've read Speedy couldn't catch a cold.

I was hoping he was going to be a big threat for us to use. Now I know why his play is limited.

CopaCat · Post by **CopaCat** » Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:56 am

I really do think Speedy needs more than 1 snap a game though, which is what he saw at USC. How dude isn't getting 5 to 10 speed sweeps, reverses, pitches, etc per game is beyond me. Speed kills, especially in college.

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