(M) Game 13, Arizona vs St. John's (2019-2020)

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:39 pm

Stop giving the ball to JEter. Run it through Zeke.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:40 pm

ByJoveByJingle wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:I've no doubt our scoring will improve as the game goes on....but....this is typical sean miller basketball to start this game.

we're on pace for 1 point per minute played, after the first 9 minutes of play.

anyone particularly surprised by this hasn't been watching sean miller basketball over the last decade
If we just got rid of Miller maybe we’d improve from the 5th highest scoring team in the nation to the 4th? Let’s do it!

How’d we do against Baylor and Gonzaga?

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:40 pm

TatetheGreat wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:I've no doubt our scoring will improve as the game goes on....but....this is typical sean miller basketball to start this game.

we're on pace for 1 point per minute played, after the first 9 minutes of play.

anyone particularly surprised by this hasn't been watching sean miller basketball over the last decade
If we just got rid of Miller maybe we’d improve from the 5th highest scoring team in the nation to the 4th? Let’s do it!
How’d we do against Baylor and Gonzaga?

Poorly. How did they do against us?

oggoazcats · Post by **oggoazcats** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:41 pm

What does Miller have against Koloko?

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:41 pm

zonagrad wrote:Stop giving the ball to JEter. Run it through Zeke.

Notice he was pulled right after that horrendous shot

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:42 pm

ByJoveByJingle wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:I've no doubt our scoring will improve as the game goes on....but....this is typical sean miller basketball to start this game.

we're on pace for 1 point per minute played, after the first 9 minutes of play.

anyone particularly surprised by this hasn't been watching sean miller basketball over the last decade
If we just got rid of Miller maybe we’d improve from the 5th highest scoring team in the nation to the 4th? Let’s do it!
How’d we do against Baylor and Gonzaga?
Poorly. How did they do against us?

Baylor is not an offensive team. Gonzaga scored 84.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:44 pm

Dylan Smith doing what he does when he has the ball.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:45 pm

for fucks sake nico what was that mile long quick 3 point brick about?
makes up for it by taking it to the rim next time down. more of that please
then he tried to go to rim and got...not fouled as he misses. meh. less shooting nico

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:46 pm

TatetheGreat wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:I've no doubt our scoring will improve as the game goes on....but....this is typical sean miller basketball to start this game.

we're on pace for 1 point per minute played, after the first 9 minutes of play.

anyone particularly surprised by this hasn't been watching sean miller basketball over the last decade
If we just got rid of Miller maybe we’d improve from the 5th highest scoring team in the nation to the 4th? Let’s do it!
How’d we do against Baylor and Gonzaga?

We were 105th

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:47 pm

So are we just assuming Nico's back is still bothering him? I'm not sure what else would explain this sudden change.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:47 pm

TatetheGreat wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:I've no doubt our scoring will improve as the game goes on....but....this is typical sean miller basketball to start this game.

we're on pace for 1 point per minute played, after the first 9 minutes of play.

anyone particularly surprised by this hasn't been watching sean miller basketball over the last decade
If we just got rid of Miller maybe we’d improve from the 5th highest scoring team in the nation to the 4th? Let’s do it!
How’d we do against Baylor and Gonzaga?
Poorly. How did they do against us?
Baylor is not an offensive team. Gonzaga scored 84.

4 more than us, despite an historically bad shooting performance. Weird. I guess I don’t understand your premise. Or PoM’s.

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:47 pm

St. John's has slowed down considerably. Just not as fast. But we can't produce any offense at all.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:47 pm

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:48 pm

Thoroughly frustrated with the play of Jeter and Smith. Nico has taken w few bad shots, which I can forgive because he makes plays.

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:48 pm

AZCatGirl wrote:So are we just assuming Nico's back is still bothering him? I'm not sure what else would explain this sudden change.

Good point. it's possible. Also a freshman and could just be a little slump. Just not the best time in this stretch.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:49 pm

I'm at my kids nutcracker performance,

Thanks CATS for not making me second guess my decision to not drive to SF for the game.

DWWD

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:49 pm

zonagrad wrote:Thoroughly frustrated with the play of Jeter and Smith. Nico has taken w few bad shots, which I can forgive because he makes plays.

This. Don't see much leadership out there. No one who seems to want to take over and score. Nico needs to just go to the hoop more.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:49 pm

zonagrad wrote:Thoroughly frustrated with the play of Jeter and Smith. Nico has taken w few bad shots, which I can forgive because he makes plays.

Jeter -13
Green -8

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:54 pm

Well that was a mess.

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:54 pm

Smith and Jeter need to take a seat tonight.

oggoazcats · Post by **oggoazcats** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:54 pm

Dylan Smith lmao

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:54 pm

Smith and Jeter are playing like pure trash.

mod edit:
please refrain from calling out our players in that manner, and refer to their play instead.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:55 pm

well, being down 40-26 at the half at least means we broke through that 1 point per minute pace.

we look so bad against another half decent team this year

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:56 pm

Green, Mannion and Jeter all have worse +/- than Smith.

Not one UA player has a + score

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:56 pm

Jeter 0-4 0 pts 0 boards.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:56 pm

Something has turned sour the last couple of games. It’s not just the shooting, which is just a symptom of it. I’m not smart enough to know what’s going on. I can see the appeal of pointing the finger at Miller. It’s an easy thing to do.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:56 pm

Aaaaaaannnnd, Smith just let his man go right by him for a last second basket. I’m so done with him. Words cannot express. If he were a freshman, ok. But a 5th year senior. Fuck!

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:57 pm

Just want to point out there are a lot of boosters at this game. I'm sure they're loving the product they're seeing.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:57 pm

Just feel sick. Such a promising season looking like it is going down the toilet

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:57 pm

billk78 wrote:Jeter 0-4 0 pts 0 boards.

Jeter has never recovered from his back injury half way through last season. He and Koloko should switch minutes.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:58 pm

ByJoveByJingle wrote:Something has turned sour the last couple of games. It’s not just the shooting, which is just a symptom of it. I’m not smart enough to know what’s going on. I can see the appeal of pointing the finger at Miller. It’s an easy thing to do.

I mean it is his responsibility and this has been a fixture of his teams over the past 3 seasons.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:58 pm

Merkin wrote:Green, Mannion and Jeter all have worse +/- than Smith.

Not one UA player has a + score

I’m watch the game. Smith has done absolutely nothing positive except one nice blocked shot .

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:59 pm

Not surprised we look like garbage against a decent team.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:59 pm

ByJoveByJingle wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:Baylor is not an offensive team. Gonzaga scored 84.
4 more than us, despite an historically bad shooting performance. Weird. I guess I don’t understand your premise. Or PoM’s.

Did you watch that game? Couldn't buy a bucket until garbage time.

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:59 pm

I was going to watch The Hurt Locker after the game. Maybe I've been watching it all along and just didn't realize it.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:00 pm

WildcatStunner wrote:Not surprised we look like garbage against a decent team.

They ain't shit and they're missing their best player, but sure this is fine.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:01 pm

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:01 pm

I'm afraid any chance of a Top 4 seed and a deep NCAA run went out the door with Williams knee and Doutrives weed.

Dylan Smiths performance against the cream puffs was Fools Gold. Against decent competition he has reverted to normal

Two bigs on the floor at one time is still a defensive liability for AZ. St. Johns just works the ball around and gets a Match-Up advantage and eats us up

Nico is still having problems against athletic guards.

Hazzard is one-dimensional. When his shot isn't falling he is a liability

Green doesn't have a consistent outside shot...even when wide open.

Jeter is slow/plodding and can't finish.....even against undersized players. (He also doesn't board)

Too many holes, I'm afraid, to fix for Miller.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:01 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote:Something has turned sour the last couple of games. It’s not just the shooting, which is just a symptom of it. I’m not smart enough to know what’s going on. I can see the appeal of pointing the finger at Miller. It’s an easy thing to do.
I mean it is his responsibility and this has been a fixture of his teams over the past 3 seasons.

I also don’t understand this comment. What has been a fixture? Poor offense? Like being a top 10 KenPom offense 2 years ago, and a top 15 this year (5th highest scoring in the NCAA)? Last year, John Wooden and the Pope couldn’t have done anything with that squad.

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:02 pm

WildcatStunner wrote:Smith and Jeter are pure trash.

IMNSHO, fans that use terms like “ pure trash” to label any of our own student-athletes are despicable...

... wtf entitles one to act like this???

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:02 pm

TatetheGreat wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:Baylor is not an offensive team. Gonzaga scored 84.
4 more than us, despite an historically bad shooting performance. Weird. I guess I don’t understand your premise. Or PoM’s.
Did you watch that game? Couldn't buy a bucket until garbage time.

Well I was at the game. So yeah. And yet we somehow scored 80.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:02 pm

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:03 pm

Human brains see patterns in three repetitions. Arizona has precisely one half to turn this around, or we're looking at three shit performances that will probably be seen as a turning point for Miller.

oggoazcats · Post by **oggoazcats** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:03 pm

Merkin wrote:
billk78 wrote:Jeter 0-4 0 pts 0 boards.
Jeter has never recovered from his back injury half way through last season. He and Koloko should switch minutes.

Did you ever watch him at Duke? Same player.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:03 pm

pc in NM wrote:
WildcatStunner wrote:Smith and Jeter are pure trash.
IMNSHO, fans that use terms like “ pure trash” to label any of our own student-athletes are despicable...

... wtf entitles one to act like this???

Hysteria? Lack of perspective? I prescribe medication. Preferably the smokable kind.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:04 pm

ByJoveByJingle wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote:Something has turned sour the last couple of games. It’s not just the shooting, which is just a symptom of it. I’m not smart enough to know what’s going on. I can see the appeal of pointing the finger at Miller. It’s an easy thing to do.
I mean it is his responsibility and this has been a fixture of his teams over the past 3 seasons.
I also don’t understand this comment. What has been a fixture? Poor offense? Like being a top 10 KenPom offense 2 years ago, and a top 15 this year (5th highest scoring in the NCAA)? Last year, John Wooden and the Pope couldn’t have done anything with that squad.

Get a clue. That top 5 number was built up against the Pepperdines/Penns/Omahas of the world. Against better competition those offensive stats have gone off the rails.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:05 pm

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:05 pm

dmjcat wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote:Something has turned sour the last couple of games. It’s not just the shooting, which is just a symptom of it. I’m not smart enough to know what’s going on. I can see the appeal of pointing the finger at Miller. It’s an easy thing to do.
I mean it is his responsibility and this has been a fixture of his teams over the past 3 seasons.
I also don’t understand this comment. What has been a fixture? Poor offense? Like being a top 10 KenPom offense 2 years ago, and a top 15 this year (5th highest scoring in the NCAA)? Last year, John Wooden and the Pope couldn’t have done anything with that squad.
Get a clue. That top 5 number was built up against the Pepperdines/Penns/Omahas of the world. Against better competition those offensive stats have gone off the rails.

Ah, I see. While everybody else was deep in the conference schedule. My bad. I’ll work on getting a clue.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:06 pm

ByJoveByJingle wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:Baylor is not an offensive team. Gonzaga scored 84.
4 more than us, despite an historically bad shooting performance. Weird. I guess I don’t understand your premise. Or PoM’s.
Did you watch that game? Couldn't buy a bucket until garbage time.
Well I was at the game. So yeah. And yet we somehow scored 80.

Yeah, they made every stop and blew us out before taking their foot off that gas. Lost to a good team at home. How do you explain this one?

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:07 pm

TatetheGreat wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:Baylor is not an offensive team. Gonzaga scored 84.
4 more than us, despite an historically bad shooting performance. Weird. I guess I don’t understand your premise. Or PoM’s.
Did you watch that game? Couldn't buy a bucket until garbage time.
Well I was at the game. So yeah. And yet we somehow scored 80.
Yeah, they made every stop and blew us out before taking their foot off that gas. Lost to a good team at home. How do you explain this one?

There is something wrong with this team right now. That much is clear. The shots they are taking are more often than not poor shots. I can’t really diagnose the issue, beyond the obvious decline in Mannion’s positive play.

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