Game 25, vs UCLA (2017-2018)

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:34 pm

Anyone here still pushing "Win & Vacate" over self sanctions????

I'll say it again (and I know I'll be pilloried) but if our own internal investigation shows we are guilty we should
sacrifice this team and self sanction THIS year. This teams NCAA hopes are NOT worth the next 2-3 years of the UA basketball program.

jsbowl16 · Post by **jsbowl16** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:35 pm

Miller is a better coach of teams with less talent. Look at his Xavier teams. It just seems like he cant get through to these guys that think they already have a spot in the NBA.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:35 pm

I turned it off. No point in watching a game where only one team is defending.

Catintheheat · Post by **Catintheheat** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:35 pm

It wouldn't bother me if CSM is not here next year. For what he has he has this season he has underachieved big time. The Cats look like they don't care anymore. I am believing he has lost the team.

Captain Obvious · Post by **Captain Obvious** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:36 pm

Merkin wrote:
Captain Obvious wrote:Hard to know what to expect next season. I know this season isn't over. I have to be honest I have a feeling Miller won't be our HC next year. I've had that feeling since the FBI investigation started. I hope It doesn't happen but something just isn't right.
I thought Miller would have left when the PAC refs were targeting him.

Yeah I thought that could happen as well. I still feel Miller is the right man for the job. I just think he has a group that's been harder for him to manage when normally he excels at that.

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:36 pm

I am done watching tonight. If the team doesn't want to give effort, I have other things I can do.

Have a goodnight everyone.

WildHolcs · Post by **WildHolcs** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:37 pm

Rawle is brutal to watch on break aways sometimes...actually Rawle is brutal to watch, period, right now.

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:37 pm

Catintheheat wrote:It wouldn't bother me if CSM is not here next year. For what he has he has this season he has underachieved big time. The Cats look like they don't care anymore. I am believing he has lost the team.

hilarious. some of you...man oh man, you are spoiled blind

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:37 pm

I think Sean Miller just lost Tucson like RichRod did a year ago.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:38 pm

It will be an interesting NCAA tourney this year. I don't have the faintest idea who out there can pull off four games in a row. It's a good year for teams that give it everything they have and just push through with hunger.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:39 pm

UCLA goes on the floor, Arizona does not.

Captain Obvious · Post by **Captain Obvious** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:40 pm

I'm not ready to give up on this season or this team. Just can't do it. Been a fan too long and I'm sticking with the Cats and Miller no matter what happens.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:40 pm

Trier is the only starter to play worth a damn today

Catintheheat · Post by **Catintheheat** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:41 pm

Merkin wrote:UCLA goes on the floor, Arizona does not.

I look at what is going to happen next season when the Cats have a team that is far less talented. I don't see a good future for the Cats right now. The FBI investigation sure isn't helping.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:41 pm

What does that mean?
I'm pretty sure miller is trying to teach them to play D

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:41 pm

Alieberman wrote:Trier is the only starter to play worth a damn today

Apparently that is all Miller's fault

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:41 pm

Pinder had a great 9 minutes. Hope to see him out there, he deserves it.

michcat · Post by **michcat** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:41 pm

Ayton playing himself out of the first pick.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:43 pm

jsbowl16 wrote:Miller is a better coach of teams with less talent. Look at his Xavier teams. It just seems like he cant get through to these guys that think they already have a spot in the NBA.

I'd argue that miller is a system coach who is inflexible to the talent that he has.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:43 pm

Alieberman wrote:Trier is the only starter to play worth a damn today

He definitely practiced his jump shot. Awful defensive effort.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:43 pm

TatetheGreat wrote:
Alieberman wrote:Trier is the only starter to play worth a damn today
He definitely practiced his jump shot. Awful defensive effort.

whats new?

Catintheheat · Post by **Catintheheat** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:44 pm

I can't see Arizona winning Saturday either.

jsbowl16 · Post by **jsbowl16** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:45 pm

Whoever had us as a 9.5 point favorite needs a cat scan.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:45 pm

We lost to UCLA last year at home too

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:45 pm

dcZONAfan wrote:
Alieberman wrote:Trier is the only starter to play worth a damn today
Apparently that is all Miller's fault

Here we have what, seven players playing like dogshit. No intensity, no purpose, no plan (no development, or very little?). Some of that has to be Miller's fault, no?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:45 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:
Alieberman wrote:Trier is the only starter to play worth a damn today
He definitely practiced his jump shot. Awful defensive effort.
whats new?

The 2 Holiday blow byes in the first minute means Trier's jersey should be retired for those in the know

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:46 pm

We were never in this game. Pathetic team, horrible coach.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:46 pm

Hopefully we see a timeout called with a few seconds left again

Captain Obvious · Post by **Captain Obvious** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:46 pm

Catintheheat wrote:I can't see Arizona winning Saturday either.

I see them winning but it won't be easy. Very athletic team with talented players and well coached.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:46 pm

84Cat wrote:We lost to UCLA last year at home too

But that team had Bryce Alford!!!

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:47 pm

How is that not a charge?

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:47 pm

Catintheheat wrote:I can't see Arizona winning Saturday either.

I can. Different game. Different opponent. Different night.

We need to come out with our hair on fire and actually hit some shots.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:48 pm

Can’t wait to hear what Sean says!

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:49 pm

Arizona was bad out of the gate tonight. They got back in the game when UCLA played horribly for a stretch.

Arizona teams aren't supposed to sleepwalk against UCLA. Trier did his job tonight. So did Pinder. Even Ayton was fine, except for poor shooting (he had some horrible passes thrown to him that took him out of position). Smith played to his own level. But to a man, every other player on Arizona was sleepwalking and completely helpless.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:50 pm

I think the fundamental problem with this team is point guard. That's not to say everyone else is without blame or there aren't issues elsewhere. But we simply don't control the point of attack on offense or defense. It's just difficult to play uphill like that. When our other four players are superior to the opponent, then ok. But we never, ever have a definitive edge at point guard. And it effects everyone and breaks things down across the board.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:50 pm

Borderline scandalous

jsbowl16 · Post by **jsbowl16** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:50 pm

Defense still sucks across the board. Until that gets fixed we might as well not even waste time playing offense. Duke has the same problem. A ton of talent but if you dont play team defense it doesnt matter.

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:51 pm

SCCats wrote:
dcZONAfan wrote:
Alieberman wrote:Trier is the only starter to play worth a damn today
Apparently that is all Miller's fault
Here we have what, seven players playing like dogshit. No intensity, no purpose, no plan (no development, or very little?). Some of that has to be Miller's fault, no?

Let's look at the history here.

Who can you say without a doubt is the most competitive, intense, prepared.... Would you say maybe Miller's time here has shown he is always these things? And you think, well, maybe he has changed and is different, and the things he's been saying aren't actually true, the guys really ARE playing hard, it's definitely a coaching issue.

If you think that, I don't know what to say. You think it's the coach's fault that Trier, Rawle, Randolph, PJC, and Dylan have literally no will or ability to keep a man in front of them, with Dusan waiting behind them? I mean, if you want to blame him for recruiting them sure. But cmon, this is effort all the way. It's clear as day.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:51 pm

zonagrad wrote:I think the fundamental problem with this team is point guard. That's not to say everyone else is without blame or there aren't issues elsewhere. But we simply don't control the point of attack on offense or defense. It's just difficult to play uphill like that. When our other four players are superior to the opponent, then ok. But we never, ever have a definitive edge at point guard. And it effects everyone and breaks things down across the board.

yep and Holiday is really good

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:52 pm

What a pathetic effort all around. It just looks like they don't care to be honest. 5 minutes left in the second half and down by 12 and theyre walking it around in slow motion with no intensity or purpose. Why can't they create any shots whatsoever? Everything is forced after a slow milking of the shot clock. I hate this offense so much. keep saying the defense is bad (it is) but the offense is just as pathetic at times. We can't get it to Ayton. Although even when we did tonight he couldnt shoot. Alkins just isnt the same. PJC is a bench player. Man I want this team to succeed it's just so hard to watch right now. Miller has to consider giving in and changing the damn offensive style up a little bit.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:54 pm

dcZONAfan wrote:
SCCats wrote:
dcZONAfan wrote:
Alieberman wrote:Trier is the only starter to play worth a damn today
Apparently that is all Miller's fault
Here we have what, seven players playing like dogshit. No intensity, no purpose, no plan (no development, or very little?). Some of that has to be Miller's fault, no?
Let's look at the history here.

Who can you say without a doubt is the most competitive, intense, prepared.... Would you say maybe Miller's time here has shown he is always these things? And you think, well, maybe he has changed and is different, and the things he's been saying aren't actually true, the guys really ARE playing hard, it's definitely a coaching issue.

If you think that, I don't know what to say. You think it's the coach's fault that Trier, Rawle, Randolph, PJC, and Dylan have literally no will or ability to keep a man in front of them, with Dusan waiting behind them? I mean, if you want to blame him for recruiting them sure. But cmon, this is effort all the way. It's clear as day.

So none of the things that are happening are Miller's fault?

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:55 pm

Merkin wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:
Alieberman wrote:Trier is the only starter to play worth a damn today
He definitely practiced his jump shot. Awful defensive effort.
whats new?
The 2 Holiday blow byes in the first minute means Trier's jersey should be retired for those in the know

I'm told he's an offensive threat.

I'd trade a few points of his offense production for some better D.

But you can't tweet video of yourself working on defense.

jsbowl16 · Post by **jsbowl16** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:55 pm

billk78 wrote:What a pathetic effort all around. It just looks like they don't care to be honest. 5 minutes left in the second half and down by 12 and theyre walking it around in slow motion with no intensity or purpose. Why can't they create any shots whatsoever? Everything is forced after a slow milking of the shot clock. I hate this offense so much. keep saying the defense is bad (it is) but the offense is just as pathetic at times. We can't get it to Ayton. Although even when we did tonight he couldnt shoot. Alkins just isnt the same. PJC is a bench player. Man I want this team to succeed it's just so hard to watch right now. Miller has to consider giving in and changing the damn offensive style up a little bit.

We dont have the shooters to beat the zones teams throw at us so you beat that by scoring off of turnovers. The problem is that we dont create any because our defense sucks.

Captain Obvious · Post by **Captain Obvious** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:55 pm

SCCats wrote:
dcZONAfan wrote:
SCCats wrote:
dcZONAfan wrote:
Alieberman wrote:Trier is the only starter to play worth a damn today
Apparently that is all Miller's fault
Here we have what, seven players playing like dogshit. No intensity, no purpose, no plan (no development, or very little?). Some of that has to be Miller's fault, no?
Let's look at the history here.

Who can you say without a doubt is the most competitive, intense, prepared.... Would you say maybe Miller's time here has shown he is always these things? And you think, well, maybe he has changed and is different, and the things he's been saying aren't actually true, the guys really ARE playing hard, it's definitely a coaching issue.

If you think that, I don't know what to say. You think it's the coach's fault that Trier, Rawle, Randolph, PJC, and Dylan have literally no will or ability to keep a man in front of them, with Dusan waiting behind them? I mean, if you want to blame him for recruiting them sure. But cmon, this is effort all the way. It's clear as day.

So none of the things that are happening are Miller's fault?

I'm not sure he means that but as someone else said Miller is a system coach with players that don't seem to buy into that system.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:57 pm

I don't see this as a coaching issue. A personnel issue perhaps, which falls on the coach. But not a coaching or tactical issue. We have a point guard who isn't worthy of the Pac 12. I'm not hating on PJC as a person or a teammate. He is just a huge liability and I suppose you can and should pin that on Miller. Maybe Miller thought by year four that PJC would be a different player. But he is what he is. I would take every single Pac 12 point guard over PJC, and it's not even a tough decision. The trouble is, benching him or cutting his minutes to a role player really doesn't change much. That's why it's so frustrating, because a point guard generally can everyone else better, i.e. make your team greater than the sum of its parts.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:57 pm

No idea how a team could look this disinterested playing a conference rival at home. That was abysmal.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:57 pm

zonagrad wrote:I think the fundamental problem with this team is point guard. That's not to say everyone else is without blame or there aren't issues elsewhere. But we simply don't control the point of attack on offense or defense. It's just difficult to play uphill like that. When our other four players are superior to the opponent, then ok. But we never, ever have a definitive edge at point guard. And it effects everyone and breaks things down across the board.

Yeah, we've known it all along. Despite the rampant coaching criticism in this thread, Miller is obviously the most qualified to figure out the best possible solution. But as a stupid fan, I think we need more Akot defending the point, more ball handling from Trier, and more PJC on the bench. Unless the defense forces Arizona's hand with a full-court press. But it's not like PJC is going to be scoring more than Akot.

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:58 pm

jsbowl16 wrote:
billk78 wrote:What a pathetic effort all around. It just looks like they don't care to be honest. 5 minutes left in the second half and down by 12 and theyre walking it around in slow motion with no intensity or purpose. Why can't they create any shots whatsoever? Everything is forced after a slow milking of the shot clock. I hate this offense so much. keep saying the defense is bad (it is) but the offense is just as pathetic at times. We can't get it to Ayton. Although even when we did tonight he couldnt shoot. Alkins just isnt the same. PJC is a bench player. Man I want this team to succeed it's just so hard to watch right now. Miller has to consider giving in and changing the damn offensive style up a little bit.
We dont have the shooters to beat the zones teams throw at us so you beat that by scoring off of turnovers. The problem is that we dont create any because our defense sucks.

I can agree with you there. But even in transition tonight we were so sloppy. Rawle was a big part of that. Really they just don't play hard. Whether that's players fault or Miller's fault I suppose it's up to interpretation. I think it's a little of both. This recruiting class aside from Ayton has been a huge disappointment. And for as good as Ayton is I'd trade him for a TJ Mcconnell any day. Like I said leadership, effort, heart is not there with this squad. At least I have not seen it yet.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:58 pm

3 players that can't play defense (pjc the midget, Trier with no lateral speed, Ristic with feet of clay)
1 guard who is very very rusty (Alkins)
1 coach who doesn't know what to do against a zone.

A very bad combination

DrWildcat · Post by **DrWildcat** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:59 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:
Merkin wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:
Alieberman wrote:Trier is the only starter to play worth a damn today
He definitely practiced his jump shot. Awful defensive effort.
whats new?
The 2 Holiday blow byes in the first minute means Trier's jersey should be retired for those in the know
I'm told he's an offensive threat.

I'd trade a few points of his offense production for some better D.

But you can't tweet video of yourself working on defense.

Kind of strange to hate on the only guy who showed up to play. I guess you prefer the guys who can't guard or score?

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