Ray Smith will miss the 2015-16 with torn ACL

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:57 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:a couple percent chance of maybe making some money someday in some basketball league somewhere...maybe.

Such positive words. It's clear you are a glass is half full kind of guy!

az91 · Post by **az91** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:04 pm

This thread has turned into a dumpster fire.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:06 pm

dcZONAfan wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:a couple percent chance of maybe making some money someday in some basketball league somewhere...maybe.
Such positive words. It's clear you are a glass is half full kind of guy!

*realistic down to earth guy

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:37 am

Don't ever change, Hater.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 10:06 am

Maybe he should just amputate both legs to be on the safe side.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 10:17 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:Maybe he should just amputate both legs to be on the safe side.

Well, chances are that one day he'll die. Might as well get it over with.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 10:26 am

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:31 am

It's a tragedy that athletes in America have to go to message boards to get medical advice.
#HaterCare

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:35 am

gumby wrote:It's a tragedy that athletes in America have to go to message boards to get medical advice.
#HaterCare

Plus we have death panels.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 12:54 pm

This is ridiculous

There are countless former athletes who never tore a single ligament in either knee and have long-term knee problems, even starting in their 30s. I'm one myself.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:54 pm

gumby wrote:It's a tragedy that athletes in America have to go to message boards to get medical advice.
#HaterCare

I know, the people that somehow know without a doubt he will fully heal and never have another issue are crazy

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:55 pm

If only life wasn't a game of chance....

That's why I under no circumstances ever leave the house.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:57 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
gumby wrote:It's a tragedy that athletes in America have to go to message boards to get medical advice.
#HaterCare
I know, the people that somehow know without a doubt he will fully heal and never have another issue are crazy

The telltale exaggeration and/or distortion (highlighted in red), followed by the argument against that straw man.

It's a winning formula!

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:02 pm

There is apparently no middle ground between "will never have an issue again" and "will never play again."

threenumberones · Post by **threenumberones** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:14 pm

People are now dumber for having read this thread.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 5:27 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:There is apparently no middle ground between "will never have an issue again" and "will never play again."

The Internet is hostile to that area in between. It's the land of "haters" and "homers."

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 5:40 pm

In my medical opinion, this thread is the tits.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 6:00 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:In my medical opinion, this thread is the tits.

It is isn't it. The people that are completely confident in s full recovery are hilarious

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:10 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:In my medical opinion, this thread is the tits.
It is isn't it. The people that are completely confident in s full recovery are hilarious

Care to quote the post where anyone said that? Thanks in advance.

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:37 pm

threenumberones wrote:People are now dumber for having read this thread.

I'z no I izz dummer now.....time too getz mys Masters Degreee at ASU know.....

SMH.....seriously, this thread really sucks now.....so many more important topics than some of the horseshit, negative speculation on this dumpster fire of a thread.....Ray Smith deserves better than this crap!

Bear Down and stay positive.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:44 pm

Chicat wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:In my medical opinion, this thread is the tits.
It is isn't it. The people that are completely confident in s full recovery are hilarious
Care to quote the post where anyone said that? Thanks in advance.

The only person on this board who is certain of the outcome is Dr. Hater, whose expert medical opinion is that Ray's basketball career is undoubtedly over.

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:37 pm

Can't wait to see Ray Smith prove his doubter (Hater) wrong and kick ass next year!!!

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 10:01 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:In my medical opinion, this thread is the tits.
It is isn't it. The people that are completely confident in s full recovery are hilarious

Much like you are completely confident that RR is in it till retirement in Tucson? Pretty hilarious too.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 10:19 pm

Chicat wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:In my medical opinion, this thread is the tits.
It is isn't it. The people that are completely confident in s full recovery are hilarious
Care to quote the post where anyone said that? Thanks in advance.

I definitely won't say that I'm 100% certain Ray will have a full recovery, because complications are always possible with any surgery/recovery, but this is an ACL tear that occurred in 2015. Recovery rates for ACL tears today are sitting at 98%. Now if he suffered a complicated injury where a meniscus was torn and anything else that made it more complicated I'd definitely pause more about my hopes for his success next season and his long term career, but good lord he had a mere clean ACL tear and this injury is so routine for athletes nowadays. Honestly when is the last time you've heard a negative prognosis for a guy who tore his ACL? Hater's take is so asinine it holds no basis in reality in this decade. My only answer for his ridiculous take is he's from the 1980s and is a time traveler. That's legitimately all I've got. Hater must truly be terrified of his favorite pitchers getting Tommy John surgery too.

Based on a normal recovery/rehab Ray Smith should be damn near if not absolutely the same athlete he was the day he tore the ACL in his other knee.

Bangkok Wildcat · Post by **Bangkok Wildcat** » Fri Jan 08, 2016 10:23 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:In my medical opinion, this thread is the tits.
It is isn't it. The people that are completely confident in s full recovery are hilarious
Much like you are completely confident that RR is in it till retirement in Tucson? Pretty hilarious too.

Nailed it CST....RR is gone in 2 years for another gig....count on it. Oh wait.....'it's a business, it's a business....interviewing is just part of it....blah blah'.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:46 pm

First off, everyone put asulover on ignore to keep this on track

Then click: http://www.arizonawildcats.com/mediaPor ... id=5006708" target="_blank

23 - 25:25

"4 months since surgery, no setbacks. He is running in straight lines, doing stationary shooting, jumping and landing, and some lateral things. Progressing on schedule."

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 1:23 pm

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 1:49 pm

I got about 4 or 5 pics on my iphone of Ray taking some shots before the USC game. Completely amazing that this guy was able to cheat a career ending injury and actually be walking before 2019.

85Cat · Post by **85Cat** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 1:53 pm

He sure looks like he has thickened up. Granted, he hasn't been running, but he isn't looking like he will get pushed around much!

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:04 pm

rgdeuce wrote:I got about 4 or 5 pics on my iphone of Ray taking some shots before the USC game. Completely amazing that this guy was able to cheat a career ending injury and actually be walking before 2019.

In hindsight, it was better Ray injured it when he did in terms of his 2016-17 season. He has no pressure to rush the recovery, he keeps the year of eligibility, just everything. Obviously, it would have been better if he didn't injure it in the first place, but if it was going to go, he's on the best timetable that can exist.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:14 pm

Don't think Ray is all that concerned about the extra year of eligibility but you never know.

g32knights · Post by **g32knights** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:28 pm

Had my ACL surgery in November, have about a week to get cleared to run. Obviously I won't be doing near the physical activity of Ray, but I've gotten a small glimpse into what he went through.

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:33 pm

g32knights wrote:Had my ACL surgery in November, have about a week to get cleared to run. Obviously I won't be doing near the physical activity of Ray, but I've gotten a small glimpse into what he went through.

RIP my friend - ASUhater

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:52 pm

Merkin wrote:Don't think Ray is all that concerned about the extra year of eligibility but you never know.

I'm not as negative as hater, but I would wait until we see him action to decide the extra year isn't implicated. The "he should never play again" is a little nutso, but it isn't crazy to see his career trajectory as an unknown right now.

PennZona20 · Post by **PennZona20** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:51 pm

We all saw what happened to McClellan when injured knees hamper ur explosiveness.

He could def become a 4 year player now. Not saying I'd bet on it but I wouldn't rule it out either.

My guess is he goes the Bash route and is 3 and done no matter his draft status. He will likely have his degree by then too.

I think without the injury we were getting him for 2 years, this and next.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 4:17 pm

Well his legs are stronger than they were before his injury. It's a shame his career is over though.

http://tucson.com/online/video/youtube_ ... &id=201408" target="_blank

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:18 pm

Cool kid, seems like he's learned a lot since his injury/ rehab. Will be good to see him running the court soon.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:14 pm

He is a really impressive, well-spoken, and likable kid. What is even more amazing is the number of times I have said that in the last 6-7 years about players Miller has recruited to Arizona.

Beermancats · Post by **Beermancats** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:54 am

The only thing that is a slight concern and it really isn't a big deal is that Ray hasn't played in a competitive game of basketball since his junior year of high school. I know it's not like he hasn't touched a basketball in 3 years, but still, there should be quite a bit of rust built up to start next season. That's one of the reasons I think LM starts the season at the 4 and RS comes off the bench. Ease him back into the game. No pressure on him coming off the bench. What other team in the country will have a player of Ray's caliber coming off the bench? Next year should be fun.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:27 am

What're you all talking about? Ray Smith tore his second ACL. You don't live past that kind of thing:

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2011/a ... h-obituary

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Mon Feb 07, 2022 3:12 pm

Ran into Ray Smith near campus Saturday night. Graduated in 2019, I should have asked him what he's up to now. Said a quick hello and he walked away with a noticeable limp

1stNGrant Frys · Post by **1stNGrant Frys** » Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:22 pm

Jefe wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 3:12 pm Ran into Ray Smith near campus Saturday night. Graduated in 2019, I should have asked him what he's up to now. Said a quick hello and he walked away with a noticeable limp

is he technically still on staff?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:27 am

He didn't lose his hair and start wearing glasses?

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:36 pm

He did not haha

1stNGrant Frys wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:22 pm
Jefe wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 3:12 pm Ran into Ray Smith near campus Saturday night. Graduated in 2019, I should have asked him what he's up to now. Said a quick hello and he walked away with a noticeable limp
is he technically still on staff?

Not according to the athletics site and haven't seen him near the team bench for any game

Article from 2020:

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketbal ... covery-now

Smith on the mental toll of recovering from three ACL tears: “That’s a really good question because most people don’t think about the mental aspect of being injured, not being able to do something you love or not even being able to do the little things like getting up to go to the bathroom by yourself without crutches or being able to walk downstairs. It really takes a toll on your mind. And I personally know about two or three people who suffered injuries and had to quit their respective sports and they were just never the same. They used to be loving, outgoing and now they are very temperamental. Some of them have been diagnosed bipolar. So no one really understands that this is actually something that ruins peoples’ lives sometimes. But for me it took a long time, about two or three years, for me to just understand that maybe I have a different goal.”

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