lets talk '16

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:11 pm

NYCat wrote:I'm sorry but regardless of what Thornton does, he's not a PG in the association. He doesn't necessarily have NBA talent level, he's more of a high euro pro level. He couldn't create for anyone at Duke and had no offensive game or shooting. He's good defensively though. He needs a couple of years ago to develop, he shouldn't have reclassified or taken a reshirt year.

Yeah he got bamboozled by Duke to reclassify and now he's going to be replaced by Frank Jackson. Raw deal.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:12 pm

NYCat wrote:I'm sorry but regardless of what Thornton does, he's not a PG in the association. He doesn't necessarily have NBA talent level, he's more of a high euro pro level.

That's your assessment (and probably mine).

Question: do you think that's the assessment in his head?

Was it for Jarrett?

Was it for...[fill in the blank]?

You're trying to apply rationality to a (apparently, it seems) non-rational situation and that's exactly where people get themselves into "trouble".

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:14 pm

SCCats wrote:
NYCat wrote:I'm sorry but regardless of what Thornton does, he's not a PG in the association. He doesn't necessarily have NBA talent level, he's more of a high euro pro level.
That's your assessment (and probably mine).

Question: do you think that's the assessment in his head?

Was it for Jarrett?

Was it for...[fill in the blank]?

You're trying to apply rationality to a (apparently, it seems) non-rational situation and that's exactly where people get themselves into "trouble".

Hell if Thornton has the same assessment Jerrett did then transferring wouldn't even be an option. Undrafted free agent here he comes!

I don't see the non-rational in this situation?? He was overrecruited by a coach who convinced him to reclassify when he wasn't ready.

Also not too many 6'2 point guards that leave early for the NBA unless they earned it on the court.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:17 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:He was a freshman man. He's very talented, just needs some maturing. Look at Loren Woods at Wake Forest after two years. That was certainly a mistake on our part wouldn't you say?l

What he should do is what you say: transfer to a good situation and play out his years until he's ready.

Sadly all these high level players have been mind whipped since they were 14 years old into believing they're the next [fill in the blank here] and will be in college one year before they're off to NBA riches.

Now we could hope he can overcome this kind of almost psychological torture, but he would probably generally be the outlier not the norm.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:20 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:Hell if Thornton has the same assessment Jerrett did then transferring wouldn't even be an option. Undrafted free agent here he comes!

He's too young right? Has to be 19? Needs a home for a year.

I don't see the non-rational in this situation??

The non-rational situation is they have basically been "tortured" be their coaches, handlers, friends etc. for years and years being told they're a one and done. You can't see the non-rational situation because you haven't been "tortured" in the same way and can look at things from a detached distance. I have very little belief, at this point, that most of these 19 year old kids can do the same.

enfuego · Post by **enfuego** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:35 pm

Ferguson still taking KU and Baylor visits. KU may end up with Jackson and Ferguson after all.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:39 pm

enfuego wrote:Ferguson still taking KU and Baylor visits. KU may end up with Jackson and Ferguson after all.

Old news, we stopped recruiting both guys a year ago.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:48 pm

SCCats wrote:
He's too young right? Has to be 19? Needs a home for a year.

He was born in May 1997, the rule stipulates you have to be 19 at any point of the calendar year of the draft and a year removed from high school. If he wanted to be one and done he could be in this year's draft.

KOQSTRONG · Post by **KOQSTRONG** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:03 pm

enfuego wrote:Ferguson still taking KU and Baylor visits. KU may end up with Jackson and Ferguson after all.

Seems like Self does better with the old farts like Ellis and Selden than his flameout 1 year players like Diallo, Wiggins, Embiid, Alexander, McLemore, Selby, etc. Holy crap that is a long ass list of fail freshman for Kansas. It took a 30 year old Perry Ellis to get you the #1 overall seed and flame out in the Elite 8?? Hahahaha at Self making players better!!!

FreeSpiritCat · Post by **FreeSpiritCat** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:32 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
SCCats wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:Forget about Simmons?
For some reason in my mind I had Simmons as a SG.

My point still stands. I don't think the investment is worth it for one year at the PG position two years from now for a guy that averaged 7/2/1.
He was a freshman man. He's very talented, just needs some maturing. Look at Loren Woods at Wake Forest after two years. That was certainly a mistake on our part wouldn't you say?

If Arizona can do better (I'm looking at you Troy Brown and Trevon Duval) then ok I'm on board with you, but if Arizona doesn't feel confident then that's as good of a guy as we could hope for.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... ods-1.html" target="_blank

If Loren Woods didn't have problems with his back he would have been an All-American.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:06 am

SCCats wrote:
Chicat wrote:Why would Thornton only play one year?
Because he's the 14 ranked player in his class and has been told all his life he's a one and done and then onto NBA riches. Playing one year for us will have been his third year of college and he will probably already be itching to go even with his unusual situation.

I just think that, for players ranked like he was in today's environment, you can't expect them to stay around.

As ChooChoo pointed out, if he's really hell bent on leaving school early, why transfer at all? Why not just declare for the draft now? I feel like your reaching for a reason to not want this kid. Under the "I don't want anyone for just one year" logic, we should start recruiting like ASSU and take the Kodi Justices of the world just so we know they'll be around for a while.

We aren't at the schollie limit and Thornton wouldn't be forcing anyone out. I honestly don't see the downside without projecting massively as far as the kid's mindset and just assuming things that are not in evidence beyond his high school ranking.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:03 am

NYCat wrote:

Another interview with Scout

http://scouthoops.scout.com/story/16556 ... ecide-soon" target="_blank

Also a Terrance Ferguson interview with Scout

http://www.scout.com/college/basketball ... iding-soon" target="_blank

Terrance Ferguson talks Wildcats, gives timetable for college decision
"Once I get to the other colleges like Kansas and Baylor, then I can give you a better answer than I have," Ferguson told Rivals of his timeline. "The goal is April 13th."

http://www.azdesertswarm.com/recruiting ... ean-miller" target="_blank

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:16 am

It's not a good sign that TF is still taking visits to other places.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:27 am

Beachcat97 wrote:It's not a good sign that TF is still taking visits to other places.

If he decommitted just to come to UA we would've known about it a long time ago. Relax.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:37 am

Adam Rowe of 247, probably the best place you can get Duke is info pretty much saying Thornton is gone -- he usually right (they're also leading for M Bolden & Grayson Allen is expected to return).

I think Dana Altman, the king of transfer city will end up with him. Besides there are a lot of good PGs in 2017 -- idk if we should focus on Troy Brown (any 2017 PG) or Derryck Thornton (who might be more of a 3-4 year player).

Ferguson is pretty much ours and we need his athleticism and shooting, we need JJ to be on the same level as Duke & Kentucky.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:32 am

Beachcat97 wrote:It's not a good sign that TF is still taking visits to other places.

Why wouldn't he? Especially with JJ unknown, it makes no sense to lock himself in now.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:41 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:It's not a good sign that TF is still taking visits to other places.
Why wouldn't he? Especially with JJ unknown, it makes no sense to lock himself in now.

It makes perfect sense if the guy genuinely likes a school/coach. Almost every McD's AA has already committed.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:50 am

Beachcat97 wrote:It's not a good sign that TF is still taking visits to other places.

And immediately after that he said he was ready to commit whenever/any day. Earlier that day he said he would "LIKE" to visit those other places, but it wasnt really necessary as he had already seen them on unofficial visits.

So never have we heard, I like Arizona, but I need to take officials to Kansas and Baylor before I make my decision.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:17 am

Enjoy the process. I would do the same thing if I was a skilled elite athlete.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:19 am

I think Ferg commits tomorrow

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:23 am

Ferguson already committed too early once and some people think he shouldn't take his time and some visits this go round? Heh...

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:01 am

NYCat wrote:

Another interview with Scout

http://scouthoops.scout.com/story/16556 ... ecide-soon" target="_blank

Also a Terrance Ferguson interview with Scout

http://www.scout.com/college/basketball ... iding-soon" target="_blank

Ferguson's interview with Scout (after the 3:15 min mark)

"my mom loves it, if mom says it's a go... it's a go".

Sounds like Mom loves Miller.. and she's pulling the strings.
67% guess seems solid.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:01 am

Just sitting here listening to a conversation between three men about Arizona basketball that has been going on for about ten minutes now. Some highlights include, "I'm glad Zeus is gone. He was worthless no reason a big man can't step out and make shots from 15 feet," "Next year is going to be rough. We don't have any shooters like Gabe York. We are losing all our offense and won't have any scorers and are gonna have to run and press to create points," and "That's the knock on Miller, his team's are always bad on offense. Look how many points we scored in the Wichita state game."

Ironically, an Arizona basketball letter winner from the early 60s just walked into the room. The conversation stopped.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:01 pm

Having a scrimmage at the McDonalds game right now on ESPNU if you guys want to watch

Dosia · Post by **Dosia** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:19 pm

rgdeuce wrote:Just sitting here listening to a conversation between three men about Arizona basketball that has been going on for about ten minutes now. Some highlights include, "I'm glad Zeus is gone. He was worthless no reason a big man can't step out and make shots from 15 feet," "Next year is going to be rough. We don't have any shooters like Gabe York. We are losing all our offense and won't have any scorers and are gonna have to run and press to create points," and "That's the knock on Miller, his team's are always bad on offense. Look how many points we scored in the Wichita state game."

Ironically, an Arizona basketball letter winner from the early 60s just walked into the room. The conversation stopped.

Filthy casuals

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:28 pm

rgdeuce wrote:Just sitting here listening to a conversation between three men about Arizona basketball that has been going on for about ten minutes now. Some highlights include, "I'm glad Zeus is gone. He was worthless no reason a big man can't step out and make shots from 15 feet," "Next year is going to be rough. We don't have any shooters like Gabe York. We are losing all our offense and won't have any scorers and are gonna have to run and press to create points," and "That's the knock on Miller, his team's are always bad on offense. Look how many points we scored in the Wichita state game."

Ironically, an Arizona basketball letter winner from the early 60s just walked into the room. The conversation stopped.

Complaining about Wichita State is valid. The rest is basically an 0-9 peformance.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:41 pm

enfuego wrote:Ferguson still taking KU and Baylor visits. KU may end up with Jackson and Ferguson after all.

Right. And Kansas could host the next Winter Olympics. Anything is possible!

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:45 pm

Dosia wrote:
rgdeuce wrote:Just sitting here listening to a conversation between three men about Arizona basketball that has been going on for about ten minutes now. Some highlights include, "I'm glad Zeus is gone. He was worthless no reason a big man can't step out and make shots from 15 feet," "Next year is going to be rough. We don't have any shooters like Gabe York. We are losing all our offense and won't have any scorers and are gonna have to run and press to create points," and "That's the knock on Miller, his team's are always bad on offense. Look how many points we scored in the Wichita state game."

Ironically, an Arizona basketball letter winner from the early 60s just walked into the room. The conversation stopped.
Filthy casuals

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:41 pm

NYCat wrote:

Kobi Simmons new #1 recruiter

Terrance Ferguson will decide on April 13th (rivals video above)

Josh Jackson will announce after Nike Hoop Summit (4/9)↓

Asked whether he and people in his circle have disagreed about his school of choice during the process, Jackson said: "There was a little bit of truth to that."

"Everybody doesn't have the same opinion about things, so sometimes people look at things a little different, and people are gonna have disagreements," Jackson said. "But at the end of the day, I've got to make the decision that is best for me."
Asked whether everyone is on the same page now, he said: "Yes."

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:49 pm

Ferguson said he could commit at any time. He said the goal is to be committed by that date in April, not to commit on that date necessarily. I'd wait until he actually schedules a visit before panicking.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:54 pm

I want a camp. Settle for a posse.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:11 pm

gumby wrote:I want a camp. Settle for a posse.

I have an Entourage . . . . . Season 1 DVD.

Thanks, I'll see myself out.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:45 am

Chicat wrote:
gumby wrote:I want a camp. Settle for a posse.
I have an Entourage . . . . . Season 1 DVD.

Thanks, I'll see myself out.

Can I just have Sloan?

No, not that one!

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:17 pm

I blame Lebron.

Yeti · Post by **Yeti** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:41 pm

2016 four-star Taurean Thompson now has offers from Arizona and Connecticut according to Brewster Academy head coach Jason Smith.

A skilled 6-9 power forward, Thompson is ranked No. 78 in the 247Sports Composite.

Kansas offered him last month.

Syracuse leads Seton Hall in his Crystal Ball

http://247sports.com/Bolt/2016-four-sta ... s-44552516" target="_blank

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzYk0-ZuHnI" target="_blank

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:49 pm

Yeti wrote:2016 four-star Taurean Thompson now has offers from Arizona and Connecticut according to Brewster Academy head coach Jason Smith.

A skilled 6-9 power forward, Thompson is ranked No. 78 in the 247Sports Composite.

Kansas offered him last month.

Syracuse leads Seton Hall in his Crystal Ball

http://247sports.com/Bolt/2016-four-sta ... s-44552516" target="_blank

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzYk0-ZuHnI" target="_blank

Welcome to the board Yeti.

Going to be tough to make up ground in this one, but this offer would seem to fall in line with CSM wanting a legit PF to round out the class.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:14 pm

Ferguson's final dunk was on SC Top 10

http://websta.me/p/1216382155581267776_370570742" target="_blank

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:19 pm

Jefe wrote:Ferguson's final dunk was on SC Top 10

http://websta.me/p/1216382155581267776_370570742" target="_blank

Smooth. Did he win?

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:32 pm

gumby wrote:
Jefe wrote:Ferguson's final dunk was on SC Top 10

http://websta.me/p/1216382155581267776_370570742" target="_blank
Smooth. Did he win?

No, and he couldn't get a dunk on the first try (two dunks per round). He also did pretty bad in the 3pt contest. JJ was also lackluster in the dunk contest, the whole field missed about 3-5 times each time before dunking which took away any impact when they finally got it.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:43 pm

Could Anthony Livingston be in a Wildcat uniform?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:15 pm

In 2016-17, do we become the Jackson 5? Are we Fergilicious? Maybe just Kobi and beef? God forbid all 3?

For real, if we get Ferguson, I want to hear Fergilicious all the time at McKale.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:24 pm

The Ferguson interview made me feel good about our shot. He said he might not go to KU, Maryland, Baylor and forgot NC State on his list, then praised Kobi and said he was the #1 recruiter.

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:40 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
NYCat wrote:I'm sorry but regardless of what Thornton does, he's not a PG in the association. He doesn't necessarily have NBA talent level, he's more of a high euro pro level. He couldn't create for anyone at Duke and had no offensive game or shooting. He's good defensively though. He needs a couple of years ago to develop, he shouldn't have reclassified or taken a reshirt year.
Yeah he got bamboozled by Duke to reclassify and now he's going to be replaced by Frank Jackson. Raw deal.

I don't see anyway how Jackson is not the starting PG next year. Kid is a stud.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:13 pm

Irish27 wrote:Could Anthony Livingston be in a Wildcat uniform?

This guy?:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... cer-throat

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:29 pm

If you guys caught the segment of the AA's w the kiddos, who seemed to be the most into it and having the best time? It was written all over his face. Mr Ferguson

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:15 pm

We'll see if this is real or just an April Fools joke

Dosia · Post by **Dosia** » Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:19 pm

Main Event wrote:
We'll see if this is real or just an April Fools joke

Hopefully he gets it over with

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:20 pm

Oh sh#t, didn't think of that

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Sat Apr 02, 2016 6:15 pm

http://www.burntorangenation.com/2016/3 ... orns-visit" target="_blank

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:47 pm

Miller has connection to Tulane transfer:

http://tucson.com/miller-s-connections- ... d5d43.html" target="_blank

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