2017-2018 Arizona Basketball

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:31 am

Main Event wrote:

The top four Pac teams are legit.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:32 am

I could see Stanford finishing higher. I’m also not sold on this Oregon team. They lost everybody.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:38 am

Beachcat97 wrote:I could see Stanford finishing higher. I’m also not sold on this Oregon team. They lost everybody.

Oregon pays their players more than Stanford though

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:54 am

Longhorned wrote:An Oregon beat writer picked Oregon #1, and Arizona #4.

Wait seriously? Must be banking on USC and Arizona getting dicked by the NCAA before the season starts.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:35 am

Media day is on y'all.

USC up now. Arizona up...later.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:36 am

Watch on periscope here.

https://www.pscp.tv/ZonaZealots/1jMKgPREMzXGL" target="_blank

Enfield sounds like a jackass - thank God for Miller.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:26 am

Despite investigation, Arizona Wildcats picked to win Pac-12 basketball title

Bruce Pascoe Arizona Daily Star Oct 12, 2017 Updated 2 hrs ago

SAN FRANCISCO — Despite the federal allegations and potential NCAA issues hanging over their heads, the Wildcats were still picked to win the Pac-12 basketball championship this season.

In a vote of media members who regularly cover the league, the Wildcats picked up 22 of 23 first-place votes in the predictions announced Thursday morning, in advance of the conference's annual preseason media day.

http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcat ... op-story-1" target="_blank

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:38 am

There's no one in this league with the size and speed to really check Ayton. If he keeps getting better throughout the season, we should be scary by March. Get the freshmen minutes so our bench gets deeper, especially BR and EA. Get Rawle healthy. Get PJC to limit TOs and make smart decisions consistently. This team can win a title. It's obvious.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:53 am

HiCat wrote:Despite investigation, Arizona Wildcats picked to win Pac-12 basketball title

Bruce Pascoe Arizona Daily Star Oct 12, 2017 Updated 2 hrs ago

SAN FRANCISCO — Despite the federal allegations and potential NCAA issues hanging over their heads, the Wildcats were still picked to win the Pac-12 basketball championship this season.

In a vote of media members who regularly cover the league, the Wildcats picked up 22 of 23 first-place votes in the predictions announced Thursday morning, in advance of the conference's annual preseason media day.

http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcat ... op-story-1" target="_blank

Why include the allegations? Headlines and articles like that are why I roll my eyes at media coverage. There's zero actual impact on the season at this point, unless you think Book Richardson was the straw that stirs our drink.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:07 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Get PJC to limit TOs and make smart decisions consistently.

That's not a concern. He had a more than 3:1 A:TO last year, up from 2.4 the year prior.

Get PJC improve his offense (take more shots from three, improve his two point jumper %, and/or improve his finishing % at the rim)... get PJC to stay healthy and strong enough to play 1,200min... get PJC to be more of a vocal leader. Those are my asks.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:08 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
HiCat wrote:Despite investigation, Arizona Wildcats picked to win Pac-12 basketball title

Bruce Pascoe Arizona Daily Star Oct 12, 2017 Updated 2 hrs ago

SAN FRANCISCO — Despite the federal allegations and potential NCAA issues hanging over their heads, the Wildcats were still picked to win the Pac-12 basketball championship this season.

In a vote of media members who regularly cover the league, the Wildcats picked up 22 of 23 first-place votes in the predictions announced Thursday morning, in advance of the conference's annual preseason media day.

http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcat ... op-story-1" target="_blank
Why include the allegations? Headlines and articles like that are why I roll my eyes at media coverage. There's zero actual impact on the season at this point, unless you think Book Richardson was the straw that stirs our drink.

Yeah I recoiled a bit but the allegations crossed my mind when I saw the list. There is the "existing unknown player" to deal with.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:10 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
HiCat wrote:Despite investigation, Arizona Wildcats picked to win Pac-12 basketball title

Bruce Pascoe Arizona Daily Star Oct 12, 2017 Updated 2 hrs ago

SAN FRANCISCO — Despite the federal allegations and potential NCAA issues hanging over their heads, the Wildcats were still picked to win the Pac-12 basketball championship this season.

In a vote of media members who regularly cover the league, the Wildcats picked up 22 of 23 first-place votes in the predictions announced Thursday morning, in advance of the conference's annual preseason media day.

http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcat ... op-story-1" target="_blank
Why include the allegations? Headlines and articles like that are why I roll my eyes at media coverage. There's zero actual impact on the season at this point, unless you think Book Richardson was the straw that stirs our drink.
Yeah I recoiled a bit but the allegations crossed my mind when I saw the list. There is the "existing unknown player" to deal with.

There is also providing/finding proof of said existing unknown player to deal with first.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:13 pm

Arizona on here: https://www.pscp.tv/ZonaZealots/1zqKVRdOgMpKB" target="_blank

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:13 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
HiCat wrote:Despite investigation, Arizona Wildcats picked to win Pac-12 basketball title

Bruce Pascoe Arizona Daily Star Oct 12, 2017 Updated 2 hrs ago

SAN FRANCISCO — Despite the federal allegations and potential NCAA issues hanging over their heads, the Wildcats were still picked to win the Pac-12 basketball championship this season.

In a vote of media members who regularly cover the league, the Wildcats picked up 22 of 23 first-place votes in the predictions announced Thursday morning, in advance of the conference's annual preseason media day.

http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcat ... op-story-1" target="_blank
Why include the allegations? Headlines and articles like that are why I roll my eyes at media coverage. There's zero actual impact on the season at this point, unless you think Book Richardson was the straw that stirs our drink.
Yeah I recoiled a bit but the allegations crossed my mind when I saw the list. There is the "existing unknown player" to deal with.
There is also providing/finding proof of said existing unknown player to deal with first.

Exactly. To reach that point, you need:

1. The statement to be true.
2. Locate the person.
3. Corroborate that statement about that person.

Really, you can't say any of that, and I would figure players aren't lining up to self-report even if it is true.

CatHoops · Post by **CatHoops** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:21 pm

The report says player 7 and 8 but you can bet Uofa and the ncaa know who they are.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:50 pm

CatHoops wrote:The report says player 7 and 8 but you can bet Uofa and the ncaa know who they are.

Those aren't the players of concern because there was no indication that they received money, just that they would be directed to the sports management agency.

ANYWAYS

Can we get this year's discussion back to stuff not relating to the investigation? There's a whole thread for that.

CatHoops · Post by **CatHoops** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:03 pm

Yes sir. April Texas Bound

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:23 am

Beachcat97 wrote:There's no one in this league with the size and speed to really check Ayton. If he keeps getting better throughout the season, we should be scary by March. Get the freshmen minutes so our bench gets deeper, especially BR and EA. Get Rawle healthy. Get PJC to limit TOs and make smart decisions consistently. This team can win a title. It's obvious.

Not if you go ask Michael Miller over at Bruin Zone - he doubts anyone in the conference, including Ayton, will be able to check Cody Riley.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:30 am

Statfreak77 wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:There's no one in this league with the size and speed to really check Ayton. If he keeps getting better throughout the season, we should be scary by March. Get the freshmen minutes so our bench gets deeper, especially BR and EA. Get Rawle healthy. Get PJC to limit TOs and make smart decisions consistently. This team can win a title. It's obvious.
Not if you go ask Michael Miller over at Bruin Zone - he doubts anyone in the conference, including Ayton, will be able to check Cody Riley.

Please be respectful and say RIP when you mention Cody Riley.

https://youtu.be/trOc3NDO148" target="_blank

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:45 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:There's no one in this league with the size and speed to really check Ayton. If he keeps getting better throughout the season, we should be scary by March. Get the freshmen minutes so our bench gets deeper, especially BR and EA. Get Rawle healthy. Get PJC to limit TOs and make smart decisions consistently. This team can win a title. It's obvious.
Not if you go ask Michael Miller over at Bruin Zone - he doubts anyone in the conference, including Ayton, will be able to check Cody Riley.
Please be respectful and say RIP when you mention Cody Riley.

https://youtu.be/trOc3NDO148" target="_blank

Go check out this post:

http://www.bruinzone.com/b12/messages/2033.shtml" target="_blank

He is already saying that Riley is going to lay out Trier IF he gets by a defender. Jajajajajaja

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:56 am

Statfreak77 wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:There's no one in this league with the size and speed to really check Ayton. If he keeps getting better throughout the season, we should be scary by March. Get the freshmen minutes so our bench gets deeper, especially BR and EA. Get Rawle healthy. Get PJC to limit TOs and make smart decisions consistently. This team can win a title. It's obvious.
Not if you go ask Michael Miller over at Bruin Zone - he doubts anyone in the conference, including Ayton, will be able to check Cody Riley.
Please be respectful and say RIP when you mention Cody Riley.

https://youtu.be/trOc3NDO148" target="_blank
Go check out this post:

http://www.bruinzone.com/b12/messages/2033.shtml" target="_blank

He is already saying that Riley is going to lay out Trier IF he gets by a defender. Jajajajajaja

I actually saw a few Riley games when watching Bagley at Sierra Canyon.

Arizona comparison: Sidiki Johnson. He has the same sort of strong, slighly undersized build combined with a game that is good in a playground setting. When he has to demonstrate post or perimeter skill, maybe not so much. Needs to develop.

That post is funny. Like being able to take a hard foul on someone driving is something that separates him. Heck, I could go out there and hammer Trier in the air. It's nice to have an enforcer, but the Mason comparison is nuts. Mason may have had the best handle of any PF ever and had exceptional post footwork. Riley has neither.

Edit: I saw him make 2 jumpers one time, so he might be Anthony Mason (NBA All Star).

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:53 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote: Go check out this post:

http://www.bruinzone.com/b12/messages/2033.shtml" target="_blank

He is already saying that Riley is going to lay out Trier IF he gets by a defender. Jajajajajaja
I actually saw a few Riley games when watching Bagley at Sierra Canyon.

Arizona comparison: Sidiki Johnson. He has the same sort of strong, slighly undersized build combined with a game that is good in a playground setting. When he has to demonstrate post or perimeter skill, maybe not so much. Needs to develop.

That post is funny. Like being able to take a hard foul on someone driving is something that separates him. Heck, I could go out there and hammer Trier in the air. It's nice to have an enforcer, but the Mason comparison is nuts. Mason may have had the best handle of any PF ever and had exceptional post footwork. Riley has neither.

Edit: I saw him make 2 jumpers one time, so he might be Anthony Mason (NBA All Star).

It's not just Cody Riley guys... http://www.bruinzone.com/b12/messages/1985.shtml" target="_blank

Jalen Hill is as good of a midrange shooter as Tom Welsh (who led UCLA in 2pt jumpers the last three years and FT% last year). He's also a better athlete than Ike Anigbogu (who played 13min/g and was drafted solely on his physical gifts).

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:58 am

"Every year of Alford's UCLA tenure he has been able to steadily and progressively build his roster deeper and more balanced. It's been fascinating to observe how he has gone about this."

This is insane. OK I can't spend my day reading delusional Bruins fans...

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:19 am

YoDeFoe wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Statfreak77 wrote: Go check out this post:

http://www.bruinzone.com/b12/messages/2033.shtml" target="_blank

He is already saying that Riley is going to lay out Trier IF he gets by a defender. Jajajajajaja
I actually saw a few Riley games when watching Bagley at Sierra Canyon.

Arizona comparison: Sidiki Johnson. He has the same sort of strong, slighly undersized build combined with a game that is good in a playground setting. When he has to demonstrate post or perimeter skill, maybe not so much. Needs to develop.

That post is funny. Like being able to take a hard foul on someone driving is something that separates him. Heck, I could go out there and hammer Trier in the air. It's nice to have an enforcer, but the Mason comparison is nuts. Mason may have had the best handle of any PF ever and had exceptional post footwork. Riley has neither.

Edit: I saw him make 2 jumpers one time, so he might be Anthony Mason (NBA All Star).
It's not just Cody Riley guys... http://www.bruinzone.com/b12/messages/1985.shtml" target="_blank

Jalen Hill is as good of a midrange shooter as Tom Welsh (who led UCLA in 2pt jumpers the last three years and FT% last year). He's also a better athlete than Ike Anigbogu (who played 13min/g and was drafted solely on his physical gifts).

I saw that one about Anigbogu and was floored with the level of stupidity involved.

However, then I kept reading posts from that Michael Miller and realized this guy lives in a world full of delusion.

Statfreak77 · Post by **Statfreak77** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:20 am

YoDeFoe wrote:"Every year of Alford's UCLA tenure he has been able to steadily and progressively build his roster deeper and more balanced. It's been fascinating to observe how he has gone about this."

This is insane. OK I can't spend my day reading delusional Bruins fans...

It's pure entertainment, IMO.

I just go over there and look for posts made by this Michael Miller. It's a comic relief, really.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:42 pm

Ok one more:

"As I said, I think the class will be Quinerly, Singelton, Bernard, Bagley and Reid." -same poster.

2/5 and one had already committed to UCLA hahaha. They treat this guy like a prophet.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:50 pm

Does anyone know if Red/Blue is on TV?

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:31 am

http://www.arizonawildcats.com/schedule ... hedule=388" target="_blank

University of Arizona Logo
Oct 20 (Fri) 7:00 PM MST PAC-12 NETWORKS
vs McDonald's Red-Blue Game
Tucson, Ariz.

Watch

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:24 pm

We're going to roll through the OOC schedule and then get our all-league starter back for all or most of the Pac schedule. Good times ahead.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:53 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:We're going to roll through the OOC schedule and then get our all-league starter back for all or most of the Pac schedule. Good times ahead.

We should have some tough games between the schools we host (Texas A&M and Alabama) and the (potential) three games in Atlantis (NC State, SMU/UNI, Nova/Purdue).

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:13 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:We're going to roll through the OOC schedule and then get our all-league starter back for all or most of the Pac schedule. Good times ahead.
We should have some tough games between the schools we host (Texas A&M and Alabama) and the (potential) three games in Atlantis (NC State, SMU/UNI, Nova/Purdue).

We're not losing at home in the OOC schedule. The Atlantis games will be interesting.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:55 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:We're going to roll through the OOC schedule and then get our all-league starter back for all or most of the Pac schedule. Good times ahead.
We should have some tough games between the schools we host (Texas A&M and Alabama) and the (potential) three games in Atlantis (NC State, SMU/UNI, Nova/Purdue).

Texas A&M is "neutral" in Talking Stick Resort Arena

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:42 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:We're going to roll through the OOC schedule and then get our all-league starter back for all or most of the Pac schedule. Good times ahead.
We should have some tough games between the schools we host (Texas A&M and Alabama) and the (potential) three games in Atlantis (NC State, SMU/UNI, Nova/Purdue).
Texas A&M is "neutral" in Talking Stick Resort Arena

A&M is legit this year. That'll be a nice early season test.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:40 pm

The bottom of the Pac is dreadful. Very little talent and very little depth. Oregon lost an awful lot. Regardless of how much new talent arrives, it's gonna takes some time for them to gel. Stanford is under the radar and will surprise. And ASU should benefit from such a weak bottom half of the conference. They'll back their way into a decent spot.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:15 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:We're going to roll through the OOC schedule and then get our all-league starter back for all or most of the Pac schedule. Good times ahead.
We should have some tough games between the schools we host (Texas A&M and Alabama) and the (potential) three games in Atlantis (NC State, SMU/UNI, Nova/Purdue).
Texas A&M is "neutral" in Talking Stick Resort Arena

Wha??? Cool.

When do tickets go on sale?

EDIT: Texas AM isn't part of the Atlantis games...Its Dec 5.

Boo, won't be able to go...

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:22 pm

zonagrad wrote:The bottom of the Pac is dreadful. Very little talent and very little depth. Oregon lost an awful lot. Regardless of how much new talent arrives, it's gonna takes some time for them to gel. Stanford is under the radar and will surprise. And ASU should benefit from such a weak bottom half of the conference. They'll back their way into a decent spot.

I'm also not sold on USC yet. I know that roster is loaded, but we'll have to see whether those freshmen will make an immediate impact. Trojans should be solid, but I've seen some putting them in the top 10, which sounds crazy. I think 2nd through 5th in the Pac are wide open.

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:35 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
zonagrad wrote:The bottom of the Pac is dreadful. Very little talent and very little depth. Oregon lost an awful lot. Regardless of how much new talent arrives, it's gonna takes some time for them to gel. Stanford is under the radar and will surprise. And ASU should benefit from such a weak bottom half of the conference. They'll back their way into a decent spot.
I'm also not sold on USC yet. I know that roster is loaded, but we'll have to see whether those freshmen will make an immediate impact. Trojans should be solid, but I've seen some putting them in the top 10, which sounds crazy. I think 2nd through 5th in the Pac are wide open.

A&M is legit yet you aren't sold on USC? Did you watch any basketball after you got banned from here last year? Your takes are wildly emotional, and rarely rational.

IndianaZonaFan · Post by **IndianaZonaFan** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:39 am

dcZONAfan wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
zonagrad wrote:The bottom of the Pac is dreadful. Very little talent and very little depth. Oregon lost an awful lot. Regardless of how much new talent arrives, it's gonna takes some time for them to gel. Stanford is under the radar and will surprise. And ASU should benefit from such a weak bottom half of the conference. They'll back their way into a decent spot.
I'm also not sold on USC yet. I know that roster is loaded, but we'll have to see whether those freshmen will make an immediate impact. Trojans should be solid, but I've seen some putting them in the top 10, which sounds crazy. I think 2nd through 5th in the Pac are wide open.
A&M is legit yet you aren't sold on USC? Did you watch any basketball after you got banned from here last year? Your takes are wildly emotional, and rarely rational.

Agreed. Went from rolling through OOC to A&M being legit and Atlantis being interesting. If you aren’t sold on USC, then who in all of YOUR reality do you fear in the PAC, assuming Rawle is 100% by then?

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:57 am

USC is stacked. They have four guys who can play with the ball in their hands (McLaughlin, Melton, Matthews, Thornton), good perimeter defenders (McLaughlin, Melton, Matthews, Stewart), good outside shooters (McLaughlin, Stewart, Boatwright), some length at wing (Stewart, Aaron, O'Bannon), and two NBA caliber bigs (Boatwright, Metu). Their coaching is suspect and I wonder if the team chemistry holds with that many dudes trying to achieve individual goals in a single season. That's all you can bank on beyond just being better than a very talented and well rounded roster.

I like Trier, Alkins, and Ayton as game changers for us, as well as our coaching. That core three with the steady service of PJC and Ristic plus a bevy of young shooters gives me a lot of confidence. But USC's guard play and the two outstanding front court players will be a problem.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:47 am

Look. I watched USC last year. They finished in the middle of a top-heavy Pac. They’re now a year older with some new impact players. I see the potential, but I’m just not yet convinced that Enfield can make a run at a Pac title. On paper, they’re the 2nd best team in the league. But would it surprise anyone to see Oregon finish ahead of SC? And Stanford has the best forward in the league.

Heading into last season, it was obvious that AZ, Oregon, and UCLA were the three best teams. The top three aren’t as clear this year. That’s all I’m saying.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:09 am

YoDeFoe wrote:USC is stacked. They have four guys who can play with the ball in their hands (McLaughlin, Melton, Matthews, Thornton), good perimeter defenders (McLaughlin, Melton, Matthews, Stewart), good outside shooters (McLaughlin, Stewart, Boatwright), some length at wing (Stewart, Aaron, O'Bannon), and two NBA caliber bigs (Boatwright, Metu). Their coaching is suspect and I wonder if the team chemistry holds with that many dudes trying to achieve individual goals in a single season. That's all you can bank on beyond just being better than a very talented and well rounded roster.

I like Trier, Alkins, and Ayton as game changers for us, as well as our coaching. That core three with the steady service of PJC and Ristic plus a bevy of young shooters gives me a lot of confidence. But USC's guard play and the two outstanding front court players will be a problem.

Agree with this. They have a lot of talent. I think we are more talented and have a definitive advatage at coach.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:22 am

We also have the home court advantage seeing as we only play them once and it's in McKale. If we meet them in Vegas you could literally call that a home game as well.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:54 am

Better

I think OSU can surprise. Lotta injuries last year. They'll have Tinkle, Thompson Jr. and Eubanks, all juniors. They will be better. Maybe better than Utah and Colorado.

If ASU gets any kind of frontcourt help. Good backcourt. They will be better.

Stanford will be better, but still weak in the backcourt.

Arizona -- If key players survive, we will advance.

USC -- Already stacked. Add Thornton and freshmen. But could lose a player or two, too.

Worse

UW -- When your star is Thybulle ...

Wazzu -- Malachi Flynn is going to be exhausted come February.

Cal -- No Rabb, no Moore, no hope.

Utah -- lost good players

Colorado -- lost stud guard

UCLA -- Lost a ton, including one special Ball player.

Oregon -- Not Final Four this year.

Overall

Worse, plus two best teams under a cloud.

Pop McKale · Post by **Pop McKale** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:03 am

gumby wrote:Better

I think OSU can surprise. Lotta injuries last year. They'll have Tinkle, Thompson Jr. and Eubanks, all juniors. They will be better. Maybe better than Utah and Colorado.

If ASU gets any kind of frontcourt help. Good backcourt. They will be better.

Stanford will be better, but still weak in the backcourt.

Arizona -- If key players survive, we will advance.

USC -- Already stacked. Add Thornton and freshmen. But could lose a player or two, too.

Worse

UW -- When your star is Thybulle ...

Wazzu -- Malachi Flynn is going to be exhausted come February.

Cal -- No Rabb, no Moore, no hope.

Utah -- lost good players

Colorado -- lost stud guard

UCLA -- Lost a ton, including one special Ball player.

Oregon -- Not Final Four this year.

Overall

Worse, plus two best teams under a cloud.

Excellent summary -- about where I'm at also. I hate saying it, but while Oregon will be "worse" they'll still be tough. Altman seems to find a way no matter the turnover. Bugs the crap out of me.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:08 am

Me, too. Lotta Ducks in my orbit. Doesn't help.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:08 am

Hard to predict the PAC this year...outside of 2 teams IMO

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:12 am

Olsondogg wrote:Hard to predict the PAC this year...outside of 2 teams IMO

I agree with this. Arizona and SC are the teams you expect to be good. Oregon and UCLA lost a lot and brought in a lot of talent. Everyone else has holes.

I trust Altman as a coach far more than Alford, but both UCLA and Oregon shuld be dangerous at a bare minimum.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:08 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Get PJC to limit TOs and make smart decisions consistently.
That's not a concern. He had a more than 3:1 A:TO last year, up from 2.4 the year prior.

Get PJC improve his offense (take more shots from three, improve his two point jumper %, and/or improve his finishing % at the rim)... get PJC to stay healthy and strong enough to play 1,200min... get PJC to be more of a vocal leader. Those are my asks.

Full effort on defense, improve consistency. All I ask.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:56 pm

rgdeuce wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Get PJC to limit TOs and make smart decisions consistently.
That's not a concern. He had a more than 3:1 A:TO last year, up from 2.4 the year prior.

Get PJC improve his offense (take more shots from three, improve his two point jumper %, and/or improve his finishing % at the rim)... get PJC to stay healthy and strong enough to play 1,200min... get PJC to be more of a vocal leader. Those are my asks.
Full effort on defense, improve consistency. All I ask.

It's not too much to ask. PJC isn't an all-Pac player; far from it. But he's got enough skill to hold down the fort this year. It will help, too, that we've got nice backcourt depth.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:24 pm

rgdeuce wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Get PJC to limit TOs and make smart decisions consistently.
That's not a concern. He had a more than 3:1 A:TO last year, up from 2.4 the year prior.

Get PJC improve his offense (take more shots from three, improve his two point jumper %, and/or improve his finishing % at the rim)... get PJC to stay healthy and strong enough to play 1,200min... get PJC to be more of a vocal leader. Those are my asks.
Full effort on defense, improve consistency. All I ask.

Make a semi-positive impact in big games against good teams. That's all I want.

The 5 points and 5 assists vs Xavier with 1 for 5 shooting...that's not going to help us get all the way. 5.3 ppg and 3.3 apg in the tourney playing 22, 24 and 27 mpg. He won't be our stalwart leader, but he has to be someone that gives us something.

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