Valley of the Sun Shootout

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:32 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:I agree with the attack-mode philosophy. Gotta come out with an edge because it will be near impossible to dig ourselves out of a 10+ point hole.

I feel like Sean Miller does not attack guys that often in that aspect. Hope it happens.

Also I like a good hard clean foul on him. Let him know it is not going to be a stroll in the park.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:42 pm

RondaeShimmy wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:
RondaeShimmy wrote:Texas A&M -1
That's the KenPom prediction - his model isn't all that reliable until about Jan or Feb when the prior season influence burns off.

Actual spread is A&M -3.5.
Nah it opened as a pick em then moved to 1 when I posted that spread. Now its moved to 3½

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-bas ... me/2100#BT" target="_blank

Apologies, you're correct. Honestly surprised it opened that tight.

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:00 pm

Me as well. That Nassau trip really messed with me. Never left a AZ game at half before

DiehardDave37 · Post by **DiehardDave37** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:03 pm

I think they open based on KenPom and let the bettors move it from there.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:46 pm

Cats will cover.

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:56 pm

azcat49 wrote:Cats will cover.

Aggs by 2.5 now

UALoco · Post by **UALoco** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:57 pm

If we pull this out..I will have to resist the urge to rush the court.

UALoco · Post by **UALoco** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:10 am

UALoco wrote:Looking at the seat map on Ticketmaster, looks like the lower bowl is 75% and the upper bowl is 30% full. Knowing there are a number of tix sold to GCU folks, and Valley fans show up late, the stadium prolly will look less full than that. The FBI investigation and losing the 3 in the Bahamas sure didn't help to build up buzz or momentum around this team going into the game. An unranked Arizona vs Top 10 TAMU looks a lot less appealing than a #2 vs #10 matchup. My vote would be to put all early season, neutral court games in Vegas or San Diego going forward. Places where regular fans can get to via a small road trip. And if the CATS stink it up, hey, you are at least in a town where you can find something to do. Forget this Bahamas and Hawaii crap where it is too expensive and you have to plan WAY in advance unless you are a person of means. Also, I hate to say it, but Phoenix doesn't look like a good destination either if there isn't a brisk last minute or walk-up traffic.

Looking at the seat map this morning and it doesn't look much fuller than 75% lower/30% upper. Pretty disappointing. I remember the 7-up shoot outs being packed. I am typically not one to complain about pricing but $125 ea. lower bowl is pricey. It is $75 behind the backboards and $30 upper bowls but everyone wants great seats these days. That said, I am surprised how many of my Phoenix Cat friends aren't even considering going to the game. I guess the weekday scheduling isn't ideal. Would it have been so hard to make this game on Fri-Sat?

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:15 am

UALoco wrote:
UALoco wrote:Looking at the seat map on Ticketmaster, looks like the lower bowl is 75% and the upper bowl is 30% full. Knowing there are a number of tix sold to GCU folks, and Valley fans show up late, the stadium prolly will look less full than that. The FBI investigation and losing the 3 in the Bahamas sure didn't help to build up buzz or momentum around this team going into the game. An unranked Arizona vs Top 10 TAMU looks a lot less appealing than a #2 vs #10 matchup. My vote would be to put all early season, neutral court games in Vegas or San Diego going forward. Places where regular fans can get to via a small road trip. And if the CATS stink it up, hey, you are at least in a town where you can find something to do. Forget this Bahamas and Hawaii crap where it is too expensive and you have to plan WAY in advance unless you are a person of means. Also, I hate to say it, but Phoenix doesn't look like a good destination either if there isn't a brisk last minute or walk-up traffic.
Looking at the seat map this morning and it doesn't look much fuller than 75% lower/30% upper. Pretty disappointing. I remember the 7-up shoot outs being packed. I am typically not one to complain about pricing but $125 ea. lower bowl is pricey. It is $75 behind the backboards and $30 upper bowls but everyone wants great seats these days. That said, I am surprised how many of my Phoenix Cat friends aren't even considering going to the game. I guess the weekday scheduling isn't ideal. Would it have been so hard to make this game on Fri-Sat?

I know a good number going but also a few others are not able to go due to it being a weeknight with kids and work stuff. A Saturday or Sunday would be better for some fans.

Per Tucson writers, there was a lot of empty seats vs Long Beach at McKale

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:19 am

UALoco wrote:
UALoco wrote:Looking at the seat map on Ticketmaster, looks like the lower bowl is 75% and the upper bowl is 30% full. Knowing there are a number of tix sold to GCU folks, and Valley fans show up late, the stadium prolly will look less full than that. The FBI investigation and losing the 3 in the Bahamas sure didn't help to build up buzz or momentum around this team going into the game. An unranked Arizona vs Top 10 TAMU looks a lot less appealing than a #2 vs #10 matchup. My vote would be to put all early season, neutral court games in Vegas or San Diego going forward. Places where regular fans can get to via a small road trip. And if the CATS stink it up, hey, you are at least in a town where you can find something to do. Forget this Bahamas and Hawaii crap where it is too expensive and you have to plan WAY in advance unless you are a person of means. Also, I hate to say it, but Phoenix doesn't look like a good destination either if there isn't a brisk last minute or walk-up traffic.
Looking at the seat map this morning and it doesn't look much fuller than 75% lower/30% upper. Pretty disappointing. I remember the 7-up shoot outs being packed. I am typically not one to complain about pricing but $125 ea. lower bowl is pricey. It is $75 behind the backboards and $30 upper bowls but everyone wants great seats these days. That said, I am surprised how many of my Phoenix Cat friends aren't even considering going to the game. I guess the weekday scheduling isn't ideal. Would it have been so hard to make this game on Fri-Sat?

For a neutral site game on the ESPN family, I'd assume we have minimal control over scheduling. We have to fit behind the Suns and into the TV schedule. Texas A&M is a good team but not a marquee name to get the highest profile.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:21 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
UALoco wrote:
UALoco wrote:Looking at the seat map on Ticketmaster, looks like the lower bowl is 75% and the upper bowl is 30% full. Knowing there are a number of tix sold to GCU folks, and Valley fans show up late, the stadium prolly will look less full than that. The FBI investigation and losing the 3 in the Bahamas sure didn't help to build up buzz or momentum around this team going into the game. An unranked Arizona vs Top 10 TAMU looks a lot less appealing than a #2 vs #10 matchup. My vote would be to put all early season, neutral court games in Vegas or San Diego going forward. Places where regular fans can get to via a small road trip. And if the CATS stink it up, hey, you are at least in a town where you can find something to do. Forget this Bahamas and Hawaii crap where it is too expensive and you have to plan WAY in advance unless you are a person of means. Also, I hate to say it, but Phoenix doesn't look like a good destination either if there isn't a brisk last minute or walk-up traffic.
Looking at the seat map this morning and it doesn't look much fuller than 75% lower/30% upper. Pretty disappointing. I remember the 7-up shoot outs being packed. I am typically not one to complain about pricing but $125 ea. lower bowl is pricey. It is $75 behind the backboards and $30 upper bowls but everyone wants great seats these days. That said, I am surprised how many of my Phoenix Cat friends aren't even considering going to the game. I guess the weekday scheduling isn't ideal. Would it have been so hard to make this game on Fri-Sat?
For a neutral site game on the ESPN family, I'd assume we have minimal control over scheduling. We have to fit behind the Suns and into the TV schedule. Texas A&M is a good team but not a marquee name to get the highest profile.

Last year's game was on a Saturday with a similar setup in Texas, although the game was very early

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:27 am

Could have had it Friday night in Phoenix or Friday or Saturday in Glendale. The promoters probably opted for the cheapest option.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:32 am

TatetheGreat wrote:Could have had it Friday night in Phoenix or Friday or Saturday in Glendale. The promoters probably opted for the cheapest option.

It is a pain to get to Glendale for most people but I really like the idea of doing a game in Glendale every few years on a weekend. Nice arena overall and if the Coyotes leave after this year or next, the price to use the facility would be cheap.

threenumberones · Post by **threenumberones** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:04 pm

RondaeShimmy wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Cats will cover.
Aggs by 2.5 now

It's now pick 'em.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:31 pm

threenumberones wrote:
RondaeShimmy wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Cats will cover.
Aggs by 2.5 now
It's now pick 'em.

I'm a shit gambler but I'd take A&M. They trounced OkSt, USC, Penn St... just look like they're a well oiled machine on offense with some really imposing defensive players across their front court.

They're already good at what they do while we're still looking to figure it out.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:50 pm

Yeah I'd take A&M -10 at this point.

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:53 pm

Does Vegas think Rawle is back or something, doesn't make sense

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:55 pm

Talent is talent. Coaching is coaching. UA has the advantage in both right?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:09 pm

PHXCATS wrote:Talent is talent. Coaching is coaching. UA has the advantage in both right?

Maybe not a talent advantage without Rawle. Texas A&M is definitely playing closer to their ceiling right now. We need to make some shots or it will be a long night. Hopefully D continues to improve, but shooting is a must for us. They have too much inside for us to win without the J.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:12 pm

Ticketmaster dropped the last row of the lower bowl in some end zone sections, including UA designated rows, to $30.

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:24 pm

Probably should have done that way sooner. I got some nice ones early for 35 but 125 or 75 is pricey. I would have paid it but wouldnt have brought others

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:52 pm

Arizona Wildcats win by 17 and "The potential is there, is AZ back?" headlines ensue tomorrow.

3:58 PM, 12/5/17

DiehardDave37 · Post by **DiehardDave37** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:12 pm

I'm not a user nor abuser, but I am old with several medical issues and probably qualify for medicinal marijuana. Pleas pass some of what you just had over to me.

Bordercat · Post by **Bordercat** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:17 pm

If I was in Vegas I'd bet big on A&M in a pickem situation.

DiehardDave37 · Post by **DiehardDave37** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:42 pm

Bordercat wrote:If I was in Vegas I'd bet big on A&M in a pickem situation.

If I were in Vegas, so would I, and I'm a dyed in the wool homer who doesn't bet.I hope that we are ready for them in March, but we aren't there yet.

splitsecond · Post by **splitsecond** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:21 pm

Attendance is absolutely embarrassing. The prices were way too high for something this close to Christmas and putting it on a Tuesday was really a bad move. I couldn't get anyone else to buy in and go.

prh · Post by **prh** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:27 pm

WHERE IS THAT PHOENIX FANBASE WE HEAR ABOUT??

splitsecond · Post by **splitsecond** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:44 pm

prh wrote:WHERE IS THAT PHOENIX FANBASE WE HEAR ABOUT??

Not spending over $100 for decent seats on a Tuesday right before Christmas.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:24 pm

Awful embarrassing for posters like machina. You want games in Phoenix because you are such better fans and you don't shoe up. Sad!

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:38 pm

scumdevils86 wrote:Awful embarrassing for posters like machina. You want games in Phoenix because you are such better fans and you don't shoe up. Sad!

Shoe..................

If half the number if PHX fans who go to Tucson every bball and football game come from Tucson to PHX then it would be fine bad fan

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:53 pm

I don't know how it translates on tv as I am courtside but it is very loud in here

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:58 pm

It's loud. Uofa is coming off as loud

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:09 pm

F the haters again

Phoenix Arizona comes up huge. Bear the fuck down

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:23 pm

The team won. Phoenix and their attendance/fan issues has nothing to do with the win.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:35 pm

PHXCATS wrote:F the haters again

Phoenix Arizona comes up huge. Bear the fuck down

I credit its sewerage and water treatment facilities. Go sewerage and water treatment facilities! You came up huge.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:50 pm

azcat49 wrote:Cats will cover.

As expected. As for the crowd, it was about 75% AZ fans. I actually saw one St Johns fan. Our fans were OK. Picked there spots to stand and get loud.

Props to GCU fans who were trying to get A&M to miss when they were at there end. They have a nice fan base who seem to be enjoying the ride into D-1 basketball. When they make as tourney they will be over the top excited

btfd16 · Post by **btfd16** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:53 pm

azcat49 wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Cats will cover.

As expected. As for the crowd, it was about 75% AZ fans. I actually saw one St Johns fan. Our fans were OK. Picked there spots to stand and get loud.

Props to GCU fans who were trying to get A&M to miss when they were at there end. They have a nice fan base who seem to be enjoying the ride into D-1 basketball. When they make as tourney they will be over the top excited

My dad's cousin is an admin at GCU and took me to a game at his floor seats last year. I loved it. They were rowdy, engaged and loud. Even when they couldn't make the tourney. 7K strong and he said they were trying to make it like an intimate Gonzaga type environment. They are my second team now and love how they showed out tonight and every one I talk to from there seems to hate ASsU

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:20 pm

Yes GCU impressed. The arena.... I'll rant later about them

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:38 pm

gcu fans are great

splitsecond · Post by **splitsecond** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:21 am

Gilbertcat wrote:Yes GCU impressed. The arena.... I'll rant later about them

The place is an outdated shithole. I remember going there the first year it opened to see the Suns play. It was like a new luxury car at the time. But no one wants a mid 90s luxury car anymore.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:28 am

Lol. Nothing is wrong with the arena aside from the lack of stats on a video board.

Whiny ass fans suck.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:43 am

splitsecond wrote:
Gilbertcat wrote:Yes GCU impressed. The arena.... I'll rant later about them
The place is an outdated shithole. I remember going there the first year it opened to see the Suns play. It was like a new luxury car at the time. But no one wants a mid 90s luxury car anymore.

Well, new arenas cost more than a luxury car. The people of Maricopa County don't need a new arena for the Suns or anyone else. Maybe some changes like renovating your kitchen or upgrading your flooring. But they don't need to buy a new house.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:28 am

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:50 am

All Phoenix Suns fans. All the same monkeys in different shirts.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:21 am

The shame chant is soooo played out.

It's cute watching GCU act like an established basketball school.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:23 am

CalStateTempe wrote:The shame chant is soooo played out.

It's cute watching GCU act like an established basketball school.

Say what you want about GCU but their fans were a hell of a lot of fun last night. They will never be a PAC-12 or Power 5 team but they do what they can to help the team and did a great job at it.

People probably said similar things about Gonzaga a while ago and now look at them.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:43 am

8,900 in attendance and AZ fans covered 18 or 19 sections of the lower bowl. Ran into AD Heeke twice while bar hopping. Great trip besides the $11 beers at the pregame party

Did anyone stay for the GCU game? I bet it was empty. Got home at midnight and would definitely do it again

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:10 pm

Jefe wrote:8,900 in attendance and AZ fans covered 18 or 19 sections of the lower bowl. Ran into AD Heeke twice while bar hopping. Great trip besides the $11 beers at the pregame party

Did anyone stay for the GCU game? I bet it was empty. Got home at midnight and would definitely do it again

Stayed for the first half of the gcu game.

Was a great time.

What did you think of the pregame party minus the drink prices? Had to use the levy vendors so couldn't so anything on price of food or drinks but really want your thoughts

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:45 pm

PHXCATS wrote:Stayed for the first half of the gcu game.

Over or under 1,000 people?

PHXCATS wrote:What did you think of the pregame party minus the drink prices? Had to use the levy vendors so couldn't so anything on price of food or drinks but really want your thoughts

We wandered downtown for 3 or 4 hours. Went to Hard Rock, The Park, Seamus McCaffreys and Willies Taco Joint. Most of them were dead with the exception of a few AZ fans. We didn't get to the pregame party until about 6:30 but it was packed with AZ fans. Was nice having a full bar as well and not many people had empty hands so they didn't seem to mind the prices. We walked past Tilted Kilt on our way to the stadium and they had more AZ fans than the pregame party did. We even saw an ice skating rink on Central. Really cool area.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:49 pm

my buddy lives in the high rise that tilted kilt is built into. i go there a lot. one of the few tolerable areas of phoenix.

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