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"gumby, put that mouse away...let the moderators handle this!!!"gumby wrote:Forget it, Jake. It's Internet Town.Pop McKale wrote: But did he really destroy us? Never felt like he dominated the game even though he was at the FT line all night long.
Stay on topic. Jumping. Thinking of rim protection, opening tips (not a biggie). That vert. hasn't come into play in those contexts. He's obviously a swell player.SunnyAZ wrote:you know he is averaging 20.5 and 12, right? A lot of that because he is super athletic.gumby wrote:I keep hearing about this 43 inch vert. But it doesn't translate to game situations. Not a quick jumper, not a willing jumper (and there is no second jump) a la Aaron Gordon. Not an instinctual shot blocker. He's never had to battle.rgdeuce wrote:Ayton has lost most tip offs this season. It's weird.Merkin wrote:Seems that is the very first play called by the opposing teams. Bama worked it to perfection, easy 2 points, Alabama 2-0.CatFanOneMil wrote: That being said, it is VERY OBVIOUS that teams are going to throw their big at RISTIC in the paint
Speaking of which, how did Bama get possession on the tip off? How can Ayton at 7'1" with a 43" vertical ever lose the tip off?
jumping helps him gets rebounds and scoregumby wrote: Stay on topic. Jumping. Thinking of rim protection, opening tips (not a biggie). That vert. hasn't come into play in those contexts. He's obviously a swell player.
Correct. Now let's see what it can do in other ways.SunnyAZ wrote:jumping helps him gets rebounds and scoregumby wrote: Stay on topic. Jumping. Thinking of rim protection, opening tips (not a biggie). That vert. hasn't come into play in those contexts. He's obviously a swell player.
Actually I'm impressed with Ayton's ability to finish with the dunk. I've noticed he almost always finishes with dunks where Zeus and Ristic would lay it in.gumby wrote:Correct. Now let's see what it can do in other ways.SunnyAZ wrote:jumping helps him gets rebounds and scoregumby wrote: Stay on topic. Jumping. Thinking of rim protection, opening tips (not a biggie). That vert. hasn't come into play in those contexts. He's obviously a swell player.
Yes, and better team defense would help, too. My point is not related to offense. For whatever reason, the vert. is more in evidence in rebounding.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Actually I'm impressed with Ayton's ability to finish with the dunk. I've noticed he almost always finishes with dunks where Zeus and Ristic would lay it in.gumby wrote:Correct. Now let's see what it can do in other ways.SunnyAZ wrote:jumping helps him gets rebounds and scoregumby wrote: Stay on topic. Jumping. Thinking of rim protection, opening tips (not a biggie). That vert. hasn't come into play in those contexts. He's obviously a swell player.
Ayton's issues with rim protection have more to do with timing and movement than with his vert. Getting into better position would take him further.
YoDeFoe wrote:Ayton has huge hands and an incredible standing reach. When you're wondering why he's able to hang on to the ball and finish at the rim, having the biggest hands in college basketball and being 7 inches away from the rim sure helps.
My quip about wanting him to use his height on offense more comes from watching a guy like Javelle McGee - who happens to have the same measurables (hands, vert, wingspan, height) as Ayton.
Check out the height and the hangtime on the 17s, 59s, 1:11, 1:30 dunks (and others).
When I saw these guys in person and the way they spaced the floor and then used penetration with McGee looking to punish the rim if the defense rotated... They didn't just look unstoppable, they were unstoppable.
I want to see some more of that out of Ayton.
On defense I think the block rate concerns have already been discussed, but they persist.
If we make our FTs at 76% instead of 63% that's a 10pt win. I was pretty impressed with our guys on defense.gumby wrote:Defense regressed, says Miller.
https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketbal ... ws-defense" target="_blank
Guards not getting back. Not matching up. Not making that a priority.
He wants fewer jump shots but more threes from Parker.
One play that stands out is when Rawle got the fast break layup 5 on 1. No one rotated back and we gave up a good look going the other way.gumby wrote:Defense regressed, says Miller.
https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketbal ... ws-defense" target="_blank
Guards not getting back. Not matching up. Not making that a priority.
He wants fewer jump shots but more threes from Parker.
I don't think it is an emphasis for Miller's teams to throw lobs in PnR situations (I'm assuming that is what the video was about since McGee can't do anything else). Pretty sure Ayton would go get them if we threw them.YoDeFoe wrote:Ayton has huge hands and an incredible standing reach. When you're wondering why he's able to hang on to the ball and finish at the rim, having the biggest hands in college basketball and being 7 inches away from the rim sure helps.
My quip about wanting him to use his height on offense more comes from watching a guy like JaVale McGee - who happens to have the same measurables (hands, vert, wingspan, height) as Ayton.
Check out the height and the hangtime on the 17s, 59s, 1:11, 1:30 dunks (and others).
When I saw these guys in person and the way they spaced the floor and then used penetration with McGee looking to punish the rim if the defense rotated... They didn't just look unstoppable, they were unstoppable.
I want to see some more of that out of Ayton.
On defense I think the block rate concerns have already been discussed, but they persist.
I can see it. Was like watching Markelle Fultz with a much better supporting cast.Spaceman Spiff wrote:
I've posted previously about how I think Sexton is a top 5 pick. He has a lot of skill and is a competitive SOB.
Pop McKale wrote:But did he really destroy us? Never felt like he dominated the game even though he was at the FT line all night long. I suppose that's worth something, but the guards were doing better and certainly trying harder than I've seen them all year to limit the penetration.
At the end of the day, Sexton had 30 points on 15 shots, and some of those misses were him trying to finish off contact... That is outstanding efficiency for any player, even more so for a point guard. We had four players end the game with 4 fouls, one of them being Trier, so he had a significant impact on the game in that regard as well. Remember, Sexton sat out almost all of the final five minutes of the 1st half and he still played significant minutes with two fouls before he went out. He was dominant.Puerco wrote:Yeah Sexton is tough. He killed us by drawing so many fouls, but otherwise shot 40% and had no rebounds and just a couple assists. That’s a chucker’s line if you take away the free throws. But yeah...
I don’t blame PJC for that. Sexton is going to go off on a lot of people this year.
Sexton doing that with foul trouble really impressed me (although I'm admittedly a fan). He got 2 quick whistles and would have had an excuse for being out of rhythm after that. Instead he produced a great game.rgdeuce wrote:Pop McKale wrote:But did he really destroy us? Never felt like he dominated the game even though he was at the FT line all night long. I suppose that's worth something, but the guards were doing better and certainly trying harder than I've seen them all year to limit the penetration.At the end of the day, Sexton had 30 points on 15 shots, and some of those misses were him trying to finish off contact... That is outstanding efficiency for any player, even more so for a point guard. We had four players end the game with 4 fouls, one of them being Trier, so he had a significant impact on the game in that regard as well. Remember, Sexton sat out almost all of the final five minutes of the 1st half and he still played significant minutes with two fouls before he went out. He was dominant.Puerco wrote:Yeah Sexton is tough. He killed us by drawing so many fouls, but otherwise shot 40% and had no rebounds and just a couple assists. That’s a chucker’s line if you take away the free throws. But yeah...
I don’t blame PJC for that. Sexton is going to go off on a lot of people this year.
I agree. He did a good job of balancing trusting Sexton to play smart with not exposing him. One reason I like Sexton is he plays smart and aggressive in a way you don't see from a lot of freshmen, and Avery let him handle it.rgdeuce wrote:Avery Johnson deserves quite a bit of credit himself. He played that situation perfectly.
Beachcat97 wrote:Yes. When we face bigger teams, go with Pinder and Lee. Try Ristic for a few minutes.Olsondogg wrote:When Rawle comes back you go small and run.
G: PJC
G: Trier
G: Ranloph
G/F: Alkins
F/C: Ayton
I'd argue that we have an incredible group of three point shooters among PJC, Trier, Randolph, Rawle, and Barcello. PJC will likely end his career at Arizona as one of the five best three point shooters in conference history. In college, thats Curry-esque.SunnyAZ wrote: I don't think it is an emphasis for Miller's teams to throw lobs in PnR situations (I'm assuming that is what the video was about since McGee can't do anything else). Pretty sure Ayton would go get them if we threw them.
Also the Warriors have three of the best shooter ever, so it is hard for a backside defender to bump/defend a roll man.
December 13thJefe wrote:August 22nd Mock Drafts
https://www.draftsite.com/nba/mock-draft/2018/" target="_blank
4 Ayton
9 Trier
13 Akot
30 Alkins
48 Ristic
http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft" target="_blank
4 Ayton
28 Alkins
39 Trier
http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/2018-nba-mock-draft.html" target="_blank
3 Ayton
15 Akot
22 Trier
23 Alkins
Yep. People forget he didn't play much in the first half. Reminds me of Lillard.rgdeuce wrote:Pop McKale wrote:But did he really destroy us? Never felt like he dominated the game even though he was at the FT line all night long. I suppose that's worth something, but the guards were doing better and certainly trying harder than I've seen them all year to limit the penetration.At the end of the day, Sexton had 30 points on 15 shots, and some of those misses were him trying to finish off contact... That is outstanding efficiency for any player, even more so for a point guard. We had four players end the game with 4 fouls, one of them being Trier, so he had a significant impact on the game in that regard as well. Remember, Sexton sat out almost all of the final five minutes of the 1st half and he still played significant minutes with two fouls before he went out. He was dominant.Puerco wrote:Yeah Sexton is tough. He killed us by drawing so many fouls, but otherwise shot 40% and had no rebounds and just a couple assists. That’s a chucker’s line if you take away the free throws. But yeah...
I don’t blame PJC for that. Sexton is going to go off on a lot of people this year.
Whoever passes on Ayton with the #1 pick will regret it for the rest of their career.Jefe wrote:December 13thJefe wrote:August 22nd Mock Drafts
https://www.draftsite.com/nba/mock-draft/2018/" target="_blank
4 Ayton
9 Trier
13 Akot
30 Alkins
48 Ristic
http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft" target="_blank
4 Ayton
28 Alkins
39 Trier
http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/2018-nba-mock-draft.html" target="_blank
3 Ayton
15 Akot
22 Trier
23 Alkins
https://www.draftsite.com/nba/mock-draft/2018/" target="_blank
3 Ayton
13 Trier
Akot gone
30 Alkins
43 Ristic
http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft" target="_blank
1 Ayton
31 Alkins
36 Trier
http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/2018-nba-mock-draft.html" target="_blank
2 Ayton
Akot gone
24 Trier
Alkins gone
Doncic.gumby wrote:It's a guard's game. I can see him not being No. 1. Warriors, Rockets, Celtics, Cavaliers ... perimeter-powered with good, but not great, bigs. Rockets dumped Howard and got better. Pelicans have two excellent bigs, but a mediocre team.
Then again, who would that guard be?
*wing gamegumby wrote:It's a guard's game. I can see him not being No. 1. Warriors, Rockets, Celtics, Cavaliers ... perimeter-powered with good, but not great, bigs. Rockets dumped Howard and got better. Pelicans have two excellent bigs, but a mediocre team.
Then again, who would that guard be?
Same idea, since LB and JH often run the O. Point is: Not Ayton's position.SunnyAZ wrote:*wing gamegumby wrote:It's a guard's game. I can see him not being No. 1. Warriors, Rockets, Celtics, Cavaliers ... perimeter-powered with good, but not great, bigs. Rockets dumped Howard and got better. Pelicans have two excellent bigs, but a mediocre team.
Then again, who would that guard be?
KD, Lebron, Harden, Kawhi, etc.
This sucks.Arizona is allowing 102.6 points per 100 possessions this season. That is almost the worst defensive rating among all Sean Miller-coached Arizona teams. The 2009-10 team — which finished 16-15 and missed the NCAA Tournament — allowed 102.8 points per 100 possessions.
Basically, if a team isn’t in the Top 12 this time of year, it almost certainly won’t win a national title.
“The eventual national champion has been ranked no lower than No. 12 in the week six poll every season but one since 1999,” the article states.
That’s an ominous fact for an Arizona team currently ranked 23rd.
Telling and not surprising.SunnyAZ wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD3OZcCujMc
It's pretty funny how different players answer post game questions.
Someone asked Trier about Rawle playing well and Trier says their best defender is guarding me, the 2nd best defender is guarding Ayton, and the other team's defense is designed to take out Ayton and Trier from the game so Rawle gets to go against the 3rd best defender and good for him for taking advantage.
Someone asked Rawle if the team is playing better with him back and he says it isn't necessarily him, just part of the process of the team getting better with reps and we have a talented team and they would be as good without me.
After watching (and not knowing the phrasing of the question) I'm ok with his answer. He's always been more of a straight shooter in his interviews anyways and his answer was on point. He later talked about guys playing well and hitting shots. I know it's in vogue to hate on the guy but any reasonable person would expect Rawle to be able to score as the 3rd option. Even the broadcast crew discussed it.SunnyAZ wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD3OZcCujMc
It's pretty funny how different players answer post game questions.
Someone asked Trier about Rawle playing well and Trier says their best defender is guarding me, the 2nd best defender is guarding Ayton, and the other team's defense is designed to take out Ayton and Trier from the game so Rawle gets to go against the 3rd best defender and good for him for taking advantage.
Someone asked Rawle if the team is playing better with him back and he says it isn't necessarily him, just part of the process of the team getting better with reps and we have a talented team and they would be as good without me.
Since the other option is zone, it would be a good year to figure out how to bust that zone. I'm imagining getting it to Ayton on the elbow, and letting him make the extra pass. Or just can the freaking 15-footer over the swarm of marsupials.Alieberman wrote:Any team would be smart to have it’s 3rd best defender on Rawle, This Is why it’s going to be a great year with him as our third option
I was just assuming the question but I guess it is reasonable that it was a different question and he just brought it up.prh wrote:After watching (and not knowing the phrasing of the question) I'm ok with his answer. He's always been more of a straight shooter in his interviews anyways and his answer was on point. He later talked about guys playing well and hitting shots. I know it's in vogue to hate on the guy but any reasonable person would expect Rawle to be able to score as the 3rd option. Even the broadcast crew discussed it.
I think it was the broadcast crew that called Ayton Arizona’s automatic zone buster. Like you said, stick him in the middle and throw it too high for anyone but God and Deandre. Kid can pass, put it on the deck, or turn and shoot it over anyone but Mo Bamba.Longhorned wrote:Since the other option is zone, it would be a good year to figure out how to bust that zone. I'm imagining getting it to Ayton on the elbow, and letting him make the extra pass. Or just can the freaking 15-footer over the swarm of marsupials.Alieberman wrote:Any team would be smart to have it’s 3rd best defender on Rawle, This Is why it’s going to be a great year with him as our third option
Against a zone, we could not play Dusan at all. One of the negatives with Dusan vs a zone is that he is not a natural passer. He has to be a finisher to be effective vs a zone and doesn't facilitate.rgdeuce wrote:We have done well against the zone this year, outside of a few lapses here and there. At some point this season, it's not gonna matter what defense teams throw against us. Our third scoring option is #1 at most other schools. Teams have to scheme for Ayton first and foremost, then Trier, which leaves lots of daylight for the other 3 guys on the court. That means you have a legit #1 option, WHO CAN HURT YOU ON ALL THREE LEVELS, with plenty of daylight. If that wasnt enough, you have PJC who is shooting over 51% from deep and Ristic (flaws aside), who is still one of the best interior scorers in the nation. By the way, Brandon Randolph is shooting 47% from 3, Barcello 36%, and Ira Lee is a guy who can cut to open space near the basket and finish strong. This team shoots over 52% from the floor, 40% from 3, and nearly 75% from the line... and we just barely got Alkins back and our freshmen are still getting their legs under them.
All the more reason to keep getting better every day on defense. We don't have the guys to be like those NJ, TJ, Ashley, Zeus, Rondae, Stanley, AG, squads defensively, but we can still make ourselves into a good defensive team by March.
My pie in the sky hope for this team is to be like the Duke team with Winslow and okafor. They were dreadful on defense all season, but got it together just in time for the tournament and the rest is history.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Against a zone, we could not play Dusan at all. One of the negatives with Dusan vs a zone is that he is not a natural passer. He has to be a finisher to be effective vs a zone and doesn't facilitate.rgdeuce wrote:We have done well against the zone this year, outside of a few lapses here and there. At some point this season, it's not gonna matter what defense teams throw against us. Our third scoring option is #1 at most other schools. Teams have to scheme for Ayton first and foremost, then Trier, which leaves lots of daylight for the other 3 guys on the court. That means you have a legit #1 option, WHO CAN HURT YOU ON ALL THREE LEVELS, with plenty of daylight. If that wasnt enough, you have PJC who is shooting over 51% from deep and Ristic (flaws aside), who is still one of the best interior scorers in the nation. By the way, Brandon Randolph is shooting 47% from 3, Barcello 36%, and Ira Lee is a guy who can cut to open space near the basket and finish strong. This team shoots over 52% from the floor, 40% from 3, and nearly 75% from the line... and we just barely got Alkins back and our freshmen are still getting their legs under them.
All the more reason to keep getting better every day on defense. We don't have the guys to be like those NJ, TJ, Ashley, Zeus, Rondae, Stanley, AG, squads defensively, but we can still make ourselves into a good defensive team by March.
Going PJC, Randy, Trier, Rawle, Ayton would be very effective against a zone if a team plays it. You have shooters everywhere, someone to dunk the ball and dominate that glass, Rawle to slash and show off how he can hit the glass too. As long as we don't settle, that lineup would be really hard on a 2-3.
We may not be a top 20 AdjD team when based on resume by March, but we can be playing top 20 level. I would focus on that, not the overall resume.
Sean thought the d was better. Very few blown assignments. They only scored 53Frybry02 wrote:I hope this team figures it out defensively. Still way too many head scratching defensive trips.
8/27 from 3.84Cat wrote:Sean thought the d was better. Very few blown assignments. They only scored 53Frybry02 wrote:I hope this team figures it out defensively. Still way too many head scratching defensive trips.
84Cat wrote:Sean thought the d was better. Very few blown assignments. They only scored 53Frybry02 wrote:I hope this team figures it out defensively. Still way too many head scratching defensive trips.
