I think it's indicative of the general instability, sound and fury surrounding our program. Whether that sound/fury signifies anything...?BE4RDOWN21 wrote:Is Williams decommittal indicative of Miller not being back next year?Spaceman Spiff wrote:I don't know Brandon Williams, but here's my best logic here:dovecanyoncat wrote:Hoping Brandon Williams doesn't know something we don't know.
Right now things are looking better, but it's a long way from secure. Even if Miller beat back the wire talk, we're still on the hook for Book.
If I'm Williams, I'd want to see that guys like Randolph, Akot and Lee are sticking it out. He doesn't want to be a PG with no one to pass to.
It all leads to this, he needs a Plan A and Plan B. Are we A or B? I don't balme him for having a Plan B, though. ESPN screwed us hard even if that report is completely debunked.
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The massive erection I was carrying around for the last 24 hours is gone.
As of now, Alex Barcello will be our starting point guard next season. Let that sink in.
As of now, Alex Barcello will be our starting point guard next season. Let that sink in.
Re: Brandon Williams
Wouldn't be surprised if he is off to Grand Canyon or something. He could put up good numbers against their competition.rgdeuce wrote:The massive erection I was carrying around for the last 24 hours is gone.
As of now, Alex Barcello will be our starting point guard next season. Let that sink in.
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1 month.... put away all bad juju for 1 month.... enjoy it
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Are you guys virtue signaling that the new player we should gripe over is Barcello now that Ristic is decent?
I’m holding out he’ll make his sophomore jump. Plus he has a year in the system under his belt.
Edit: what alieb said.
I’m holding out he’ll make his sophomore jump. Plus he has a year in the system under his belt.
Edit: what alieb said.
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Can we get a reverse loop of the star spangled eagle boner to close this thread? Only to be re-opened with the original star spangled eagle boner gif if there is a re-commit?
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We do not know that. Let it play out. In 2009, our recruiting class was zilch and that worked out okrgdeuce wrote:The massive erection I was carrying around for the last 24 hours is gone.
As of now, Alex Barcello will be our starting point guard next season. Let that sink in.
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After yesterday, my star spangled boner is still in full effect. We can survive this. Oregon survived after like 5 players left or got booted a couple years ago.phenom5 wrote:Can we get a reverse loop of the star spangled eagle boner to close this thread? Only to be re-opened with the original star spangled eagle boner gif if there is a re-commit?
Side note: star spangled boner is my new favorite phrase.
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Time to move this to Arch Rivals?
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Alieberman wrote:1 month.... put away all bad juju for 1 month.... enjoy it
Totally with you on this. I am not even going to call anyone a commie here until the tournament is over. There is to much to enjoy right now to get negative.
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Maybe I'm naieve, but he's not gone yet. He explicitly left the door open...hopefully for a reason.UAEebs86 wrote:Time to move this to Arch Rivals?
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Unless some of these mouth breathers that call themselves fans, steer him away with some of their bullshit comments on his twitter. smhSpaceman Spiff wrote:Maybe I'm naieve, but he's not gone yet. He explicitly left the door open...hopefully for a reason.UAEebs86 wrote:Time to move this to Arch Rivals?
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The "we didn't want him anyway" excuse.rgdeuce wrote:
I wouldn't blame him for leaving considering all the BS we have gone through and the reality of serious injury already hitting him. That said, he would have a chance to improve his stock on a team that would be essentially his. He seems a half-step slow on both ends this year (could be the injury), which I'm guessing would cause many teams to pause on taking him when you factor in the inconsistent shooting thus far (could be because of him missing so much time).
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Bummer.
Tough to blame a kid for seeking stability.
Moving on....
Tough to blame a kid for seeking stability.
Moving on....
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Is he gone?
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U.P. Zona Fan wrote:Is he gone?
Reopened his "commitment".
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I hate those dumbasses. Way to eff us further for a decision that's understandable and kill what hope we have left.BE4RDOWN21 wrote:Unless some of these mouth breathers that call themselves fans, steer him away with some of their bullshit comments on his twitter. smhSpaceman Spiff wrote:Maybe I'm naieve, but he's not gone yet. He explicitly left the door open...hopefully for a reason.UAEebs86 wrote:Time to move this to Arch Rivals?
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Well, can't say I wouldn't have done the same. Hope he makes a good decision, respect the way he did it more than an LOL tweet. That was poopy.
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97cats was on here talking about Miller and Arizona being an inevitable split up until the press conference. I mean, I love Arizona, but it isn't hard to understand why we're having difficulty locking people in right now. I can't fault Williams or Shareef.U.P. Zona Fan wrote:Well, can't say I wouldn't have done the same. Hope he makes a good decision, respect the way he did it more than an LOL tweet. That was poopy.
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That post is talking about Rawle. Nice try though. GTFOenfuego wrote:The "we didn't want him anyway" excuse.rgdeuce wrote:
I wouldn't blame him for leaving considering all the BS we have gone through and the reality of serious injury already hitting him. That said, he would have a chance to improve his stock on a team that would be essentially his. He seems a half-step slow on both ends this year (could be the injury), which I'm guessing would cause many teams to pause on taking him when you factor in the inconsistent shooting thus far (could be because of him missing so much time).
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enfuego wrote:The "we didn't want him anyway" excuse.rgdeuce wrote:
I wouldn't blame him for leaving considering all the BS we have gone through and the reality of serious injury already hitting him. That said, he would have a chance to improve his stock on a team that would be essentially his. He seems a half-step slow on both ends this year (could be the injury), which I'm guessing would cause many teams to pause on taking him when you factor in the inconsistent shooting thus far (could be because of him missing so much time).
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I knew you were a failure at trolling, and life, but reading comprehension too?enfuego wrote:The "we didn't want him anyway" excuse.rgdeuce wrote:
I wouldn't blame him for leaving considering all the BS we have gone through and the reality of serious injury already hitting him. That said, he would have a chance to improve his stock on a team that would be essentially his. He seems a half-step slow on both ends this year (could be the injury), which I'm guessing would cause many teams to pause on taking him when you factor in the inconsistent shooting thus far (could be because of him missing so much time).
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I can't either, even though they aren't familiar with 97's reputation, but can pick it up from others here. If 97 says Miller and the UA may agree to mutually part after this season, we know for sure there has been at least some discussions on it between the 2 parties.Spaceman Spiff wrote:97cats was on here talking about Miller and Arizona being an inevitable split up until the press conference. I mean, I love Arizona, but it isn't hard to understand why we're having difficulty locking people in right now. I can't fault Williams or Shareef.U.P. Zona Fan wrote:Well, can't say I wouldn't have done the same. Hope he makes a good decision, respect the way he did it more than an LOL tweet. That was poopy.
Both Reef and BDub no doubt contacted the coaching staff, and were unable to get a commitment that Miller will be here next year.
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I don't want Barcello to leave at all. I still think he is gonna do great things for this program. I just don't want to be in a position were he is the starting PG of next year's teamCalStateTempe wrote:Are you guys virtue signaling that the new player we should gripe over is Barcello now that Ristic is decent?
I’m holding out he’ll make his sophomore jump. Plus he has a year in the system under his belt.
Edit: what alieb said.
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After 4 years of PJC, I really don't think Barcello can be any worse.
Coaches seem to like his work ethic, ala TJ, and he is taller than PJC, and apparently the best practice shooter. Just gets the yips in games, although he did play well last week when Trier was out.
And yes, the Cats were playing the Sisters of Mercy, but this is still pretty impressive:
In his first three games at Arizona, the freshman point guard shot 7-12 from the field and 4-7 from 3, all while tallying 11 assists and zero turnovers.
Coaches seem to like his work ethic, ala TJ, and he is taller than PJC, and apparently the best practice shooter. Just gets the yips in games, although he did play well last week when Trier was out.
And yes, the Cats were playing the Sisters of Mercy, but this is still pretty impressive:
In his first three games at Arizona, the freshman point guard shot 7-12 from the field and 4-7 from 3, all while tallying 11 assists and zero turnovers.
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It's funny that some people were on tbese boards last fall saying AB would be starting over PJC by conference games.
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ChooChooCat wrote:I listed a few grad transfer options who are 4s and 5s, here's a few:rgdeuce wrote:You know of any 4s or 5s? Any JUCO guys?ChooChooCat wrote:Fwiw I've got the perfect grad transfer PG in mind if Williams does bolt lol.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... jah-minnie" target="_blank
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... on-menzies" target="_blank
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... n-mekowulu" target="_blank
Doesn't mean any of these guys will be grad transfers, but they would qualify to do so.
Here's the PG who could grad transfer:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... jon-elmore" target="_blank
As far as JUCOs go here's a list of a bunch of players. I'm not even going to attempt to begin navigating this stuff though.
http://www.jucorecruiting.com/2018top100rankings" target="_blank
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We will almost assuredly need 2-3 grad transfers or jucos next season to have any more than like 6-7 scholarship players. As is, we only have 6 scholarship players coming back next year barring any transfers or people leaving besides the 6 we know already that are gone.
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Hey, how did that happen? Thought I messed that up
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Oh I did.
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The way things are going with the decommits and possible transfers he may not have a choice.rgdeuce wrote:I don't want Barcello to leave at all. I still think he is gonna do great things for this program. I just don't want to be in a position were he is the starting PG of next year's teamCalStateTempe wrote:Are you guys virtue signaling that the new player we should gripe over is Barcello now that Ristic is decent?
I’m holding out he’ll make his sophomore jump. Plus he has a year in the system under his belt.
Edit: what alieb said.
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Who's going to transfer and sit out a whole year? Plenty of minutes next year
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I'm hoping the minutes is what persuades players on our current roster to stay next year. Immediate playing time and plenty of it.azcat49 wrote:Who's going to transfer and sit out a whole year? Plenty of minutes next year
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As disappointing as things have been, that would really suck for players to transfer out now. In the past pretty good players transferred because they saw the writing on the wall that they wouldn't be getting much playing time with incoming freshman. Playing time next season will not be a problem.Captain Obvious wrote:The way things are going with the decommits and possible transfers he may not have a choice.rgdeuce wrote:I don't want Barcello to leave at all. I still think he is gonna do great things for this program. I just don't want to be in a position were he is the starting PG of next year's teamCalStateTempe wrote:Are you guys virtue signaling that the new player we should gripe over is Barcello now that Ristic is decent?
I’m holding out he’ll make his sophomore jump. Plus he has a year in the system under his belt.
Edit: what alieb said.
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Now would be the time to self sanction a couples shcolies.
Probably only have 8-10 players anyway.
Probably only have 8-10 players anyway.
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Why would we do that before we have completed our internal investigation which is still ongoing?Postmaster wrote:Now would be the time to self sanction a couples shcolies.
Probably only have 8-10 players anyway.
Haven't we learned over the past week or so not to jump to conclusions until all of the facts are known?
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I agree with this. To self sanction before the investigation is even over is an indication we've admitted guilt. Let's let the investigation run its course first before we make any unnecessary decisions.EastCoastCat wrote:Why would we do that before we have completed our internal investigation which is still ongoing?Postmaster wrote:Now would be the time to self sanction a couples shcolies.
Probably only have 8-10 players anyway.
Haven't we learned over the past week or so not to jump to conclusions until all of the facts are known?
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Maybe everybody here but me knows the answer to this question, but what do precedents suggest would be the NCAA penalty for an assistant coach who admits to taking unreported money from a shoe company in exchange for influencing players' future careers? Obviously steeper than for a campus caught giving fake classes and unearned degrees to their student athletes, but what are we talking here?
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Good question.Longhorned wrote:Maybe everybody here but me knows the answer to this question, but what do precedents suggest would be the NCAA penalty for an assistant coach who admits to taking unreported money from a shoe company in exchange for influencing players' future careers? Obviously steeper than for a campus caught giving fake classes and unearned degrees to their student athletes, but what are we talking here?
This seems to be unchartered waters so who the hell knows? We all know the NCAA rule book is like 10 billion pages long but I doubt it covers this angle.
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Considering the punishment we got for an unwitting signature by Lute for something pizza related, we'll get the book thrown at us compared to the slap on the wrist for UNC.Longhorned wrote:Maybe everybody here but me knows the answer to this question, but what do precedents suggest would be the NCAA penalty for an assistant coach who admits to taking unreported money from a shoe company in exchange for influencing players' future careers? Obviously steeper than for a campus caught giving fake classes and unearned degrees to their student athletes, but what are we talking here?
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ASUHATER! wrote:Considering the punishment we got for an unwitting signature by Lute for something pizza related, we'll get the book thrown at us compared to the slap on the wrist for UNC.Longhorned wrote:Maybe everybody here but me knows the answer to this question, but what do precedents suggest would be the NCAA penalty for an assistant coach who admits to taking unreported money from a shoe company in exchange for influencing players' future careers? Obviously steeper than for a campus caught giving fake classes and unearned degrees to their student athletes, but what are we talking here?
Good ol' Jim Storey: http://tucson.com/sports/basketball/col ... 5dd85.html" target="_blank
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Is it possible we're not talking a big punishment here?
We acknowledge that, just because something isn't a crime, that doesn't mean it isn't an NCAA violation. But in this case it could be a crime, but not an NCAA violation. Kind of analogous to UNC, which was an heinous affront to higher education, but a campus rather than athletics matter.
We acknowledge that, just because something isn't a crime, that doesn't mean it isn't an NCAA violation. But in this case it could be a crime, but not an NCAA violation. Kind of analogous to UNC, which was an heinous affront to higher education, but a campus rather than athletics matter.
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EastCoastCat wrote:Why would we do that before we have completed our internal investigation which is still ongoing?Postmaster wrote:Now would be the time to self sanction a couples shcolies.
Probably only have 8-10 players anyway.
Haven't we learned over the past week or so not to jump to conclusions until all of the facts are known?
I'm not really suggesting that. I was just commenting that if we were to go that route, it would be A good time since it appears we will be undermanned anyway.
AZ has determined that Book did some stuff, they did fire him, so I think there will be some punishment.
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Penn State, even if it completely disgusting, also wasn't an NCAA issue. Although they did get involved there. But then Penn State sued and won, NCAA revoked the sanctions/fine.Longhorned wrote:Is it possible we're not talking a big punishment here?
We acknowledge that, just because something isn't a crime, that doesn't mean it isn't an NCAA violation. But in this case it could be a crime, but not an NCAA violation. Kind of analogous to UNC, which was an heinous affront to higher education, but a campus rather than athletics matter.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=59&start=10200#p380285" target="_blank
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Not sure what the sanction would be book allegedly took money for a bribe according to dawkins. Did he actually get that money or was dawkins just hustling his bank rollers for his own benefit? Don't think we get a post season ban. A deep tournament run and we will be fine hell Williams might come back and a 5 star is still available. Don't count coach Miller out. He's always one step ahead.
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Conspiracy to commit bribery, solicitation of bribes by an agent of a federally funded organization, conspiracy to commit honest services fraud, and wire fraud conspiracy and travel act conspiracy -- Book could plead guilty to, or be found guilty of, all of these charges. But none of them are NCAA violations.
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Just offered by Oregon.
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The vultures are quick to arrive.ChooChooCat wrote:Just offered by Oregon.
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Well, since he said he hasn't closed the door on Arizona, I guess we will see if he waits until after the NCAA tourney to see if Miller is really staying. Maybe he waits until then to make a decision. I hope, anyway.