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ChooChooCat wrote:University of Arizona was a victim per the FBI. University of Kansas was a victim per the FBI. Yep, we're dead to rights, especially after Quinerly is cleared to play at Villanova.
Vaya con dios, man. You're deep in the rabbit hole.dmjcat wrote:Spaceman Spiff wrote:You're correct they aren't the same boats.dmjcat wrote:Hardly. Hell, Self may have been personally involved..........but there is ZERO proof of any Kansas involvement in the FBI charges. All of the posters here were gleefully falling all over themselves that KU was in the "Same Boat" as AZ. They are not.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Yeah, I'm sure Kansas had nothing to do with adidas spending well over 100k to route players to Kansas. I'm sure there were no recruits beyond two.dmjcat wrote:The filing specifically states (regarding Kansas), that no official from Kansas knew about the money/Adidas involvement. Thats the big difference between Kansas and the UA case. I doubt Kansas is in any trouble here unless additional information is uncovered that shows that Self/KU staff were involved.
There is a lot of rationalizing going on in this thread. At this point Kansas is clearly NOT in the same boat as the UA.......thanks to Book.
I think you're just lookkng for recognition for ****ting on Arizona at this point.
Arizona's boat, assistant coach caught on wire asking for money he says is going to recruit. No proof money went to recruit.
Kansas's boat, proof that adidas paid players large cash sums specifically to get them to commit to Kansas. Only circumstantial inference Kansas knew about it.
You see Arizona's boat as worse because you want to see it like that. There are still zero AZ players with eligibility questions and Kansas has one in Preston with two more incoming.
No Spiff, I see AZ's boat as worse because it IS worse. The UA has a paid agent of the University involved (Book). Nobody at Kansas (according to the FBI document released today) was involved........FACT.
If Miller had rid himself of Book years ago, or at least kept Book out of dealing with agents, the UA would be in a very, very different (and much better) place today.
Silvio De Sousa?Spaceman Spiff wrote:Who is the surprise KU commit in November 2017? I can figure out the remaining players, but off to do research there.
Bingo.NYCat wrote:Silvio De Sousa?Spaceman Spiff wrote:Who is the surprise KU commit in November 2017? I can figure out the remaining players, but off to do research there.
Just ignore. You and I are just giving him what he wants, which is attention. There's better things to do with our lives right now.Spaceman Spiff wrote:DMJ:
You are intentionally or accidentally being stupid. The actual NCAA violation is paying Quinerly and there's no proof that happened.
Kansas just saw a federal indictment founded (in part) on a payment to Jackson happening, and the only question is whether KU knew.
Damn, man, it's not hard.
Yeah, I'm sure Kansas had nothing to do with adidas spending well over 100k to route players to Kansas. I'm sure there were no recruits beyond two.dmjcat wrote:There is a lot of rationalizing going on in this thread. At this point Kansas is clearly NOT in the same boat as the UA.......thanks to Book.
[/quote]Spiff:Spaceman Spiff wrote:DMJ:
You are intentionally or accidentally being stupid. The actual NCAA violation is paying Quinerly and there's no proof that happened.
Kansas just saw a federal indictment founded (in part) on a payment to Jackson happening, and the only question is whether KU knew.
Damn, man, it's not hard.
Still haven't found that link with the FBI naming AZ has a victim eh??? Try posting with facts instead of your mouth.ChooChooCat wrote:Just ignore. You and I are just giving him what he wants, which is attention. There's better things to do with our lives right now.Spaceman Spiff wrote:DMJ:
You are intentionally or accidentally being stupid. The actual NCAA violation is paying Quinerly and there's no proof that happened.
Kansas just saw a federal indictment founded (in part) on a payment to Jackson happening, and the only question is whether KU knew.
Damn, man, it's not hard.
Ain't looking hard enoughdmjcat wrote:Still haven't found that link with the FBI naming AZ has a victim eh??? Try posting with facts instead of your mouth.ChooChooCat wrote:Just ignore. You and I are just giving him what he wants, which is attention. There's better things to do with our lives right now.Spaceman Spiff wrote:DMJ:
You are intentionally or accidentally being stupid. The actual NCAA violation is paying Quinerly and there's no proof that happened.
Kansas just saw a federal indictment founded (in part) on a payment to Jackson happening, and the only question is whether KU knew.
Damn, man, it's not hard.
You're right. I get sucked into things like that too easily.ChooChooCat wrote:Just ignore. You and I are just giving him what he wants, which is attention. There's better things to do with our lives right now.Spaceman Spiff wrote:DMJ:
You are intentionally or accidentally being stupid. The actual NCAA violation is paying Quinerly and there's no proof that happened.
Kansas just saw a federal indictment founded (in part) on a payment to Jackson happening, and the only question is whether KU knew.
Damn, man, it's not hard.
Read count six.dmjcat wrote:ChooChooCat wrote:University of Arizona was a victim per the FBI. University of Kansas was a victim per the FBI. Yep, we're dead to rights, especially after Quinerly is cleared to play at Villanova.
Please post a link, any link, where the FBI states that the University of Arizona (specifically) is a victim.
The reality of Books involvement (He was an agent of the University) puts us in serious hot water with the NCAA.
Hey Genius....you think Adidas is paying someone to go to a school without checking if the Adidas school wants him first? Of course and the tooth fairy is real. There may be no tape of it but you need to pull your head out of your ass and look at things logically. Yeah...Adidas is deciding who Kansas should recruit instead of the staff.....lol.dmjcat wrote:Spaceman Spiff wrote:Yeah, I'm sure Kansas had nothing to do with adidas spending well over 100k to route players to Kansas. I'm sure there were no recruits beyond two.dmjcat wrote:The filing specifically states (regarding Kansas), that no official from Kansas knew about the money/Adidas involvement. Thats the big difference between Kansas and the UA case. I doubt Kansas is in any trouble here unless additional information is uncovered that shows that Self/KU staff were involved.
There is a lot of rationalizing going on in this thread. At this point Kansas is clearly NOT in the same boat as the UA.......thanks to Book.
I think you're just lookkng for recognition for ****ting on Arizona at this point.
Hardly. Hell, Self may have been personally involved..........but there is ZERO proof of any Kansas involvement in the FBI charges. All of the posters here were gleefully falling all over themselves that KU was in the "Same Boat" as AZ. They are not.
The FBI or anyone else would not say what Kansas knew...they would say we don't have it on tape and therefore have no reason to believe their involvement. We will listen to Gatto sing when it is time. This charges against Gatto is just to increase pressure and get more names/schools. More to come my friend......dmjcat wrote:Spiff:Spaceman Spiff wrote:DMJ:
You are intentionally or accidentally being stupid. The actual NCAA violation is paying Quinerly and there's no proof that happened.
Kansas just saw a federal indictment founded (in part) on a payment to Jackson happening, and the only question is whether KU knew.
Damn, man, it's not hard.
Book is actually on TAPE arranging the payment (it may not have happened but its on freaking tape and Book is an agent of the Unversity).
Regarding whether KU knew, the FBI specifically states in its filing that KU did NOT know.
No, it really isn't hard. Unfortunately, we still have a boatload of fans in the Denial stage.
I would love to pick up the paper and read that Self/Rat Face from Duke were caught arranging payments......but they
were NOT..........we WERE.
Hey Einstein, where did I say that Kansas is innocent??.......I merely pointed out the FACT that there is ZERO evidence to the contrary at this point in time. UA , on the other hand, has a Book Richardson issue........FACT.TheCat wrote:Hey Genius....you think Adidas is paying someone to go to a school without checking if the Adidas school wants him first? Of course and the tooth fairy is real. There may be no tape of it but you need to pull your head out of your ass and look at things logically. Yeah...Adidas is deciding who Kansas should recruit instead of the staff.....lol.dmjcat wrote:Spaceman Spiff wrote:Yeah, I'm sure Kansas had nothing to do with adidas spending well over 100k to route players to Kansas. I'm sure there were no recruits beyond two.dmjcat wrote:The filing specifically states (regarding Kansas), that no official from Kansas knew about the money/Adidas involvement. Thats the big difference between Kansas and the UA case. I doubt Kansas is in any trouble here unless additional information is uncovered that shows that Self/KU staff were involved.
There is a lot of rationalizing going on in this thread. At this point Kansas is clearly NOT in the same boat as the UA.......thanks to Book.
I think you're just lookkng for recognition for ****ting on Arizona at this point.
Hardly. Hell, Self may have been personally involved..........but there is ZERO proof of any Kansas involvement in the FBI charges. All of the posters here were gleefully falling all over themselves that KU was in the "Same Boat" as AZ. They are not.
There seem to be an issue/issues that a few posters have brought up that you seem to be evading. Hypothetically if the only issue that Arizona has to deal wth is the Quinerly situation, and if it can be proven that neither the kid nor any of his family members received any money, was there actually an NCAA violation? It would seem to me that talking about such payments but not actually following through while incredibly sleezy is not actually a violation of NCAA rules or certainly not an exceptionally severe one.dmjcat wrote:Hey Einstein, where did I say that Kansas is innocent??.......I merely pointed out the FACT that there is ZERO evidence to the contrary at this point in time. UA , on the other hand, has a Book Richardson issue........FACT.TheCat wrote:Hey Genius....you think Adidas is paying someone to go to a school without checking if the Adidas school wants him first? Of course and the tooth fairy is real. There may be no tape of it but you need to pull your head out of your ass and look at things logically. Yeah...Adidas is deciding who Kansas should recruit instead of the staff.....lol.dmjcat wrote:Spaceman Spiff wrote:Yeah, I'm sure Kansas had nothing to do with adidas spending well over 100k to route players to Kansas. I'm sure there were no recruits beyond two.dmjcat wrote:The filing specifically states (regarding Kansas), that no official from Kansas knew about the money/Adidas involvement. Thats the big difference between Kansas and the UA case. I doubt Kansas is in any trouble here unless additional information is uncovered that shows that Self/KU staff were involved.
There is a lot of rationalizing going on in this thread. At this point Kansas is clearly NOT in the same boat as the UA.......thanks to Book.
I think you're just lookkng for recognition for ****ting on Arizona at this point.
Hardly. Hell, Self may have been personally involved..........but there is ZERO proof of any Kansas involvement in the FBI charges. All of the posters here were gleefully falling all over themselves that KU was in the "Same Boat" as AZ. They are not.
Have you actually read the indictment??? See page 26, number 43. It specifically states that they hid everything from KUTheCat wrote:dmjcat what you said was totally inaccurate. You said "The filing specifically states (regarding Kansas), that no official from Kansas knew about the money/Adidas involvement." That sounds like Kansas is innocent to me.
You think the FBI or DoJ would ever say what Kansas knew? Move on rookie. No one makes statements about what someone knew or did not know (since it can never be proved) in an indictment. They talk about evidence that support charges not what they think someone knew.
If I was an Adadis school I would be nervous. Gatto will soon see the light....he will state ever payment he ever made and who knew. I am sure the DoJ and FBI are looking for the Nike equivalent of Gatto.
One last thing.....you wanted someone to show you where U of A is called a victim. Well that is what a large part of indictment is about. Paying a player is not illegal....it is what it does to the NCAA eligibility of that player. If a player is not eligible the university are cheated out of their value or defrauded of their value. Read the indictment and the law they site.
Spaceman Spiff wrote:Raising Arizona: Dead on. That's the big issue, and if I was the U of A's team to argue to the NCAA, I would hammer that. Asking for money to pay a recruit may be sleazy, but it really isn't a violation unless you can prove someone actually got paid.
If Quinerly is eligible, it's very disproportionate to hammer Arizona. Maybe we get something because it looks bad, but blasting us on a theory of Book paying players and clearing the player he supposedly paid...well, I won't say never because it is the NCAA, but it would make no sense.
My guess is that Book will get a plea deal long before trial.CatHoops wrote:Who the hell knows. Looks trial isn't set until April 2019 So one more year if it makes it to trial.
Did they say no one knew as you stated? No one is recruiting or paying players to go to a school without acknowledgement that school wants the player. It is called logic. What was Gatto going to tell his boss after he dropped $100K and the kid was not offered a scholarship? Or went to a Nike school? What's the payoff to Gatto?dmjcat wrote:Have you actually read the indictment??? See page 26, number 43. It specifically states that they hid everything from KUTheCat wrote:dmjcat what you said was totally inaccurate. You said "The filing specifically states (regarding Kansas), that no official from Kansas knew about the money/Adidas involvement." That sounds like Kansas is innocent to me.
You think the FBI or DoJ would ever say what Kansas knew? Move on rookie. No one makes statements about what someone knew or did not know (since it can never be proved) in an indictment. They talk about evidence that support charges not what they think someone knew.
If I was an Adadis school I would be nervous. Gatto will soon see the light....he will state ever payment he ever made and who knew. I am sure the DoJ and FBI are looking for the Nike equivalent of Gatto.
One last thing.....you wanted someone to show you where U of A is called a victim. Well that is what a large part of indictment is about. Paying a player is not illegal....it is what it does to the NCAA eligibility of that player. If a player is not eligible the university are cheated out of their value or defrauded of their value. Read the indictment and the law they site.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press ... 6/download" target="_blank
If you read it, that exact statement is made at the end of every school's portion, including Louisville, where the coaches were actually soliciting money. It is clearly not in reference to coaches, but refers to school admin.dmjcat wrote:Have you actually read the indictment??? See page 26, number 43. It specifically states that they hid everything from KUTheCat wrote:dmjcat what you said was totally inaccurate. You said "The filing specifically states (regarding Kansas), that no official from Kansas knew about the money/Adidas involvement." That sounds like Kansas is innocent to me.
You think the FBI or DoJ would ever say what Kansas knew? Move on rookie. No one makes statements about what someone knew or did not know (since it can never be proved) in an indictment. They talk about evidence that support charges not what they think someone knew.
If I was an Adadis school I would be nervous. Gatto will soon see the light....he will state ever payment he ever made and who knew. I am sure the DoJ and FBI are looking for the Nike equivalent of Gatto.
One last thing.....you wanted someone to show you where U of A is called a victim. Well that is what a large part of indictment is about. Paying a player is not illegal....it is what it does to the NCAA eligibility of that player. If a player is not eligible the university are cheated out of their value or defrauded of their value. Read the indictment and the law they site.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press ... 6/download" target="_blank
Fact: The indictment states that KU was not aware of the payoffsTheCat wrote:Did they say no one knew as you stated? No one is recruiting or paying players to go to a school without acknowledgement that school wants the player. It is called logic. What was Gatto going to tell his boss after he dropped $100K and the kid was not offered a scholarship? Or went to a Nike school? What's the payoff to Gatto?dmjcat wrote:Have you actually read the indictment??? See page 26, number 43. It specifically states that they hid everything from KUTheCat wrote:dmjcat what you said was totally inaccurate. You said "The filing specifically states (regarding Kansas), that no official from Kansas knew about the money/Adidas involvement." That sounds like Kansas is innocent to me.
You think the FBI or DoJ would ever say what Kansas knew? Move on rookie. No one makes statements about what someone knew or did not know (since it can never be proved) in an indictment. They talk about evidence that support charges not what they think someone knew.
If I was an Adadis school I would be nervous. Gatto will soon see the light....he will state ever payment he ever made and who knew. I am sure the DoJ and FBI are looking for the Nike equivalent of Gatto.
One last thing.....you wanted someone to show you where U of A is called a victim. Well that is what a large part of indictment is about. Paying a player is not illegal....it is what it does to the NCAA eligibility of that player. If a player is not eligible the university are cheated out of their value or defrauded of their value. Read the indictment and the law they site.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press ... 6/download" target="_blank
Actually, it was the Warren Commission that came to that conclusion, not the FBI.azgreg wrote:Didn't the FBI say Lee Harvey Oswald act alone?
He's trolling. I got sucked in again, but there's no way someone could ignore the basic point so long.RaisingArizona wrote:DMJCAT,
You keep stating that Book is on tape. Though that is true the most pressing issue is whether or not there is proof that Book actually followed through on what he talked about. That is at this juncture where the rubber meets the road.
Forgot what TV show it was, it was the show where 2 guys and this woman tried to recreate and debunk urban legends, and they were actually able to recreate the magic bullet shot. Wasn't really a fan of the show, but that was a really good episode.dmjcat wrote: That conclusion, by the way, is still valid today regardless of all the half baked conspiracy theories that have been hatched over the years. All of the evidence overwhelmingly points to Oswald acting alone.
Let me guess "Look" is his source.PHXCATS wrote:So a former employee of ESPN radio here in Phoenix is saying he is hearing from sources in Tucson that Book is gonna rat on UA to reduce jailtime
This person did not say a source, but this person sent a misleading tweet about Book and when asked for clarification, he got defensive and mentioned that he heard from Tucson that Book would ratJefe wrote:and her name is Meg Jansen
Jurecki?PHXCATS wrote:This person did not say a source, but this person sent a misleading tweet about Book and when asked for clarification, he got defensive and mentioned that he heard from Tucson that Book would ratJefe wrote:and her name is Meg Jansen
I'm not saying you or this ESPN radio guy is wrong, but literally no one at Arizona is acting as if they're about to be screwed any time soon.PHXCATS wrote:So a former employee of ESPN radio here in Phoenix is saying he is hearing from sources in Tucson that Book is gonna rat on UA to reduce jailtime
I dont believe it as the FBI said that U of A was the victim and Book couldnt rat to the NCAA for reduced jail time. I am just passing along what I heard as it is from someone with a blue checkmarkChooChooCat wrote:I'm not saying you or this ESPN radio guy is wrong, but literally no one at Arizona is acting as if they're about to be screwed any time soon.PHXCATS wrote:So a former employee of ESPN radio here in Phoenix is saying he is hearing from sources in Tucson that Book is gonna rat on UA to reduce jailtime
Mythbusters? Was the woman really cute with red hair?Merkin wrote:Forgot what TV show it was, it was the show where 2 guys and this woman tried to recreate and debunk urban legends, and they were actually able to recreate the magic bullet shot. Wasn't really a fan of the show, but that was a really good episode.dmjcat wrote: That conclusion, by the way, is still valid today regardless of all the half baked conspiracy theories that have been hatched over the years. All of the evidence overwhelmingly points to Oswald acting alone.
So far the FBI has shown zero interest in indicting school personnel. That has every marker of some BS someone makes up because they don't understand the difference between real world illegality and NCAA violations.PHXCATS wrote:So a former employee of ESPN radio here in Phoenix is saying he is hearing from sources in Tucson that Book is gonna rat on UA to reduce jailtime
And isn't this the most common and frustrating mistake?Spaceman Spiff wrote: So far the FBI has shown zero interest in indicting school personnel. That has every marker of some BS someone makes up because they don't understand the difference between real world illegality and NCAA violations.
