let's talk '18

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:44 pm

We're not winning anything significant next year, just play Barcello and if he absolutely doesn't grow, go all out on Nico Mannion next year (not that Arizona isn't doing that anyway).

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:14 pm

NYCat wrote:We're not winning anything significant next year, just play Barcello and if he absolutely doesn't grow, go all out on Nico Mannion next year (not that Arizona isn't doing that anyway).

I think Coleman is the guy.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:16 pm

azgreg wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:
Main Event wrote:Don't let him leave without signing
Yep, I like his game a lot. Also pleased with the Doutrive signing (coolest name ever). Add in BW and the class looks very good, imo.
How is it pronounced by the way?

Watch some King of the Hill.
Bill Doutrive is the neighbor.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:17 pm

Gershon thinks we will land Thielemans. Possible commitment tomorrow. We will definitely need a grad-transfer PG if BW goes to Oregon.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:23 pm

Pair of traditional transfers

midnightx · Post by **midnightx** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:09 pm

It is amazing that "Point Guard U" no longer can bring in a point guard. Granted, Turner was a top ten recruit who became one of the biggest 5 star busts in recent memory, but other than McConnell who was a transfer, it is amazing how few elite point guards have come through Tucson lately. Miller looked to have two legitimate prospects lined up for the next couple of years, but with the Book fiasco and then the ESPN hit-job, Arizona is back to its recent point guard woes. If Williams does not recommit, and it is unclear if he will become a great point guard, hopefully Arizona can bring in a decent transfer.

midnightx · Post by **midnightx** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:11 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:He cancelled his visit. He's going to Georgetown.

Guess he wanted to be back east. UConn and then Georgetown. One would think he would have at least visited Arizona over the weekend, which is clearly a superior program to Georgetown, and one that will have a potentially better roster next year. Oh well....

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:32 pm

midnightx wrote:It is amazing that "Point Guard U" no longer can bring in a point guard. Granted, Turner was a top ten recruit who became one of the biggest 5 star busts in recent memory, but other than McConnell who was a transfer, it is amazing how few elite point guards have come through Tucson lately. Miller looked to have two legitimate prospects lined up for the next couple of years, but with the Book fiasco and then the ESPN hit-job, Arizona is back to its recent point guard woes. If Williams does not recommit, and it is unclear if he will become a great point guard, hopefully Arizona can bring in a decent transfer.

Well, Quinerly and BWill were gonna be elite.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:37 pm

I don't follow recruiting like you guys do but this Akinjo kid comes across as a bit flaky to me.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:58 pm

Someone give me some good news.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:18 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:He cancelled his visit. He's going to Georgetown.

Getting some cred ChooChoo!

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:35 am

Chicat wrote:Someone give me some good news.

The NCAA investigation is going to get worse before it gets better and more information will come out and more teams will be implicated so the stain on our program will not be as bad.

More importantly, I think there is a real chance College Basketball changes for the better. College Basketball is a dying sport outside the tournament and all this crap might force it to change. I could be naive thinking that happens but am hopeful it does.

As far as the 2018 recruiting class, I am optimistic outside of point guard. Just so frustrating we have not been able to bring in a good one past couple of years. Feels like we are LSU football. We have all the pieces but cant bring in that stud starting QB.

I came back on these boards and we are friends now

Its also almost summer time

Rich Rod is no longer our Head Football Coach and we are finally building an Indoor Practice Facility

And none of us graduated from ASU....sorry Guard U

Dosia · Post by **Dosia** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:39 am

Merkin wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:He cancelled his visit. He's going to Georgetown.
Getting some cred ChooChoo!

It sounds like AZ cancelled the visit, not that it matters.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:40 am

Sounds like Williams is on commitment watch tbh

Especially that last quote

The Oregon men's basketball program will make their pitch for signing their third five-star prospect in the 2018 recruiting class this weekend.

247Sports' Five-star point guard Brandon Williams begins an official visit to Eugene Friday afternoon and will be in town until early Sunday morning. DuckTerritory.com spoke with his father Chris Wright to preview the visit.

"We want to see the campus and the facilities," Wright said. "Most importantly, we want to know what his role would be on next year's team. They've said he could play with Payton Pritchard and they would be good next to each other, but what does this really entail?"

While a starting role hasn't been promised to Williams, the Ducks have a track record of using multiple point guards at the same time on the floor, and most recently it helped the Ducks get to the Final Four in 2017 when Payton Pritchard and Dylan Ennis started at guard.

Prior to Williams' commitment to Arizona earlier this season the Ducks were never really involved in the recruitment. That changed after Williams decided to open things back up in late February.

"Oregon was the first school to reach out," said Wright. "Brandon's AAU coach called me hours after he announced the decision Friday saying Tony Stubblefield (Oregon assistant) wanted to come down and just watch Brandon's next game. He didn't even need to talk to Brandon. He was front and center on Tuesday night and that really meant a lot and showed a lot to us. Oregon was for real and serious about my son."

Williams interest in Oregon stems from a track record under Dana Altman as head coach at Oregon.

"The style of play is really good and the development that they have with their guards is big," said Wright. "Dana Altman speaks for itself. They are sending guys now to the league after having like three guards go in the last few seasons, and that's everyone's dream of getting to the NBA."

Williams made an unofficial visit to Arizona State last weekend and will have another visit set for Gonzaga on June 2nd. The family is going to potentially take another official visit to an unnamed school on May 18th "should everything work out and check out with that school." A commitment from Williams to any school isn't going to happen until closer to the middle of June.

Wright said Arizona is still in the picture despite his son's commitment. Arizona head coach Sean Miller made an in-home visit on Monday trying to keep the Wildcats in the hunt.

"This is going to play itself out for awhile now," said Wright. "We are not in any rush right now and we just want to find what's right. There is a lot of roster movement between guys going pro, guys deciding to transfer, schools going after grad transfers, and other recruits. We know how things are and we understand if a school has one spot and it gets filled before we are ready to decide. We just want to make sure we make the right call a second time around.

Williams will be accompanied by Wright and his wife on the official visit to Eugene this weekend and it's a visit the family has been looking forward to.

"We're excited about this visit and to check out the program," said Wright. "We are all going, we are Brandon's support and we'll all need to see this school before we make the call on where to go."

247Sports ranks Williams as the 22nd best player in the country and the sixth-best point guard in the class of 2018.

"Oregon is saying all the right things and doing all the right things right now," said Wright. "This visit will really decide how serious we are in Oregon and how serious Oregon is in Brandon."

Every visit always goes well

Also Miller can visit Williams anytime

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:03 am

midnightx · Post by **midnightx** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:16 am

Oregon can point to its guard dominated backcourt that lead to a final four run, and while Arizona has had its share of point guard woes over the past couple of years, Miller can point to McConnell’s success in the NBA. Does BWill get caught up in the Oregon recruiting class rhetoric or does he take a closer look at the rosters and what his actual role will be? Arizona has a lot to offer with a starting role and a roster with 5 star/4 star talent. Arizona needs this commitment, but one has to presume Oregon is in the lead.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:17 am

Oregon is so disingenuous in pitching Williams on playing with Pritchard.

Pritchard and Ennis shared the floor for 8 minutes a game by the end of that 2017 season. 80% of the time - they did not play two PGs together.

Pritchard is the best returning player on the Oregon team, a rising Junior who has started at point the last two seasons, and their only all conference player. If they convince Williams that he's going to push Pritchard to an off ball role they'll have pulled an all-time con job.

If WIlliams wants the ball in his hands there's only one program on his list that has a wide open vacancy at point guard.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:19 am

NYCat wrote:We're not winning anything significant next year, just play Barcello and if he absolutely doesn't grow, go all out on Nico Mannion next year (not that Arizona isn't doing that anyway).

Alex isn't a distributing 1. He is more of a scorer. He is also not a pure 3 point gunner, but can hit the shot when comfortable. His best offensive asset is getting into the lane and scoring creatively, or getting baseline to the basket. He has a quick release and has different release points on floaters and layups and can jump off either leg. Think Steve Nash...his game is not angular...he will probe the defense, not necessarily in the straight lines most basketball players use, and he will get a good look or will get someone else a good look, but his ability to score drives his passing.

He has a lot on his shoulders right now and, hopefully, with some guarantee of time comes a level of comfort.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:20 am

midnightx wrote:Oregon can point to its guard dominated backcourt that lead to a final four run,

That run was due to Dillon Brooks, Jordan Bell, and Tyler Dorsey (who especially caught fire in March). Their guards Ennis and Pritchard were complete after thoughts in that tournament.

Worth noting that all three of the front court players on that team got All Pac-12 awards and were drafted, while the guards got neither.

midnightx · Post by **midnightx** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:26 am

YoDeFoe wrote:Oregon is so disingenuous in pitching Williams on playing with Pritchard.

Pritchard and Ennis shared the floor for 8 minutes a game by the end of that 2017 season. 80% of the time - they did not play two PGs together.

Pritchard is the best returning player on the Oregon team, a rising Junior who has started at point the last two seasons, and their only all conference player. If they convince Williams that he's going to push Pritchard to an off ball role they'll have pulled an all-time con job.

If WIlliams wants the ball in his hands there's only one program on his list that has a wide open vacancy at point guard.

You are correct, but Oregon does not have the Arizona stigma right now, they are on the rise with a top recruiting class and recent final four. That can cloud a recruit’s judgement. Hopefully Miller can get through to the kid and his dad and provide some clarity. Watch him go to Oregon and transfer out after one year.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:28 am

Has a coach ever had to build a single year’s incoming class twice?!

First class:
Quinerly
O’Neal
Williams
Bol (likely)

Second class:
Doutrive
?
?
?

Sean’s resilience is the stuff of legend.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:37 am

midnightx wrote:It is amazing that "Point Guard U" no longer can bring in a point guard. Granted, Turner was a top ten recruit who became one of the biggest 5 star busts in recent memory, but other than McConnell who was a transfer, it is amazing how few elite point guards have come through Tucson lately. Miller looked to have two legitimate prospects lined up for the next couple of years, but with the Book fiasco and then the ESPN hit-job, Arizona is back to its recent point guard woes. If Williams does not recommit, and it is unclear if he will become a great point guard, hopefully Arizona can bring in a decent transfer.

So it really was one point guard cycle (PJC).

Momo was not chump change for a brand new program with Nic Wise being the main returner from a fiasco of 2 years. Mark Lyons was excellent. Turner was elite, McConnell was trusted by Miller (who cares about stars if you know the player will perform?) so he knew he had that covered, and then...

Quinnerly and BW in one class.

So the real gap was PJC. Which is totally on Miller. But PointGuardU had one heck of a 2018 class lined up.

That said, that designation really didn't mean anything to kids that were in Miller's era. Bayless was lost in the mess, Mustafa did not wow (though was much better than some remember), Jason Gardner was a very good college PG surrounded by eclipsing talent, so...

Kerr/Stoudamire/Bibby/Gardner (if you include him) was a long time ago.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:56 am

Ryan Luther, Grad transfer PF from Pitt, is on campus as well.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:14 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Ryan Luther, Grad transfer PF from Pitt, is on campus as well.

That would be a really nice add for us.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:15 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Ryan Luther, Grad transfer PF from Pitt, is on campus as well.

Would love to lock him up this weekend along with Omar. That would make it so that we really would just need a PG or two to be a comfortable tourney team.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:38 am

goslingswagg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Ryan Luther, Grad transfer PF from Pitt, is on campus as well.
Would love to lock him up this weekend along with Omar. That would make it so that we really would just need a PG or two to be a comfortable tourney team.

Luther starts at the 4 from day 1 and Omar is the future at the wing. Gotta land both.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:41 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
goslingswagg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Ryan Luther, Grad transfer PF from Pitt, is on campus as well.
Would love to lock him up this weekend along with Omar. That would make it so that we really would just need a PG or two to be a comfortable tourney team.
Luther starts at the 4 from day 1 and Omar is the future at the wing. Gotta land both.

What does the Choo crystal ball say about the chances of this happening are?

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:42 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
goslingswagg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Ryan Luther, Grad transfer PF from Pitt, is on campus as well.
Would love to lock him up this weekend along with Omar. That would make it so that we really would just need a PG or two to be a comfortable tourney team.
Luther starts at the 4 from day 1 and Omar is the future at the wing. Gotta land both.

Choo, any idea if they are chasing anyone to backup Jeter?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:44 am

baycat93 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
goslingswagg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Ryan Luther, Grad transfer PF from Pitt, is on campus as well.
Would love to lock him up this weekend along with Omar. That would make it so that we really would just need a PG or two to be a comfortable tourney team.
Luther starts at the 4 from day 1 and Omar is the future at the wing. Gotta land both.
Choo, any idea if they are chasing anyone to backup Jeter?

If we got Luther, we'd be ok. Jeter, Lee and Luther with Akot as an option if we go small is enough to hold down the fort. If we got Omar, I think he has potential at 6'7, 200 to be another smaller option if really needed.

Kisunas would be the end level complement, but he's sort of a developmental guy.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:46 am

Miller has the makings of a Phoenix if this all hits.

Man you guys are getting me excited

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:57 am

Newportcat wrote:
Chicat wrote:Someone give me some good news.
The NCAA investigation is going to get worse before it gets better and more information will come out and more teams will be implicated so the stain on our program will not be as bad.

More importantly, I think there is a real chance College Basketball changes for the better. College Basketball is a dying sport outside the tournament and all this crap might force it to change. I could be naive thinking that happens but am hopeful it does.

As far as the 2018 recruiting class, I am optimistic outside of point guard. Just so frustrating we have not been able to bring in a good one past couple of years. Feels like we are LSU football. We have all the pieces but cant bring in that stud starting QB.

I came back on these boards and we are friends now

Its also almost summer time

Rich Rod is no longer our Head Football Coach and we are finally building an Indoor Practice Facility

And none of us graduated from ASU....sorry Guard U

Well done. You got me smiling Newport!

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:19 am

baycat93 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
goslingswagg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Ryan Luther, Grad transfer PF from Pitt, is on campus as well.
Would love to lock him up this weekend along with Omar. That would make it so that we really would just need a PG or two to be a comfortable tourney team.
Luther starts at the 4 from day 1 and Omar is the future at the wing. Gotta land both.
Choo, any idea if they are chasing anyone to backup Jeter?

The former UCONN commit.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:34 am

If a guy like Luther comes in and chooses us he doesn't sign a LOI does he? Nothing would make his commitment binding would it?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:01 pm

azcat49 wrote:If a guy like Luther comes in and chooses us he doesn't sign a LOI does he? Nothing would make his commitment binding would it?

No, they just sign financial aid paperwork, but grad transfers don't mess around. It would take a catastrophe to hit Arizona prior to July for a committed grad transfer not to enroll.

CatMG · Post by **CatMG** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:25 pm

I notice on the ESPN player Ranking they don't have Devonaire Doutrive as a (verbal) commit. They aren't just being petty are they...or did he not (verbally) commit to UA?

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:29 pm

CatMG wrote:I notice on the ESPN player Ranking they have Devonaire Doutrive as a (verbal) commit. They aren't just being petty are they...or did he not (verbally) commit to UA?

He signed an NLI. There's a picture earlier in this thread.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:36 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
azcat49 wrote:If a guy like Luther comes in and chooses us he doesn't sign a LOI does he? Nothing would make his commitment binding would it?
No, they just sign financial aid paperwork, but grad transfers don't mess around. It would take a catastrophe to hit Arizona prior to July for a committed grad transfer not to enroll.

Yeah. They don't care beyond a single year. Unless we self-impose sanctions before July...no reason for him to care.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:58 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
azcat49 wrote:If a guy like Luther comes in and chooses us he doesn't sign a LOI does he? Nothing would make his commitment binding would it?
No, they just sign financial aid paperwork, but grad transfers don't mess around. It would take a catastrophe to hit Arizona prior to July for a committed grad transfer not to enroll.
Yeah. They don't care beyond a single year. Unless we self-impose sanctions before July...no reason for him to care.

Bingo.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:59 pm

CatMG wrote:I notice on the ESPN player Ranking they have Devonaire Doutrive as a (verbal) commit. They aren't just being petty are they...or did he not (verbally) commit to UA?

I wouldn't take it too seriously, they're slow with this type of crap and don't have guys who run specific school websites like Scheer with 247 and Moreno with Rivals who update those things the second they happen.

BibbysTowelDude · Post by **BibbysTowelDude** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:24 pm

Omar Thielemans gives me a basketball boner

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:54 pm

Chicat wrote:
Newportcat wrote:
Chicat wrote:Someone give me some good news.
The NCAA investigation is going to get worse before it gets better and more information will come out and more teams will be implicated so the stain on our program will not be as bad.

More importantly, I think there is a real chance College Basketball changes for the better. College Basketball is a dying sport outside the tournament and all this crap might force it to change. I could be naive thinking that happens but am hopeful it does.

As far as the 2018 recruiting class, I am optimistic outside of point guard. Just so frustrating we have not been able to bring in a good one past couple of years. Feels like we are LSU football. We have all the pieces but cant bring in that stud starting QB.

I came back on these boards and we are friends now

Its also almost summer time

Rich Rod is no longer our Head Football Coach and we are finally building an Indoor Practice Facility

And none of us graduated from ASU....sorry Guard U
Well done. You got me smiling Newport!

No problem and honestly I am actually way more optimistic about our recruiting class right now then I was 2 weeks ago. Feels like Miller is selling his ass off right now

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:14 am

BibbysTowelDude wrote:Omar Thielemans gives me a basketball boner

He does seem to have a set of skills, and has me very intrigued. Looks like he can handle the rock, and shoot from the 3

enfuego · Post by **enfuego** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:49 pm

Supposedly Miller is on the road recruiting this phenom. Apparently an offer is right around the corner.

Captain Obvious · Post by **Captain Obvious** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:44 pm

enfuego wrote:Supposedly Miller is on the road recruiting this phenom. Apparently an offer is right around the corner.

Doubtful this guy's a Miller prospect. He isn't holding a bag of money in his left hand.

SteveKerrsStroke · Post by **SteveKerrsStroke** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:25 pm

No matter - we would outbid everyone else anyways

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:27 pm

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:00 pm

enfuego wrote:Supposedly Miller is on the road recruiting this phenom. Apparently an offer is right around the corner.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:23 am

Per Gershon, Omar Thielemans committed to Arizona.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:26 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Per Gershon, Omar Thielemans committed to Arizona.

Sweet! Maybe all is not lost yet.

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:39 am

Totally agree here. This kid looks to be a special type player and a big body without a proper workout regiment. Excited about this kid

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