let's talk '19

RawleArenas · Post by **RawleArenas** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:38 pm

On a much brighter note considering our recent woes on the court, I am thoroughly impressed with Terry Armstrong. Before he committed, every time I looked at his tapes I just sat there dumbfounded. There's was no way a guy like should be ranked 60th in his class.

I haven't been excited about a player like that since Alkins came to Tucson. Which is a bit of a sour note for me, because I feel that if he, Kobi and Chance had stayed we would have had our FF, or at least a really good shot to make it there.

Terry Armstrong reminds me a little of Iggy, but is much more talented offensively. I think he might the most polished scorer that Miller has ever had. He also plays great defense. If he stays here three years, he has the potential to be one of the all-time Wildcats.

In my opinion, he's a top 20 guy, possibly top 10.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:54 pm

Our '19 class is potentially Miller's best ever. That's saying a lot.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:51 pm

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:59 pm

Wow. Sean knows he’s losing some of these guys on the current roster.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:19 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Wow. Sean knows he’s losing some of these guys on the current roster.

Or at least he wants a few of those guys to know they’re leaving.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:21 pm

Chicat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Wow. Sean knows he’s losing some of these guys on the current roster.
Or at least he wants a few of those guys to know they’re leaving.

*Finger to nose*

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:27 pm

*Foot to buttocks*

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:27 pm

Chicat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Wow. Sean knows he’s losing some of these guys on the current roster.
Or at least he wants a few of those guys to know they’re leaving.

Doesn't sound like a guy who thinks he'll be unemployed this off season.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:28 pm

azgreg wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Wow. Sean knows he’s losing some of these guys on the current roster.
Or at least he wants a few of those guys to know they’re leaving.
Doesn't sound like a guy who thinks he'll be unemployed this off season.

Sure doesn’t.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:33 pm

Who are the 13 now on paper?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:37 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Wow. Sean knows he’s losing some of these guys on the current roster.
Or at least he wants a few of those guys to know they’re leaving.
*Finger to nose*

Randolph hasn't exactly inspired me to want him back. Based on what people think around here, that would be my one gone.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:38 pm

Postmaster wrote:Who are the 13 now on paper?

Williams
Barcello
Doutrive
Randolph
Lee
Jeter
Smith
Gettings
Mannion
Green
Armstrong
Nnaji
Koloko

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:51 pm

Randolph and Smith make the most sense.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:03 pm

Need Jeter to stay next year. Arizona will need a rim protector and someone inside to keep opposing defenses honest as we bring in an incredible backcourt of Mannion, Green, and Armstrong. Jeter or any UA bigs will get a lot of easy buckets because of our backcourt.

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:53 am

I feel like barcello might be gone, though I like him, he has tenacity and if he could translate his shooting from practice to game time could be like York, and also back up at point. But that's just a feeling, not even as strong as the feeling of share of the PAC regular season and play in the title game, which was not close. Maybe, it might still be possible.

But, I do owe someone a signature I believe.
Nothing offensive, no swears, self deprecating humor allowed, I have a veto.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:06 am

U.P. Zona Fan wrote:I feel like barcello might be gone, though I like him, he has tenacity and if he could translate his shooting from practice to game time could be like York, and also back up at point. But that's just a feeling, not even as strong as the feeling of share of the PAC regular season and play in the title game, which was not close. Maybe, it might still be possible.

But, I do owe someone a signature I believe.
Nothing offensive, no swears, self deprecating humor allowed, I have a veto.

If the transfer decisions were being made today Barcello would not be one of them.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:16 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
U.P. Zona Fan wrote:I feel like barcello might be gone, though I like him, he has tenacity and if he could translate his shooting from practice to game time could be like York, and also back up at point. But that's just a feeling, not even as strong as the feeling of share of the PAC regular season and play in the title game, which was not close. Maybe, it might still be possible.

But, I do owe someone a signature I believe.
Nothing offensive, no swears, self deprecating humor allowed, I have a veto.
If the transfer decisions were being made today Barcello would not be one of them.

Goodbye Randolph and Smith...

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:17 am

goslingswagg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
U.P. Zona Fan wrote:I feel like barcello might be gone, though I like him, he has tenacity and if he could translate his shooting from practice to game time could be like York, and also back up at point. But that's just a feeling, not even as strong as the feeling of share of the PAC regular season and play in the title game, which was not close. Maybe, it might still be possible.

But, I do owe someone a signature I believe.
Nothing offensive, no swears, self deprecating humor allowed, I have a veto.
If the transfer decisions were being made today Barcello would not be one of them.
Goodbye Randolph and Smith...

I'm less certain about Smith. He actually has more of a role on next year's team than Randolph, even though Randolph is easily more talented.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:22 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
goslingswagg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
U.P. Zona Fan wrote:I feel like barcello might be gone, though I like him, he has tenacity and if he could translate his shooting from practice to game time could be like York, and also back up at point. But that's just a feeling, not even as strong as the feeling of share of the PAC regular season and play in the title game, which was not close. Maybe, it might still be possible.

But, I do owe someone a signature I believe.
Nothing offensive, no swears, self deprecating humor allowed, I have a veto.
If the transfer decisions were being made today Barcello would not be one of them.
Goodbye Randolph and Smith...
I'm less certain about Smith. He actually has more of a role on next year's team than Randolph, even though Randolph is easily more talented.

I would like to see Smith stick around too as long as he agrees to improve his shot selection and learn to stay within his role.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:44 am

I just really want to see Lee, B Williams and Jeter back.

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:46 am

Not saying Smith has a big role on next years team... but he is shooting 45% from 3 in Pac12 play (unfortunately he is shooting 33% inside the arc!)

And to show how much Williams might help this team... he has as many 3's in Pac12 play as Coleman on 7 less shots and has scored 2 more points total (110 -108). He also has more made 3's (14-13) than Randolph on 19 less shots!

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:53 am

baycat93 wrote:Not saying Smith has a big role on next years team... but he is shooting 45% from 3 in Pac12 play (unfortunately he is shooting 33% inside the arc!)

And to show how much Williams might help this team... he has as many 3's in Pac12 play as Coleman on 7 less shots and has scored 2 more points total (110 -108). He also has more made 3's (14-13) than Randolph on 19 less shots!

I'd like to see Smith return to take 3's, play D and rebound. He doesn't need to do much more to be a solid role player, and we could use a solid role player on the wing.

Williams was really getting to a solid, efficient place before the knee. Losing Jeter, then him, it really was a loss of our two best players right in a row.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:18 am

I don't have much hope for Williams. Congenital knee problem in high school, and now this. Just see Ray Smith all over again unless Williams goes through another surgery again.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketbal ... ets-offers" target="_blank

Williams was experiencing pain in his right knee in the fall of 2016, which turned out to be osteochondritis dissecans, a joint condition in which bone underneath the cartilage of a joint dies due to lack of blood flow. He was forced to have season-ending surgery in January of 2017, which took away his junior season. More than 10 months of recovery and rehab generated frustration and, at times, self doubt.

baycat93 wrote:unfortunately he is shooting 33% inside the arc!!

Smith driving to the basket is pretty much a guaranteed blocked shot.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:57 am

Ray Smith was fundamentally different from Williams. Smith blew different ACL's, and was prone to that. Williams has an underlying chronic condition.

Williams won't suffer actue injury like Smith. How much the bloodflow issue may return...well, that's a faith based solution.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:26 pm

U.P. Zona Fan wrote:I feel like barcello might be gone, though I like him, he has tenacity and if he could translate his shooting from practice to game time could be like York, and also back up at point. But that's just a feeling, not even as strong as the feeling of share of the PAC regular season and play in the title game, which was not close. Maybe, it might still be possible.

But, I do owe someone a signature I believe.
Nothing offensive, no swears, self deprecating humor allowed, I have a veto.

I would guess he is the least likely of the three or four people look at leaving. He knows his role, accepts it, and is not driven by delusions of grandeur.

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:25 pm

Good, I hope he stays.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:20 am

Little birdie told me to keep an eye on this kid.

https://247sports.com/Player/David-Skogman-46058779/" target="_blank

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:12 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Little birdie told me to keep an eye on this kid.

https://247sports.com/Player/David-Skogman-46058779/" target="_blank

Looks like he's got good hands.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:14 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Little birdie told me to keep an eye on this kid.

https://247sports.com/Player/David-Skogman-46058779/" target="_blank

Wouldn't mind him at all. Seems more like a developmental piece though, would doubt he would play any sort of role next year. Kinda similar to us kicking the tires on Parker Braun last year? Although this kid seems like a better prospect than him. I like late-rising guys like this a lot. I would guess we would want to pair bringing him in (if we do go after him) with one grad transfer that can actually play some minutes next year.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:19 am

goslingswagg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Little birdie told me to keep an eye on this kid.

https://247sports.com/Player/David-Skogman-46058779/" target="_blank
Wouldn't mind him at all. Seems more like a developmental piece though, would doubt he would play any sort of role next year. Kinda similar to us kicking the tires on Parker Braun last year? Although this kid seems like a better prospect than him. I like late-rising guys like this a lot. I would guess we would want to pair bringing him in (if we do go after him) with one grad transfer that can actually play some minutes next year.

Heard he's more advanced than that. Kid literally almost died from cardiac arrest on the court, had to sit out quite a bit, got cleared to play, gained 40lbs, and now he's got bigger schools on him after his play this year. I don't know if he gets an offer, but definitely someone to look out for.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:31 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
goslingswagg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Little birdie told me to keep an eye on this kid.

https://247sports.com/Player/David-Skogman-46058779/" target="_blank
Wouldn't mind him at all. Seems more like a developmental piece though, would doubt he would play any sort of role next year. Kinda similar to us kicking the tires on Parker Braun last year? Although this kid seems like a better prospect than him. I like late-rising guys like this a lot. I would guess we would want to pair bringing him in (if we do go after him) with one grad transfer that can actually play some minutes next year.
Heard he's more advanced than that. Kid literally almost died from cardiac arrest on the court, had to sit out quite a bit, got cleared to play, gained 40lbs, and now he's got bigger schools on him after his play this year. I don't know if he gets an offer, but definitely someone to look out for.

Yeah, definitely seems at a much higher level than Braun was based on the colleges interested in him. Seems like a large portion of the Big Ten is sniffing around as well. Gotta think he may be tough to pull if he's from WI and if a lot of the larger Big Ten programs start to pursue him more aggressively.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:38 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
goslingswagg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Little birdie told me to keep an eye on this kid.

https://247sports.com/Player/David-Skogman-46058779/" target="_blank
Wouldn't mind him at all. Seems more like a developmental piece though, would doubt he would play any sort of role next year. Kinda similar to us kicking the tires on Parker Braun last year? Although this kid seems like a better prospect than him. I like late-rising guys like this a lot. I would guess we would want to pair bringing him in (if we do go after him) with one grad transfer that can actually play some minutes next year.
Heard he's more advanced than that. Kid literally almost died from cardiac arrest on the court, had to sit out quite a bit, got cleared to play, gained 40lbs, and now he's got bigger schools on him after his play this year. I don't know if he gets an offer, but definitely someone to look out for.

I wouldn't hate having him and Koloko as developmental big guys. Those developmental players don't always pay off, so it doesn't hurt to have a few options. If we have Jeter, Lee, Nnaji and Gettings next year, that rotation is pretty full without Koloko or this kid being ready.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:46 am

This thread got bullish again.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:51 am

Think we’re seeing this year how much trouble you can get into not having enough size on your bench. USC and UCLA basically just ran layup drills against us. Luther and Lee aren’t big enough to clog a lane and effectively defend the paint. Jeter is, but he’s missed games. I’m all for adding a couple 6’10 projects (a la Kirk Walters). Teach them to defend and board.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:55 am

Longhorned wrote:This thread got bullish again.

Fanatics are gonna fanatic.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:08 am

Longhorned wrote:This thread got bullish again.

Wouldn't say it's bullish, more just we think as of now Miller is most likely here next year, so we're not expecting the 2019 class to fall apart as of now. And also, this guy we're talking about is currently unranked so not like we're talking about a big time recruit here, just a late-rising, developmental type prospect.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:27 pm

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:15 pm

With our issues, I just love Doutrive, Williams and everyone in next years class. Take no prisoners and play onnMonday

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:37 pm

I wouldn't say the stock market is bullish, just all the prices are going up.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:42 pm

U.P. Zona Fan wrote:I wouldn't say the stock market is bullish, just all the prices are going up.

Perfect.

midnightx · Post by **midnightx** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:34 pm

Alieberman wrote:I just really want to see Lee, B Williams and Jeter back.

Jeter is not ready for the league. One would think after sitting through last year’s drama and the fallout from it this year, he wound want to finish his AZ career on a high note on a loaded title contender.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:26 pm

azcat49 wrote:With our issues, I just love Doutrive, Williams and everyone in next years class. Take no prisoners and play onnMonday

Really hope Doutrive is back next year, so talented.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:59 am

azgreg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Little birdie told me to keep an eye on this kid.

https://247sports.com/Player/David-Skogman-46058779/" target="_blank
Looks like he's got good hands.

Nice offer list, but looks like he plays in some small Christian school league (although he doesn't) with all those tiny white boys.

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:01 am

goslingswagg wrote:
azcat49 wrote:With our issues, I just love Doutrive, Williams and everyone in next years class. Take no prisoners and play onnMonday
Really hope Doutrive is back next year, so talented.

I really think its a 99.99999% chance Doutrive is back. Unless theres something totally secretive going on behind the scenes. Hes honored the process and earned playing time.
B-Will should be back
Barcello most likely - and hes starting to earn it

Jeter is iffy

Dylan Smith maybe we are stuck with. Same with Randolph. Would Randolph transfer? All the talk of adding more players but I dont see where the schollies are coming from. Maybe Miller is worried about a current commit ot two not coming rather than current guys on roster leaving? Can he just say hey Dylan and Randolph thanks for trying but you're not Arizona good?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:09 pm

I'd put Doutrive as a 50/50 shot of being back. Which coaches get fired and which players become available will play a huge part in the shape of the roster next year.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:16 pm

So Choo, can we assume DD would be welcomed back and being 50/50 would be a sign of the roster being too loaded and him seeing he can’t get minutes like he would like?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:23 pm

azcat49 wrote:So Choo, can we assume DD would be welcomed back and being 50/50 would be a sign of the roster being too loaded and him seeing he can’t get minutes like he would like?

Yeah I'd say it's all about role next season for him. I'm not sure what it'd take honestly, because he's not starting next year. I'm just guessing here, but I think if a 6th man role is there then he stays, if not then adios.

prh · Post by **prh** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:00 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
azcat49 wrote:So Choo, can we assume DD would be welcomed back and being 50/50 would be a sign of the roster being too loaded and him seeing he can’t get minutes like he would like?
Yeah I'd say it's all about role next season for him. I'm not sure what it'd take honestly, because he's not starting next year. I'm just guessing here, but I think if a 6th man role is there then he stays, if not then adios.

So if we can successfully push Smith and Randolph out the door, more or less

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:17 pm

prh wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
azcat49 wrote:So Choo, can we assume DD would be welcomed back and being 50/50 would be a sign of the roster being too loaded and him seeing he can’t get minutes like he would like?
Yeah I'd say it's all about role next season for him. I'm not sure what it'd take honestly, because he's not starting next year. I'm just guessing here, but I think if a 6th man role is there then he stays, if not then adios.
So if we can successfully push Smith and Randolph out the door, more or less

Less concerned with that and more concerned that 2019 recruiting is not done.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:22 pm

Choo what are you concerned with? Defections from our current class? I am excited about the idea of bringing in better talent as some of these guys who would return just have not developed like we had hoped. Would love to know the area of your concern

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