2018-2019 Arizona Basketball

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:53 pm

Cats are 18-5 with their roster fully healthy. As Miller has said, there is no margin of error with this team.

Beat ASSU and if we win 2 in vegas to get to 20 wins I will say this year was pretty good considering what we had and had to overcome

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:49 pm

I feel good about beating ASU this week.

RiseAndFire · Post by **RiseAndFire** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:32 pm

47 total points against Oregon's zone, and just 16 second half points

Sounds about right for a team full of 4* playing Bennett Ball

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:47 pm

Fuck ASsU

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:48 pm

PieceOfMeat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:So this team isn't making the ncaa tourney is it.
Depends on Vegas.
I have a very hard time believing that this team could/would win 3(possibly 4) games in as many nights in the pac12 tourney.
Possibly 4? Good lord with the overreactions.
you also realize i was just filling in the length of the tournament, right?

talk about overreactions.

sup

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:45 am

PieceOfMeat wrote: sup

I'll admit I was wrong here, mostly because I forgot about the format change and thought you had to be 9-12 to play 1st day. But we could be that too

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:08 am

PieceOfMeat wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Depends on Vegas.
I have a very hard time believing that this team could/would win 3(possibly 4) games in as many nights in the pac12 tourney.
Possibly 4? Good lord with the overreactions.
you also realize i was just filling in the length of the tournament, right?

talk about overreactions.
sup

I'm surprised you remembered that.

I had responded with that after we fell to 4-1 in conference by losing to Oregon. So yeah, you predicted a 7 game losing streak more effectively than I had.

You win this round.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:21 pm

Well, not sure about you guys, but getting beaten pretty easily by ASU at McKale in March has to be among the lowest points for this program in several years. Maybe the lowest point of the Miller era.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:22 pm

if we were somehow invited to participate in the NIT we should decline it.

bury this season in the back yard and move the fuck on

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:26 pm

Now I know how asu fans usually feel. Not sure I would continue to subject myself to this.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:28 pm

Randolph is still a ding-dong. He should never have the ball with the game on the line.

Not that we had to worry about that scenario today. Serious intelligence deficit in this Arizona team. I can't believe I am still morbidly curious about watching them when I go to Vegas on Wednesday.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:30 pm

PieceOfMeat wrote:if

I would accept just for Luther and Coleman. They didn't grad transfer to Arizona to sit at home tourney time. Doesn't really matter to the rest of the team, just another game to get embarrassed again at.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:32 pm

Merkin wrote:
PieceOfMeat wrote:if
I would accept just for Luther and Coleman. They didn't grad transfer to Arizona to sit at home tourney time. Doesn't really matter to the rest of the team, just another game to get embarrassed again at.

Id typically agree, but I'm not sure theyve earned it either.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:07 pm

I'm rather glad I completely bailed on the entirety of conference play. Maybe saw about 10 mins of one game. I'll try again next year.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:07 pm

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:05 pm

Just got back to Mesa after watching that train wreck in Mckale.

I'm not certain what depressed me more. Was it:

1) 5th year senior Justin Coleman, who played like a freshman, charging to the basket over and over and flinging up wild shots at the top of the backboard and hoping something good happens

2) Brandon Randolph jumping 5 feet sideways while heaving up 3 point shots

3) Dylan Smith having trouble dribbling the ball downcourt.......with nobody guarding him

The collective IQ of our guards, on an integer scale from 0-10 with 10 being the best, is -1.

MC1983 · Post by **MC1983** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:28 pm

dmjcat wrote:Just got back to Mesa after watching that train wreck in Mckale.

I'm not certain what depressed me more. Was it:

1) 5th year senior Justin Coleman, who played like a freshman, charging to the basket over and over and flinging up wild shots at the top of the backboard and hoping something good happens

2) Brandon Randolph jumping 5 feet sideways while heaving up 3 point shots

3) Dylan Smith having trouble dribbling the ball downcourt.......with nobody guarding him

The collective IQ of our guards, on an integer scale from 0-10 with 10 being the best, is -1.

I want to b!tch slap the three of them. Absolutely stupid. I wonder if they realize how Fing dumb there decisions are sometimes.

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:24 pm

MC1983 wrote:
dmjcat wrote:Just got back to Mesa after watching that train wreck in Mckale.

I'm not certain what depressed me more. Was it:

1) 5th year senior Justin Coleman, who played like a freshman, charging to the basket over and over and flinging up wild shots at the top of the backboard and hoping something good happens

2) Brandon Randolph jumping 5 feet sideways while heaving up 3 point shots

3) Dylan Smith having trouble dribbling the ball downcourt.......with nobody guarding him

The collective IQ of our guards, on an integer scale from 0-10 with 10 being the best, is -1.

I want to b!tch slap the three of them. Absolutely stupid. I wonder if they realize how Fing dumb there decisions are sometimes.

Both jeter and Ira were pretty dominating inside when they actually got fed the ball on a halfway decent pass. Yet the guards on this team still just fling the ball around the outside looking to chuck up a 3....or they just drive to the hoop into 3 guys and wait for a foul. Why not just feed the bigs?

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:39 pm

PJC was better than Coleman.

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:04 pm

billk78 wrote:
MC1983 wrote:
dmjcat wrote:Just got back to Mesa after watching that train wreck in Mckale.

I'm not certain what depressed me more. Was it:

1) 5th year senior Justin Coleman, who played like a freshman, charging to the basket over and over and flinging up wild shots at the top of the backboard and hoping something good happens

2) Brandon Randolph jumping 5 feet sideways while heaving up 3 point shots

3) Dylan Smith having trouble dribbling the ball downcourt.......with nobody guarding him

The collective IQ of our guards, on an integer scale from 0-10 with 10 being the best, is -1.

I'm trying to forget the game entirely. Our DHOs are fraught with risk. Our perimeter passes are like credit card transactions on unsecured coffee shop wifi. Ira should have had sooo many more touches.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:54 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:PJC was better than Coleman.

they both suck

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:21 pm

97cats wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:PJC was better than Coleman.
they both suck

Yeah but would you rather burn off your eyebrows in a flambé accident or drink the glass of milk that your fraternity brothers farted into through a straw?

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:01 am

97cats wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:PJC was better than Coleman.
they both suck

Yeah. It's just not the level of PG play we've enjoyed with so many other players. I really thought Coleman would be a steadier hand than PJC, but he's just not a very good PG. He can't drive and create, and he even struggles to make the right pass in a half-court set. Oh well. Sean rolled the dice. Probably thought a senior PG would work well with this young roster. Not that it's all on Coleman. Randolph has been terrible. Luther is incredibly inconsistent and not a high level D1 player. CJ and BW are our two best players, and they both missed games due to injury. We needed some luck this year, and it just didn't happen.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:10 am

I really miss the Josiah Turner days.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:29 am

Still can't figure out why Coleman drives to the basket and tries to put up a shot that is lucky to hit the backboard. Like Scheer said Saturday, Coleman missed a layup by 5 feet.

But I can kind of see Coleman sucking, dude played at Samford.

Luther is hard to figure out. He averaged a double double his last season at Pitt. Now the strongest guy on the team is averaging 4.4 boards a game?

But Randolph is the biggest enigma. Looked like a future NBAer in the out of conference schedule. Very quick first step and could finish.

He was never a great shooter, but was decent.

Looking at his 3 point stats, for 2019 BR is 5 for 23 since February.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:49 am

Merkin wrote:Still can't figure out why Coleman drives to the basket and tries to put up a shot that is lucky to hit the backboard. Like Scheer said Saturday, Coleman missed a layup by 5 feet.

But I can kind of see Coleman sucking, dude played at Samford.

Luther is hard to figure out. He averaged a double double his last season at Pitt. Now the strongest guy on the team is averaging 4.4 boards a game?

But Randolph is the biggest enigma. Looked like a future NBAer in the out of conference schedule. Very quick first step and could finish.

He was never a great shooter, but was decent.

Looking at his 3 point stats, for 2019 BR is 5 for 23 since February.

It's really hard to imagine too many more things going wrong this season. No one emerged as better than expected. We got nothing from Barcello. Doutrive minutes were minimal. The guys we were really counting on to carry the team did not come through.

I know it's been said elsewhere, but one other thing that drives me crazy AF: why can't Miller design an offense to attack a zone?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:30 am

Merkin wrote:Still can't figure out why Coleman drives to the basket and tries to put up a shot that is lucky to hit the backboard. Like Scheer said Saturday, Coleman missed a layup by 5 feet.

But I can kind of see Coleman sucking, dude played at Samford.

Luther is hard to figure out. He averaged a double double his last season at Pitt. Now the strongest guy on the team is averaging 4.4 boards a game?

But Randolph is the biggest enigma. Looked like a future NBAer in the out of conference schedule. Very quick first step and could finish.

He was never a great shooter, but was decent.

Looking at his 3 point stats, for 2019 BR is 5 for 23 since February.

Coleman has a Westbrook mindset in a PJC body. He forces the action, but that only goes so well when you're that small.

Luther's per 40 rebounding was between 5 and 8 rpg prior to last year. In a small sample size it jumped to 12.4 per 40 in 10 games. This year, he regressed to the mean.

Randolph...he has an NBA body and skill level, and his decision making is nonexistent. It's frustrating to watch because he seems incapable of getting a simple shot. No one defaults to high degree of difficulty shots more than he does. Getting simple looks to score is an underrated aspect of basketball IQ.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:11 pm

Alieberman wrote:I really miss the Josiah Turner days.

he sucked too

KillerKlown · Post by **KillerKlown** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:17 pm

On and off the court.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:59 pm

How about: I really miss the Nic Wise days.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:34 pm

KillerKlown wrote:On and off the court.

yes and Cartwright was a good student and nice guy, maybe Coleman is as well i dont know.

Turner was has 'em all covered off the floor.

Beachcat97 wrote:How about: I really miss the Nic Wise days.

as for Nic Wise, he had his moments both good and bad, and given that i would take him in a hot second of the aforementioned trio.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:34 pm

First time in 36 years we didn't get a player on the PAC-12 all conference team.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:37 pm

no shock

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:38 pm

azgreg wrote:First time in 36 years we didn't get a player on the PAC-12 all conference team.

Jeter and/or BWill might have had a shot if they had stayed healthy.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:51 pm

97cats wrote:
KillerKlown wrote:On and off the court.
yes and Cartwright was a good student and nice guy, maybe Coleman is as well i dont know.

Turner was has 'em all covered off the floor.

For the record, Justin Coleman is a very nice person. Ira Lee is especially so. Brandon Randolph is eternally tuned out, in an almost blissful way, and I'm glad cars stop for him because he doesn't look both ways, or either way, really. Dylan Smith is funny.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:00 pm

w/out question, Randolph does not look both ways

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:24 pm

Where is Will Bynum when you need him?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:35 pm

Sure were a lot of short little shits playing PG for the UA over the years.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:36 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:
azgreg wrote:First time in 36 years we didn't get a player on the PAC-12 all conference team.

Jeter and/or BWill might have had a shot if they had stayed healthy.

Yes, and their health issues changed our season.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:48 pm

BDub did get honorable mention for the freshman team.

No centers made the top 15 players. Only center is on all frosh team.

https://pac-12.com/article/2019/03/10/p ... ence-teams" target="_blank

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:20 pm

97cats wrote:w/out question, Randolph does not look both ways

He might look both ways, but he probably still winds up trying something ill advised with 20 seconds left on the flashing hand.

MC1983 · Post by **MC1983** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:16 pm

Miller has struggled with the pg spot. In the 10 years TJ has really only been the one that panned out. Momo Jones I think was a combo guard but was better than PJC and Colman.

No more PG’s under six foot anymore

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:06 pm

We almost had Tyler Dorsey, who ended up being very good.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:08 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:We almost had Tyler Dorsey, who ended up being very good.

Not a PG

RiseAndFire · Post by **RiseAndFire** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:47 am

azgreg wrote:First time in 36 years we didn't get a player on the PAC-12 all conference team.

Another record low

The reality is most of Millers players who won awards started out as 5-stars and would have made it if a labrador was their head coach.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:30 am

RiseAndFire wrote:
azgreg wrote:First time in 36 years we didn't get a player on the PAC-12 all conference team.
Another record low

The reality is most of Millers players who won awards started out as 5-stars and would have made it if a labrador was their head coach.

Hey, let's leave your wife out of this, we all agreed no personal stuff shared on this forum ok?

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:38 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
RiseAndFire wrote:
azgreg wrote:First time in 36 years we didn't get a player on the PAC-12 all conference team.
Another record low

The reality is most of Millers players who won awards started out as 5-stars and would have made it if a labrador was their head coach.
Hey, let's leave your wife out of this, we all agreed no personal stuff shared on this forum ok?

If he wants to bring up his own home grown puppy mill and his prized bitch it's all on him.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:59 am

If Arizona doesn't win the conference tourney, I think it's best to fully enjoy March Madness like the vast majority of America -- without all that investment of worrying about my team meeting my hopes for a deep run. And really savor it, because it's probably my last chance to have this experience in a long time.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:47 am

MC1983 wrote:Miller has struggled with the pg spot. In the 10 years TJ has really only been the one that panned out. Momo Jones I think was a combo guard but was better than PJC and Colman.

No more PG’s under six foot anymore

We don't have to look too far in the future to see the answer.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:49 am

Longhorned wrote:If Arizona doesn't win the conference tourney, I think it's best to fully enjoy March Madness like the vast majority of America -- without all that investment of worrying about my team meeting my hopes for a deep run. And really savor it, because it's probably my last chance to have this experience in a long time.

agree - thats my exact approach this year

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