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Bilas called into a rival's network. He knew the audience and was playing to them. He knows better and you need actual proof of a payment.
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head in the sand perfectly describes Duke alum and/or supporters who don’t think there is already a stream of the same activity transpiring in Durham
further, ignoring proof is not only stupid it’s a bad business plan
further, ignoring proof is not only stupid it’s a bad business plan
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That's what's nuts about it. If you don't need proof, just logic, logic pretty well dictates Duke players are paid.97cats wrote:head in the sand perfectly describes Duke alum and/or supporters who don’t think there is already a stream of the same activity transpiring in Durham
further, ignoring proof is not only stupid it’s a bad business plan
Dawkins stated Duke has money men. Duke recruits players for whom there are known monetary and benefits offers. Duke lands those same kids. If we don't need proof...
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Pretty obvious that Bilas got his Law Degree from a school rooted in the Napoleonic Code rather than English Common Law. Didn't realize there were any of those in the United States.
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97cats wrote:head in the sand perfectly describes Duke alum and/or supporters who don’t think there is already a stream of the same activity transpiring in Durham
further, ignoring proof is not only stupid it’s a bad business plan
Change Duke to Kansas and Durham to Lawrence and you just described enfuego.
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and even if the teller let it go for the local coach, that stuff gets flagged behind the scenes. CTRs, suspicious activities reports.TheCat wrote:As I have stated from the beginning. FOLLOW THE F'N MONEY. So Sean paid Ayton $10K per mo? If your not an idiot you can check this out easily. Banks are required to inform you of any forms the IRS needs when you are making any qualifying transactions. If you make a cash or check deposit or PAYMENT of $10,000.00 or more in one transaction, then the bank must make you fill out and file IRS form 8300. Well did the bank report 12 transactions from Sean of $10K or more.
If Sean was smart and he made 5 pmts of $2K each that has to be reported by the bank also. Unless you believe Sean held $120K in cash at home then the banks helped.
Come on guys this is a slam dunk to check. I will bet you U of A's lawyers checked before they ever let Sean deny in public. They looked at all his bank records, phone records, listened to the FBI wiretaps and what they said was let him deny it on camera with the U of A's backing.
But more to the ridiculousness of that...if Miller was paying Ayton, he wasn't the first, and definitely wouldn't be the last. Every major recruit would have wanted or would want the deal. Miller makes good money, but not that level money. Ayton was the #1 or 2 recruit in the land, but no one knew he was the #1 pick on lock. He was raw, some questions of motor existed. Sean would have had to pay that level for a few of the players we have. That adds up after a while, no?
That "Miller paid Ayton 10K a month out of his own pocket" might be the most absurd part of this whole thing.
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This is misleading and unhelpful. The article makes it sound like Bilas has been a staunch defender of Miller, but that the amount of damning information that came from the current trial finally swayed him. It presents the image of an ally who can no longer continue to defend the coach, buttressing the idea that only irrational people can continue to ignore such overwhelming evidence.HiCat wrote:Jay Bilas - hmmm
By Kevin Zimmerman | May 3, 2019 at 9:28 am
UPDATED: May 3, 2019 at 10:41 am
Jay Bilas was among the first defenders of Arizona Wildcats head coach Sean Miller when his program was first dragged into the FBI investigation of college basketball corruption.
In reality, Bilas called for Miller's head as soon as Schlabach reported the fake recording, and the only thing he's been defending for the past 14 months is ESPN's reporting on that story, which no rational person can continue to believe after the recording has never turned up in any form, and all available evidence contradicts it.
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Serious question about this. Why has no one thought or mentioned this anywhere?
We have heard that Ayton had three payment sources in court. None of which are a shoe company. Was he getting paid by all of them? Or is it proof to reasonable thinkers like me that there are stories people told just to tell?
We have heard all three
1-Miller fronted money he expected Dawkins to pay him back for
2-Miller paid Ayton 10k a month out of his pocket
3-Miller asked Dakwins for 100k to secure the commitment of Ayton 9 months after Ayton actually committed and when Ayton was on campus already.
How is no one in the media mentioning this?
We have heard that Ayton had three payment sources in court. None of which are a shoe company. Was he getting paid by all of them? Or is it proof to reasonable thinkers like me that there are stories people told just to tell?
We have heard all three
1-Miller fronted money he expected Dawkins to pay him back for
2-Miller paid Ayton 10k a month out of his pocket
3-Miller asked Dakwins for 100k to secure the commitment of Ayton 9 months after Ayton actually committed and when Ayton was on campus already.
How is no one in the media mentioning this?
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I think a lot of the use of “commitment’ is referring to committing to Dawkins’ company, not to a school.
Not just in the wiretap referencing Miller, but in this whole thing.
I think a lot of media don’t realize what this trial is about. I keep hearing “pay for play”.
This was about “pay to become my client”.
Dawkins has said he wanted to get in good at AZ because they produced a lot of NBA talent. He wasn’t concerned about the talent going to AZ, it was already going to AZ. He wants asst coaches who have access to the talent so they can steer thos kids to his company after college.
Hence the comment that ASU was not worth much effort.
Not just in the wiretap referencing Miller, but in this whole thing.
I think a lot of media don’t realize what this trial is about. I keep hearing “pay for play”.
This was about “pay to become my client”.
Dawkins has said he wanted to get in good at AZ because they produced a lot of NBA talent. He wasn’t concerned about the talent going to AZ, it was already going to AZ. He wants asst coaches who have access to the talent so they can steer thos kids to his company after college.
Hence the comment that ASU was not worth much effort.
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That was the basic theory of the case from the prosecution. This was about Dawkins bribing public officials (coaches) for access to players.Postmaster wrote:I think a lot of the use of “commitment’ is referring to committing to Dawkins’ company, not to a school.
Not just in the wiretap referencing Miller, but in this whole thing.
I think a lot of media don’t realize what this trial is about. I keep hearing “pay for play”.
This was about “pay to become my client”.
Dawkins has said he wanted to get in good at AZ because they produced a lot of NBA talent. He wasn’t concerned about the talent going to AZ, it was already going to AZ. He wants asst coaches who have access to the talent so they can steer thos kids to his company after college.
Hence the comment that ASU was not worth much effort.
Trial 1 was the separate scheme to route money to players. That's a major reason there were two trials. The testimony in trial 1 had the stuff about Adidas paying for Kansas players. This time, it was about Dawkins's attempt to buy access to players.
It's part of the frustrating aspect, that the more direct questions in trial 1 seem forgotten. Trial 2, where payments to players are collateral, everyone wants to focus on us and ignore all that happened in trial 1.
I take some solace from this, though. Evidence at trial is done. That's as close to closing the book on more facts arising about Arizona or Miller as you get.
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Longhorned wrote:This is misleading and unhelpful. The article makes it sound like Bilas has been a staunch defender of Miller, but that the amount of damning information that came from the current trial finally swayed him. It presents the image of an ally who can no longer continue to defend the coach, buttressing the idea that only irrational people can continue to ignore such overwhelming evidence.HiCat wrote:Jay Bilas - hmmm
By Kevin Zimmerman | May 3, 2019 at 9:28 am
UPDATED: May 3, 2019 at 10:41 am
Jay Bilas was among the first defenders of Arizona Wildcats head coach Sean Miller when his program was first dragged into the FBI investigation of college basketball corruption.
In reality, Bilas called for Miller's head as soon as Schlabach reported the fake recording, and the only thing he's been defending for the past 14 months is ESPN's reporting on that story, which no rational person can continue to believe after the recording has never turned up in any form, and all available evidence contradicts it.
Yep..Bilas 2018
ESPN's Jay Bilas says his opinion of Sean Miller changed following colleague's explosive report
By Bruce Pascoe Arizona Daily Star Mar 2, 2018
But Bilas, a lawyer who is also a frequent critic of the NCAA, says he’s changed his opinion of Miller. In an interview with the Star on Thursday, after Miller denied ESPN’s report, Bilas explained why:
What did you make of (Miller’s statement Thursday)?
A: “I watched the press event where Sean made his prepared statement and I was very interested to see it. My first reactions was: Why was that statement not made on Saturday? But I trust the reporting of Mark Schlabach.”
https://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildca ... b2d4c.html" target="_blank
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Ayton showed up to Tucson in late June. If he finished his last class that would have been about 11 months. $10K/month...HmmmTheGreatCatsby wrote:in which Miller discussed paying $100,000 to ensure star freshman Deandre Ayton signed with the Wildcats
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I have to be honest, I doubt Ayton was in Tucson much longer than it took to get back from Boise.Jefe wrote:Ayton showed up to Tucson in late June. If he finished his last class that would have been about 11 months. $10K/month...HmmmTheGreatCatsby wrote:in which Miller discussed paying $100,000 to ensure star freshman Deandre Ayton signed with the Wildcats
Edit: and if that's an allegation, that would fit with Dawkins bribing Miller, and Dawkins was definitely not charged with that.
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What's Next for Sean Miller, Arizona After the Final Week of the College Basketball Corruption Trial?
There is a ton in the article. Including Miller's rep to keep detailed communication logs. Worth a read.
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2 ... l-takeways" target="_blankArizona will also weigh the circumstances of the recording. Neither Dawkins nor Richardson was speaking under oath. It’s also possible that the two men were trying to impress one another. Perhaps they lied or exaggerated as a result. Each had an incentive to portray himself as influential and close to Miller. Sometimes that type of situation can lead one to engage in hyperbole and puffery.
Further, Dawkins admits that he never paid Miller. This is an important point: the person who allegedly masterminded bribes to coaches didn’t pay the coach at issue—Miller.
Arizona will also take stock in the fact that, despite media reporting in 2018 that Miller was caught on a wiretap discussing paying $100,000 to Ayton, no such recording has been played in either trial nor referenced in any government pleading. The only recording that allegedly links Miller to illicit payments is the aforementioned conversation between Dawkins and Richardson. If a recording of Miller exists, it likely would have surfaced by now.
Further, Arizona has conducted multiple investigations into Richardson accepting bribes and has yet to uncover any evidence that Miller partook in any bribes. Investigators have included former federal prosecutors and seasoned criminal defense attorneys. University investigations involved numerous interviews with Miller and other officials from the Wildcats athletic department as well as multi-hour interviews with every player and their family members. Similarly, university investigators have reviewed numerous emails, bank statements and other electronic correspondences. To date, the university has only found that Richardson engaged in bribes and that Richardson acted alone.
Arizona is also mindful that the United States Justice Department has closely scrutinized the evidence, as well as interviewed numerous witnesses. To date, the Justice Department has only brought charges against one Arizona coach: Richardson. The Justice Department would have no reluctance to seek charges against Miller if it believed that Miller was involved. In fact, the Justice Department would probably prefer to charge Miller given that he would be a far more noteworthy defendant than (yet another) assistant coach.
There is a ton in the article. Including Miller's rep to keep detailed communication logs. Worth a read.
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Now that is a sober, reasonable article.
Edit: and written by an actual lawyer. Heavens.
Edit: and written by an actual lawyer. Heavens.
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A thousand copies of this article should be printed and air dropped on Hansen, EsPN and every other hack who chose sensationalism over journalism.who
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It's okay. But it doesn't have enough of that whiny, accusatory, and self-righteous tone. Also, it lacks creativity in the way it looks at evidence; I prefer when an author liberates his judgments and conclusions from the specifics of that evidence. These limitations result from a basic flaw in the piece: It doesn't begin from the standpoint of a call to fire Miller.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Now that is a sober, reasonable article.
Edit: and written by an actual lawyer. Heavens.
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I have to implore all of you to read this article and share it. Every article, comment, and quip about Miller’s alleged involvement should be judged against this skilled and sober analysis of the evidence against him and how lacking it is (especially in light of such a depth of investigation).Gilbertcat wrote:What's Next for Sean Miller, Arizona After the Final Week of the College Basketball Corruption Trial?
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2 ... l-takeways" target="_blankArizona will also weigh the circumstances of the recording. Neither Dawkins nor Richardson was speaking under oath. It’s also possible that the two men were trying to impress one another. Perhaps they lied or exaggerated as a result. Each had an incentive to portray himself as influential and close to Miller. Sometimes that type of situation can lead one to engage in hyperbole and puffery.
Further, Dawkins admits that he never paid Miller. This is an important point: the person who allegedly masterminded bribes to coaches didn’t pay the coach at issue—Miller.
Arizona will also take stock in the fact that, despite media reporting in 2018 that Miller was caught on a wiretap discussing paying $100,000 to Ayton, no such recording has been played in either trial nor referenced in any government pleading. The only recording that allegedly links Miller to illicit payments is the aforementioned conversation between Dawkins and Richardson. If a recording of Miller exists, it likely would have surfaced by now.
Further, Arizona has conducted multiple investigations into Richardson accepting bribes and has yet to uncover any evidence that Miller partook in any bribes. Investigators have included former federal prosecutors and seasoned criminal defense attorneys. University investigations involved numerous interviews with Miller and other officials from the Wildcats athletic department as well as multi-hour interviews with every player and their family members. Similarly, university investigators have reviewed numerous emails, bank statements and other electronic correspondences. To date, the university has only found that Richardson engaged in bribes and that Richardson acted alone.
Arizona is also mindful that the United States Justice Department has closely scrutinized the evidence, as well as interviewed numerous witnesses. To date, the Justice Department has only brought charges against one Arizona coach: Richardson. The Justice Department would have no reluctance to seek charges against Miller if it believed that Miller was involved. In fact, the Justice Department would probably prefer to charge Miller given that he would be a far more noteworthy defendant than (yet another) assistant coach.
There is a ton in the article. Including Miller's rep to keep detailed communication logs. Worth a read.
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That is a long article by SI but really good and in depth. I'm convinced that nothing is going to happen to CSM except in public opinion.
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Best and most accurate article ever written on this particular subject and hands down spot on advice for UA/ABOR/and even Miller himself...Gilbertcat wrote:What's Next for Sean Miller, Arizona After the Final Week of the College Basketball Corruption Trial?
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2 ... l-takeways" target="_blankArizona will also weigh the circumstances of the recording. Neither Dawkins nor Richardson was speaking under oath. It’s also possible that the two men were trying to impress one another. Perhaps they lied or exaggerated as a result. Each had an incentive to portray himself as influential and close to Miller. Sometimes that type of situation can lead one to engage in hyperbole and puffery.
Further, Dawkins admits that he never paid Miller. This is an important point: the person who allegedly masterminded bribes to coaches didn’t pay the coach at issue—Miller.
Arizona will also take stock in the fact that, despite media reporting in 2018 that Miller was caught on a wiretap discussing paying $100,000 to Ayton, no such recording has been played in either trial nor referenced in any government pleading. The only recording that allegedly links Miller to illicit payments is the aforementioned conversation between Dawkins and Richardson. If a recording of Miller exists, it likely would have surfaced by now.
Further, Arizona has conducted multiple investigations into Richardson accepting bribes and has yet to uncover any evidence that Miller partook in any bribes. Investigators have included former federal prosecutors and seasoned criminal defense attorneys. University investigations involved numerous interviews with Miller and other officials from the Wildcats athletic department as well as multi-hour interviews with every player and their family members. Similarly, university investigators have reviewed numerous emails, bank statements and other electronic correspondences. To date, the university has only found that Richardson engaged in bribes and that Richardson acted alone.
Arizona is also mindful that the United States Justice Department has closely scrutinized the evidence, as well as interviewed numerous witnesses. To date, the Justice Department has only brought charges against one Arizona coach: Richardson. The Justice Department would have no reluctance to seek charges against Miller if it believed that Miller was involved. In fact, the Justice Department would probably prefer to charge Miller given that he would be a far more noteworthy defendant than (yet another) assistant coach.
There is a ton in the article. Including Miller's rep to keep detailed communication logs. Worth a read.
I've never believed for an instant that Miller has been cheating the system, thats not " the Philly tough/TJ McConnell" kind of way he was raised...Book cheating I can believe, Dawkins cheating has already been proved, its like that first century Jewish Rabbi said "You'll know a tree by its fruit"...the thing is tree's are the products of OTHER tress and fruit take a long time to develop...
Millers personal history, his family influence, his upbringing, his dad even his brother all speak towards blue collar do it right by the book, toughen up "others-may-cheat-but-Millers-don't-do-that-shit" kind of persona...
I get that there is some sort of acceptance that players are getting paid (even this article alluded to it AS A FACT/but again citing no evidence for this commonly held belief...some mother-fucker-somewhere provide me some goddam evidence players have been getting paid a LOT for any amount of time...I'm still fucking waiting for even ONE actual significant case with evidence...just one)...but that scenario seems in conflict with the kind of family history and narrative that Miller substantially has demonstrated...
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it might be a duck, but not if its growling like a Jaguar and climbing trees.
I'm pretty sure Millers don't play that game.
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Curious if it truly is an investigation or just riding the FBIs coattailsazgreg wrote:
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Doesn't really matter regardless it is a GOOD thing...bring it.Frybry02 wrote:Curious if it truly is an investigation or just riding the FBIs coattailsazgreg wrote:
Lets get this shit over with and move on...my gut feeling is the investigation started a year ago and has never stopped, it has only been "paused" at times...
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That’s the definition of old news.
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We knew about this ages ago. But reporting it now can potentially raise public appetite to bring the hammer down on Miller. If time is running out on the legs of the court proceedings, which revealed nothing, what else is a desperate reporter to do? You work with what you have, and if you have nothing, you make the familiar seem ill boding.
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Anyone want to take a guess on how long this will take before the NCAA reveals anything? I forgot how long it took them to investigate the North Carolina scandal.
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14 monthsIrish27 wrote:Anyone want to take a guess on how long this will take before the NCAA reveals anything?
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
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"Arizona got uppercutted out of the 2018 tournament by No. 13 Buffalo, which delivered one of the most overwhelming, lopsided upsets by a double-digit seed in tournament history (89-68). "
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Even that is probably very generous.Chicat wrote:14 monthsIrish27 wrote:Anyone want to take a guess on how long this will take before the NCAA reveals anything?
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CatFanOneMil wrote:Best and most accurate article ever written on this particular subject and hands down spot on advice for UA/ABOR/and even Miller himself...Gilbertcat wrote:What's Next for Sean Miller, Arizona After the Final Week of the College Basketball Corruption Trial?
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2 ... l-takeways" target="_blankArizona will also weigh the circumstances of the recording. Neither Dawkins nor Richardson was speaking under oath. It’s also possible that the two men were trying to impress one another. Perhaps they lied or exaggerated as a result. Each had an incentive to portray himself as influential and close to Miller. Sometimes that type of situation can lead one to engage in hyperbole and puffery.
Further, Dawkins admits that he never paid Miller. This is an important point: the person who allegedly masterminded bribes to coaches didn’t pay the coach at issue—Miller.
Arizona will also take stock in the fact that, despite media reporting in 2018 that Miller was caught on a wiretap discussing paying $100,000 to Ayton, no such recording has been played in either trial nor referenced in any government pleading. The only recording that allegedly links Miller to illicit payments is the aforementioned conversation between Dawkins and Richardson. If a recording of Miller exists, it likely would have surfaced by now.
Further, Arizona has conducted multiple investigations into Richardson accepting bribes and has yet to uncover any evidence that Miller partook in any bribes. Investigators have included former federal prosecutors and seasoned criminal defense attorneys. University investigations involved numerous interviews with Miller and other officials from the Wildcats athletic department as well as multi-hour interviews with every player and their family members. Similarly, university investigators have reviewed numerous emails, bank statements and other electronic correspondences. To date, the university has only found that Richardson engaged in bribes and that Richardson acted alone.
Arizona is also mindful that the United States Justice Department has closely scrutinized the evidence, as well as interviewed numerous witnesses. To date, the Justice Department has only brought charges against one Arizona coach: Richardson. The Justice Department would have no reluctance to seek charges against Miller if it believed that Miller was involved. In fact, the Justice Department would probably prefer to charge Miller given that he would be a far more noteworthy defendant than (yet another) assistant coach.
There is a ton in the article. Including Miller's rep to keep detailed communication logs. Worth a read.
I've never believed for an instant that Miller has been cheating the system, thats not " the Philly tough/TJ McConnell" kind of way he was raised...Book cheating I can believe, Dawkins cheating has already been proved, its like that first century Jewish Rabbi said "You'll know a tree by its fruit"...the thing is tree's are the products of OTHER tress and fruit take a long time to develop...
Millers personal history, his family influence, his upbringing, his dad even his brother all speak towards blue collar do it right by the book, toughen up "others-may-cheat-but-Millers-don't-do-that-shit" kind of persona...
I get that there is some sort of acceptance that players are getting paid (even this article alluded to it AS A FACT/but again citing no evidence for this commonly held belief...some mother-fucker-somewhere provide me some goddam evidence players have been getting paid a LOT for any amount of time...I'm still fucking waiting for even ONE actual significant case with evidence...just one)...but that scenario seems in conflict with the kind of family history and narrative that Miller substantially has demonstrated...
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it might be a duck, but not if its growling like a Jaguar and climbing trees.
I'm pretty sure Millers don't play that game.
"Arizona got uppercutted out of the 2018 tournament by No. 13 Buffalo, which delivered one of the most overwhelming, lopsided upsets by a double-digit seed in tournament history (89-68). "
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First of all anyone quoting Adam Zagora is lazy...second the head coach being responsible for assistant coaches behavior has a limited LEGAL application...there is a point where NO head coach could possibly be penalized for stuff his subordinates do...if Book was smoking crack and held up a circle K no way in hell the NCAA can LEGALLY hold Miller responsible, no penalties or anything...its clear to me you are dumber than Rise and Swallow so you're going on the block list.enfuego wrote:CatFanOneMil wrote:Best and most accurate article ever written on this particular subject and hands down spot on advice for UA/ABOR/and even Miller himself...Gilbertcat wrote:What's Next for Sean Miller, Arizona After the Final Week of the College Basketball Corruption Trial?
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2 ... l-takeways" target="_blankArizona will also weigh the circumstances of the recording. Neither Dawkins nor Richardson was speaking under oath. It’s also possible that the two men were trying to impress one another. Perhaps they lied or exaggerated as a result. Each had an incentive to portray himself as influential and close to Miller. Sometimes that type of situation can lead one to engage in hyperbole and puffery.
Further, Dawkins admits that he never paid Miller. This is an important point: the person who allegedly masterminded bribes to coaches didn’t pay the coach at issue—Miller.
Arizona will also take stock in the fact that, despite media reporting in 2018 that Miller was caught on a wiretap discussing paying $100,000 to Ayton, no such recording has been played in either trial nor referenced in any government pleading. The only recording that allegedly links Miller to illicit payments is the aforementioned conversation between Dawkins and Richardson. If a recording of Miller exists, it likely would have surfaced by now.
Further, Arizona has conducted multiple investigations into Richardson accepting bribes and has yet to uncover any evidence that Miller partook in any bribes. Investigators have included former federal prosecutors and seasoned criminal defense attorneys. University investigations involved numerous interviews with Miller and other officials from the Wildcats athletic department as well as multi-hour interviews with every player and their family members. Similarly, university investigators have reviewed numerous emails, bank statements and other electronic correspondences. To date, the university has only found that Richardson engaged in bribes and that Richardson acted alone.
Arizona is also mindful that the United States Justice Department has closely scrutinized the evidence, as well as interviewed numerous witnesses. To date, the Justice Department has only brought charges against one Arizona coach: Richardson. The Justice Department would have no reluctance to seek charges against Miller if it believed that Miller was involved. In fact, the Justice Department would probably prefer to charge Miller given that he would be a far more noteworthy defendant than (yet another) assistant coach.
There is a ton in the article. Including Miller's rep to keep detailed communication logs. Worth a read.
I've never believed for an instant that Miller has been cheating the system, thats not " the Philly tough/TJ McConnell" kind of way he was raised...Book cheating I can believe, Dawkins cheating has already been proved, its like that first century Jewish Rabbi said "You'll know a tree by its fruit"...the thing is tree's are the products of OTHER tress and fruit take a long time to develop...
Millers personal history, his family influence, his upbringing, his dad even his brother all speak towards blue collar do it right by the book, toughen up "others-may-cheat-but-Millers-don't-do-that-shit" kind of persona...
I get that there is some sort of acceptance that players are getting paid (even this article alluded to it AS A FACT/but again citing no evidence for this commonly held belief...some mother-fucker-somewhere provide me some goddam evidence players have been getting paid a LOT for any amount of time...I'm still fucking waiting for even ONE actual significant case with evidence...just one)...but that scenario seems in conflict with the kind of family history and narrative that Miller substantially has demonstrated...
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it might be a duck, but not if its growling like a Jaguar and climbing trees.
I'm pretty sure Millers don't play that game.
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Fuck Adam Zagoria
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This woman on ESPN RADIO is talking about a federal judge ruling that current student athlete system is illegal.
She thinks players should be paid.
“Not sure if Ayton should have gotten more or less”
Actually paraphrasing her not direct quote.
But again, another ESPN / media person considering it fact.
She thinks players should be paid.
“Not sure if Ayton should have gotten more or less”
Actually paraphrasing her not direct quote.
But again, another ESPN / media person considering it fact.
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Michael McCann is the best non-Arizona Wildcat voice on the topic. He’s been reasonable and fact-driven since day 1, when Sports Illustrated and him piggybacked and confirmed 24-7 Sports report that refuted ESPN.
As a Lawyer he has long said absent corroborating proof, accusations from convicts or via unproven hearsay leaks are not evidence and not worthy of acting upon.
As a Lawyer he has long said absent corroborating proof, accusations from convicts or via unproven hearsay leaks are not evidence and not worthy of acting upon.
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Jason Scheer wrote an article on the entire bylaw.enfuego wrote:CatFanOneMil wrote:Best and most accurate article ever written on this particular subject and hands down spot on advice for UA/ABOR/and even Miller himself...Gilbertcat wrote:What's Next for Sean Miller, Arizona After the Final Week of the College Basketball Corruption Trial?
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2 ... l-takeways" target="_blankArizona will also weigh the circumstances of the recording. Neither Dawkins nor Richardson was speaking under oath. It’s also possible that the two men were trying to impress one another. Perhaps they lied or exaggerated as a result. Each had an incentive to portray himself as influential and close to Miller. Sometimes that type of situation can lead one to engage in hyperbole and puffery.
Further, Dawkins admits that he never paid Miller. This is an important point: the person who allegedly masterminded bribes to coaches didn’t pay the coach at issue—Miller.
Arizona will also take stock in the fact that, despite media reporting in 2018 that Miller was caught on a wiretap discussing paying $100,000 to Ayton, no such recording has been played in either trial nor referenced in any government pleading. The only recording that allegedly links Miller to illicit payments is the aforementioned conversation between Dawkins and Richardson. If a recording of Miller exists, it likely would have surfaced by now.
Further, Arizona has conducted multiple investigations into Richardson accepting bribes and has yet to uncover any evidence that Miller partook in any bribes. Investigators have included former federal prosecutors and seasoned criminal defense attorneys. University investigations involved numerous interviews with Miller and other officials from the Wildcats athletic department as well as multi-hour interviews with every player and their family members. Similarly, university investigators have reviewed numerous emails, bank statements and other electronic correspondences. To date, the university has only found that Richardson engaged in bribes and that Richardson acted alone.
Arizona is also mindful that the United States Justice Department has closely scrutinized the evidence, as well as interviewed numerous witnesses. To date, the Justice Department has only brought charges against one Arizona coach: Richardson. The Justice Department would have no reluctance to seek charges against Miller if it believed that Miller was involved. In fact, the Justice Department would probably prefer to charge Miller given that he would be a far more noteworthy defendant than (yet another) assistant coach.
There is a ton in the article. Including Miller's rep to keep detailed communication logs. Worth a read.
I've never believed for an instant that Miller has been cheating the system, thats not " the Philly tough/TJ McConnell" kind of way he was raised...Book cheating I can believe, Dawkins cheating has already been proved, its like that first century Jewish Rabbi said "You'll know a tree by its fruit"...the thing is tree's are the products of OTHER tress and fruit take a long time to develop...
Millers personal history, his family influence, his upbringing, his dad even his brother all speak towards blue collar do it right by the book, toughen up "others-may-cheat-but-Millers-don't-do-that-shit" kind of persona...
I get that there is some sort of acceptance that players are getting paid (even this article alluded to it AS A FACT/but again citing no evidence for this commonly held belief...some mother-fucker-somewhere provide me some goddam evidence players have been getting paid a LOT for any amount of time...I'm still fucking waiting for even ONE actual significant case with evidence...just one)...but that scenario seems in conflict with the kind of family history and narrative that Miller substantially has demonstrated...
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it might be a duck, but not if its growling like a Jaguar and climbing trees.
I'm pretty sure Millers don't play that game.
Effectively while Coaches are responsible for their assistants, the Lack Of Institutional Control is a bylaw created to punish folks who fail to be diligent with compliance and regulatory processes.
Arizona is in good standing, as they consistently self-report in a timely fashion.
It is highly debatable whether this Book event qualifies, since there’s no proof Arizona ignored or covered up the event/violation.
Simplest breakdown, of the school reports compliance issues in a consistent and timely fashion, this bylaw doesn’t apply. It is to punish folks for avoiding compliance or hiding non-compliant actions.
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Why isn't enfuego banned? what does he bring to this forum besides pissing people off? does anyone want him here?
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If you want to propose a ban poll, that’s within your rights.Jwsisliving wrote:Why isn't enfuego banned? what does he bring to this forum besides pissing people off? does anyone want him here?
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For me at least, he’s a source of continuous merriment. In fact, he’s my only source of continuous merriment. Now would be about the worst time to ban him. In Bill Self, we have the unique circumstance of a head coach directly documented to have been in the money game for a player. You really want enfuego gone when that gets addressed? Of all the predictions that come back to bite him.... Don’t mess with my merriment. I vote nay in advance.Jwsisliving wrote:Why isn't enfuego banned? what does he bring to this forum besides pissing people off? does anyone want him here?
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All you guys have been spot on this whole deal, so what happens now with the NCAA. They find nothing more and Miller gets suspended for a few games?
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If enfuego’s usual Chicken Little pattern of running and hiding for 1-2 weeks after a KU loss holds true, when the NCAA announces they are looking into Bill Self paying players we won’t need to have a ban poll. Enfuego gonna self-deport.
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I have a friend here in NM who is a rabid KU fan, who keeps up with their chatter - he's confident that Self will be coaching the Spurs next season.... Just passin' it on.Chicat wrote:If enfuego’s usual Chicken Little pattern of running and hiding for 1-2 weeks after a KU loss holds true, when the NCAA announces they are looking into Bill Self paying players we won’t need to have a ban poll. Enfuego gonna self-deport.
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pc in NM wrote:I have a friend here in NM who is a rabid KU fan, who keeps up with their chatter - he's confident that Self will be coaching the Spurs next season.... Just passin' it on.Chicat wrote:If enfuego’s usual Chicken Little pattern of running and hiding for 1-2 weeks after a KU loss holds true, when the NCAA announces they are looking into Bill Self paying players we won’t need to have a ban poll. Enfuego gonna self-deport.
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Another day, another round of high profile media reports painting Miller as the shadiest coach in the country.
Anyone else wondering about how/whether this is impacting our ‘19 class? Is our coaching staff doing damage control?
And why is ESPN reporting that the NCAA has “launched” an investigation of our program? Hasn’t it been underway for a while? Is this Schlabach’s latest attempt to push the “Miller cheated and I knew first!” narrative?
Anyone else wondering about how/whether this is impacting our ‘19 class? Is our coaching staff doing damage control?
And why is ESPN reporting that the NCAA has “launched” an investigation of our program? Hasn’t it been underway for a while? Is this Schlabach’s latest attempt to push the “Miller cheated and I knew first!” narrative?
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Ignore him. He's a toilet bug, nothing more.Jwsisliving wrote:Why isn't enfuego banned? what does he bring to this forum besides pissing people off? does anyone want him here?
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Ok just a little thing, has anyone noticed that when Yahoo sports has a story about the trial their stock footage of Christian Dawkins is this dapper dude in a snazzy suit walking like a boss with cameras on him like he's going to the Emmy awards and Sean Miller is either yelling, kneeling and yelling, or sitting with his head down and hands on the back of his head.
Who the hell is the criminal? Who is already going to jail? Who is the one going to Federal PMITA prison?
Bunch a yahoos!
Who the hell is the criminal? Who is already going to jail? Who is the one going to Federal PMITA prison?
Bunch a yahoos!
Arizona State might have the most surprisingly anemic history in men's basketball of any program that you might think is better than it is.
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Yeah, that ship sailed and Self didn't make it.UAEebs86 wrote:pc in NM wrote:I have a friend here in NM who is a rabid KU fan, who keeps up with their chatter - he's confident that Self will be coaching the Spurs next season.... Just passin' it on.Chicat wrote:If enfuego’s usual Chicken Little pattern of running and hiding for 1-2 weeks after a KU loss holds true, when the NCAA announces they are looking into Bill Self paying players we won’t need to have a ban poll. Enfuego gonna self-deport.
As for entrollo, I suggest that once the investigation into Self begins we start a thread about it and the KU basketball scandal to which entrollo must post at least, say, once per day and once for every, say, 5 posts by non sub-human BDW posters or risk being banned. That way she must participate in her own community pelvic exam.
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Been in the eastern Sierra cut off from civilization ... NCAA now investigating agin?
It was all over the poduck small town radio on the drive back.
It was all over the poduck small town radio on the drive back.
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CalStateTempe wrote:Been in the eastern Sierra cut off from civilization ... NCAA now investigating agin?
It was all over the poduck small town radio on the drive back.
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The media's tactless, incompetent (maybe slanderous?) reporting on Miller/AZ is unlike anything I've seen in recent sports journalism.
Do Heeke and Robbins just have their heads buried in the sand? Or maybe their legal counsel has advised them to stay quiet and let things cool off?
Do Heeke and Robbins just have their heads buried in the sand? Or maybe their legal counsel has advised them to stay quiet and let things cool off?