Bribery Scandal - FBI Probe - Book Richardson Involved

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri May 10, 2019 5:50 pm

Irish27 wrote:

I don't understand Twitter and this scares me.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri May 10, 2019 5:53 pm

Irish27 wrote:

I remember when ESPN did that!

JMark- you should add that to your timeline!

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Fri May 10, 2019 6:18 pm

Alieberman wrote:
Irish27 wrote:
I remember when ESPN did that!

JMark- you should add that to your timeline!

It was added in comment.

JMarkJohns · Post by **JMarkJohns** » Fri May 10, 2019 6:19 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Irish27 wrote:
I don't understand Twitter and this scares me.

It happened the Saturday of Schlabach.

Clearly they’d been prepped for the “chance” and this dude felt he had the goods and went for it, likely with “make waves” blessings from ESPN.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri May 10, 2019 6:36 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

I don't understand Twitter and this scares me.

Time and date stamps are your friend

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Fri May 10, 2019 7:05 pm

CatFanOneMil · Post by **CatFanOneMil** » Fri May 10, 2019 8:05 pm

Irish27 wrote:

Now add Larry Scott...we might as well go all out.

IrishAzCat · Post by **IrishAzCat** » Sat May 11, 2019 7:30 am

CatFanOneMil wrote:Now add Larry Scott...we might as well go all out.

CatFanOneMil · Post by **CatFanOneMil** » Sat May 11, 2019 7:49 am

IrishAzCat wrote:
CatFanOneMil wrote:Now add Larry Scott...we might as well go all out.

You're too good at this I hope you get money for web development or tech service somewhere...

IrishAzCat · Post by **IrishAzCat** » Sat May 11, 2019 8:08 am

CatFanOneMil wrote:
IrishAzCat wrote:
CatFanOneMil wrote:Now add Larry Scott...we might as well go all out.

You're too good at this I hope you get money for web development or tech service somewhere...

Thanks - yes, I do a lot of tech and web development work...

I actually applied for a job a long time ago at the U of A in the sports video/graphics department and got denied. lol.

It's funny because I was making 3x the amount they were offering at the time, but it would have been cool to work with the football and basketball teams.

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Sat May 11, 2019 2:40 pm

IrishAzCat wrote:
CatFanOneMil wrote:
IrishAzCat wrote:
CatFanOneMil wrote:Now add Larry Scott...we might as well go all out.

You're too good at this I hope you get money for web development or tech service somewhere...
Thanks - yes, I do a lot of tech and web development work...

I actually applied for a job a long time ago at the U of A in the sports video/graphics department and got denied. lol.

It's funny because I was making 3x the amount they were offering at the time, but it would have been cool to work with the football and basketball teams.

Clearly you're over qualified for the job, but perhaps you could apply for the Athletic Director position.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat May 11, 2019 8:51 pm

I bet you could run the Pac-12 Network better than these bozos.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Mon May 13, 2019 10:54 am

Chicat wrote:I bet you could run the Pac-12 Network better than these bozos.

Chicat apparently an editor at the NY Post.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon May 13, 2019 11:06 am

So are we finally going to get a statement from Miller and UA today?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon May 13, 2019 11:09 am

PHXCATS wrote:So are we finally going to get a statement from Miller and UA today?

I would not hold your breath for something truly vindicating. As I was saying, being too positive can come off as thumbing your nose at the NCAA in a pending investigation.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon May 13, 2019 11:11 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:So are we finally going to get a statement from Miller and UA today?
I would not hold your breath for something truly vindicating. As I was saying, being too positive can come off as thumbing your nose at the NCAA in a pending investigation.

I am not looking for that. I just think we needed something last week and what we were told was that it was coming this week for some dumb reason

PennZona20 · Post by **PennZona20** » Mon May 13, 2019 2:56 pm

JMarkJohns wrote:
Chicat wrote:
JMarkJohns wrote:https://twitter.com/therealestjmark/sta ... 19520?s=21

Thanks. I spent 5 minutes trying to imbed and couldn’t. Screen came up blank.

And the above doesn’t at all make me look crazy. Nope. Totally sane!

You’re doing God’s work my man. Well done.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu May 16, 2019 9:00 am

1580 in Phoenix right now is claiming to have a source on the investigation. Said he is gonna talk about it right now at 9am

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu May 16, 2019 9:04 am

PHXCATS wrote:1580 in Phoenix right now is claiming to have a source on the investigation. Said he is gonna talk about it right now at 9am

You mean this guy? Real earth shattering news. The last tweet is a real doozy.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu May 16, 2019 9:09 am

Yeah he is clearly lying right now. Claims the athletic department is pissed about the drive back to Phoenix comment. Claims Arizona was surprised that Miller was on tap with Dawkins (clear lie).

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Thu May 16, 2019 9:10 am

The Phoenix media has always had a "firm" understanding of what's been going on.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu May 16, 2019 9:21 am

PHXCATS wrote:Yeah he is clearly lying right now. Claims the athletic department is pissed about the drive back to Phoenix comment. Claims Arizona was surprised that Miller was on tap with Dawkins (clear lie).

Arizona was unaware of the Book comment on the wiretap with Dawkins (so was Miller obviously). They were beyond aware of Miller's wiretap and what was on it. Maybe Heeke was upset about the drive back to Phoenix comment, but the U of A cares less for what Heeke thinks in this situation than a parent does hearing their child's review of how good a movie is.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu May 16, 2019 9:27 am

He claimed he broke news in November 2018 that Dawkins and Miller were on tap talking together. Um I am pretty sure we knew this in February 2018. But hey if he wants to take a victory lap on Man Landing on the Moon as well go for it big guy.

He also claims that Miller's press conference in March 2018 on his return will hurt him.

Finally he claims people in the Arizona administration are telling him they are concerned. Either a) he is clearly lying because no one would tell a media member that (and he said these guys are reaching out to him, 4 guys) or b) people are trying to throw Miller under the bus. I doubt even Heeke would do that right now

prh · Post by **prh** » Thu May 16, 2019 9:42 am

I bet Heeke is upset about the drive back to Phoenix comment. Everyone else loves it and hates Heeke, so go figure Heeke wouldn't like it.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu May 16, 2019 10:08 am

Big yawn . . . but I'm fairly positive Yahoo will have some crazy headline up on their site within the hour and ESPN will say that Miller is days away from being fired on the sportscenter crawl.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Thu May 16, 2019 10:51 am

PHXCATS wrote:Finally he claims people in the Arizona administration are telling him they are concerned.

You'd have to be dead, or at least braindead not to be.

Concerned? Aren't we all? But we believe what Miller has said regarding this issue.

If any among us isn't a little concerned, they really don't understand the gravity of the situation and what could happen with just one added element or even the NCAA deciding to play tough guy with the most aired name in this mess. We aren't on terra firma just yet.

I can totally believe a radio host who knows the guy who fixes the copiers, or maybe the SID intern, when they say people in the AD are concerned. But that kind of statement isn't coming from anyone above that.

MountainCat · Post by **MountainCat** » Thu May 16, 2019 10:53 am

The only way this would make sense is if word on the street is that Schlabach's wife is in Phoenix looking to buy some real estate.......

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu May 16, 2019 10:55 am

EVCat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:Finally he claims people in the Arizona administration are telling him they are concerned.
You'd have to be dead, or at least braindead not to be.

Concerned? Aren't we all? But we believe what Miller has said regarding this issue.

If any among us isn't a little concerned, they really don't understand the gravity of the situation and what could happen with just one added element or even the NCAA deciding to play tough guy with the most aired name in this mess. We aren't on terra firma just yet.

I can totally believe a radio host who knows the guy who fixes the copiers, or maybe the SID intern, when they say people in the AD are concerned. But that kind of statement isn't coming from anyone above that.

It is one thing to be concerned. It is completely another to tell a media member that you are concerned

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Thu May 16, 2019 12:43 pm

PHXCATS wrote:
EVCat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:Finally he claims people in the Arizona administration are telling him they are concerned.
You'd have to be dead, or at least braindead not to be.

Concerned? Aren't we all? But we believe what Miller has said regarding this issue.

If any among us isn't a little concerned, they really don't understand the gravity of the situation and what could happen with just one added element or even the NCAA deciding to play tough guy with the most aired name in this mess. We aren't on terra firma just yet.

I can totally believe a radio host who knows the guy who fixes the copiers, or maybe the SID intern, when they say people in the AD are concerned. But that kind of statement isn't coming from anyone above that.
It is one thing to be concerned. It is completely another to tell a media member that you are concerned

Exactly...which is why I doubt it came from anyone very high up the chain

midnightx · Post by **midnightx** » Thu May 16, 2019 2:10 pm

Granted, the NCAA is hoping to find a lack of institutional control on Miller's part so they can nail the program, but has there been any indication what the NCAA is going to do with Louisville or Kansas? Pitino was involved with offering a six figure payment to Bowen's father on behalf of the basketball program (his firing doesn't change the violation), and Bill Self acknowledged knowing about payments to potentially get Ayton to commit to Kansas. Those are far more serious than Miller's assistant making a side deal with Dawkins to try to steer AZ players to Dawkins' agency after leaving Arizona. If Arizona ultimately takes a hit for lack of institutional control, fine. But there were several other major programs part of this FBI investigation. Is USC's situation any different than Arizona's? Has the NCAA launched an investigation of USC's basketball program?

Again, if Arizona is guilty of a technicality and/or violation(s), then they should face a penalty -- BUT, Arizona should not be singled out here. The other programs involved should also take a hit, not just out of fairness, but because if the NCAA wants to adjudicate this basketball-wide scandal, all participants should be penalized.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Thu May 16, 2019 2:24 pm

A Phoenix sports talk guy who makes up shit about UofA to pander to his audience?

I feel shocked.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri May 17, 2019 5:19 am

midnightx wrote:Granted, the NCAA is hoping to find a lack of institutional control on Miller's part so they can nail the program

I don't think the NCAA is hoping for anything honestly. Any ruling they make will be scrutinized by the media. I don't think they're out to get the program or out to help the program either way.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Fri May 17, 2019 6:36 am

When the NCAA doesn't find a tape of Miller offering $100,000 for Ayton sewed under the carpet in Book's former office, then will ESPN apologize?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri May 17, 2019 8:19 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
midnightx wrote:Granted, the NCAA is hoping to find a lack of institutional control on Miller's part so they can nail the program
I don't think the NCAA is hoping for anything honestly. Any ruling they make will be scrutinized by the media. I don't think they're out to get the program or out to help the program either way.

Compared to ESPN, I feel safer with the NCAA. I honestly never thought I'd say I feel safer with the NCAA.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed May 22, 2019 2:52 pm

Books lawyer wants probation.

https://247sports.com/college/arizona/A ... 132198049/" target="_blank

"Undeniably Mr. Richardson accepted money from the government under the guise of steering athletes to Christian Dawkins’ fledgling sports management company but in doing so, the harm has been largely self-inflicted," the statement says.

"The two student athletes that Mr. Richardson was supposed to refer to Dawkins’ agency have never been suspended or ruled ineligible by the NCAA. Mr. Richardson never gave them the money and did not jeopardize their careers in basketball."

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed May 22, 2019 3:06 pm

Jefe wrote:Books lawyer wants probation.

https://247sports.com/college/arizona/A ... 132198049/" target="_blank

"Undeniably Mr. Richardson accepted money from the government under the guise of steering athletes to Christian Dawkins’ fledgling sports management company but in doing so, the harm has been largely self-inflicted," the statement says.

"The two student athletes that Mr. Richardson was supposed to refer to Dawkins’ agency have never been suspended or ruled ineligible by the NCAA. Mr. Richardson never gave them the money and did not jeopardize their careers in basketball."

It's not insane, given the other sentences.

The bolded part seems the most relevant to us Arizona fans.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed May 22, 2019 9:17 pm

Half sandwich

CatFanOneMil · Post by **CatFanOneMil** » Thu May 23, 2019 6:48 am

Longhorned wrote:Half sandwich

Half nothing-burger that ESPN and Dickie Pickle -V lost their shit over.

midnightx · Post by **midnightx** » Thu May 23, 2019 10:36 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Jefe wrote:Books lawyer wants probation.

https://247sports.com/college/arizona/A ... 132198049/" target="_blank

"Undeniably Mr. Richardson accepted money from the government under the guise of steering athletes to Christian Dawkins’ fledgling sports management company but in doing so, the harm has been largely self-inflicted," the statement says.

"The two student athletes that Mr. Richardson was supposed to refer to Dawkins’ agency have never been suspended or ruled ineligible by the NCAA. Mr. Richardson never gave them the money and did not jeopardize their careers in basketball."
It's not insane, given the other sentences.

The bolded part seems the most relevant to us Arizona fans.

It is potentially huge because if Book truly was working side deals solely for his own benefit, and he never gave money to players or recruits, the NCAA focus then largely becomes whether Miller paid Ayton, and if it cannot be proven, it is difficult to see how AZ gets hit hard by the NCAA.

Again, it will be interesting to see what the NCAA does with all of the other programs and coaches named in the FBI investigation and trials. What is going on with USC, Louisville and Kansas?

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Thu May 23, 2019 11:44 am

10.1 Unethical Conduct...look it up

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu May 23, 2019 11:55 am

97cats wrote:10.1 Unethical Conduct...look it up

Yup, the question is who gets hit for it and what exact penalty comes from it.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu May 23, 2019 12:00 pm

97cats wrote:10.1 Unethical Conduct...look it up

The "includes but is not limited to" in that rule makes it impossible to take anything meaningful from that rule.

We could always get it from the NCAA, but this from Book is the best case scenario for us. It positions us in the most advantageous place with the NCAA.

The "not limited to" language is a nice litigation tool if we want it. If this was a criminal statute, there's a challenge based a statute being void for vagueness. The NCAA has historically been sensitive to vagueness challenges in the enforcement area. PSU is the classic example. Covering up sexual abuse is pretty unethical, but PSU succeeded limiting their exposure with a jurisdiction/vagueness argument.

StickItInTheyFace · Post by **StickItInTheyFace** » Thu May 23, 2019 2:51 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
97cats wrote:10.1 Unethical Conduct...look it up
Yup, the question is who gets hit for it and what exact penalty comes from it.

Is the thought still that there shouldn't be any penalty in the upcoming season? It would be a real gutshot if we somehow missed out on seeing Mannion and Green in the tournament.

BibbysTowelDude · Post by **BibbysTowelDude** » Thu May 23, 2019 9:35 pm

There will be no post season ban.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Fri May 24, 2019 11:36 am

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Fri May 24, 2019 11:40 am

How fucked up is the NCAA that they banned the dude for two seasons and then when appealed, said "yeah you're right, half of that is appropriate." They're playing with people's lives here - the lives of kids! - and they're off by HALF?! If I was off by half in my business, not only would I be fired but people would consider an intervention - something would have to be seriously wrong to fuck up that badly.

I know none of this dumbfuckery from the NCAA is new, but I'll continue to be disgusted by their failures as if its the first time.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Fri May 24, 2019 1:33 pm

BibbysTowelDude wrote:There will be no post season ban.

I would agree...unless new information comes out, I think a post-season ban would be overly punitive. A short Miller suspension and a couple scholarship reduction is my expectation as of now.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri May 24, 2019 2:04 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:How fucked up is the NCAA that they banned the dude for two seasons and then when appealed, said "yeah you're right, half of that is appropriate." They're playing with people's lives here - the lives of kids! - and they're off by HALF?! If I was off by half in my business, not only would I be fired but people would consider an intervention - something would have to be seriously wrong to fuck up that badly.

I know none of this dumbfuckery from the NCAA is new, but I'll continue to be disgusted by their failures as if its the first time.

That's why I said it pays to be respectful but firm with the NCAA. Make them justify and own their judgments, and half the time they fold. It's partially because their judgments are frequently shaky.

We need to send a clear message that we won't be disrespectful, but we're not here to be walked over. If they give us a reasonable punishment, ok. If they try to escape goat us, we'll avail ourselves of appellate litigation options.

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Fri May 24, 2019 4:22 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:How fucked up is the NCAA that they banned the dude for two seasons and then when appealed, said "yeah you're right, half of that is appropriate." They're playing with people's lives here - the lives of kids! - and they're off by HALF?! If I was off by half in my business, not only would I be fired but people would consider an intervention - something would have to be seriously wrong to fuck up that badly.

I know none of this dumbfuckery from the NCAA is new, but I'll continue to be disgusted by their failures as if its the first time.
That's why I said it pays to be respectful but firm with the NCAA. Make them justify and own their judgments, and half the time they fold. It's partially because their judgments are frequently shaky.

We need to send a clear message that we won't be disrespectful, but we're not here to be walked over. If they give us a reasonable punishment, ok. If they try to escape goat us, we'll avail ourselves of appellate litigation options.

Hey spiff, your goat got out!

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Fri May 24, 2019 7:46 pm

He has been watching Canelo commercials

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