Bribery Scandal - FBI Probe - Book Richardson Involved

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:35 pm

84Cat wrote:
prh wrote:Just more fuel for the dump Heeke bandwagon

I think we need to let this completely play out before jumping to any conclusions.

This statement was from Phelps lawyer. Lawyers have a tendency to..........how shall I put this..........LIE.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:55 pm

So Phelps' lawyer is lying that there were never even any allegations made against his client?

Is that plausible under any circumstance in this case? Explain how.

No, Dave Heeke simply wanted Phelps out because Phelps didn't kiss enough AD ass, and Brent Blaylock still thinks that is reason enough. That Phelps can "just find another job"--a rationale for termination frankly just as boneheaded as Heeke.

Lawyers lie about many things. If they were doing so about this, there would be at least a hint of counter-evidence.

There isn't, and hasn't been. Dave Heeke just thought he could allow departmental politics to supersede due process. And that's dumb. Really dumb.

Siempre Verde · Post by **Siempre Verde** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:02 pm

catgrad97 wrote:So Phelps' lawyer is lying that there were never even any allegations made against his client?

Is that plausible under any circumstance in this case? Explain how.

No, Dave Heeke simply wanted Phelps out because Phelps didn't kiss enough AD ass, and Brent Blaylock still thinks that is reason enough. That Phelps can "just find another job"--a rationale for termination frankly just as boneheaded as Heeke.

Lawyers lie about many things. If they were doing so about this, there would be at least a hint of counter-evidence.

There isn't, and hasn't been. Dave Heeke just thought he could allow departmental politics to supersede due process. And that's dumb. Really dumb.

Funny. Dumb really dumb describes my opinion of Heeke.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:38 pm

Has Miller been arrested yet?

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:46 pm

azgreg wrote:Has Miller been arrested yet?

Its not looking good. Solid case against him:

Sean Miller was taken to the Santa Clarita Valley Sheriff’s Station and booked on murder charges.

https://www.dailynews.com/2015/06/16/so ... ta-valley/" target="_blank

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:49 pm

Taylor alert! Taylor alert in the thread! Everybody move to a secure area and wait for further instructions. Taylor alert!

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:52 pm

Gilbertcat wrote:
azgreg wrote:Has Miller been arrested yet?
Its not looking good. Solid case against him:

Sean Miller was taken to the Santa Clarita Valley Sheriff’s Station and booked on murder charges.
https://www.dailynews.com/2015/06/16/so ... ta-valley/" target="_blank

That's gonna hurt recruiting.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:03 pm

Gilbertcat wrote:
azgreg wrote:Has Miller been arrested yet?
Its not looking good. Solid case against him:

Sean Miller was taken to the Santa Clarita Valley Sheriff’s Station and booked on murder charges.
https://www.dailynews.com/2015/06/16/so ... ta-valley/" target="_blank

Why is anyone concerned???

Murder is not an NCAA violation!

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:33 pm

Gilbertcat wrote:
azgreg wrote:Has Miller been arrested yet?
Its not looking good. Solid case against him:

Sean Miller was taken to the Santa Clarita Valley Sheriff’s Station and booked on murder charges.
https://www.dailynews.com/2015/06/16/so ... ta-valley/" target="_blank

Someone should tweet that at Vitale. He'll probably pee his pants in happiness.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:24 pm

You know we are in the long summer season now.

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:14 pm

No way that's the same Sean Miller, the bail is only 1 mill. That would be the bail for me. Csm bail would be like 40mil

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:17 pm

U.P. Zona Fan wrote:No way that's the same Sean Miller, the bail is only 1 mill. That would be the bail for me. Csm bail would be like 40mil

if Miller has to use $40 mil for bail how is he going to pay recruits?

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:19 pm

azgreg wrote:
U.P. Zona Fan wrote:No way that's the same Sean Miller, the bail is only 1 mill. That would be the bail for me. Csm bail would be like 40mil
if Miller has to use $40 mil for bail how is he going to pay recruits?

He'll have to start selling smokes and tatts in the clink.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:58 pm

https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... gottfried/" target="_blank

First of the six to be notified

MountainCat · Post by **MountainCat** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:52 pm

PHXCATS wrote:https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... gottfried/

First of the six to be notified

“What... ...the ACC... I thought Arizona would have been the first school announced“

~ D. Vital ~

CatFanOneMil · Post by **CatFanOneMil** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:16 pm

MountainCat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... gottfried/

First of the six to be notified
“What... ...the ACC... I thought Arizona would have been the first school announced“

~ D. Vital ~

Dickie V probably cry-shouting "Its a Travesty" into his Coach K pillow...

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:42 pm

PHXCATS wrote:https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... gottfried/

First of the six to be notified

My money would not have been on NC State. They must be really mad at Kansas.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:55 pm

Ironic that ESPN radio spent today raising money for Jimmy V fund.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:22 am

Postmaster wrote:Ironic that ESPN radio spent today raising money for Jimmy V fund.

And interviewing Dennis Smith Jr in Vegas with nary a mention of the situation. Hard hitting journalism. When Arizona isn’t involved.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:22 pm

I hope we’re all clear about how much worse the NC State violations were compared to what a Arizona is implicated in.

NC State coaches spent years directly paying and providing benefits to DSJ’s family to secure his commitment. The associate head coach has alleged in court that the head coach twice handed him envelopes of cash to pay to DSJ’s people.

Direct payments
Ineligible player
Multiple coaches involved
Years of bad behavior
Head coach involved

It’s a bad bad bad scandal. ESPN is predictably... quiet.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:51 am

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:24 pm

Amazing. Gotta be someone from here

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:11 pm

https://www.kgun9.com/sports/local-spor ... es-payoffs" target="_blank

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:22 pm

Irish27 wrote:https://www.kgun9.com/sports/local-spor ... es-payoffs

These are the same parts that were played at trial and included in the complaint.

SabinoDrifter · Post by **SabinoDrifter** » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:23 pm

Irish27 wrote:https://www.kgun9.com/sports/local-spor ... es-payoffs

The stupidity of Richardson and Dawkins is truly astounding.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:02 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Irish27 wrote:https://www.kgun9.com/sports/local-spor ... es-payoffs
These are the same parts that were played at trial and included in the complaint.

Unfortunately, under the new NCAA evidentiary rules all of the evidence/testimony from the trial can be used against the UA.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/s ... 936246002/" target="_blank

Lastly, the NCAA now says it will accept information established by other administrative entities. Translation: Whatever comes up in court (or in law enforcement investigations) can be used as fact in NCAA investigations. The enforcement staff was previously required to corroborate information and hope other entities – like, say, the FBI or U.S. Attorney's office – were willing to share information the NCAA could use as source material. Now they likely can use that material, plus information like testimony under oath, not as a genesis of an investigation but rather as elements of the investigation's findings.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:01 am

dmjcat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Irish27 wrote:https://www.kgun9.com/sports/local-spor ... es-payoffs
These are the same parts that were played at trial and included in the complaint.
Unfortunately, under the new NCAA evidentiary rules all of the evidence/testimony from the trial can be used against the UA.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/s ... 936246002/" target="_blank

Lastly, the NCAA now says it will accept information established by other administrative entities. Translation: Whatever comes up in court (or in law enforcement investigations) can be used as fact in NCAA investigations. The enforcement staff was previously required to corroborate information and hope other entities – like, say, the FBI or U.S. Attorney's office – were willing to share information the NCAA could use as source material. Now they likely can use that material, plus information like testimony under oath, not as a genesis of an investigation but rather as elements of the investigation's findings.

Cool story bro, want a cookie?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:10 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Cool story bro, want a cookie?

Make it an extra-large Black & White and can you write “Self Sanction Now!” on it in green icing? That’ll satisfy that hunger...

MountainCat · Post by **MountainCat** » Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:35 am

ESPN ticker now saying the Auburn to receive a notice of allegations regarding the Basketball scandal.

Well that’s team number two now.... Four to go supposedly. I thought Arizona was a given as the top high profile teams with major violations? I guess we will now have to settle being the third team to be notified now, but with lesser violations. Oh well.

The ticker also shows Arizona, Creighton, Kansas, Louisville, LSU, and USC being schools also involved with the scandal. Thank heavens Arizona comes first on most alphabetical list, otherwise ESPN would look pretty foolish in their reporting.

Even Vegas probably has odds of Arizona being last of that group to receive next notice of allegations.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:14 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
dmjcat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Irish27 wrote:https://www.kgun9.com/sports/local-spor ... es-payoffs
These are the same parts that were played at trial and included in the complaint.
Unfortunately, under the new NCAA evidentiary rules all of the evidence/testimony from the trial can be used against the UA.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/s ... 936246002/" target="_blank

Lastly, the NCAA now says it will accept information established by other administrative entities. Translation: Whatever comes up in court (or in law enforcement investigations) can be used as fact in NCAA investigations. The enforcement staff was previously required to corroborate information and hope other entities – like, say, the FBI or U.S. Attorney's office – were willing to share information the NCAA could use as source material. Now they likely can use that material, plus information like testimony under oath, not as a genesis of an investigation but rather as elements of the investigation's findings.
Cool story bro, want a cookie?

Whats the matter?? Can't handle the truth???

Perhaps you should go find a safe space where you can curl up with play dough and puppy dogs

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:34 am

dmjcat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Irish27 wrote:https://www.kgun9.com/sports/local-spor ... es-payoffs
These are the same parts that were played at trial and included in the complaint.
Unfortunately, under the new NCAA evidentiary rules all of the evidence/testimony from the trial can be used against the UA.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/s ... 936246002/" target="_blank

Lastly, the NCAA now says it will accept information established by other administrative entities. Translation: Whatever comes up in court (or in law enforcement investigations) can be used as fact in NCAA investigations. The enforcement staff was previously required to corroborate information and hope other entities – like, say, the FBI or U.S. Attorney's office – were willing to share information the NCAA could use as source material. Now they likely can use that material, plus information like testimony under oath, not as a genesis of an investigation but rather as elements of the investigation's findings.

That presumes that because it was used as evidence, it establishes a fact. Evidence and fact are not interchangeable terms.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:44 am

dmjcat wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
dmjcat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Irish27 wrote:https://www.kgun9.com/sports/local-spor ... es-payoffs
These are the same parts that were played at trial and included in the complaint.
Unfortunately, under the new NCAA evidentiary rules all of the evidence/testimony from the trial can be used against the UA.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/s ... 936246002/" target="_blank

Lastly, the NCAA now says it will accept information established by other administrative entities. Translation: Whatever comes up in court (or in law enforcement investigations) can be used as fact in NCAA investigations. The enforcement staff was previously required to corroborate information and hope other entities – like, say, the FBI or U.S. Attorney's office – were willing to share information the NCAA could use as source material. Now they likely can use that material, plus information like testimony under oath, not as a genesis of an investigation but rather as elements of the investigation's findings.
Cool story bro, want a cookie?
Whats the matter?? Can't handle the truth???

Perhaps you should go find a safe space where you can curl up with play dough and puppy dogs

Truth is fine. Incessantly needing to repeat things that literally every body knows already is just annoying. You're annoying. Cookies are too good for you now. You get liver and onions with a side of self-sanctions.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:16 am

Hey, I like liver and onions. But self-sanctioning on this matter is as stupid as holding animosity toward Sean Miller for this situation. That's my opinion based on the transparent evidence.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:13 pm

Why would ANY school sanction itself over the actions of one rogue coach?

Should the basketball program have stripped itself of schollies for two years because Ben Lindsey got drunk a lot and cheated on his wife, while basically going all Mackovic on the program for a year?

The program is not the problem here. Book was. So why should innocent players and coaches voluntarily take the brunt of punishment?

Sorry, but zero sense made there.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:17 pm

Some people just want to be right so bad that they will say or do anything to try and prove they were right

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:47 pm

Thankfully Dukie is not on the NCAA investigating team,

FreeSpiritCat · Post by **FreeSpiritCat** » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:04 pm

There is nothing new in that article from Vitale.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:19 pm

Is this still a thing?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:01 am

Irish27 wrote:Thankfully Dukie is not on the NCAA investigating team,

He's much more charged up about that than the notice of allegations vs NCSU and Auburn, huh?

IndianaZonaFan · Post by **IndianaZonaFan** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:00 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Irish27 wrote:Thankfully Dukie is not on the NCAA investigating team,
He's much more charged up about that than the notice of allegations vs NCSU and Auburn, huh?

ALL of ESPN is. I have heard little to nothing from them about either school. And one of them just made a final four...odd

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:17 pm

The whole fucking thing is a joke at this point. I'd take the NCAA to court over any one thing that comes from this whole saga.

Also, does anyone listen to Vitale anymore? I mean isn't he in his 80's at this point? Dude needs to stay in Florida and just go to Rays games.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:24 pm

Was just having lunch with an older gentleman in the Bay - Cal alum, Arizona fan, well heeled and well connected - who balked at me saying Miller is fine.

“I know AG’s dad - Miller is audacious and aggressive.”

We got into the nitty gritty of the current allegations and he acknowledged they might not bear fruit (for the anti-Zona cops). But his point was “goddamn, y’all go hard and it’s not surprising you’re getting slapped.”

Not especially revelatory but maybe insightful. He had Pasternak’s cell and personal email and acknowledged that he envies, as a Cal fan, our ability to maneuver.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:23 am

YoDeFoe wrote:Was just having lunch with an older gentleman in the Bay - Cal alum, Arizona fan, well heeled and well connected - who balked at me saying Miller is fine.

“I know AG’s dad - Miller is audacious and aggressive.”

We got into the nitty gritty of the current allegations and he acknowledged they might not bear fruit (for the anti-Zona cops). But his point was “goddamn, y’all go hard and it’s not surprising you’re getting slapped.”

Not especially revelatory but maybe insightful. He had Pasternak’s cell and personal email and acknowledged that he envies, as a Cal fan, our ability to maneuver.

Isn't that just how you win in recruiting? In the FBI wires, one of the overarching themes is that the best recruiters are also the most aggressive.

If the game is the same, the winners are just the ones who do it well. Michael Jordan was an audacious, aggresssive basketball player.

CatFanOneMil · Post by **CatFanOneMil** » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:26 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:Was just having lunch with an older gentleman in the Bay - Cal alum, Arizona fan, well heeled and well connected - who balked at me saying Miller is fine.

“I know AG’s dad - Miller is audacious and aggressive.”

We got into the nitty gritty of the current allegations and he acknowledged they might not bear fruit (for the anti-Zona cops). But his point was “goddamn, y’all go hard and it’s not surprising you’re getting slapped.”

Not especially revelatory but maybe insightful. He had Pasternak’s cell and personal email and acknowledged that he envies, as a Cal fan, our ability to maneuver.
Isn't that just how you win in recruiting? In the FBI wires, one of the overarching themes is that the best recruiters are also the most aggressive.

If the game is the same, the winners are just the ones who do it well. Michael Jordan was an audacious, aggresssive basketball player.

EXACTLY...no NCAA violations in working your ass off to get recruits...it will definitely piss off people like "Tad is a Boil on Pac 12's ass" because they refuse to put in the work and then bitch that others are cheating...

Everyone seems out to get Miller...but he raises the intensity of the entire game, isn't that what we want?

Mark Few is the absolute exception, but he knows his limits and recruits foreign players and transfers, but I bet he works hard in THAT metric...

The good coaches are relentless, the bad ones are whiners.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:59 am

All the blue bloods are aggressive, hard-working recruiters. The unspoken subtext of that comment against Miller is that he "doesn't play the game" the way the other media darlings do.

He will never charm ESPN. He will never bow down and kiss the ass of Vitale or his cognoscenti. And he makes no apologies for it.

My kind of coach.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:13 pm

Even Coach K realizes he has to work to get top recruits in the current environment.

Add to that the fact that you can’t sell Arizona targets on being on national TV all the time, or playing at an hour when anyone west of Denver can stay up to watch, or playing in the tourney a couple of hours or less from campus, or playing in a conference that gives a shit about anything besides how shiny their offices are, and it’s no wonder CSM has to kick down doors to put together top teams.

If only our football staff came to the same realization...

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:28 am

DePaul placed on 3 years probation, https://depauliaonline.com/42271/sports ... uct-rules/" target="_blank.

I wonder if the NCAA is picking on the smaller schools now, so when it comes to penalizing the big schools, they will come down harder on them?

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:01 am

What DePaul did was worse per the NCAA guidelines and regulations than what Arizona did. I have thought for a while probation would be the punishment.

Here is what we know dispite the lies from many in the media

Ayton cleared twice
FBI found no wrong doing with Miller Ayton or Alkins
Pasternak never offered Bowen money to come to UA. Bowen Sr was told by Dawkins Pasternak was offering money, but when this was happening Pasternak was already gone from UA I believe
Dawkins and Richardson were liars and have been proven to be. We have know this well before on Richardson before September 2017
Dawkins and Richardson only worked with each other for a few months during a summer
There is no clear NCAA violation for directing kids to a certain agency or adviser post playing days
Lack of institutional control will be hard to punish UA for harshly as there was no proof Miller knew any of this, Miller had plans in place of what to do when issues arise, and no clear ncaa violations occurred unlike UCONN, NC State and DePaul
Mark Phelps had nothing to do with this and ESPN lied about that yet again

MountainCat · Post by **MountainCat** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:22 am

PHXCATS - you forgot one...

...Vitale was, is, and will always be an ass...

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:56 am

MountainCat wrote:PHXCATS - you forgot one...

...Vitale was, is, and will always be an ass...

And Fuck Jay Bilas

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