let's talk '20

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:49 am

goslingswagg wrote: Movement in? Or movement out? This is gonna be a wild offseason isn't it?

Both. It won't last too much longer honestly.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:02 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
goslingswagg wrote: Movement in? Or movement out? This is gonna be a wild offseason isn't it?
Both. It won't last too much longer honestly.

You think we'll be better off after these in-and-outs?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:11 am

goslingswagg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
goslingswagg wrote: Movement in? Or movement out? This is gonna be a wild offseason isn't it?
Both. It won't last too much longer honestly.
You think we'll be better off after these in-and-outs?

The first one you'll know about is an upgrade. The second (if it happens) I'm not quite sure of the exact details yet.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:03 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
goslingswagg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
goslingswagg wrote: Movement in? Or movement out? This is gonna be a wild offseason isn't it?
Both. It won't last too much longer honestly.
You think we'll be better off after these in-and-outs?
The first one you'll know about is an upgrade. The second (if it happens) I'm not quite sure of the exact details yet.

Hell yeah...I'll take it. Appreciate it as always Choo.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:34 am

Thanks Choo.

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:52 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:Big up to Robert Sarver for the recruiting assist, by taking a recruit's brother way over the slot he should've been drafted. At least Sarver does something right for once.

Not if you're a Suns fan lmao

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:52 am

SunnyAZ wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Big up to Robert Sarver for the recruiting assist, by taking a recruit's brother way over the slot he should've been drafted. At least Sarver does something right for once.
Not if you're a Suns fan lmao

I'm a Suns and a Cats fan, at least that draft pick will help me out on one end

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:02 pm

The Johnson family experienced highs and lows last week. Things ended on a positive note with the Phoenix Suns selecting North Carolina’s Cameron Johnson with the 11th pick in the NBA Draft. Unfortunately, the week started off sour as Puff Johnson, the younger brother of the former Tar Heel standout, was ruled ineligible to play his senior year of high school basketball because he played high school ball as a 7th and 8th grader.

The Johnson family has appealed the ruling, but until the final word comes down, Johnson is exploring his options in case things don't work out. The four-star prospect is currently on campus at UNC working out with his brother, and it's possible that Johnson could receive enough credits to be ruled eligible to play college basketball this season. If that is the case, Arizona might be the team to beat, though Notre Dame, Pitt and North Carolina would definitely be options, too.

Prep school is also a possibility, as is Johnson moving to Phoenix with his brother and finishing his high school career in Arizona.

For now, Johnson will complete his travel career next month at the Nike Peach Jam.

Marjon Beauchamp & possibly Puff (if he doesn't reclassify) in Arizona, have to like the chances at landing one.

Also another interesting note numerous future PG recruits say they like Mannion and want to see how Mannion is used by Miller. Hopefully he balls out and he goes high in the draft and leads to other top PGs and get the PG factory going again.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:39 pm

NYCat wrote:
Marjon Beauchamp & possibly Puff (if he doesn't reclassify) in Arizona, have to like the chances at landing one.

Why not both?

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:52 pm

Whoa, wait a minute. Sign two more guys? Didn’t we just get to 13? Now two more would have to go

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:53 pm

azcat49 wrote:Whoa, wait a minute. Sign two more guys? Didn’t we just get to 13? Now two more would have to go

This is for the 2020 class.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:13 pm

Oh, makes sense. Hoping the roster is set for next year

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:35 pm

azcat49 wrote:Oh, makes sense. Hoping the roster is set for next year

It's not even July.

Still plenty of time for transfers, random injuries, academic suspensions, arrests, scandals, etc.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:25 pm

gronk4heisman wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Whoa, wait a minute. Sign two more guys? Didn’t we just get to 13? Now two more would have to go
This is for the 2020 class.

Well Puff may be 2019 soon enough...

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:25 pm

azcat49 wrote:Oh, makes sense. Hoping the roster is set for next year

It's not.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:00 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Whoa, wait a minute. Sign two more guys? Didn’t we just get to 13? Now two more would have to go
This is for the 2020 class.
Well Puff may be 2019 soon enough...

Would much rather Puff as a Bwill scholarship replacement than the EKU kid even if that does mean we’re thin at the PG spot.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:32 pm

goslingswagg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:
azcat49 wrote:Whoa, wait a minute. Sign two more guys? Didn’t we just get to 13? Now two more would have to go
This is for the 2020 class.
Well Puff may be 2019 soon enough...
Would much rather Puff as a Bwill scholarship replacement than the EKU kid even if that does mean we’re thin at the PG spot.

Agreed.

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:34 am

Sounds like that might be the case. If so and we are done (outside of Puff potentially) what are everyone's thoughts on '20. Going to have a lot of potential spots available. A LOT of early playing time. Likley not a single starter returning and possibly only 10% of all minutes.

Likely on the team:
1. Jemarl Baker
2. Ira Lee
3. Jordan Brown
4. Christian Koloko

Maybe on the Team:
5. Brandon Williams (hope springs eternal)
6. Devonaire Doutrive (who knows where his head will be at)
7. Josh Green (massive potential, but does he need extra seasoning?)
8. Puff Johnson (tea leaves seem strong)

Likely Gone
Nico Mannion (could he play his way into a top 5 pick?, we need him too)
Zeke Nnaji (Has stated wants to be 1AD and is growing quickly)

In a best case scenario we will need 5 and likely 7-8 and maybe 9!

Of the player’s we seem to have legit shot with, this is how I would rank want/need:
1. Beauchamp (impact defender, must have in every CSM class)
2. Nix/Love (heavy need for ball handler/playmaker)
3. Williams (versatile)
4. Christopher (buckets)
5. Burnett (seems like the tough kind of guard Miller likes)
6. Dawson Garcia
7. Any other big we are chasing
*Puff Johnson reclassifies to ’19 (hopefully w/ the Cats)
** the two Jalen’s are not possibilities, either would slot below Beauchamp
*** if BW is truly lost to medical… Nix/Love and Burnett become much higher needs.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:38 am

Fuck. That's a lot of turnover.

Thank goodness for Baker and Brown and Lee and Koloko. We'll at least have some front court experience and a lead guard.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:59 am

YoDeFoe wrote:Fuck. That's a lot of turnover.

Thank goodness for Baker and Brown and Lee and Koloko. We'll at least have some front court experience and a lead guard.

In a perfect world you also return Doutrive and Puff (if he reclassifies). May have to go the grad transfer route at PG though, we won't land Nix (you won't like his landing spot) and the other PGs we offered are probably too far out of our zip code honestly.

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:07 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:Fuck. That's a lot of turnover.

Thank goodness for Baker and Brown and Lee and Koloko. We'll at least have some front court experience and a lead guard.
In a perfect world you also return Doutrive and Puff (if he reclassifies). May have to go the grad transfer route at PG though, we won't land Nix (you won't like his landing spot) and the other PGs we offered are probably too far out of our zip code honestly.

So back to the subpar PG play after one year of hopefully good/great play.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:10 am

gronk4heisman wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:Fuck. That's a lot of turnover.

Thank goodness for Baker and Brown and Lee and Koloko. We'll at least have some front court experience and a lead guard.
In a perfect world you also return Doutrive and Puff (if he reclassifies). May have to go the grad transfer route at PG though, we won't land Nix (you won't like his landing spot) and the other PGs we offered are probably too far out of our zip code honestly.
So back to the subpar PG play after one year of hopefully good/great play.

We're going to get blessed with maximum Mannion this year and it's going to be a fucking joy.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:13 am

We are not going to have 3- 1 and Dones.

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:21 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:Fuck. That's a lot of turnover.

Thank goodness for Baker and Brown and Lee and Koloko. We'll at least have some front court experience and a lead guard.
In a perfect world you also return Doutrive and Puff (if he reclassifies). May have to go the grad transfer route at PG though, we won't land Nix (you won't like his landing spot) and the other PGs we offered are probably too far out of our zip code honestly.

Agree on Doutrive and Puff. Both seem like pretty big unknowns as of now.

Depressing on the PG situation. I am sure CSM envisioned a healthy Jr BW leading that years squad when he signed 2 years ago.

What is Nix tie to the Bruins? Shoe Company/AAU?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:22 am

Alieberman wrote:We are not going to have 3- 1 and Dones.

I wouldn't bet on that one bit.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:24 am

Nico, Josh and Zeke...OAD.

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:34 am

Beachcat97 wrote:Nico, Josh and Zeke...OAD.

Certainly anything can happen, but would seem more likely than not. There does seem to be a lot of international talent in 2020 which could shake up the lottery. I think Nico is gone but depending on Josh and Zeke's development, a 2nd year might benefit them. Hopefully they find the friendly confines of campus to be enticing.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:48 am

YoDeFoe wrote:Fuck. That's a lot of turnover.

Thank goodness for Baker and Brown and Lee and Koloko. We'll at least have some front court experience and a lead guard.

I actually think, if Doutrive and Puff (fingers crossed) return in 2020, we would have the backbone of a pretty solid team. Baker, Doutrive, Puff, Lee, Brown, Koloko is a pretty positive 6 to start with. As Choo said, would likely need a high level grad transfer PG, but after that, we probably would need only one more wing and one more big from the freshman class to be a pretty high level team again in 2020. Beauchamp seems most likely at the wing, not sure about the big. Regardless, I think the pieces would be in place to be solidly in contention in the PAC12. And if any of the assumed 3 OADs from the 2019 class come back, we could be really good.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:51 am

This is Arizona Basketball we are talking about right?

My guess is:

1 will be 1 and done.
1 will probably contract some random illness forcing him to miss most of the year.
and 1 will be abducted by aliens.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:03 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:May have to go the grad transfer route at PG though, we won't land Nix (you won't like his landing spot)

There's only one place that I would hate if he goes there and that's asu. Wouldn't care if he goes anywhere else.

Kinda sucks that we can't consistently land top PGs, almost pointless watching a team without a top flight scoring PG because it's going to result in early NCAA tournament eliminations.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:05 pm

NYCat wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:May have to go the grad transfer route at PG though, we won't land Nix (you won't like his landing spot)
There's only one place that I would hate if he goes there and that's asu. Wouldn't care if he goes anywhere else.

Kinda sucks that we can't consistently land top PGs, almost pointless watching a team without a top flight scoring PG because it's going to result in early NCAA tournament eliminations.

It's UCLA I believe.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:12 pm

goslingswagg wrote: It's UCLA I believe.

Yeah I know, UCLA doesn't really bother me tbh.

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:56 pm

NYCat wrote:
goslingswagg wrote: It's UCLA I believe.
Yeah I know, UCLA doesn't really bother me tbh.

It might start to bother me if Cronin pans out. Until this point it's been "well they want to be coached by Alford so they probably couldn't have handled it here."

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:52 pm

Should probably put this post front & center on the main page so people know what they’re getting into when they become Arizona super fans.

Alieberman wrote:This is Arizona Basketball we are talking about right?

My guess is:

1 will be 1 and done.
1 will probably contract some random illness forcing him to miss most of the year.
and 1 will be abducted by aliens.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:09 pm

First commit in the 2020 class is another in state kid.

https://247sports.com/Player/Dalen-Terry-46050638/" target="_blank

https://rivals.com/content/prospects/20 ... rry-191833" target="_blank

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/bask ... alen-terry" target="_blank

Hopefully he doesn't think he's playing PG

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:16 pm

Great start, dude fits Miller like a glove. I wouldn't expect him to be the only Compton Magic guy we land in this class. Terry will also very likely be playing with Puff Johnson this year.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:40 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:Great start, dude fits Miller like a glove. I wouldn't expect him to be the only Compton Magic guy we land in this class.

A) Chibuzo Agbo is the only possible player that I see from their roster

https://www.exposuresportsnews.com/rost ... son=601375" target="_blank

https://247sports.com/player/chibuzo-agbo-jr-46051475" target="_blank

Looks like Arizona offered on July 15th

B) I guess the relationship with the Compton magic is fixed now?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:41 pm

NYCat wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Great start, dude fits Miller like a glove. I wouldn't expect him to be the only Compton Magic guy we land in this class.
A) Chibuzo Agbo is the only possible player that I see from their roster

https://www.exposuresportsnews.com/rost ... son=601375" target="_blank

https://247sports.com/player/chibuzo-agbo-jr-46051475" target="_blank

Looks like Arizona offered on July 15th

B) I guess the relationship with the Compton magic is fixed now?

A) Yup
B) Yup

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:43 pm

Is Dalen a PG? I watched some highlights and he seems pretty unathletic but has a good shot. Then I looked up his stats and he averaged 11.4 assists per game last year. Some places have him as a SF and some PG. He kinda seems like a Kyle Anderson type player.

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:47 pm

He had an almost 7:1 A:TO ratio. And a over 2:1 steal to to turnover ratio lol

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:51 pm

NYCat wrote:First commit in the 2020 class is another in state kid.

https://247sports.com/Player/Dalen-Terry-46050638/" target="_blank

https://rivals.com/content/prospects/20 ... rry-191833" target="_blank

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/bask ... alen-terry" target="_blank

Hopefully he doesn't think he's playing PG

Nice. Long wings are always valuable.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:57 pm

SunnyAZ wrote:Is Dalen a PG? I watched some highlights and he seems pretty unathletic but has a good shot. Then I looked up his stats and he averaged 11.4 assists per game last year. Some places have him as a SF and some PG. He kinda seems like a Kyle Anderson type player.

He can play the 1-3, I doubt we'd use him as a full time PG though.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:07 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
SunnyAZ wrote:Is Dalen a PG? I watched some highlights and he seems pretty unathletic but has a good shot. Then I looked up his stats and he averaged 11.4 assists per game last year. Some places have him as a SF and some PG. He kinda seems like a Kyle Anderson type player.
He can play the 1-3, I doubt we'd use him as a full time PG though.

I wouldn’t mind him playing point next season - he’s got great vision and IQ, he plays as a PG currently and trains as a PG. He’s so damn skinny I’m not sure I trust him at the SF either. And of course - who else is going to play it?

To Choo’s note though... if someone else better suited to be the primary PG emerges, always great to have multiple playmakers.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:44 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:Great start, dude fits Miller like a glove. I wouldn't expect him to be the only Compton Magic guy we land in this class. Terry will also very likely be playing with Puff Johnson this year.

Terry, Puff, and Agbo is my dream wing group. Put those 3 with Askew and a decent big and I’d be ecstatic. Miller continues to be an absolute freak.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:17 pm

Beyond the body composition (adding weight) concerns, worried about DT’s low shot release and seemingly limited athleticism. Also curious if he’s more athletic than he seems but just can’t offer it with his vulnerable frame.

Encouraged by his intention to get tougher inside, tenacious on D, and be a stud NBA player.

Also shoutout to the 2020 class... Jordan Brown, Jamarl Baker, and Dalen Terry. Fuuuuck yeah

StickItInTheyFace · Post by **StickItInTheyFace** » Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:10 am

Awesome to see that they got the commitment only what, a month after offering? I'm sure there was obviously some recruiting of him before Compton Magic gave the go ahead but this felt like a fast turnaround.

Miller continues impress me more and more, if you weren't impressed with him before the FBI scandal dropped, I can't see how you aren't by now. 2020 class will probably end up exceeding all of our expectations we had a couple months ago, Terry is a great start.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:44 am

Dalen Terry: Arizona lands commitment from Top 25 2020 prospect
ByJosh Gershon 17 hours ago

Arizona has landed its first commitment of the 2020 class and it is a big one.

Dalen Terry, a 6-foot-6, 190-pound small forward from Phoenix Hillcrest Prep pledged to the Wildcats, he told 247Sports.

“I’m going to the University of Arizona,” Terry said. “It’s just the best opportunity for me.”
Terry is the 38th ranked 2020 prospect in the industry-generated 247Sports Composite Rankings, although 247Sports ranks Terry higher than that at 25th nationally.

Arizona’s all out pursuit of Terry moved fast. The Wildcats offered in June and quickly took control of the recruitment.

“They made up a lot of ground really quick,” said Terry. “They offered me and I’m already more comfortable with them than anyone else.

“The whole staff recruits me; they’re the only school that recruited me with their entire staff.”

https://247sports.com/college/basketbal ... 133862265/" target="_blank

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:48 am

HiCat wrote: “The whole staff recruits me; they’re the only school that recruited me with their entire staff.”

I don't follow recruiting all that much due to "commit" being just a suggestion, but doesn't Duke and UNC also recruit with their entire staff?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:32 am

Merkin wrote:
HiCat wrote: “The whole staff recruits me; they’re the only school that recruited me with their entire staff.”
I don't follow recruiting all that much due to "commit" being just a suggestion, but doesn't Duke and UNC also recruit with their entire staff?

Every staff does with recruits they really want. If you take anything from that comment take it that Arizona really prioritized Terry and showed him as much.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:17 pm

Merkin wrote:
HiCat wrote: “The whole staff recruits me; they’re the only school that recruited me with their entire staff.”
I don't follow recruiting all that much due to "commit" being just a suggestion, but doesn't Duke and UNC also recruit with their entire staff?

He's a 4 star around 35 or so nationally. I think it's more that Arizona treated him like a top ten guy, which he probably didn't get from all schools.

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