Nico Mannion

prh · Post by **prh** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:19 am

Let them come for Gameday so they can be booed.

Never do a halftime interview again

Only allow them to do stuff like this helps our players

DrWildcat · Post by **DrWildcat** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:24 am

azcat49 wrote:Would ESPIN dare to bring game day to McKale for the Zags game. Would that be fun or what

The basketball version of gameday doesn't usually start until January.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:56 am

OK then for Oregon or Washington. Both should be top 10 by then

terryarms · Post by **terryarms** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:48 am

azcat49 wrote:OK then for Oregon or Washington. Both should be top 10 by then

UW won't even sniff the top 10 this year.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:58 am

i actually like the PAC 12 this year

Stanford
USC
Colorado
Oregon St

are all much better than in years past

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:21 am

97cats wrote:i actually like the PAC 12 this year

Stanford
USC
Colorado
Oregon St

are all much better than in years past

Stanford looked really good against OU last night. They whipped them wire to wire.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:22 am

97cats wrote:i actually like the PAC 12 this year

Stanford
USC
Colorado
Oregon St

are all much better than in years past

Did you watch USC lose at home to Temple? They look to me exactly like they have looked every year under Enfield.

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:32 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
97cats wrote:i actually like the PAC 12 this year

Stanford
USC
Colorado
Oregon St

are all much better than in years past
Stanford looked really good against OU last night. They whipped them wire to wire.

Oklahoma is a barometer of good?

They were picked to finish 8th in the Big 12, which only has 10 teams

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:37 am

YoDeFoe wrote:Oh this is cool

This is awesome btw

Like someone else said, we need the ESPN exposure because the conference network is abysmal and almost no one has it

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:43 am

RondaeShimmy wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
97cats wrote:i actually like the PAC 12 this year

Stanford
USC
Colorado
Oregon St

are all much better than in years past
Stanford looked really good against OU last night. They whipped them wire to wire.
Oklahoma is a barometer of good?

They were picked to finish 8th in the Big 12, which only has 10 teams

Stanford got off to a 17-2 lead and never led by fewer than double digits. I'm not saying OU is a powerhouse, but Stanford nailed them.

AzDave · Post by **AzDave** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:46 pm

RondaeShimmy wrote: Oklahoma is a barometer of good?

They were picked to finish 8th in the Big 12, which only has 10 teams

FWIW, Stanford was picked to finish 10th in the pac 12.

Ultimately it might not mean much, but so far the conference hasn't embarrassed itself like it has in the past several years, not even close as a matter of fact.

Seems like the Pac is due for some good years...in football as well as hoops. I get the feeling we're seeing the start of that this year in both sports. We shall see

CatFanOneMil · Post by **CatFanOneMil** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:54 pm

Oregon just stole victory from Seton Halls firm grasp...were down 19 at one point...speaking of points...Pritchard is good...he's sorta the Altman version of TJ ...lot of grit and savvy with a bunch of barely competent parts around him, I don't like him (and Oregon as a whole is still one of the dirtiest teams in sports, at one point the bench tried to trip the PG for Seton Hall as he ran by)...but you have to respect his determination and the fact that he is experienced and does not really panic like a typical Pac team...

Other than UCLA and one of the lower teams the Pac has not been typical post apocalyptic shabby this year.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:30 am

Thought this was a pretty thorough breakdown of his game.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:12 pm

I think his ability to beat people off the bounce is understated. He simply is smart enough to realize he would be going into “charge” country in college as well as challenging shot blockers protecting the rim. If I was a GM I would have no hesitation drafting him if I needed a PG

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:53 pm

Mike Schmitz did a good job breaking down Nico’s game as well (a better job, I think).

The one note that he shared with Nico that I thought was most insightful and important was that Nico has been reluctant so far to take one more step when driving to the rim and finishing closer to the rim. I think it’s likely that Nico is making a calculation that he doesn’t want to get stuffed at the rim and would prefer the easy floater, but on film you can see that he’s undervaluing his ability to get to the rim (he’s either got the bucket or the foul). Likely just an adjustment that he’s making to the college game - you can see Nico developing game by game (getting more comfortable).

If we see more of Nico getting at the rim rather than settling for the floater (which is of course a very nice floater) I think the “limited athleticism” tag would fall off. The video evidence of him getting beat by his man on dribble drives is something he needs to work on, though I understand the desire to stay out of foul trouble and let the big man come in to protect the rim behind him.

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:12 pm

Nico will have trouble defending against Oregon.

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:20 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:Mike Schmitz did a good job breaking down Nico’s game as well (a better job, I think).

The one note that he shared with Nico that I thought was most insightful and important was that Nico has been reluctant so far to take one more step when driving to the rim and finishing closer to the rim. I think it’s likely that Nico is making a calculation that he doesn’t want to get stuffed at the rim and would prefer the easy floater, but on film you can see that he’s undervaluing his ability to get to the rim (he’s either got the bucket or the foul). Likely just an adjustment that he’s making to the college game - you can see Nico developing game by game (getting more comfortable).

If we see more of Nico getting at the rim rather than settling for the floater (which is of course a very nice floater) I think the “limited athleticism” tag would fall off. The video evidence of him getting beat by his man on dribble drives is something he needs to work on, though I understand the desire to stay out of foul trouble and let the big man come in to protect the rim behind him.

Yeah, thought that was a great point as well. Lot of young guys struggle at the rim because they take off too early, too late, or don't know how to utilize their body to absorb contact to throw the defender off timing and then separate with a burst on their last step.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:12 am

Was trying to think of the last Cat to have the stones to take the shot that Nico took last night to win the game.

Momo Jones?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:17 am

Chicat wrote:Was trying to think of the last Cat to have the stones to take the shot that Nico took last night to win the game.

Momo Jones?

PJC

Captain Obvious · Post by **Captain Obvious** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:19 am

Chicat wrote:Was trying to think of the last Cat to have the stones to take the shot that Nico took last night to win the game.

Momo Jones?

Mark Lyons comes to mind.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:24 am

Captain Obvious wrote:
Chicat wrote:Was trying to think of the last Cat to have the stones to take the shot that Nico took last night to win the game.

Momo Jones?
Mark Lyons comes to mind.

At the end of the Florida game Lyons got the mismatch and took advantage. He may have had the balls, but Nico took on the entire defense and kissed a running hook shot off the upper corner of the backboard, finding a Newtonian angle not predicted by analytical geometry.

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:50 am

Captain Obvious wrote:
Chicat wrote:Was trying to think of the last Cat to have the stones to take the shot that Nico took last night to win the game.

Momo Jones?
Mark Lyons comes to mind.

Mark Lyons NEVER saw a shot he didn't "have the stones to take"....

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:52 am

Longhorned wrote:
Captain Obvious wrote:
Chicat wrote:Was trying to think of the last Cat to have the stones to take the shot that Nico took last night to win the game.

Momo Jones?
Mark Lyons comes to mind.
At the end of the Florida game Lyons got the mismatch and took advantage. He may have had the balls, but Nico took on the entire defense and kissed a running hook shot off the upper corner of the backboard, finding a Newtonian angle not predicted by analytical geometry.

Hate to reference a uclan, but Tyus Edney vs. Missouri comes to mind....

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:01 pm

Chicat wrote:Was trying to think of the last Cat to have the stones to take the shot that Nico took last night to win the game.

Momo Jones?

Trier had the stones to take it but never to actually hit it.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:02 pm

The Tyus Edney play was the first thing I thought of after Nico made that shot

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:44 pm

2016 Kadeem v Sparty.

ghostwhitehorse · Post by **ghostwhitehorse** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:11 am

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:51 am

I wonder if the defender heard the supersonic mosquito-like whine of the basketball as it whizzed past his ear.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:33 pm

Is it just me or is Nico doing a lot of standing around when defending on the weakside

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:45 am

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:20 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:Oh this is cool

Here's the full 25 minute film room uploaded today

"Published on Dec 6, 2019
Arizona Wildcats guard Nico Mannion sits down with ESPN NBA draft analyst Mike Schmitz to break down film on his court vision (1:44), passes off the dribble (5:08), ability to find angles (8:27), change-of-pace moves (10:24), finesse finishes (13:44), off-ball impact (15:18), ballhandler pressure (15:57), pick-and-roll defense (18:56), closeouts (19:57) and defensive IQ (21:54)."

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:02 pm

Looked every bit a freshman tonight.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:13 pm

Chicat wrote:Looked every bit a freshman tonight.

I will say this. He never seemed to get that freshman "scared" look about him. You know the one freshmen can get when they have their worst game ever. Not nico though, just kept firing away no matter how badly he bricked every single shot from near or far.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:15 pm

PieceOfMeat wrote:
Chicat wrote:Looked every bit a freshman tonight.
I will say this. He never seemed to get that freshman "scared" look about him. You know the one freshmen can get when they have their worst game ever. Not nico though, just kept firing away no matter how badly he bricked every single shot from near or far.

That was some serious high volume shooting. Didn't get to the line, and he shot 15%. If a point guard shoots the ball 20 times, do we even realize how many points he should tally?

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:19 pm

He was a dumpster fire tonight.

Robert A Booey · Post by **Robert A Booey** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:54 pm

He needs to stop shooting when he is so cold. Try to distribute the ball. 3 for 20 is ridiculous.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:54 pm

He really took the old "shoot yourself out of a slump" axiom seriously.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:00 pm

When it comes down to it, it's mid-December and maybe Nico Mannion doesn't suck as bad as I say he does. Maybe his teammates will learn how to help and recover through an entire defensive possession. It's actually more likely than not.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:04 pm

At least we didn’t have to see his parents twenty times during the game

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:16 pm

Robert A Booey wrote:He needs to stop shooting when he is so cold. Try to distribute the ball. 3 for 20 is ridiculous.

He had 10 assists. And if you’re getting good shots, you keep shooting

Robert A Booey · Post by **Robert A Booey** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:33 pm

zonagrad wrote:
Robert A Booey wrote:He needs to stop shooting when he is so cold. Try to distribute the ball. 3 for 20 is ridiculous.
He had 10 assists. And if you’re getting good shots, you keep shooting

Those weren't good shots. Half of them were forced.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:37 pm

He never got to the line. That’s a pretty good indicator of his shot selection for the night. But that missed open layup toward the end was good except for the part about the missed open layup.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:02 am

When your opponent shoots 30 FT’s to your 13 that points to inefficient PG of post play. I thought our bigs were great tonight but our perimeter play was just gosh awful. Nico
Led the way in that regard and what has happened to Bakers feathery shot

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:35 am

Anyone remember if Bibby had a game like that as a freshman? How about Gardner?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:40 am

I don't remember any UA player ever missing 17 shots.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:51 am

Beachcat97 wrote:Anyone remember if Bibby had a game like that as a freshman? How about Gardner?

Honestly, if we’re looking for a pair of Arizona point guards past this Christmas season, Nico so far looks part Shakur, part PJC. Shockingly overhyped, IQ-deficient, glowing in isolated games and helpless in others. There’s no way this continues, but maybe it does. Defending his 15% on high volume shooting involves a level of Yorkesquefanapologism I never cultivated.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:53 am

Merkin wrote:I don't remember any UA player ever missing 17 shots.

Especially Joey “Jose Cuervo” Thomson from Manzie-Mo...hey oh!

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:01 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
Merkin wrote:I don't remember any UA player ever missing 17 shots.
Especially Joey “Jose Cuervo” Thomson from Manzie-Mo...hey oh!

I think that dude lived on my floor!

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:16 am

I accepted Mannion's poor shooting vs Baylor due to the effects of injury and missed practice.

I just do not understand last night's disaster. two horrible shooting performances against the only two ranked opponents cannot just be a coincidence. Was it a case of the "yips"??

I don't think the defense explains it at all - most of the missed shots that he has routinely been making all season. Many of them were bad misses (offline, etc.), not what one sees from an excellent shooter on a cold nite....

I think his game suffered in the second half largely because the defense was not respecting his shooting, and defending the pass primarily... He began pressing early in the second half, and his effectiveness significantly declined as a result....

Yes, he's a frosh, but his AAU career involved many games against supposed top competition.

So far, his college "career" is defined by these two games, and the conference season will be trying to dig out of, or further into, a "hole"....

I guess we live, and die, on the one-and-done roller coaster....

legallykenny · Post by **legallykenny** » Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:44 am

Merkin wrote:I don't remember any UA player ever missing 17 shots.

Arenas had pretty horrific games against Wisky and Duke in the tournament, but I don't think was quite that bad.

Dickerson and Bibby against Utah were close.

JG definitely shot us out of games his senior year.

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