let's talk '20

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:38 am

CalStateTempe wrote:
midnightx wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Well I hope you guys warm up to the idea of transfers, because of this new rule of making guys eligible immediately upon transferring, wooooooo we're going to lose plenty and add plenty.
It will conceivably make roster stability that much more complicated. AZ is already losing players prematurely at an alarming rate, just image when these guys can transfer without any penalty?
Yup.

Are they having fun?

You’re at Arizona; you compete daily against the best, you should be having fun.

I suspect DWWD isn’t a lot of “fun”

Especially when your talent is limited in a midmajor style of play.

And yet recruits continue to sign up for what you call DWWD. Maybe you should ask them why. You seem so much more well informed on the inner workings of Sean Miller and his style than the recruits and their families. How so?

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:20 am

Dude,

It’s clear from my posting I know shit about the inner workings. That said, a fair question is “are thy having fun” after practicing and playing Miller ball for a season.

Our attrition is abysmal when many of these players could be very good 3-4 year players AND have a legit shot at league.

Take Nico, he’s not ready for the league, but we all know he’s gonna bail. The team always looks so tight in the games/moments where it matters the most.

Outcomes are a reflection of leadership and the system in place. I think is a fair subjective question to ask if the players are having fun? They sure as hell don’t play like they are.

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:25 am

CalStateTempe wrote:Dude,

It’s clear from my posting I know shit about the inner workings. That said, a fair question is “are thy having fun” after practicing and playing Miller ball for a season.

Our attrition is abysmal when many of these players could be very good 3-4 year players AND have a legit shot at league.

Take Nico, he’s not ready for the league, but we all know he’s gonna bail. The team always looks so tight in the games/moments where it matters the most.

Outcomes are a reflection of leadership and the system in place. It think is a fair subjective question to ask if the players are having fun? They sure as hell don’t play like they are.

The ONLY reason Nico is here is because he HAD to wait a year to go league.

Nowadays, few players go league based upon reasonable planning - they go league because they can make a choice, on their own - and, they’ll have some cash in their pocket with lots of free time to spend it.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:26 am

pc in NM wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:Dude,

It’s clear from my posting I know shit about the inner workings. That said, a fair question is “are thy having fun” after practicing and playing Miller ball for a season.

Our attrition is abysmal when many of these players could be very good 3-4 year players AND have a legit shot at league.

Take Nico, he’s not ready for the league, but we all know he’s gonna bail. The team always looks so tight in the games/moments where it matters the most.

Outcomes are a reflection of leadership and the system in place. It think is a fair subjective question to ask if the players are having fun? They sure as hell don’t play like they are.
The ONLY reason Nico is here is because he HAD to wait a year to go league.

Nowadays, few players go league based upon reasonable planning - they go league because they can make a choice, on their own - and, they’ll have some cash in their pocket with lots of free time to spend it.

Arizona needs to start recruiting players that actually care about Arizona.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:28 am

CalStateTempe wrote: Take Nico, he’s not ready for the league, but we all know he’s gonna bail. The team always looks so tight in the games/moments where it matters the most.

Outcomes are a reflection of leadership and the system in place. I think is a fair subjective question to ask if the players are having fun? They sure as hell don’t play like they are.

I think this is wholly accurate, and if you’re seeing it differently, I must be smoking some potent product. But I haven’t smoked in years, you see.

Nico looked like a deer in headlights *before* the game even started. Like, he was about to have a miserable time over the next couple hours. Compare that to Pritchard who was dancing, smiling, and knocking down 30 footers. Granted, Pritchard is older, sure. But Nico’s the one projected as a lotto pick. Nico’s the one whose arrival in Tucson has been heralded for the past 18 months.

It’s not just Nico, of course. The joylessness of this team spreads right on down the bench. And guys, it starts with Miller. He looks like a damn mess during the game. He’s not loose or poised. He always looks like his eyes are about to burst out of his head and roll out to midcourt.

NickyBCats · Post by **NickyBCats** » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:23 pm

Any word on how Akinjo and Jordon Brown are playing in practice and competing?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:15 pm

NickyBCats wrote:Any word on how Akinjo and Jordon Brown are playing in practice and competing?

I mean they're both starters next year, so that says something I guess.

TheCat · Post by **TheCat** » Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:37 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote: Take Nico, he’s not ready for the league, but we all know he’s gonna bail. The team always looks so tight in the games/moments where it matters the most.

Outcomes are a reflection of leadership and the system in place. I think is a fair subjective question to ask if the players are having fun? They sure as hell don’t play like they are.
I think this is wholly accurate, and if you’re seeing it differently, I must be smoking some potent product. But I haven’t smoked in years, you see.

Nico looked like a deer in headlights *before* the game even started. Like, he was about to have a miserable time over the next couple hours. Compare that to Pritchard who was dancing, smiling, and knocking down 30 footers. Granted, Pritchard is older, sure. But Nico’s the one projected as a lotto pick. Nico’s the one whose arrival in Tucson has been heralded for the past 18 months.

It’s not just Nico, of course. The joylessness of this team spreads right on down the bench. And guys, it starts with Miller. He looks like a damn mess during the game. He’s not loose or poised. He always looks like his eyes are about to burst out of his head and roll out to midcourt.

So one of the reason one of our best recruits came here is because he said the intensity that Miller coaches with and the desire to win and the fact that other players felt that same way when they lost (during his official visit) was important to him.. Nico is leaving for one reason....the league is telling him he is ready and will make him a millionaire to leave and reach his dream. Mannion outplayed Prichard by far in the first game. Look at the box score. Why would Mannion be afraid and look like a deer in the headlights? Is Miller intense during games....you bet....that is important to me. Losses matter and they should bother you and your team should care. If that changes he is gone and all booster will back that. I think the way to judge whether there is affection between a coach and players is their support and relationship after they leave. Ask TJ what his thoughts are.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:28 am

TheCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote: Take Nico, he’s not ready for the league, but we all know he’s gonna bail. The team always looks so tight in the games/moments where it matters the most.

Outcomes are a reflection of leadership and the system in place. I think is a fair subjective question to ask if the players are having fun? They sure as hell don’t play like they are.
I think this is wholly accurate, and if you’re seeing it differently, I must be smoking some potent product. But I haven’t smoked in years, you see.

Nico looked like a deer in headlights *before* the game even started. Like, he was about to have a miserable time over the next couple hours. Compare that to Pritchard who was dancing, smiling, and knocking down 30 footers. Granted, Pritchard is older, sure. But Nico’s the one projected as a lotto pick. Nico’s the one whose arrival in Tucson has been heralded for the past 18 months.

It’s not just Nico, of course. The joylessness of this team spreads right on down the bench. And guys, it starts with Miller. He looks like a damn mess during the game. He’s not loose or poised. He always looks like his eyes are about to burst out of his head and roll out to midcourt.
So one of the reason one of our best recruits came here is because he said the intensity that Miller coaches with and the desire to win and the fact that other players felt that same way when they lost (during his official visit) was important to him.. Nico is leaving for one reason....the league is telling him he is ready and will make him a millionaire to leave and reach his dream. Mannion outplayed Prichard by far in the first game. Look at the box score. Why would Mannion be afraid and look like a deer in the headlights? Is Miller intense during games....you bet....that is important to me. Losses matter and they should bother you and your team should care. If that changes he is gone and all booster will back that. I think the way to judge whether there is affection between a coach and players is their support and relationship after they leave. Ask TJ what his thoughts are.

20 points (9-17 fg), 3 reb, 3 ast, 1 stl, 6 turnovers, team lost
18 points (6-21 fg), 7 reb, 6 ast, 3 stl, 4 turnovers, team won

by far, eh?

IndianaZonaFan · Post by **IndianaZonaFan** » Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:52 am

Jefe wrote:Heard his parents want him to stay for 1 more and this guy wouldn't say it if it wasn't true

If Zeke stays do we have a better shot at getting Walton too?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:33 am

IndianaZonaFan wrote:
Jefe wrote:Heard his parents want him to stay for 1 more and this guy wouldn't say it if it wasn't true
If Zeke stays do we have a better shot at getting Walton too?

We're probably going to land Walton regardless.

IndianaZonaFan · Post by **IndianaZonaFan** » Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:07 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
IndianaZonaFan wrote:
Jefe wrote:Heard his parents want him to stay for 1 more and this guy wouldn't say it if it wasn't true
If Zeke stays do we have a better shot at getting Walton too?
We're probably going to land Walton regardless.

Nice. Hopefully he can actually shoot well. Unlike some guys we have now that are streaky at best. Thanks for the insight.

eoe · Post by **eoe** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:26 am

Soooo lineup of

G- Akinjo
G- ?
SF- Terry
PF- Brown
C - Koloko

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:31 am

Brandon Williams?

eoe · Post by **eoe** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:33 am

azgreg wrote:Brandon Williams?

Not going to project unknowns at this point like Ziaire Williams and Walton

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:33 am

azgreg wrote:Brandon Williams?

Possibly Baker or a grad transfer

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:51 am

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:04 am

If he's an undersized shooting guard whose defense Miller can't afford to take off the bench, he should fit right in.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:06 am

Longhorned wrote:If he's an undersized shooting guard whose defense Miller can't afford to take off the bench, he should fit right in.

I mean if it ain't broke don't fix it right?

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:44 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
Longhorned wrote:If he's an undersized shooting guard whose defense Miller can't afford to take off the bench, he should fit right in.
I mean if it ain't broke don't fix it right?

ugh wtf...volume scorers as grad transfers just never work imo, doesn't matter what school they go to.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:47 am

Longhorned wrote:If he's an undersized shooting guard whose defense Miller can't afford to take off the bench, he should fit right in.

He is listed at 5'11", so probably 5'6" when his hair is flattened.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:59 am

goslingswagg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Longhorned wrote:If he's an undersized shooting guard whose defense Miller can't afford to take off the bench, he should fit right in.
I mean if it ain't broke don't fix it right?
ugh wtf...volume scorers as grad transfers just never work imo, doesn't matter what school they go to.

I honestly don't know wtf he is. The dude was literally the entire team. He took 37 shots in a game to score 38 in a 2 OT game though, so that's awesome.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:02 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
goslingswagg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Longhorned wrote:If he's an undersized shooting guard whose defense Miller can't afford to take off the bench, he should fit right in.
I mean if it ain't broke don't fix it right?
ugh wtf...volume scorers as grad transfers just never work imo, doesn't matter what school they go to.
I honestly don't know wtf he is. The dude was literally the entire team. He took 37 shots in a game to score 38 in a 2 OT game though, so that's awesome.

yeah, I'm basing my assessment just off of his stats, so I would like to see some tape/highlights, but just doesn't seem like a fit for what we need (basically a 3 and D type of guard imo).

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:01 pm

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:12 pm

Looks like he can play right away. 20pt’s a game last year and has over 1k points for a career. Seems like a solid add.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:46 pm

Will be competing with Baker for minutes.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:26 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Will be competing with Baker for minutes.

Jemarl needed competition, and good insurance for Akinjo missing first semester as Choo and others have discussed. Seems like we may play a decent amount of time with two of Akinjo, Terrell Brown, and Jemarl on the floor together as somewhat of a two-PG lineup...should be interesting.

I had sort of been assuming Mathurin was going to come in and make the 2-guard spot his...maybe he'll do that at the 3 over Terry.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:29 pm

FWIW this is probably not the only combo guard we are taking if things go right.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:00 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:FWIW this is probably not the only combo guard we are taking if things go right.

Interesting...is it time to let the Ziaire hopes die, or could he still end up in Tucson?

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:04 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:FWIW this is probably not the only combo guard we are taking if things go right.

Wow...then we most definitely will be playing a system with two PGs/combo guards at once. Very interesting. International? I don't think I've seen us seriously connected with any more combo guard transfers.

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:14 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:FWIW this is probably not the only combo guard we are taking if things go right.

Do you consider Walton a combo guard?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:57 pm

gronk4heisman wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:FWIW this is probably not the only combo guard we are taking if things go right.
Do you consider Walton a combo guard?

No I do not. He's a 2-3.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:58 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:FWIW this is probably not the only combo guard we are taking if things go right.
Interesting...is it time to let the Ziaire hopes die, or could he still end up in Tucson?

He could still end up in Tucson. No one knows what's going on in this one though including the schools.

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:30 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:FWIW this is probably not the only combo guard we are taking if things go right.
Do you consider Walton a combo guard?
No I do not. He's a 2-3.

CG a transfer or one of the international's we are chasing?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:58 pm

baycat93 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:FWIW this is probably not the only combo guard we are taking if things go right.
Do you consider Walton a combo guard?
No I do not. He's a 2-3.
CG a transfer or one of the international's we are chasing?

International.

Either way keywords are 'if things go right.'

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:14 pm

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:50 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
baycat93 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:FWIW this is probably not the only combo guard we are taking if things go right.
Do you consider Walton a combo guard?
No I do not. He's a 2-3.
CG a transfer or one of the international's we are chasing?
International.

Either way keywords are 'if things go right.'

I take that intimates there are other factors outside of just this international making the decision to come to the states and choose AZ.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:55 pm

azgreg wrote:

This would be crazy. How about a Koloko, Haarms, Brown frontcourt?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:58 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
azgreg wrote:
This would be crazy. How about a Koloko, Haarms, Brown frontcourt?

I mean, that would be great and all, but if transfers and freshmen can’t grasp Sean’s system with a full offseason, how shitty are we going to look with a Covid19-induced abbreviated offseason?

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:40 pm

Chicat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
azgreg wrote:
This would be crazy. How about a Koloko, Haarms, Brown frontcourt?
I mean, that would be great and all, but if transfers and freshmen can’t grasp Sean’s system with a full offseason, how shitty are we going to look with a Covid19-induced abbreviated offseason?

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:36 am

Is there any AZ/Haarms connection, or are we entering this recruitment without any edge whatsoever?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:39 am

Beachcat97 wrote:Is there any AZ/Haarms connection, or are we entering this recruitment without any edge whatsoever?

He had 5 blocks against us in Atlantis. Outside of that? No.

It's far more likely Arizona addresses its post depth via the international route than it does via Haarms.

baycat93 · Post by **baycat93** » Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:55 am

CCC, is the international big a post or stretch type player? 4 or 5?

We need more of stretch as none of our current bigs are shooters. Brown may have more of a shot, but lee and koloko are dunkers.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:00 pm

baycat93 wrote:CCC, is the international big a post or stretch type player? 4 or 5?

We need more of stretch as none of our current bigs are shooters. Brown may have more of a shot, but lee and koloko are dunkers.

Truthfully I don't know who the post is. I have an idea who he may be, but I'm far from certain. I just know whoever he is is an option.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:37 am

Call me crazy, but I love the idea of pairing Koloko and Haarms on the defensive end. Wow.

eoe · Post by **eoe** » Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:32 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Call me crazy, but I love the idea of pairing Koloko and Haarms on the defensive end. Wow.

That molasses slow rotation and help D would be disastrous. Haarms would be a great get, much more polished offensively, have him playing 25 min and Koloko 15 min.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:34 am

I'm pretty concerned we're going to lose Walton now that UNC has a scholarship for him....

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:00 am

goslingswagg wrote:I'm pretty concerned we're going to lose Walton now that UNC has a scholarship for him....

Only their 6th transfer in 17 years, I think we have that many in the last 5 years. Additionally, rarely do you see the Brandon Randolph's, Chance Comanche's, Kobi Simmon's of the world leaving before they should be. Maybe we should start giving these HS players those multi year contracts UNC must be giving them.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:20 pm

Roy Williams is absolutely buttfucking Sean Miller in this recruiting class.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:33 pm

gronk4heisman wrote:
goslingswagg wrote:I'm pretty concerned we're going to lose Walton now that UNC has a scholarship for him....
Only their 6th transfer in 17 years, I think we have that many in the last 5 years. Additionally, rarely do you see the Brandon Randolph's, Chance Comanche's, Kobi Simmon's of the world leaving before they should be. Maybe we should start giving these HS players those multi year contracts UNC must be giving them.

Or maybe they don’t play for a stodgy, non fun, inflexible, glorified, mid major of a coach, who consistently has failed to deliver over the past 5 years.

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