let's talk '20

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:21 am

Beachcat97 wrote:We have a top 10ish freshman class and no OADs. I love it.

You were crying yesterday.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:25 am

I told you guys that the west coast recruiting class of 2020 was ridiculously difficult.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:27 am

ChooChooCat wrote:there is no limit to the amount of walk ons you can have on roster.

I never even thought about that. As a cheap ploy, Miller should declare the entire Zona Zoo walk-ons, kicking them off the team as soon as they don't show up for a home game.

gronk4heisman · Post by **gronk4heisman** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:30 am

ChooChooCat wrote:I told you guys that the west coast recruiting class of 2020 was ridiculously difficult.

That is a big blow to the conference which has already struggled mightily in recruiting this year.

MountainCat · Post by **MountainCat** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:32 am

This will be the year of the 4 star player...

...Millers a witch

...Hurley sucks

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:42 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
azgreg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
azgreg wrote:Do Jordan Mains, Kory Jones, and Matt Weyand not count towards roster spots?
Not if you're listing scholarship players they do not.
So, for my own education level. A team is allowed 13 scholarships? How many walk-ons? What is the max number of players allowed on a roster?
13 scholarships is the max allowed, there is no limit to the amount of walk ons you can have on roster.

But only 15 total can travel, which seems odd sometimes when you see injured players on the travel squad. Maybe a free trip home for those from LA or wherever. But walk ons get so few minutes in away games anyway, so no big deal.

Catintheheat · Post by **Catintheheat** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:50 am

I really like the idea of recruiting Euros. Unless they are really good, like Lauri, I suspect they will stick around longer without entering the draft, or transferring. I am beginning to think that, overall, Euros are more suited for the college game. Perhaps it is because I don't see them in the AAU circuit.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:54 am

1. I. Lee
2. J. Baker
3. B. Williams
4. C. Koloko
5. J. Brown
6. T. Brown
7. J. Akinjo
8. D. Terry
9. B. Mathurin
10. K. Kriisa
11. D. Batcho
12. T Gorene
13. ???

Have no idea what to expect from this group. 3 of these guys got minutes for AZ last year.

Hope we have a season to find out.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:55 am

gronk4heisman wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:I told you guys that the west coast recruiting class of 2020 was ridiculously difficult.

That is a big blow to the conference which has already struggled mightily in recruiting this year.

PAC is wiiiiiiide open next year...

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:04 am

Alieberman wrote:1. I. Lee
2. J. Baker
3. B. Williams
4. C. Koloko
5. J. Brown
6. T. Brown
7. J. Akinjo
8. D. Terry
9. B. Mathurin
10. K. Kriisa
11. D. Batcho
12. T Gorene
13. ???

Have no idea what to expect from this group. 3 of these guys got minutes for AZ last year.

Hope we have a season to find out.

Transition year. Build off this year to be able to win big the following year and years beyond that.

All we need to see is growth and progress throughout the season. Just make the NCAA tournament to get them some experience that will pay off big for the future.

Although the conference is looking wide open this year, probably for ASU if they keep Christopher from the G league and return White, Martin.

MountainCat · Post by **MountainCat** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:06 am

RondaeShimmy wrote:
Alieberman wrote:1. I. Lee
2. J. Baker
3. B. Williams
4. C. Koloko
5. J. Brown
6. T. Brown
7. J. Akinjo
8. D. Terry
9. B. Mathurin
10. K. Kriisa
11. D. Batcho
12. T Gorene
13. ???

Have no idea what to expect from this group. 3 of these guys got minutes for AZ last year.

Hope we have a season to find out.
Transition year. Build off this year to be able to win big the following year and years beyond that.

All we need to see is growth and progress throughout the season. Just make the NCAA tournament to get them some experience that will pay off big for the future.

Although the conference is looking wide open this year, probably for ASU if they keep Christopher from the G league and return White, Martin.

I believed Martin already declared...

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:12 am

MountainCat wrote:
RondaeShimmy wrote:
Alieberman wrote:1. I. Lee
2. J. Baker
3. B. Williams
4. C. Koloko
5. J. Brown
6. T. Brown
7. J. Akinjo
8. D. Terry
9. B. Mathurin
10. K. Kriisa
11. D. Batcho
12. T Gorene
13. ???

Have no idea what to expect from this group. 3 of these guys got minutes for AZ last year. He has until May 29 to return, which may be extended due to Covid-19.

Hope we have a season to find out.
Transition year. Build off this year to be able to win big the following year and years beyond that.

All we need to see is growth and progress throughout the season. Just make the NCAA tournament to get them some experience that will pay off big for the future.

Although the conference is looking wide open this year, probably for ASU if they keep Christopher from the G league and return White, Martin.
I believed Martin already declared...

He can still return even if he signs with an agent under new rules.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:00 am

goslingswagg wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:I told you guys that the west coast recruiting class of 2020 was ridiculously difficult.

That is a big blow to the conference which has already struggled mightily in recruiting this year.
PAC is wiiiiiiide open next year...

Who is Oregon losing besides Pritchard?

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:23 am

fyi you can watch Tibet's full games by Youtubing "Turkey FIBA U18 European Championship 2019"

for example here is his game vs. France

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvnpup_CH0g" target="_blank

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:58 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
goslingswagg wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:I told you guys that the west coast recruiting class of 2020 was ridiculously difficult.

That is a big blow to the conference which has already struggled mightily in recruiting this year.
PAC is wiiiiiiide open next year...
Who is Oregon losing besides Pritchard?

This is an older tweet and I haven't followed up on it.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:00 pm

Did he commit?

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:15 pm

azgreg wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
goslingswagg wrote:
gronk4heisman wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:I told you guys that the west coast recruiting class of 2020 was ridiculously difficult.

That is a big blow to the conference which has already struggled mightily in recruiting this year.
PAC is wiiiiiiide open next year...
Who is Oregon losing besides Pritchard?
This is an older tweet and I haven't followed up on it.

Thanks, Greg. It would be surprising if *all* of Oregon's early entrants returned, but it's reasonable to expect one or two back.

As someone noted upthread, Pac is wide open next season. Unless ASU gets everyone back.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:26 pm

Postmaster wrote:Did he commit?

???

IndianaZonaFan · Post by **IndianaZonaFan** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:03 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Postmaster wrote:Did he commit?
???

???

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:53 pm

The Turkish guy?
Tibet.
Alieberman has him on the roster.
I didn’t know if he actually committed.

Batcho is the Frenchman, right?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:55 pm

Postmaster wrote:The Turkish guy?
Tibet.
Alieberman has him on the roster.
I didn’t know if he actually committed.

Batcho is the Frenchman, right?

Yes and yes.

Along with an Estonian (Kriisa) and a Mexican (Mathuran)!

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:12 pm

Merkin wrote:
Postmaster wrote:The Turkish guy?
Tibet.
Alieberman has him on the roster.
I didn’t know if he actually committed.

Batcho is the Frenchman, right?
Yes and yes.

Along with an Estonian (Kriisa) and a Mexican (Mathuran)!

I think Mathrurin is Canadian but is currently playing in Mexico.

And Tibet is playing HS ball in California.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:22 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:
Merkin wrote:
Postmaster wrote:The Turkish guy?
Tibet.
Alieberman has him on the roster.
I didn’t know if he actually committed.

Batcho is the Frenchman, right?
Yes and yes.

Along with an Estonian (Kriisa) and a Mexican (Mathuran)!

I think Mathrurin is Canadian but is currently playing in Mexico.

And Tibet is playing HS ball in California.

Thanks, I stand corrected.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:01 pm

Alieberman wrote:1. I. Lee
2. J. Baker
3. B. Williams
4. C. Koloko
5. J. Brown
6. T. Brown
7. J. Akinjo
8. D. Terry
9. B. Mathurin
10. K. Kriisa
11. D. Batcho
12. T Gorene
13. ???

Have no idea what to expect from this group. 3 of these guys got minutes for AZ last year.

Hope we have a season to find out.

Me too, because another cancelled season or even half-season starts to form a recruiting bottleneck in 2021.

As it stands, that roster is an assortment of Option A/Option B guys at every position.

I've posted it before, but this reminds me a lot of the '85-86 season under Lute, when younger players like Joe Turner, Kenny Lofton and Rolf Jacobs started exhibitions and early games only to give way to the Option Bs (John Edgar, Steve Kerr and yes, Sean Elliott and his freshman year knee injury) as circumstances took their toll.

That's what I think a lot of the "Arizona is cursed"/"the Cats have the worst luck" fans overlook--too many recruiting classes, especially with the OADs, had no other option, no program players to push the preferred recruits at those spots.

But what this roster makeup looks to present now are some default Option As and a lot of Option Bs on the table who could take over a position if they develop faster.

At the 1, for instance, we're all hoping Brandon Williams, best-case scenario, can start and take the majority of the minutes until Akinjo can arrive and get comfortable.

Jemarl Baker inherits the 2, but he could be pushed by Terrell Brown or Kriisa.

Dalen Terry looks to be the new blood at the 3, with Mathurin as insurance.

Ira has earned control of the 4 spot, but if he is not effective in more than limited minutes, that opens the door for Batcho or Gorene.

Jordan Brown is the heir apparent at the 5, but a sophomore Koloko could develop ahead of him.

That sort of competition was never an option at Mannion's or Green's spots. And the team looked frankly the worse for it when one or both of them had off nights.

BTW, IMHO that final schollie will go to Kory Jones for his final season, with Mains and Weyand forming the cohort of walk-ons to complete the 15-man traveling squad.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:18 pm

I wasn’t aware that Elliott had a knee injury his frosh season. He wore a brace, a heavy one at that, throughout high school after an injury well before his senior year.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:24 pm

zonagrad wrote:I wasn’t aware that Elliott had a knee injury his frosh season. He wore a brace, a heavy one at that, throughout high school after an injury well before his senior year.

I remember that, he said he wore although he didn't need it just for more confidence.

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:24 pm

zonagrad wrote:I wasn’t aware that Elliott had a knee injury his frosh season. He wore a brace, a heavy one at that, throughout high school after an injury well before his senior year.

There were some questions about the extent of the injury the non-conference portion of his freshman year and how much he actually needed the brace.

He played one game, against San Diego State, without it in 1985. Scored 32 points. There weren't any concerns in the program about the knee after that.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:31 pm

zonagrad wrote:I wasn’t aware that Elliott had a knee injury his frosh season. He wore a brace, a heavy one at that, throughout high school after an injury well before his senior year.

I thought he injured his knee in high school, actually playing soccer.

I also think I heard all the painkillers he took is what caused his kidneys to fail and required the transplant.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:19 pm

UAEebs86 wrote:
Merkin wrote:
Postmaster wrote:The Turkish guy?
Tibet.
Alieberman has him on the roster.
I didn’t know if he actually committed.

Batcho is the Frenchman, right?
Yes and yes.

Along with an Estonian (Kriisa) and a Mexican (Mathuran)!

I think Mathrurin is Canadian but is currently playing in Mexico.

And Tibet is playing HS ball in California.

I thought Tibet was in China.

But seriously, I knew about the other dudes. Must have missed Tibet’s commit.

Hopefully we have better outcome with Mathuran than prior Canadians.

NickyBCats · Post by **NickyBCats** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:56 pm

I think Mathurin is an absolute stud! Excited for him!

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 6:29 pm

I'm just happy to be done with OADs for one year. Losing three in one year might be business as usual for Kentucky and Duke since they just load up with five more McDsAAs. We don't have the ability to do that year after year, which is fine. Neither does Villanova. Neither does Gonzaga.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:40 pm

Robbins said campus will be open in August.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:51 pm

Postmaster wrote:Robbins said campus will be open in August.

I have 0 confidence that they are doing what is actually necessary, not what is superficially necessary, to properly reopen the campus.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:05 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
Postmaster wrote:Robbins said campus will be open in August.
I have 0 confidence that they are doing what is actually necessary, not what is superficially necessary, to properly reopen the campus.

Why, what needs to be done that you think wont be done

You always come here spitting out negativity but never back it up.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:07 pm

Orange Lutheran - hes a year away, imo

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:15 pm

97cats wrote:Orange Lutheran - hes a year away, imo

Nothing wrong with that. Get him in the weight room and taking several hundred jumpers per day.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:35 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
Postmaster wrote:Robbins said campus will be open in August.
I have 0 confidence that they are doing what is actually necessary, not what is superficially necessary, to properly reopen the campus.

Why? If you don't trust the preparations of a major public university, what entity do you trust to be doing what is actually necessary to open in August?

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:57 pm

Go Cats!

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:02 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
Postmaster wrote:Robbins said campus will be open in August.
I have 0 confidence that they are doing what is actually necessary, not what is superficially necessary, to properly reopen the campus.

Unless I am misinformed, there is no vaccine and no good treatment for CV-19.

Unless a miracle happens, why would not the second wave of CV-19 repeat itself like what happened with the Spanish Flu Epidemic of 1918?

Is Robbins just hoping that it will go away by itself?

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:05 pm

Go Cats!

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:09 pm

One of the things that's driving creativity in preparing for things like a 2020 college basketball season and other sports is the recognition that time is limited and we can't just hide, whatever the challenges are. Some entities are built for adaptation and helping solve enormous problems for the people they serve. U of A has no political party affiliation.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:29 pm

Steve K might disagree with you, Longhorn.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:43 pm

Postmaster wrote:Steve K might disagree with you, Longhorn.

We haven't talked in 31 years, so I don't know.

"Hey, be careful there," he said. "Are you with anybody sober?"

"I krempt off and wunded, 'Waff!'" I replied.

"What?" He said.

So I can neither confirm nor deny your assertion.

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:52 pm

I saw what Robbins said on the news, and I noticed he added (paraphrasing here) "Come June we might have to forget it, but for now we're planning to reopen in August."

So it sounds like he's planning for the best case scenario, but appears to be open-minded enough to know it might not happen. Since he is a medical doctor, I'm hoping he'll make the right decision in the end.

BeardownZonaZona · Post by **BeardownZonaZona** » Fri May 01, 2020 8:41 am

Another big man transfer has entered the transfer portal. His name is Olivier Saar and is a 7fter. Averaged about 14 and 9 at wake forest. I wonder if we pursue him. Would be a nice addition for our last roster spot

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri May 01, 2020 8:45 am

BeardownZonaZona wrote:Another big man transfer has entered the transfer portal. His name is Olivier Saar and is a 7fter. Averaged about 14 and 9 at wake forest. I wonder if we pursue him. Would be a nice addition for our last roster spot

He’ll go to Kentucky or Vanderbilt if I had to guess.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri May 01, 2020 8:54 am

BeardownZonaZona wrote:Another big man transfer has entered the transfer portal. His name is Olivier Saar and is a 7fter. Averaged about 14 and 9 at wake forest. I wonder if we pursue him. Would be a nice addition for our last roster spot

We won't.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Fri May 01, 2020 8:57 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
BeardownZonaZona wrote:Another big man transfer has entered the transfer portal. His name is Olivier Saar and is a 7fter. Averaged about 14 and 9 at wake forest. I wonder if we pursue him. Would be a nice addition for our last roster spot
We won't.

Is it because he’d have to sit out a year, Choo? Are we looking for someone who can play immediately?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri May 01, 2020 9:35 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
BeardownZonaZona wrote:Another big man transfer has entered the transfer portal. His name is Olivier Saar and is a 7fter. Averaged about 14 and 9 at wake forest. I wonder if we pursue him. Would be a nice addition for our last roster spot
We won't.
Is it because he’d have to sit out a year, Choo? Are we looking for someone who can play immediately?

We've got our eyes on one other guy and if he says no then we probably hold on to the remaining scholarship for 2021.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri May 01, 2020 9:51 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
BeardownZonaZona wrote:Another big man transfer has entered the transfer portal. His name is Olivier Saar and is a 7fter. Averaged about 14 and 9 at wake forest. I wonder if we pursue him. Would be a nice addition for our last roster spot
We won't.
Is it because he’d have to sit out a year, Choo? Are we looking for someone who can play immediately?
We've got our eyes on one other guy and if he says no then we probably hold on to the remaining scholarship for 2021.

Is it the Euro or someone else?

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